FabSwingers.com forum: 15 minute cities

By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Not sure if this has been asked before - if so, I would welcome if somebody could signpost me to the relevant thread.

Who has heard about this because I have not seen it on the News but when a friend told me about it I googled it and was rather surprised.

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By *ack688Man
over a year ago

abruzzo Italy (and UK)

I need to look this up now

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By *r SproutMan
over a year ago

the middle

Apparently it’s already a thing in China.

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

Is this the design thing where everything (work, medical and education services etc.) are all within fifteen minutes travel of a residential area?

LvM

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By *ornycougaWoman
over a year ago

NORWAY Wherever I lay my hat

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/1392258

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I hadn't heard of it before this thread. However, on looking it up , I have not only heard of it, I have lived it.

Welcome to way life used to be!

Life pre supermarket, pre colossal secondary schools and un navigable hospitals which are cities within cities.

Everything was local in my time.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

I will continue to see my few remaining years out in the same village I have lived in for the past 40 years.

I can see some value in the 15 minute Cities but think it would be hard to implement in most of the U.K. cities.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I gather that the opposition to this is so overwhelming that conspiracy theorists and nutters are being bussed in to protest.

Meanwhile surveys of locals seem to indicate they're somewhere between indifferent and happy about it.

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

Seems like a good idea but I feel like it would be seriously difficult to implement in existing cities considering they're already so densely arranged.

LvM

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

"Is this the design thing where everything (work, medical and education services etc.) are all within fifteen minutes travel of a residential area?

LvM"

So the average town/village pre 70/80’s then?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Seems like a good idea but I feel like it would be seriously difficult to implement in existing cities considering they're already so densely arranged.

LvM"

I think it's a laudable thing to aim for, personally. Even if it's not possible, getting closer is still an improvement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I give it quarter of an hour before Brucey starts a thread called "15 minute titties".

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Staff working for local government in Oxford are also reporting abuse over it, which is revolting.

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

The reason I am bringing this up on here: A colleague told me about it during a work conversation this morning as apparently Solihull will be rolling it out. There are many other cities that consider it right now and my concern is why we are not hearing about this in the news? If you google it there is plenty of material under this title or the "20 minute neighbourhood" scheme.

Not a conspiracy follower but curious why this is not more widely known/ made known!

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Staff working for local government in Oxford are also reporting abuse over it, which is revolting."
Yep, my colleague also told me this.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"The reason I am bringing this up on here: A colleague told me about it during a work conversation this morning as apparently Solihull will be rolling it out. There are many other cities that consider it right now and my concern is why we are not hearing about this in the news? If you google it there is plenty of material under this title or the "20 minute neighbourhood" scheme.

Not a conspiracy follower but curious why this is not more widely known/ made known!"

What's in the news is largely a function of what the businesses that own the news decide to share

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Oxford has been hijacked by a bunch of lunatics like Piers Corbyn and Laurence Fox who seem to believe that this is part of a dystopia future of climate change lockdowns and conspiracy theorists are convinced it is part of the 'great reset'. Obviously if asked what the great reset is they can't explain and go fir a derisory 'do your own research' but i digress.

The reality is far more sensible and seems to want to promote sustainable transport and a move away from car reliability while improving local amenities.

Not sure why people are so angry about that

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Not a conspiracy follower but curious why this is not more widely known/ made known!

What's in the news is largely a function of what the businesses that own the news decide to share"

Perhaps we should be concerned....

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

Ah, I stopped reading when I see conspiracy theorists are against it, so I know it must be a good idea.

I think I live in a 15 Minute bit of this great city already...

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Oxford has been hijacked by a bunch of lunatics like Piers Corbyn and Laurence Fox who seem to believe that this is part of a dystopia future of climate change lockdowns and conspiracy theorists are convinced it is part of the 'great reset'. Obviously if asked what the great reset is they can't explain and go fir a derisory 'do your own research' but i digress.

The reality is far more sensible and seems to want to promote sustainable transport and a move away from car reliability while improving local amenities.

Not sure why people are so angry about that"

I am not angry about it at the moment - really just concerned that this seems to be going on without people being informed. I get the principle idea of sharing resources and reducing impact on environments etc but there should be a degree of informing the public and in some cases seeking consultation?

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

But on the serious point, how can it be a bad idea to make sure amenities are close to people.

The conspiracy bit, as far as I can tell, is that you would then be forced to remain within your 15 minute zone somehow, which is patently ridiculous.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"But on the serious point, how can it be a bad idea to make sure amenities are close to people.

The conspiracy bit, as far as I can tell, is that you would then be forced to remain within your 15 minute zone somehow, which is patently ridiculous."

Especially as the area I live in has a huge imbalance of teachers it seems..... so all the schools would have to be here.

Further up the coast are very many doctors.......... do they all have to work in the one hospital ?

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Ah, I stopped reading when I see conspiracy theorists are against it, so I know it must be a good idea.

I think I live in a 15 Minute bit of this great city already..."
Does this not constitute a somewhat binary view of the world, if conspiracists are against it, it is not worth reading?

