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"And..." I'm surprised they would even raise it now since the vote went against women bishops. It is strange to suggest that someone in a civil partnership should abstain from sex with their partner. I'd be happy to see both gay and women bishops. | |||
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"did i hear it right that they also have to 'confess' any past gay activity..? even without that, which PR expert thought that lot up... (no max clifford puns pls) " Confess and repent. | |||
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"did i hear it right that they also have to 'confess' any past gay activity..? even without that, which PR expert thought that lot up... (no max clifford puns pls) Confess and repent." Fecks sake, how to osracize even more people.. maybe thats what they're trying to do.. the church is pretty much split anyway.. | |||
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"did i hear it right that they also have to 'confess' any past gay activity..? even without that, which PR expert thought that lot up... (no max clifford puns pls) Confess and repent. Fecks sake, how to osracize even more people.. maybe thats what they're trying to do.. the church is pretty much split anyway.. " I'm going to become a Quaker. | |||
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"Does it really matter. They only represent a minority anyway. The rest of us are non-creationists." It only matters as it is still the 'official' Church of this country. | |||
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"did i hear it right that they also have to 'confess' any past gay activity..? even without that, which PR expert thought that lot up... (no max clifford puns pls) Confess and repent. Fecks sake, how to osracize even more people.. maybe thats what they're trying to do.. the church is pretty much split anyway.. I'm going to become a Quaker." You'll have to give up the booze then.  | |||
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"Does it really matter. They only represent a minority anyway. The rest of us are non-creationists." It matters as this 'minority' position themselves in high places and create closed shops. No one in American politics will get to to run the country if they were to renounce God. Same here really. They all go to church as do the Royals. I often wonder how 'thinking' people can continue to present a false front | |||
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"Does it really matter. They only represent a minority anyway. The rest of us are non-creationists." even as a none believer i think it does matter to us as a society tbh.. as the 'established church' they have a vote in the upper house, how can they vote on 'us' and creat law when they represent an organisation which is inherently unequal and discriminatory..? | |||
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"did i hear it right that they also have to 'confess' any past gay activity..? even without that, which PR expert thought that lot up... (no max clifford puns pls) Confess and repent. Fecks sake, how to osracize even more people.. maybe thats what they're trying to do.. the church is pretty much split anyway.. I'm going to become a Quaker. You'll have to give up the booze then. "They don't sing either. Equalities but without the singing or booze - it's a quandry. | |||
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"did i hear it right that they also have to 'confess' any past gay activity..? even without that, which PR expert thought that lot up... (no max clifford puns pls) Confess and repent. Fecks sake, how to osracize even more people.. maybe thats what they're trying to do.. the church is pretty much split anyway.. I'm going to become a Quaker." porridge..?  | |||
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"Celibacy? Isn't that the thing that makes catholic priests such upstanding individuals?" I know that civil partnerships doesn't always mean that it is with your sexual partner but I think it's odd to suggest that you can be in a civil partnership and become a bishop as long as you promise not to have sex with your partner (or anyone else). | |||
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"Celibacy? Isn't that the thing that makes catholic priests such upstanding individuals? I know that civil partnerships doesn't always mean that it is with your sexual partner but I think it's odd to suggest that you can be in a civil partnership and become a bishop as long as you promise not to have sex with your partner (or anyone else)." its more than odd. Its archaic bollocks. | |||
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"iv just read a book called the shack,it answered a lot of questions if you could suspend believe in the plot,but it id not explain the one question i wanted answering "where did God come from how did he comeinto being"he didnt just materialise one day and decide to create the world as we know it" As the saying goes "God didn't create man, man created god !" | |||
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"iv just read a book called the shack,it answered a lot of questions if you could suspend believe in the plot,but it id not explain the one question i wanted answering "where did God come from how did he comeinto being"he didnt just materialise one day and decide to create the world as we know it As the saying goes "God didn't create man, man created god !" "i have to agree with you there | |||
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"In the CofE, as long as they are celibate - even in a Civil Partnership. But not women bishops. "bishops in a civil partnership remaining celibate,should not be a problem,unless sheep count. and even though there can be no women bishops.women should not feel this diminishes,nor belittles,the role of women within the church itself,lets face it,those churches aint gonna clean themselves.  | |||
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"Does it really matter. They only represent a minority anyway. The rest of us are non-creationists. even as a none believer i think it does matter to us as a society tbh.. as the 'established church' they have a vote in the upper house, how can they vote on 'us' and creat law when they represent an organisation which is inherently unequal and discriminatory..?" Maybe it needs someone to take the established church to the European Court of Human Rights and sue them for centuries of lying and deceit. Force them to defend their position or change it. | |||
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"No one in American politics will get to to run the country if they were to renounce God. Same here really. They all go to church as do the Royals." There has been speculation about when we might have our first black Prime Minister, in the wake of Mr Obama across the pond. Personally I think it would be more of a milestone if we were to elect the first Atheist/Humanist (call it what you will) PM or - perish the thought! - have a Monarch who was openly Atheist. A saying which includes the words 'cat' and 'pigeons' comes to mind... Can't see it happening though... but then, even Rome eventually fell... | |||
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"No one in American politics will get to to run the country if they were to renounce God. Same here really. They all go to church as do the Royals. There has been speculation about when we might have our first black Prime Minister, in the wake of Mr Obama across the pond. Personally I think it would be more of a milestone if we were to elect the first Atheist/Humanist (call it what you will) PM or - perish the thought! - have a Monarch who was openly Atheist. A saying which includes the words 'cat' and 'pigeons' comes to mind... Can't see it happening though... but then, even Rome eventually fell... "I believe that when such a time comes that our leaders are made up of atheists it will also be a time when the existence of God has been disproven and religion will be in the realms of quacks, cranks and weirdos. For the moment, it suits humanity to have some form of religion providing the moral backbone that without it society would descend into chaos and anarchy. We're simply not ready to be told that God doesn't exist. | |||
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"No one in American politics will get to to run the country if they were to renounce God. Same here really. They all go to church as do the Royals. There has been speculation about when we might have our first black Prime Minister, in the wake of Mr Obama across the pond. Personally I think it would be more of a milestone if we were to elect the first Atheist/Humanist (call it what you will) PM or - perish the thought! - have a Monarch who was openly Atheist. A saying which includes the words 'cat' and 'pigeons' comes to mind... Can't see it happening though... but then, even Rome eventually fell...
