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"Beware the Welsh team in turmoil. I can just see the headlines already. England should have far too much class but it’s wales… away, with a huge point to prove for every Welsh player and supporter. What could possibly go wrong " But bad teams in peril don’t just get better overnight … if England start quickly.. that place will turn sharpish | |||
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"Beware the Welsh team in turmoil. I can just see the headlines already. England should have far too much class but it’s wales… away, with a huge point to prove for every Welsh player and supporter. What could possibly go wrong But bad teams in peril don’t just get better overnight … if England start quickly.. that place will turn sharpish " Still, I’ll save my crowing for the last 20 minutes… I’ve never been one for taking games for granted. Let’s hope for three competitive games and some great atmospheres | |||
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"It's so good seeing Italy really competing, after years of people saying they should be relegated from the competition. I know Ireland are finally getting control but given they're the best team in the world, Italy have done really well. And some cracking bits of open play! G" I would argue that Italy had the best autumn series of any of the northern hemisphere teams and they have brought it into the 6 nations….. if I was Italian I would be disappointed if I didn’t beat wales… and you could see them running Scotland close! | |||
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"It's so good seeing Italy really competing, after years of people saying they should be relegated from the competition. I know Ireland are finally getting control but given they're the best team in the world, Italy have done really well. And some cracking bits of open play! G I would argue that Italy had the best autumn series of any of the northern hemisphere teams and they have brought it into the 6 nations….. if I was Italian I would be disappointed if I didn’t beat wales… and you could see them running Scotland close! " Completely agree! Fingers crossed! | |||
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"Great match. England should have scored at least 15 more points!" No way we could have scored 15 more points based on that performance, still a long way to go for both sides.. | |||
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"Happy to crow now but that was a close call. Game still well and truly alive right up until around 75 mins! Great to see Courtney lawes back in an England shirt " Yep we were only one silly mistake away from losing it. Great match | |||
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"Great match. England should have scored at least 15 more points! No way we could have scored 15 more points based on that performance, still a long way to go for both sides.. " I'm not sure I agree, there were certainly missed opportunities. There were 10 points missed from the Tee. | |||
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"Great match. England should have scored at least 15 more points! No way we could have scored 15 more points based on that performance, still a long way to go for both sides.. I'm not sure I agree, there were certainly missed opportunities. There were 10 points missed from the Tee." That's because Farrel is not the best kicker, very inconsistent. We gave away less penalties but we shouldn't be missing those opportunities, we played well for moments, but certainly not in the 2nd half. We are definitely going in the right direction under Borthwick, but nowhere near yet... | |||
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"Great match. England should have scored at least 15 more points! No way we could have scored 15 more points based on that performance, still a long way to go for both sides.. I'm not sure I agree, there were certainly missed opportunities. There were 10 points missed from the Tee. That's because Farrel is not the best kicker, very inconsistent. We gave away less penalties but we shouldn't be missing those opportunities, we played well for moments, but certainly not in the 2nd half. We are definitely going in the right direction under Borthwick, but nowhere near yet..." I agree. I think that Borthwick will be good for the team and I like the idea that he is promoting "playing what's in front of you" rather than Eddie's "follow the game plan at all costs" mentality. Unfortunately though, I don't think that we're in the same class as Ireland or France at the moment... but there's great potential for being in form the World Cup. Cal | |||
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"Great match. England should have scored at least 15 more points! No way we could have scored 15 more points based on that performance, still a long way to go for both sides.. " | |||
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"Great match. England should have scored at least 15 more points! No way we could have scored 15 more points based on that performance, still a long way to go for both sides.. I'm not sure I agree, there were certainly missed opportunities. There were 10 points missed from the Tee. That's because Farrel is not the best kicker, very inconsistent. We gave away less penalties but we shouldn't be missing those opportunities, we played well for moments, but certainly not in the 2nd half. We are definitely going in the right direction under Borthwick, but nowhere near yet..." I've never really been a massive Farrel fan. He is undoubtedly a great player, but he can sometimes be a bit hot headed and takes too much on for himself. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice as captain. Cal | |||
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"Was expecting an Irish slip up today. Not totally great performance but got the job done. Thought Italy played like they did against France in first match, very well. " Yes, I think that Italy have certainly taken a big step forward this year. | |||