I try to read not just within my own echo chamber (I am as I said NOT a conspiracist) because I want to be informed as widely and objectively as possible and dismissing something without reading it to me makes no sense if I want to get closer to the truth.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Not a conspiracy follower but curious why this is not more widely known/ made known!

What's in the news is largely a function of what the businesses that own the news decide to share

Perhaps we should be concerned....

I dislike the way the news seems to be about corporate interests rather than what's newsworthy, but I'm not sure that makes this inherently concerning.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Ah, I stopped reading when I see conspiracy theorists are against it, so I know it must be a good idea.

I think I live in a 15 Minute bit of this great city already... Does this not constitute a somewhat binary view of the world, if conspiracists are against it, it is not worth reading?

When I first heard about this I went to the relevant council website (it was Oxford, as it happens) and read some of the documents about it. (I'd probably have read all of them if it were relevant to me. I read enough to satisfy my curiosity)

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"But on the serious point, how can it be a bad idea to make sure amenities are close to people.

The conspiracy bit, as far as I can tell, is that you would then be forced to remain within your 15 minute zone somehow, which is patently ridiculous."

That's clearly where the chips implanted in the vaccine come into play, you go outside your zone and 'they' watch you just in case your up to something..

Op, only heard of this in Oxford and that's mainly because as stated above the angry usual types are seeing stuff that isn't there ..

Local consultation by councils never ses to be that efficient in my previous experience, more akin to tick that box and onto the next part ..

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Ah, I stopped reading when I see conspiracy theorists are against it, so I know it must be a good idea.

I think I live in a 15 Minute bit of this great city already... Does this not constitute a somewhat binary view of the world, if conspiracists are against it, it is not worth reading?

Yeah, probably. I was being tongue in cheek. That said, while I'm all for balance, not all views are created equal.

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Ah, I stopped reading when I see conspiracy theorists are against it, so I know it must be a good idea.

I think I live in a 15 Minute bit of this great city already... Does this not constitute a somewhat binary view of the world, if conspiracists are against it, it is not worth reading?

Yeah, probably. I was being tongue in cheek. That said, while I'm all for balance, not all views are created equal."

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"But on the serious point, how can it be a bad idea to make sure amenities are close to people.

The conspiracy bit, as far as I can tell, is that you would then be forced to remain within your 15 minute zone somehow, which is patently ridiculous.

That's clearly where the chips implanted in the vaccine come into play, you go outside your zone and 'they' watch you just in case your up to something..

Op, only heard of this in Oxford and that's mainly because as stated above the angry usual types are seeing stuff that isn't there ..

Local consultation by councils never ses to be that efficient in my previous experience, more akin to tick that box and onto the next part .."

Yeah, it'll be just like the Hunger Games soon.

Wake up Sheeple!

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"But on the serious point, how can it be a bad idea to make sure amenities are close to people.

The conspiracy bit, as far as I can tell, is that you would then be forced to remain within your 15 minute zone somehow, which is patently ridiculous.

That's clearly where the chips implanted in the vaccine come into play, you go outside your zone and 'they' watch you just in case your up to something..

Op, only heard of this in Oxford and that's mainly because as stated above the angry usual types are seeing stuff that isn't there ..

Local consultation by councils never ses to be that efficient in my previous experience, more akin to tick that box and onto the next part .."

I heard about Solihull and Oxford - I cast my field a little wider and apparently they are talking about it in Germany for example, too, so not just a UK discussion.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Well I have given this issue deep and serious thought ......

We all have to move before it comes into play. Move or retrain. I want to live in an area full of doctors. nurses, bread shops and open air free gyms........

Where are all the poor drug dealers going to go ? This is a shambles! Do they walk for 15 minutes or is everyone allowed to walk to them ? God help the ice cream man with such a short round.....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"But on the serious point, how can it be a bad idea to make sure amenities are close to people.

The conspiracy bit, as far as I can tell, is that you would then be forced to remain within your 15 minute zone somehow, which is patently ridiculous.

That's clearly where the chips implanted in the vaccine come into play, you go outside your zone and 'they' watch you just in case your up to something..

Op, only heard of this in Oxford and that's mainly because as stated above the angry usual types are seeing stuff that isn't there ..

Local consultation by councils never ses to be that efficient in my previous experience, more akin to tick that box and onto the next part ..

I heard about Solihull and Oxford - I cast my field a little wider and apparently they are talking about it in Germany for example, too, so not just a UK discussion.

There's many good ideas already working in suburban areas in Europe, local services etc and cutting down on commuting looks positive from several aspects..

Now, Milton Keynes

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Well I have given this issue deep and serious thought ......

We all have to move before it comes into play. Move or retrain. I want to live in an area full of doctors. nurses, bread shops and open air free gyms........

Where are all the poor drug dealers going to go ? This is a shambles! Do they walk for 15 minutes or is everyone allowed to walk to them ? God help the ice cream man with such a short round..... "

Delivery drones?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

A 15 minute walk or cycle is all well and good for young fit & healthy people on a nice warm day.

Most of these utopia style ideas never show pictures of real humans getting about in real weather.

Restricted movement will be a thing if you’d prefer to use your car, which is more likely the real agenda here.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

I already live this way.

