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By *iamondsmiles. OP   Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I was just watching something about him on the televison. I really cant believe it is 20 years since it happened.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I can't believe it was 20 yrs ago today that Sgt Pepper formed his lonely hearts club band

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This happened not far from where I live. I don't think we've heard the end of this case either.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Jenni Murray has just inter_iewed Marcia Shakespeare and Beverley Thomas, the mothers of two girls killed in a drive by shooting in Birmingham 10 years ago.

Does anything really change?

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By *onnoisseur100Man
over a year ago

Woking-ish

But surely this can't happen !

The completely banned the ownership of handguns in this country to stop exactly this. So you must be joking rite?

Mr Blair doesn't lie, banning ownership has stopped this happening completely.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"But surely this can't happen !

The completely banned the ownership of handguns in this country to stop exactly this. So you must be joking rite?

Mr Blair doesn't lie, banning ownership has stopped this happening completely."

The original proposal was a Tory measure. It left some loopholes. All the 1997 Labour amendment did was remove the loopholes.

Nobody promised it would stop the problem completely.

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By *onnoisseur100Man
over a year ago

Woking-ish

Maybe not but it seems to have got an awful lot worse since..... so another waste of time and money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But surely this can't happen !

The completely banned the ownership of handguns in this country to stop exactly this. So you must be joking rite?

Mr Blair doesn't lie, banning ownership has stopped this happening completely."

They stopped the sale of hand guns yes, but you can still get them if you know the "right" people.

You can buy semi autos if you have a license. Why would you need a semi auto outside of a warzone?

and then with no license and very few checks you can buy powerful Crossbows, I'm a survivalist so I collect them (target shooting) along with swords (combat training) and knives I also make my own custom combat enhancing gadgets like the hidden blades he has in assassins creed. You'll be surprised at the crazy laws we have on weapons in this country, I can go hunting with a shotgun but not with my bows, when a shot gun is a lot more damaging and sprays lead rather then being a solid shot they take no skill and you can reload them a lot raster than a bow.

One thing thats annoying me with all these things is that when one prat uses them to harm, all the responsible owners and trainers have to suffer.

Not everyone who is interested in combat and survival are out to harm anyone, in fact It's mostly the opposite we are preparing for any event in order to preserve life not take it away.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"But surely this can't happen !

The completely banned the ownership of handguns in this country to stop exactly this. So you must be joking rite?

Mr Blair doesn't lie, banning ownership has stopped this happening completely.

They stopped the sale of hand guns yes, but you can still get them if you know the "right" people.

You can buy semi autos if you have a license. Why would you need a semi auto outside of a warzone?

and then with no license and very few checks you can buy powerful Crossbows, I'm a survivalist so I collect them (target shooting) along with swords (combat training) and knives I also make my own custom combat enhancing gadgets like the hidden blades he has in assassins creed. You'll be surprised at the crazy laws we have on weapons in this country, I can go hunting with a shotgun but not with my bows, when a shot gun is a lot more damaging and sprays lead rather then being a solid shot they take no skill and you can reload them a lot raster than a bow.

One thing thats annoying me with all these things is that when one prat uses them to harm, all the responsible owners and trainers have to suffer.

Not everyone who is interested in combat and survival are out to harm anyone, in fact It's mostly the opposite we are preparing for any event in order to preserve life not take it away."
a semi auto wht handgun? no u cant all handguns are banned, semi auto shotgun or rifle wth the correct licence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"But surely this can't happen !

The completely banned the ownership of handguns in this country to stop exactly this. So you must be joking rite?

Mr Blair doesn't lie, banning ownership has stopped this happening completely.

They stopped the sale of hand guns yes, but you can still get them if you know the "right" people.

You can buy semi autos if you have a license. Why would you need a semi auto outside of a warzone?

and then with no license and very few checks you can buy powerful Crossbows, I'm a survivalist so I collect them (target shooting) along with swords (combat training) and knives I also make my own custom combat enhancing gadgets like the hidden blades he has in assassins creed. You'll be surprised at the crazy laws we have on weapons in this country, I can go hunting with a shotgun but not with my bows, when a shot gun is a lot more damaging and sprays lead rather then being a solid shot they take no skill and you can reload them a lot raster than a bow.

One thing thats annoying me with all these things is that when one prat uses them to harm, all the responsible owners and trainers have to suffer.

Not everyone who is interested in combat and survival are out to harm anyone, in fact It's mostly the opposite we are preparing for any event in order to preserve life not take it away. a semi auto wht handgun? no u cant all handguns are banned, semi auto shotgun or rifle wth the correct licence "

You needed a license for a hand gun too my point was you can still buy things that are a lot more damaging that you'll never really need outside a warzone and a crossbow pistol can be used the same way as a handgun just a little slower due to loading times but you don't get check for then, last crossbow pistol I brought has 70lb of force and can easily kill yet I wasn't challenged for ID and I need no license. Odd no.