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"Well this Italian team gave France a scare for 70 minutes … let’s see if they can hang with Ireland for the next 20" Hmmmmm.......back when I was at school, and started playing the game, 70 + 20 = 90??? | |||
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"Well this Italian team gave France a scare for 70 minutes … let’s see if they can hang with Ireland for the next 20 Hmmmmm.......back when I was at school, and started playing the game, 70 + 20 = 90??? " 2017 - “Six Nations game lasts almost 100 minutes after astonishing last play” | |||
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"Well this Italian team gave France a scare for 70 minutes … let’s see if they can hang with Ireland for the next 20 Hmmmmm.......back when I was at school, and started playing the game, 70 + 20 = 90??? 2017 - “Six Nations game lasts almost 100 minutes after astonishing last play” " I remember it well, was in Dublin for England just having to turn up to take the Grand Slam.....shame nobody bothered to agree that with the Irish! Wayne Barnes, France v Wales from recollection. Kick off in Dublin delayed until the final whistle had been blown.....had to have another couple of beers whilst we waited | |||
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"Great match. England should have scored at least 15 more points! No way we could have scored 15 more points based on that performance, still a long way to go for both sides.. I'm not sure I agree, there were certainly missed opportunities. There were 10 points missed from the Tee. That's because Farrel is not the best kicker, very inconsistent. We gave away less penalties but we shouldn't be missing those opportunities, we played well for moments, but certainly not in the 2nd half. We are definitely going in the right direction under Borthwick, but nowhere near yet..." That's what I meant. He missed 4 kicks, and I reckon they missed at least 1 pretty good try-scoring opportunity. Wales were pretty mediocre and we were less mediocre! | |||
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"Great match. England should have scored at least 15 more points! No way we could have scored 15 more points based on that performance, still a long way to go for both sides.. I'm not sure I agree, there were certainly missed opportunities. There were 10 points missed from the Tee. That's because Farrel is not the best kicker, very inconsistent. We gave away less penalties but we shouldn't be missing those opportunities, we played well for moments, but certainly not in the 2nd half. We are definitely going in the right direction under Borthwick, but nowhere near yet... I've never really been a massive Farrel fan. He is undoubtedly a great player, but he can sometimes be a bit hot headed and takes too much on for himself. He certainly wouldn't be my first choice as captain. Cal" The problem with Farrell is that he is a good 10 or a good 12…. But not world class in either position I don’t see why itoje isn’t the captain because he is about the only nailed on starter they have…. | |||
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"Well this Italian team gave France a scare for 70 minutes … let’s see if they can hang with Ireland for the next 20 Hmmmmm.......back when I was at school, and started playing the game, 70 + 20 = 90??? " That’s not fair.. I wrote that at minute 60!! But yes… I think we could say that Italy gave both France and Ireland a proper game for 70 minutes! | |||
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"Game of the tournament coming up now I reckon. Come on Scotland! Be great if you could break your six nations duck with a grand slam " Scotland has won the tournament before | |||
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"Game of the tournament coming up now I reckon. Come on Scotland! Be great if you could break your six nations duck with a grand slam Scotland has won the tournament before " Not the six nations… | |||
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"Straight red.. This may well be a trouncing now.." I eat my words.. | |||
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"Great game and both teams going for it ." Agreed.. | |||
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"Hopefully Italy will beat the Welsh again like last year. " Unlucky | |||
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"I think we can call that a complete trouncing " A well deserved win for France, England have just been dismal today. They've a lot to improve on before the Ireland game if they don't want a similar result. On the other hand, there's plenty of time to improve before the world Cup, and I'm sure they'll be a different side come September. The "fans" walking out with 10 minutes to go should be ashamed of themselves. Cal | |||
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"England had a proper dicking.....good to see." With a mixed Welsh-English family I try not to gloat at times like this, but it is satisfying to silence the ‘swing low…’ at RFU HQ. Feel for the players though. Very happy for the Sheriff today - that man’s been carrying a heavy load the last few weeks. | |||
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"I think we can call that a complete trouncing A well deserved win for France, England have just been dismal today. They've a lot to improve on before the Ireland game if they don't want a similar result. On the other hand, there's plenty of time to improve before the world Cup, and I'm sure they'll be a different side come September. The "fans" walking out with 10 minutes to go should be ashamed of themselves. Cal" Totally agree. Irish fans did the same thing 4 years in Dublin, doesn't make it right in any way though (not real fans, they'd have stayed and applauded the winners)! | |||
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"I think we can call that a complete trouncing A well deserved win for France, England have just been dismal today. They've a lot to improve on before the Ireland game if they don't want a similar result. On the other hand, there's plenty of time to improve before the world Cup, and I'm sure they'll be a different side come September. The "fans" walking out with 10 minutes to go should be ashamed of themselves. Cal Totally agree. Irish fans did the same thing 4 years in Dublin, doesn't make it right in any way though (not real fans, they'd have stayed and applauded the winnes)! " So true | |||