Primary school

Secondary school

Town centre shops

Supermarket

Health centre

and my work, all within 15 minutes by car.

The county hospital I can do in 15 minutes,and have done, but it wasn’t legal

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By *rtyIanMan
over a year ago

Gateway to the Beacons

Just like BA in the A Team regarding planes

I AINT GOING TO NO CITY FOOL

P.S not read the article, don't read or watch the news so not got a clue what it is about

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I heard about it and it seems like it is another way of controlling people.

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"I already live this way.

Primary school

Secondary school

Town centre shops

Supermarket

Health centre

and my work, all within 15 minutes by car.

The county hospital I can do in 15 minutes,and have done, but it wasn’t legal

The principal is based on a 15min walk. Not a 15min drive.

It's about actually putting accessibility, sustainability, and community at the front when it comes to town planning.

I remember reading about how it's been done in (I think) a Scandinavian country with social housing.

It's about ensuring every home has a shops, a community centre, a doctor a dentist, school, decent public transport etc all in a walkable distance.

It builds community while reducing the reliance on private (or even public) transport.

The conspiracy theorists have decided this means you'll need to have a permit to leave your city.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I'll do whatever my microchip tells me to."

Who wrote this?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"I heard about it and it seems like it is another way of controlling people."

How Shag ? How would the people be controlled ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have read a bit about it. What about the towns, you wont jam us all in the cities. And, didnt we already used to have this, for example with hospitals we had at least four smaller hospitals all withn 15/20 mins before 'they' shut them and made us drag 50 mins to a city hospital in an emergency. There will have to be more building going on. In theory it sounds great and convenient, but dont go trying to take peoples cars off them, they wont like it.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

Guys. Girls. Calm down. It’s just a standard bit of urban planning theory. It’s an attempt to find ways to make our cities a bit nicer. There’s no hidden agenda. They’re trying to help.

Look around. Our town and city centres are fucked. Retail isn’t enough to base them on any more. Shops are failing left, right and centre. For the good of everybody, urban space needs rethinking with a more balanced mix of housing, shopping, culture, schools and green space. Let the urban planners do their jobs and figure out a better plan for all our futures.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I hadn't heard of it before this thread. However, on looking it up , I have not only heard of it, I have lived it.

Welcome to way life used to be!

Life pre supermarket, pre colossal secondary schools and un navigable hospitals which are cities within cities.

Everything was local in my time. "

I was about to type much the same thing.

This is how life was for the majority (unless they lived in very remote places) until about 1970

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

None of this is about taking people’s cars away. It’s about giving people nicer places to live and work.

If traffic is reduced, then great. That’s a nice side effect. But you don’t reduce traffic with bans and penalties (despite what done local councils seem to think). You reduce traffic by giving people other options. Like improved, affordable, public transport and walkable city centres.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm fortunate to be in a small town with everything within easy walking distance. Seems to be very sensible not to have to trek into city centres or to out of town shopping malls. I don't see an issue with controlling people.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

"I was about to type much the same thing.

This is how life was for the majority (unless they lived in very remote places) until about 1970"

Funny, isn’t it?

It’s almost as though late-stage capitalism has been a failed experiment that we now need to fix.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Guys. Girls. Calm down. It’s just a standard bit of urban planning theory. It’s an attempt to find ways to make our cities a bit nicer. There’s no hidden agenda. They’re trying to help.

Tell me more Jesus! Tell me more !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would love it, the shop at the end of my road is closed for a refurb and I am having palpitations about no easy access to a daily french stick!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I live in a small town in the centre everything is within 15 minutes walk from my house

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I heard about it and it seems like it is another way of controlling people."

Utter nonsense.

It's simply a town planning tool to reduce reliance on fossil fuel vehicles. The idea being that people should be able to shop, go to school, get medical care with a 15min walk/bike/public transport radius of their home. There's absolutely nothing about having to remain in your "zone", that's the conspiracy theorist bullshit.

Why would we need extra consultation on having amenities closer to where we live??

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I was about to type much the same thing.

This is how life was for the majority (unless they lived in very remote places) until about 1970

Funny, isn’t it?

It’s almost as though late-stage capitalism has been a failed experiment that we now need to fix.

it is

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Are people to be allowed out of the 15 minute zone?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm fortunate to be in a small town with everything within easy walking distance. Seems to be very sensible not to have to trek into city centres or to out of town shopping malls. "

Yes. 99% of what I need is within a 10 minute walk of where I live, and there's ample public transport at my door.

It's lovely. I wish more people had the option to live like this, and I think it's laudable to aim for.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

" I'll do whatever my microchip tells me to.

Who wrote this? "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhEUBgu9j5Y

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

"Are people to be allowed out of the 15 minute zone?"

There is no zone. And no restrictions on movement. It’s just about trying to make sure there are plenty of amenities near to everybody’s homes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm fortunate to be in a small town with everything within easy walking distance. Seems to be very sensible not to have to trek into city centres or to out of town shopping malls.

Yes. 99% of what I need is within a 10 minute walk of where I live, and there's ample public transport at my door.

It's lovely. I wish more people had the option to live like this, and I think it's laudable to aim for."