I believe that when such a time comes that our leaders are made up of atheists it will also be a time when the existence of God has been disproven and religion will be in the realms of quacks, cranks and weirdos.
For the moment, it suits humanity to have some form of religion providing the moral backbone that without it society would descend into chaos and anarchy. We're simply not ready to be told that God doesn't exist."I think what 'we' are not ready for is using our own minds to work it out, and make our own decisions rather than have some bloke in a frock tell the masses what they should or should not believe.... | |||
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"I don't really care if Bishops are gay or women... I don't play Chess that often."
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"did i hear it right that they also have to 'confess' any past gay activity..? even without that, which PR expert thought that lot up... (no max clifford puns pls) Confess and repent. Fecks sake, how to osracize even more people.. maybe thats what they're trying to do.. the church is pretty much split anyway.. I'm going to become a Quaker. You'll have to give up the booze then.
They don't sing either. Equalities but without the singing or booze - it's a quandry."We used to sing, we just didn't have music to accompany us and also the women didn't speak at services. | |||
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"Celibacy? Isn't that the thing that makes catholic priests such upstanding individuals?" Celibate really only means unmarried. It came to mean 'not having sex' when there was the presumption that only married people had sex. Clearly this has never applied to clergy. | |||
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"It just underlines to me how out of touch - and therefore irrelevant to me - the established church is in this country. The most surprising thing is that anyone still pays any attention to what they think. It's a dinosaur in its death throes." It's great to watch an organised religion tearing itself apart. Anyone who watched Rowan Whatshisname giving a tour of Canterbury knows the Church of England still lives in the 17th century. | |||
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"In the CofE, as long as they are celibate - even in a Civil Partnership. But not women bishops. "Sort sighted moralistic fools come to mind for the CofE hierarchy. Its their choice but if religious crews wish to survive in their hood they need to adapt. I would also change the lords prayer for the times to start...... The Lord is my homie, I shunt want innit like cos he is bad like....  | |||
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I made a point of watching the three programmes about Westminster Abbey on BBC2 and couldn't help the thought running through my mind all the time .... "What if all this were to be proved to be built on a lie..? What would all these people who have given everything to the service of 'God', do..?"
Brought it home just how much of our society - well, our whole society tbh - is built on what is in a book, written 30+ years after the death of the main character, which we only know about thanks to a guy called Saul, who changed his name to Paul when he 'appeared' out of the desert and started to tell stories about a bloke called Jesus..
Keep wondering if it's just me....????
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"Just before Saturnalia I made a point of watching the three programmes about Westminster Abbey on BBC2 and couldn't help the thought running through my mind all the time .... "What if all this were to be proved to be built on a lie..? What would all these people who have given everything to the service of 'God', do..?"
Brought it home just how much of our society - well, our whole society tbh - is built on what is in a book, written 30+ years after the death of the main character, which we only know about thanks to a guy called Saul, who changed his name to Paul when he 'appeared' out of the desert and started to tell stories about a bloke called Jesus..
Keep wondering if it's just me....????
"find it hard to comprehend that with all the 'learned' folk in 'the church' that they did'nt suss it oooh about several hundred years ago.. somehow doubt they would ever admit its bollocks tbh.. disclaimer; 'in the church' applies to all other organised and none organised belief systems.. including star trek.. | |||
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"Just before Saturnalia I made a point of watching the three programmes about Westminster Abbey on BBC2 and couldn't help the thought running through my mind all the time .... "What if all this were to be proved to be built on a lie..? What would all these people who have given everything to the service of 'God', do..?"
Brought it home just how much of our society - well, our whole society tbh - is built on what is in a book, written 30+ years after the death of the main character, which we only know about thanks to a guy called Saul, who changed his name to Paul when he 'appeared' out of the desert and started to tell stories about a bloke called Jesus..
Keep wondering if it's just me....????
find it hard to comprehend that with all the 'learned' folk in 'the church' that they did'nt suss it oooh about several hundred years ago..
somehow doubt they would ever admit its bollocks tbh..
disclaimer; 'in the church' applies to all other organised and none organised belief systems..
including star trek.."How dare you diss Star Trek!!!!
That's nothing but the truth I tell you!!
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"Maybe they should read the book they preach about." and, maybe, questioned it just a little...? 
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"Maybe they should read the book they preach about. and, maybe, questioned it just a little...?
"Such hypocritical.quotes as 'judge not, lest ye be judged' 'let he without sin cast the first stone' 'whats good for the goose is good for the gander' | |||
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"Maybe they should read the book they preach about. and, maybe, questioned it just a little...?
Such hypocritical.quotes as 'judge not, lest ye be judged'
'let he without sin cast the first stone'
'whats good for the goose is good for the gander'
"Which book has the last one? | |||
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