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"I think we can call that a complete trouncing A well deserved win for France, England have just been dismal today. They've a lot to improve on before the Ireland game if they don't want a similar result. On the other hand, there's plenty of time to improve before the world Cup, and I'm sure they'll be a different side come September. The "fans" walking out with 10 minutes to go should be ashamed of themselves. Cal" Stay and take the pain, look at the players and let them know the punters aren't happy.. | |||
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"England played rubbish too slow off the starting block France were awesome, well played France, I'm guessing Ireland v France final " I'm guessing that too | |||
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"England played rubbish too slow off the starting block France were awesome, well played France, I'm guessing Ireland v France final I'm guessing that too " See we are civilised fans lol | |||
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"England played rubbish too slow off the starting block France were awesome, well played France, I'm guessing Ireland v France final " It could be…. But France have New Zealand in their group… and Ireland have South Africa in theirs If they both win their groups… or come 2nd.. they will avoid each other till the final If one comes first and the other comes second in their groups.. it will be a quarter final clash! Weirdly enough because of when the draw was.. England have the easiest route to the semi final… win their group (which has Argentina and Japan in it) and their quarter final would likely be the loser of the Australia vs Wales game! (Although Georgia and Fiji might give wales a game in their group) | |||
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"England played rubbish too slow off the starting block France were awesome, well played France, I'm guessing Ireland v France final It could be…. But France have New Zealand in their group… and Ireland have South Africa in theirs If they both win their groups… or come 2nd.. they will avoid each other till the final If one comes first and the other comes second in their groups.. it will be a quarter final clash! Weirdly enough because of when the draw was.. England have the easiest route to the semi final… win their group (which has Argentina and Japan in it) and their quarter final would likely be the loser of the Australia vs Wales game! (Although Georgia and Fiji might give wales a game in their group) " I genuinely wouldn't fancy England's chances against Argentina currently. But regardless, and said as a huge Emgland fan, France were irresistible today! I can't think of the last time they looked that good (there was a France All Blacks game I think?) G | |||
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" But regardless, and said as a huge Emgland fan, France were irresistible today! I can't think of the last time they looked that good (there was a France All Blacks game I think?) G" Last time I saw a french team look that good… the under 20’s game against England last night! Which is scary for the amount of talent, and the fact the french could dominate the English for the next 5 years at least | |||
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"aye France were good but England need young blood in the team and give them a few years to bond but it's Scotland v ireland tomorrow and come on ireland!!" Got to be World Cup favourites right? | |||
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"We're talking 6 nations here? " Obviously not when the talk turns to "Finals" as the 6 Nations doesn't have one. | |||
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"aye France were good but England need young blood in the team and give them a few years to bond but it's Scotland v ireland tomorrow and come on ireland!! Got to be World Cup favourites right?" I personally find it hard to discount Australia, New Zealand or South Africa when it comes to the world cup. Six months is a long time in sport and more than enough for a team to regain their form... I'd expect England to be in the mix too. Cal | |||
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"Ey ore, ey ore its dombrandt the donkey… Never an international no 8. I’m singling him out but the whole pack were shite. Absolutely love the French performance today. Men against donkeys. That back five of forwards has to be the best combination in the world currently when they play like that. Alldritt was just immense!" Agree with all of that! Dombrandt, at Quins fine, but then he's got Care there... JVP seems to be turning into Youngs Mk 2! I'd rather Willis had stayed on and Ludlum gone to 8. Itoje needs to go back to his club, done nothing for ages. Unless Slade was injured, can't help feeling he was made a scapegoat to get Farrell on! Can't take anything away from the French.....awesome performance. What's the odds on Ireland handing us an even bigger defeat? | |||
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"Ireland win to set a st Patrick’s weekend tonking of the English in Dublin for the Grand slam! " I think we should call it “The trouncing, Take 2” | |||
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"The ref got that one wrong…how can someone set early if the scrum is uncontested? … also watching a non no.2 (can’t say hook er) throwing in is a delight! " Scrums are still contested. Ireland really stepped up now | |||
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"Ireland win to set a st Patrick’s weekend tonking of the English in Dublin for the Grand slam! " Still have to beat Scotland ( which looks likely ) but still the fear of The bloody English team turning it around | |||
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"The ref got that one wrong…how can someone set early if the scrum is uncontested? … also watching a non no.2 (can’t say hook er) throwing in is a delight! Scrums are still contested. Ireland really stepped up now" Didn’t realise cian Healy was playing 2 in the scrum | |||