Yes and I think the move to wfh has made people use local shops and amenities much more and made them viable which is a good thing.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

It's amazing the things people can make into a conspiracy theory.

"oh there's going to be more amenities near my house? That must mean I'm not going to be allowed to travel anywhere!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nesnight did a piece on this. If any1 is concerned, I recommend watching that piece. Basically, 15 minutes cities got tangled up with a bunch of disinformation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Newsnight, I mean.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Are people to be allowed out of the 15 minute zone?

There is no zone. And no restrictions on movement. It’s just about trying to make sure there are plenty of amenities near to everybody’s homes."

Yes, my question was really aimed at making people think a bit about the control aspect that is worrying them.

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I already live this way.

Primary school

Secondary school

Town centre shops

Supermarket

Health centre

and my work, all within 15 minutes by car.

The county hospital I can do in 15 minutes,and have done, but it wasn’t legal

The principal is based on a 15min walk. Not a 15min drive.

It's about actually putting accessibility, sustainability, and community at the front when it comes to town planning.

I remember reading about how it's been done in (I think) a Scandinavian country with social housing.

It's about ensuring every home has a shops, a community centre, a doctor a dentist, school, decent public transport etc all in a walkable distance.

It builds community while reducing the reliance on private (or even public) transport.

The conspiracy theorists have decided this means you'll need to have a permit to leave your city. "

On the last point, I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I would love it, the shop at the end of my road is closed for a refurb and I am having palpitations about no easy access to a daily french stick! "

priceless

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Are people to be allowed out of the 15 minute zone?

There is no zone. And no restrictions on movement. It’s just about trying to make sure there are plenty of amenities near to everybody’s homes.

Yes, my question was really aimed at making people think a bit about the control aspect that is worrying them.

"
That was really behind my initial question, I was a bit concerned that I had not heard anything about it in the news, which usually give us plenty of irrelevant stuff! I think it is better to keep people informed and since the pandemic, there is more fear that lack of information and misinformation are on the increase.

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By *imeros and the NymphCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Reuters have released a fact check in Dec 22.

Google the following:

Reuters fact check oxford 15 minute city

We aren't going to be under some dystopian marshall law.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reuters have released a fact check in Dec 22.

Google the following:

Reuters fact check oxford 15 minute city

We aren't going to be under some dystopian marshall law....."

Also pls watch the Newsnight piece on 15 minute cities. It's short + easy to find on youtube. And it does a good job of showing how disinformation/conspiracy theories got tangled up with this.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"I already live this way.

Primary school

Secondary school

Town centre shops

Supermarket

Health centre

and my work, all within 15 minutes by car.

The county hospital I can do in 15 minutes,and have done, but it wasn’t legal

The principal is based on a 15min walk. Not a 15min drive.

It's about actually putting accessibility, sustainability, and community at the front when it comes to town planning.

I remember reading about how it's been done in (I think) a Scandinavian country with social housing.

It's about ensuring every home has a shops, a community centre, a doctor a dentist, school, decent public transport etc all in a walkable distance.

It builds community while reducing the reliance on private (or even public) transport.

The conspiracy theorists have decided this means you'll need to have a permit to leave your city. "

Ahh, right, I hadn’t noticed anyone mention the walk but, just the 15mins.

Walking wouldn’t work for me.

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I already live this way.

Primary school

Secondary school

Town centre shops

Supermarket

Health centre

and my work, all within 15 minutes by car.

The county hospital I can do in 15 minutes,and have done, but it wasn’t legal

The principal is based on a 15min walk. Not a 15min drive.

It's about actually putting accessibility, sustainability, and community at the front when it comes to town planning.

I remember reading about how it's been done in (I think) a Scandinavian country with social housing.

It's about ensuring every home has a shops, a community centre, a doctor a dentist, school, decent public transport etc all in a walkable distance.

It builds community while reducing the reliance on private (or even public) transport.

The conspiracy theorists have decided this means you'll need to have a permit to leave your city.

Ahh, right, I hadn’t noticed anyone mention the walk but, just the 15mins.

Walking wouldn’t work for me. "

I was just thinking also how it would work if you have a lot of family in different parts of the country or even abroad. What if you were to become a carer for a relative?

What about all the pleasurable non-local things like theatre, concert, sport event in a different city or, dare I say, attending a swingers event somewhere away? (The latter is tongue in cheek

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Someone’s making that nonsense up to scare people. God knows why. Best to ignore them.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

"I was just thinking also how it would work if you have a lot of family in different parts of the country or even abroad. What if you were to become a carer for a relative?

What about all the pleasurable non-local things like theatre, concert, sport event in a different city or, dare I say, attending a swingers event somewhere away? (The latter is tongue in cheek

Nobody is saying they’ll stop you going anywhere you want to. They’re just saying that if you live in an urban area it would be nice to have more stuff near your house.

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I was just thinking also how it would work if you have a lot of family in different parts of the country or even abroad. What if you were to become a carer for a relative?

What about all the pleasurable non-local things like theatre, concert, sport event in a different city or, dare I say, attending a swingers event somewhere away? (The latter is tongue in cheek

Nobody is saying they’ll stop you going anywhere you want to. They’re just saying that if you live in an urban area it would be nice to have more stuff near your house. "
And that is definitely a great idea for a host of reasons.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Are people to be allowed out of the 15 minute zone?

There is no zone. And no restrictions on movement. It’s just about trying to make sure there are plenty of amenities near to everybody’s homes.

Yes, my question was really aimed at making people think a bit about the control aspect that is worrying them.

That was really behind my initial question, I was a bit concerned that I had not heard anything about it in the news, which usually give us plenty of irrelevant stuff! I think it is better to keep people informed and since the pandemic, there is more fear that lack of information and misinformation are on the increase. "

I think we're living in interesting times. We're bombarded on every side with news and information, very little of which is good or trustworthy.

I think to myself what are the benefits and to who of keeping the vast majority of the population in one place for long periods of time.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Someone’s making that nonsense up to scare people. God knows why. Best to ignore them."
In oxford under these new filters that will start in 2040, residents will be able to drive freely around their own neighbourhoods, but will be fined up to £70 for driving into other neighbourhoods. I wonder if they have to seek permission to cross the 6 zones that it will be divided into, it seems complicated doesnt it?

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over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Someone’s making that nonsense up to scare people. God knows why. Best to ignore them.In oxford under these new filters that will start in 2040, residents will be able to drive freely around their own neighbourhoods, but will be fined up to £70 for driving into other neighbourhoods. I wonder if they have to seek permission to cross the 6 zones that it will be divided into, it seems complicated doesnt it?"

What's the source for that if you don't mind me asking?

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Thanks for sharing this - not that I am happy to see it but I am glad I was not just following somebody else's fear story.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Not sure if this has been asked before - if so, I would welcome if somebody could signpost me to the relevant thread.

Who has heard about this because I have not seen it on the News but when a friend told me about it I googled it and was rather surprised."

Yep.. Oxfords well on the way..

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

What's the source for that if you don't mind me asking?"

Council meeting minutes

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Not sure if this has been asked before - if so, I would welcome if somebody could signpost me to the relevant thread.

Who has heard about this because I have not seen it on the News but when a friend told me about it I googled it and was rather surprised.

Yep.. Oxfords well on the way.. "

Again, I am asking how it is possible that we do not hear about this? I follow the news on a daily basis and not heard this until today when it must have been in the planning for some time. That is the part I find concerning.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Will they be able to take public transport across the six zones?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I was just thinking also how it would work if you have a lot of family in different parts of the country or even abroad. What if you were to become a carer for a relative?

What about all the pleasurable non-local things like theatre, concert, sport event in a different city or, dare I say, attending a swingers event somewhere away? (The latter is tongue in cheek

Nobody is saying they’ll stop you going anywhere you want to. They’re just saying that if you live in an urban area it would be nice to have more stuff near your house. "

Not really though. The proposal is to fine or prevent use outside of 15 minutes.. There are two cities already working toward it.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Not sure if this has been asked before - if so, I would welcome if somebody could signpost me to the relevant thread.

Who has heard about this because I have not seen it on the News but when a friend told me about it I googled it and was rather surprised.

Yep.. Oxfords well on the way..

It has indeed been discussed at council meetings for some time. And yes it is concerning that it is not more widely being discussed.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"I was just thinking also how it would work if you have a lot of family in different parts of the country or even abroad. What if you were to become a carer for a relative?

What about all the pleasurable non-local things like theatre, concert, sport event in a different city or, dare I say, attending a swingers event somewhere away? (The latter is tongue in cheek

Nobody is saying they’ll stop you going anywhere you want to. They’re just saying that if you live in an urban area it would be nice to have more stuff near your house.

Not really though. The proposal is to fine or prevent use outside of 15 minutes.. There are two cities already working toward it. "

Use of cars or any travel?

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

"In oxford under these new filters that will start in 2040, residents will be able to drive freely around their own neighbourhoods, but will be fined up to £70 for driving into other neighbourhoods. I wonder if they have to seek permission to cross the 6 zones that it will be divided into, it seems complicated doesnt it?"

Okay this is where people are starting to confuse two different things.

You’re talking about congestion charges or Low Emission Zones. These are a separate thing, about reducing pollution in built-up areas.

One of the problems facing local authorities right now is trying to make traffic/pollution targets match up with housing/transport targets and planning intentions.

So they may want to help build amenities everywhere in line with this 15-minute concept. But they also have the UK Gov telling them they have to cut pollution by X amount.

And the only way they can think to do that within their current budget is with a big stick - Low Emission Zones and fines for older/bigger cars entering the city centre. That’s unfortunate, and frustrating, but it’s because they can’t afford the better approach - the carrot of free public transport, for example.

If you’re against Low Emission Zones, by all means campaign against them. But don’t conflate them with another idea like 15-min cities - that’s how confusion creeps in and good, positive ideas could run the risk of being caught up in the bad vibes.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Thanks for sharing this - not that I am happy to see it but I am glad I was not just following somebody else's fear story.