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"First observation….. can Scotland never play in this purple again!! It looks horrible " I quite like it Scotland to win by 7 points France to win by at least 20 Ireland to win by 10 (hopefully we won’t get trounced again) | |||
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"First observation….. can Scotland never play in this purple again!! It looks horrible " Totally agree, hurts my eyes | |||
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"First observation….. can Scotland never play in this purple again!! It looks horrible I quite like it Scotland to win by 7 points France to win by at least 20 Ireland to win by 10 (hopefully we won’t get trounced again) " If we only lose by 10 I'll be amazed, and take it with both hands. Can't see it somehow though | |||
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"First observation….. can Scotland never play in this purple again!! It looks horrible " it's brutal and so is the game | |||
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"Johnnys last 6 nation game against the team most hated to win their first grand slam at home…. By 10……. Ireland will have the bonus points within the first half hour!!!! " Most hated team ohh Jeebus | |||
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"First observation….. can Scotland never play in this purple again!! It looks horrible it's brutal and so is the game" Can't disagree but absolute fair play to Italy... pretty sure for entertainment and giving it their all, they could teach England a thing or two ! | |||
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"First observation….. can Scotland never play in this purple again!! It looks horrible it's brutal and so is the game Can't disagree but absolute fair play to Italy... pretty sure for entertainment and giving it their all, they could teach England a thing or two !" Scotland v Italy is usually a brutal game as its normally the wooden spoon decider | |||
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"Ohhh what a finish for Scotland, honestly for the last 5 mins I thought Italy were going to do it. Great first game of the day " Great finish well done Scotland | |||
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"It would have been nice to have seen Italy win, but they just couldn't finish. Well done to Scotland, they've had a good tournament. I believe they're guaranteed a (deserved) third play finish above England. Cal" Surmised pretty well I think | |||
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"The French will probably surrender before it's over" I’m not so sure about that | |||
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"The French will probably surrender before it's over I’m not so sure about that " Neither am I | |||
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"here we go !!" You know it’s your right | |||
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"we are playing so bad here and if England had 15 players we would be behind . " Honestly if we had 15 on I recon the scores would be slightly different, it’s probably the best we’ve played all tournament | |||
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"we are playing so bad here and if England had 15 players we would be behind . Honestly if we had 15 on I recon the scores would be slightly different, it’s probably the best we’ve played all tournament " Would not matter we are playing 16 The air lift in the first half by Ireland was just a penalty WTF | |||
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"we are playing so bad here and if England had 15 players we would be behind . " Having a player off completely changes the dynamics of a game. I personally don’t think that Ireland are playing badly at all, just that England have done a great job of putting them under pressure. I do think that without the Red Card, the score would be very close. Ireland are still slightly the better, but England can certainly be proud of our performance | |||
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"we are playing so bad here and if England had 15 players we would be behind . " So was the RED justified. And was the air lift in the first half by Ireland a yellow not just a penalty looking at the one we have just seen | |||
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"Do feel sorry for Stewart getting the red at that point… but you have to play to the whistle and he didn’t and braced himself, whereas Keenan did I think jaco had some sympathy because the first words out of his mouth when sending him off were “in the current climate…….”" But there was also a high tackel on England but the REF did not see it and I guess the TMO did not high light it. | |||
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"That yellow was lucky not to be a red… he was no where near the ball so why are you lifting! " It was the clear-out from the ruck, the initial contact was simultaneous with the ball coming out so they wouldn't have been aware. To be fair though, the level of discipline was always going to drop with a player down, just because everyone is fighting that much harder. Cal | |||
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"Do feel sorry for Stewart getting the red at that point… but you have to play to the whistle and he didn’t and braced himself, whereas Keenan did I think jaco had some sympathy because the first words out of his mouth when sending him off were “in the current climate…….” But there was also a high tackel on England but the REF did not see it and I guess the TMO did not high light it. " If it was in the same sequence of play then foul play trumps everything else… TMO reviews everything in the background.. I thought there were some tackles by England players that could have been called neck rolls that were let go… | |||