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Yw and yes, it is all over the news and one can also read more about it on the oxford students web site, people in oxford are protesting against it

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

"Not really though. The proposal is to fine or prevent use outside of 15 minutes.. There are two cities already working toward it. "

There is no such proposal anywhere in the UK. I think you are probably getting mixed up with legislation about reducing air pollution from cars. Or somebody further back along the line of communication has mixed them up and you’ve ended up misinformed. Like Chinese whispers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not a conspiracy follower but curious why this is not more widely known/ made known!

What's in the news is largely a function of what the businesses that own the news decide to share"

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

What's the source for that if you don't mind me asking?

Council meeting minutes "

You missed the bit about only being charged after 100 journies

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

"Ahh, right, I hadn’t noticed anyone mention the walk but, just the 15mins.

Walking wouldn’t work for me"

It doesn't work for me either. I can't walk for 15mins.

But it would mean many more amenities were accessable on my scooter, easing my dependance on my car if nothing else.

But for most people having, let's say an NHS dentist, within a 15 minute walk would mean they would potentially be more people walking to the dentist than currently having to drive an hour away

(Ha lolz jokes on you. The nearest NHS dentist to where I live that's taking on is 20 miles away, not possible to get to easily on public transport oh and is in a different county (it's in Yorkshire not even in Lancashire.)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not really though. The proposal is to fine or prevent use outside of 15 minutes.. There are two cities already working toward it.

Yes the clean air congestion charges will be rolled out widely in cities over time. But as you say that's completely different to a suggestion that you'd simply have to pay to cross the border from one zone to another.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

What's the source for that if you don't mind me asking?

Council meeting minutes

You missed the bit about only being charged after 100 journies"

Devils in the details..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

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By *uyForeLadiesMan
over a year ago

Grantham

LTNs - Low Traffic Neighborhoods

FMCs - Fifteen Minute City's

Are two subtlety different things. Neither of which is a conspiracy theory and will be coming to a town near you sooner or later.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"LTNs - Low Traffic Neighborhoods

FMCs - Fifteen Minute City's

Are two subtlety different things. Neither of which is a conspiracy theory and will be coming to a town near you sooner or later."

Very fast tracked! Under our very noses tbh. Watch this space! .

Errrrr no Space really!'

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By *phrodite OP Woman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"LTNs - Low Traffic Neighborhoods

FMCs - Fifteen Minute City's

Are two subtlety different things. Neither of which is a conspiracy theory and will be coming to a town near you sooner or later.

Very fast tracked! Under our very noses tbh. Watch this space! .

Errrrr no Space really!'

So is the lack of publication as I see it a sign that an informed public is not really high on some politicians' agenda?

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"LTNs - Low Traffic Neighborhoods

FMCs - Fifteen Minute City's

Are two subtlety different things. Neither of which is a conspiracy theory and will be coming to a town near you sooner or later.

Very fast tracked! Under our very noses tbh. Watch this space! .

Errrrr no Space really!'

So is the lack of publication as I see it a sign that an informed public is not really high on some politicians' agenda? "

I think it's more that it's just 'ideas'. But conspiracy nuts love it when there's nothing published (even though most ideas never happen). I had a good giggle when last week someone complained about the concept of 15 minute cities and having all required facilities and services on their doorstep, just after they'd moaned about having to travel miles for a hospital appointment and how locals in town weren't supporting local businesses and restaurants and were all heading to Bristol to shop, eat and use leisure facilities.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

Local councils do their best but most of them have near-zero budget for communications and marketing. The UK Government don’t give them enough funding to do the things they’re making them responsible for delivering - and comms is never high on the list of priorities.

If you have an interest in this stuff - in what happens in your local area and what future plans for it might be - you really have to make the effort yourself to get involved. Get on to mailing lists from your local Council and its planning department. Make time to attend consultations. Download reports and read them. You have a say in all this stuff - you have a voice if you choose to use it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"LTNs - Low Traffic Neighborhoods

FMCs - Fifteen Minute City's

Are two subtlety different things. Neither of which is a conspiracy theory and will be coming to a town near you sooner or later.

Very fast tracked! Under our very noses tbh. Watch this space! .

Errrrr no Space really!'

So is the lack of publication as I see it a sign that an informed public is not really high on some politicians' agenda? "

When ever was it,all a game, play,be played.

Master plan, own nothing and be happy!

Mind control happened long ago!

Fab is not immune to it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have 2 doctor's surgeries a 15 minute walk away but it takes 4 weeks to get an appointment.

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Not sure if this has been asked before - if so, I would welcome if somebody could signpost me to the relevant thread.

Who has heard about this because I have not seen it on the News but when a friend told me about it I googled it and was rather surprised."
I think its a great idea to live and work within 15 minutes of where you live not practical but a great idea, this obviously can only apply to those people who work in offices and or dont need transport for work.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Not sure if this has been asked before - if so, I would welcome if somebody could signpost me to the relevant thread.

Who has heard about this because I have not seen it on the News but when a friend told me about it I googled it and was rather surprised.I think its a great idea to live and work within 15 minutes of where you live not practical but a great idea, this obviously can only apply to those people who work in offices and or dont need transport for work.

Horse and cart will be permitted..

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

So is the implication of some that this has not been discussed by Oxford City Council?

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Not sure if this has been asked before - if so, I would welcome if somebody could signpost me to the relevant thread.

Horse and cart will be permitted.. "
lol ok actually i could do that park the horse in back garden

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By *unfunfun xMan
over a year ago

LONDON

"Not sure if this has been asked before - if so, I would welcome if somebody could signpost me to the relevant thread.

Who has heard about this because I have not seen it on the News but when a friend told me about it I googled it and was rather surprised."
living in London I think I basically have everything within 15mins, Waterloo Leicester Square soho blah blah, big hospital bars clubs major supermarkets shopping centres. Everything bar a beach dam it lol

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By *ilfCrumpet9Man
over a year ago

Wirral

It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

"Apparently it’s already a thing in China. "
There could be a opening in the job market for a mobile welder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember "

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

Is it Mr Blobby?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can't imagine anything more horrendous than living within 15 minutes walking distance of everything and everyone else. We don't even live within 15 minutes walk to our nearest neighbour, and we like it just fine that way.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!"

Not 77?!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

Not 77?!

ssssh. don't tell anyone. it's a secret. only the very special super special top minds of the world can find out. ssshhh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

Not 77?!

ssssh. don't tell anyone. it's a secret. only the very special super special top minds of the world can find out. ssshhh."

Phew. I'm glad you warned me. I was about to go out wearing my sheeple hat with 77 knitted on it.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

Not 77?!

ssssh. don't tell anyone. it's a secret. only the very special super special top minds of the world can find out. ssshhh.

Phew. I'm glad you warned me. I was about to go out wearing my sheeple hat with 77 knitted on it."

Silly you. You should never leave the house without your tin foil hat, everyone knows that.

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By *angOnBunnyCouple
over a year ago

Ipswich

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember "

We moved away from bug conglomerates to shop local and independent. Much better quality food and prices and great community when we use the local pub and cafes. The walking / riding is healthier and removes our car from the road with wasteful short journeys.

Happier with life and our local community.

Now to hit up "Who's Near" to find other local community

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I can't imagine anything more horrendous than living within 15 minutes walking distance of everything and everyone else. We don't even live within 15 minutes walk to our nearest neighbour, and we like it just fine that way."

It refers to city planning. I don't think they're going to shove a Sainsbury's in your forest......

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

Not 77?!

ssssh. don't tell anyone. it's a secret. only the very special super special top minds of the world can find out. ssshhh.

Phew. I'm glad you warned me. I was about to go out wearing my sheeple hat with 77 knitted on it."

The sheeple don't know anything about the 77th. Asleeple sheeple. baa.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?"

Researce it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

Is it Mr Blobby? "

Teletubbys infact and timmy mallet!'lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!"

Yes "D"

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

Yes "D"

I, for one, welcome our alien overlords.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

(points finger) it's him over there... Down with this sort of thing

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

(points finger) it's him over there... Down with this sort of thing"

I don't know why, but the image I have in my head is Brian (from The Life of) up at the wall being forced to correct his Latin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

(points finger) it's him over there... Down with this sort of thing

I don't know why, but the image I have in my head is Brian (from The Life of) up at the wall being forced to correct his Latin"

I think down with this sort of thing was from a Father Ted episode. I've got an image of that in my head, anyway.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

(points finger) it's him over there... Down with this sort of thing

I don't know why, but the image I have in my head is Brian (from The Life of) up at the wall being forced to correct his Latin

I think down with this sort of thing was from a Father Ted episode. I've got an image of that in my head, anyway."

These are small... Those are far away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

(points finger) it's him over there... Down with this sort of thing

I don't know why, but the image I have in my head is Brian (from The Life of) up at the wall being forced to correct his Latin

I think down with this sort of thing was from a Father Ted episode. I've got an image of that in my head, anyway.

These are small... Those are far away"

Yup definitely Ted lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

Yes "D"

I, for one, welcome our alien overlords."

We have a connection. Reach out if you will!' I dont bite.

Brain activitys a good thing!'

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By *arkyp_321Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

The reality is far more sensible and seems to want to promote sustainable transport and a move away from car reliability while improving local amenities.

Not sure why people are so angry about that

Where they are being proposed there is full local consultation …

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

Not 77?!

ssssh. don't tell anyone. it's a secret. only the very special super special top minds of the world can find out. ssshhh.

Phew. I'm glad you warned me. I was about to go out wearing my sheeple hat with 77 knitted on it.

The sheeple don't know anything about the 77th. Asleeple sheeple. baa."

Moooooo, mo, mooooooooooooooh the Udders are Flapping together! I meam Clapping!" Lol

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By *arkyp_321Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

Good grief …hope you’re joking ! No one’s stopping you going anywhere ….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's what we had when I was younger. Most shops just a walking distance from our house. Still remember it now and everyone knew everyone even the shop keepers.

Big retail parks and the super markets destroyed communities.

This is my opinion from what I remember

Its a fact what you say!"

It is all by Design to frament society at large.

Look around you .and gage whats happening to the Structure that oncw bound us all together.

There is an imposter amongst us all.

Guess who and what? Or it is?

It's a number between 75 and 79. We're doomed. Doomed!

Not 77?!

ssssh. don't tell anyone. it's a secret. only the very special super special top minds of the world can find out. ssshhh.