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"we could say was all the hits on sexton justified?? red card yes but yellow I didn't think so . " Did you see the high tackle.. 10minits in to the second half against Ireland. Don't get me wrong I was hoping Ireland would do the grand slam but not like that | |||
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"None of it matters now. Well done Ireland, you’re the best in the world for a reason see you in France later in the year " I'm not sure that Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, will be a tougher challenge come the world Cup... as will France & even England. I'm really looking forward to it. Cal | |||
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"Do feel sorry for Stewart getting the red at that point… but you have to play to the whistle and he didn’t and braced himself, whereas Keenan did I think jaco had some sympathy because the first words out of his mouth when sending him off were “in the current climate…….” But there was also a high tackel on England but the REF did not see it and I guess the TMO did not high light it. If it was in the same sequence of play then foul play trumps everything else… TMO reviews everything in the background.. I thought there were some tackles by England players that could have been called neck rolls that were let go… " So what about the air lift and drop on the shoulder in the first half?? | |||
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"All that said Ierland where the best of the 6. Well done Ierland " Well done Ireland | |||
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"Worthy winners of the competition.. Well done Ireland.." Meant | |||
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"Well done England for a very tough game and they will be great again soon ." No they won't Farell is not top of the game England need a better 10 and possibly a better 9. 9 / 10 Control the game we don't really even have a grate 8 But time will tell. At least Farnell kicked better today he misted some poor kicks in the tournament. | |||
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"Steward got it wrong, tried to turn away, but failed. However, Keenan also chose to remain upright! I've long said that not enough consideration is given to the actions of the ball carrier. Always going to be a card, just not convinced about the colour. Hansen had his arms around Watson neck on the line before the second try, plus Van Der Fliers block as the ball went out leading to the try! No argument about the result, and Ireland deserved the GS for consistency throughout the tournament, but consistency from Peyper/Jonker was somewhat lacking tbf. From an England perspective, a much better performance finally. Congratulations Ireland. " Thank you you for also spoting the high tackel. What about the air tackle in the first half Ierland against England for me a Yellow | |||
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"Steward got it wrong, tried to turn away, but failed. However, Keenan also chose to remain upright! I've long said that not enough consideration is given to the actions of the ball carrier. Always going to be a card, just not convinced about the colour. Hansen had his arms around Watson neck on the line before the second try, plus Van Der Fliers block as the ball went out leading to the try! No argument about the result, and Ireland deserved the GS for consistency throughout the tournament, but consistency from Peyper/Jonker was somewhat lacking tbf. From an England perspective, a much better performance finally. Congratulations Ireland. Thank you you for also spoting the high tackel. What about the air tackle in the first half Ierland against England for me a Yellow " As I said, some consistency from the officials would have been nice. Peyper was fine for the first 30 mins, but then Jonker started in his ear. At least twice before Steward's card he called Peyper's attention to actions (by England) that were then proven to be nothing! | |||
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"Well done England for a very tough game and they will be great again soon ." Well done Ireland, you have had a fantastic six nations and well deserved. England, well a lot to do tbh but a good performance today. Hope you had a great St Patrick's day!! My mum was from Cork so when England play Ireland I'm so 50/50 lol. Well done the fighting Irish!! | |||
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"Congratulations Ireland " Cheers Jizzy | |||
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"So he had time to turn instead of actually bending and at least attempt to rap … Has anyone actually played at a serious level here , he knew exactly what he was doing , I get the protection bit , but he’s twice the size of Keenan .. no arguing " It’s the forum on fabswingers, the majority of people have never left their bedroom let alone actually pulled on boots! | |||
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"So he had time to turn instead of actually bending and at least attempt to rap … Has anyone actually played at a serious level here , he knew exactly what he was doing , I get the protection bit , but he’s twice the size of Keenan .. no arguing " Yes. Played at a fairly decent level in the same team as Steve Thompson and Ben Cohen. But does that really matter? Does that mean that if anyone hasn’t played at top level that they’re too stupid to have a correct opinion? That was an accidental collision that he couldn’t do anything about. Red card my arse. If Steward had meant it he would have bent into the challenge, leading with his shoulder. He almost turns his backside into it in anticipation of being taken out. Add to the fact that his momentum had slowed enough to knock him over and it’s common sense. Much more the fault of the other player for not being in complete control of his movements. If he’d done the exact same thing in front of the posts and clattered into the upright, would you be making the same ridiculous claim?? Safety I agree with. But accidents will happen. That doesn’t mean a red card should take away from Ireland only having to beat 14 men for a grand slam which just takes the edge off the whole thing for me. | |||
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