Phew. I'm glad you warned me. I was about to go out wearing my sheeple hat with 77 knitted on it.

Silly you. You should never leave the house without your tin foil hat, everyone knows that."

Feet well planted on the Ground! Hands in the air! Dr Martins, 18 laced,steel toe,OX Blood red.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

The reality is far more sensible and seems to want to promote sustainable transport and a move away from car reliability while improving local amenities.

Not sure why people are so angry about that

Where they are being proposed there is full local consultation …"

You are saying there has been full local consultation in Oxford? Might I suggest absolutely not.? Given that most local people have no idea what is being proposed or why or what the impact is going to be on them.

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By *uyForeLadiesMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"Where they are being proposed there is full local consultation …"

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it. "

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?"

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

Good grief …hope you’re joking ! No one’s stopping you going anywhere …."

Yeah iam jokeing!"Billy Connely style!

Whos seen that vid. Goerdie take of scotsman??

Well cracks me up big time.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy . "

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

Good grief …hope you’re joking ! No one’s stopping you going anywhere ….

Yeah iam jokeing!"Billy Connely style!

Whos seen that vid. Goerdie take of scotsman??

Well cracks me up big time. "

Man Like Hacks. Scotsman!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation."

You move it along the conversation, il butt in here and there!!

1,2,3 go. Iam waiting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

You move it along the conversation, il butt in here and there!!

1,2,3 go. Iam waiting. "

Inaswinggypsydress!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

So... Tell us your understanding of what the Great Reset is and what you think it'll do?

If you agree with me, then you agree that that's the best way to move forward. Unless you misunderstood what I said?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

You move it along the conversation, il butt in here and there!!

1,2,3 go. Iam waiting. "

Waiting for what?

I would also like an explanation of your ideas, in order to clear up what you're talking about.

I find that the cry of "do your own research" is a deflection from those unwilling or unable to defend their ideas

I don't give a fuck what Google says. It's about what you think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

So... Tell us your understanding of what the Great Reset is and what you think it'll do?

If you agree with me, then you agree that that's the best way to move forward. Unless you misunderstood what I said?"

Agree to what?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

You move it along the conversation, il butt in here and there!!

1,2,3 go. Iam waiting.

Waiting for what?

I would also like an explanation of your ideas, in order to clear up what you're talking about.

I find that the cry of "do your own research" is a deflection from those unwilling or unable to defend their ideas

I don't give a fuck what Google says. It's about what you think."

You do give a Fuck really! Dont you? Your forceing the issue.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy . "

I understand how Google works. But I can't Google your thoughts and understanding of how this fits in with the great reset?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

You move it along the conversation, il butt in here and there!!

1,2,3 go. Iam waiting.

Waiting for what?

I would also like an explanation of your ideas, in order to clear up what you're talking about.

I find that the cry of "do your own research" is a deflection from those unwilling or unable to defend their ideas

I don't give a fuck what Google says. It's about what you think.

You do give a Fuck really! Dont you? Your forceing the issue.

No, I don't give a fuck what Google says. Or DuckDuckGo or any other search engine or site.

I care about what you think, because you are the one I'm conversing with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

I understand how Google works. But I can't Google your thoughts and understanding of how this fits in with the great reset?"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

You move it along the conversation, il butt in here and there!!

1,2,3 go. Iam waiting.

Waiting for what?

I would also like an explanation of your ideas, in order to clear up what you're talking about.

I find that the cry of "do your own research" is a deflection from those unwilling or unable to defend their ideas

I don't give a fuck what Google says. It's about what you think.

You do give a Fuck really! Dont you? Your forceing the issue.

No, I don't give a fuck what Google says. Or DuckDuckGo or any other search engine or site.

I care about what you think, because you are the one I'm conversing with."

You swearing again!! You know what you are? And what you can do...

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I was told that there would be a charge of £75 and a restriction on frequency - I have not seen evidence yet but it is being discussed and no, not necessarily by conspiracy theorists .

Most london Boroughs are being rearranged into this. By 2030 full flow.

Herded and otherwise. Re-set and master plan.

What do you mean by reset and master plan?

Researce it.

Can yiy not just summarise what the great reset is and how thos impacts on it?

Google!' Thats what its for. Lazy .

Google won't tell us your understanding of it. Nor the particular angle you take.

This isn't school, it's a conversation.

You move it along the conversation, il butt in here and there!!

1,2,3 go. Iam waiting.

Waiting for what?

I would also like an explanation of your ideas, in order to clear up what you're talking about.

I find that the cry of "do your own research" is a deflection from those unwilling or unable to defend their ideas

I don't give a fuck what Google says. It's about what you think.

You do give a Fuck really! Dont you? Your forceing the issue.

No, I don't give a fuck what Google says. Or DuckDuckGo or any other search engine or site.

I care about what you think, because you are the one I'm conversing with.

You swearing again!! You know what you are? And what you can do...

I'm a person? With a vocabulary that includes *vapours* profanity on *smelling salt* a sexually explicit site!

Meanwhile, I'm interested in your views about what the Great Reset is and why you think it will be significant in our lives. Google, as we've established, won't tell us what *you* think.