You see my point now.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"But surely this can't happen !

The completely banned the ownership of handguns in this country to stop exactly this. So you must be joking rite?

Mr Blair doesn't lie, banning ownership has stopped this happening completely.

They stopped the sale of hand guns yes, but you can still get them if you know the "right" people.

You can buy semi autos if you have a license. Why would you need a semi auto outside of a warzone?

and then with no license and very few checks you can buy powerful Crossbows, I'm a survivalist so I collect them (target shooting) along with swords (combat training) and knives I also make my own custom combat enhancing gadgets like the hidden blades he has in assassins creed. You'll be surprised at the crazy laws we have on weapons in this country, I can go hunting with a shotgun but not with my bows, when a shot gun is a lot more damaging and sprays lead rather then being a solid shot they take no skill and you can reload them a lot raster than a bow.

One thing thats annoying me with all these things is that when one prat uses them to harm, all the responsible owners and trainers have to suffer.

Not everyone who is interested in combat and survival are out to harm anyone, in fact It's mostly the opposite we are preparing for any event in order to preserve life not take it away. a semi auto wht handgun? no u cant all handguns are banned, semi auto shotgun or rifle wth the correct licence

You needed a license for a hand gun too my point was you can still buy things that are a lot more damaging that you'll never really need outside a warzone and a crossbow pistol can be used the same way as a handgun just a little slower due to loading times but you don't get check for then, last crossbow pistol I brought has 70lb of force and can easily kill yet I wasn't challenged for ID and I need no license. Odd no.

You see my point now. "
i agree with u i wasnt not and ur rite a crossbow is a deadly weapon ive had several and u dont need anything to purchase in fact u only had to be over 16 this may b diff now im not sure the age

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Crossbows (and Samurai swords) are a bit harder to conceal than handguns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jenni Murray has just inter_iewed Marcia Shakespeare and Beverley Thomas, the mothers of two girls killed in a drive by shooting in Birmingham 10 years ago.

Does anything really change?"

Was that the new years eve one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Crossbows (and Samurai swords) are a bit harder to conceal than handguns."

It all depends, crossbow pistols are still pretty small and you don't have a big bang to draw attention.

Combat knive can be brought online and easy to hide.

Also talking about easyer to conceal, the dude that just killed those children in America had semi auto rifles that we sell "clones" of over here.

The Norway island massacre was also larger guns.

It doesn't matter if its easy to conceal or not, the laws and checks are still a huge mess.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Crossbows (and Samurai swords) are a bit harder to conceal than handguns."
couldnt stop it killng some one tho thats the point theres weapons around u need no checks 4 the samurai are harder to find sharp now most are blunt i have one which is so sharp its ridiculas bt its only 4 show on the wall

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Crossbows (and Samurai swords) are a bit harder to conceal than handguns.

It all depends, crossbow pistols are still pretty small and you don't have a big bang to draw attention.

Combat knive can be brought online and easy to hide.

Also talking about easyer to conceal, the dude that just killed those children in America had semi auto rifles that we sell "clones" of over here.

The Norway island massacre was also larger guns.

It doesn't matter if its easy to conceal or not, the laws and checks are still a huge mess.

"

I take the point about crossbow pistols being smaller than the traditional version but they're still harder to conceal than a pistol and, as someone said, require reloading.

Knives, whilst dangerous, require proximity and are easier to run away from then a bullet. It also requires a bit more commitment to attack someone with a knife than with a handgun.

I was surprised to see replica pistols and assault weapons on sale in hobby shops in local shopping centres. OK, they're a garish colour but a tin of Humbrol model paint should sort that.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Jenni Murray has just inter_iewed Marcia Shakespeare and Beverley Thomas, the mothers of two girls killed in a drive by shooting in Birmingham 10 years ago.

Does anything really change?

Was that the new years eve one?"

January 2nd 2003.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Crossbows (and Samurai swords) are a bit harder to conceal than handguns.

It all depends, crossbow pistols are still pretty small and you don't have a big bang to draw attention.

Combat knive can be brought online and easy to hide.

Also talking about easyer to conceal, the dude that just killed those children in America had semi auto rifles that we sell "clones" of over here.

The Norway island massacre was also larger guns.

It doesn't matter if its easy to conceal or not, the laws and checks are still a huge mess.

I take the point about crossbow pistols being smaller than the traditional version but they're still harder to conceal than a pistol and, as someone said, require reloading.

Knives, whilst dangerous, require proximity and are easier to run away from then a bullet. It also requires a bit more commitment to attack someone with a knife than with a handgun.

I was surprised to see replica pistols and assault weapons on sale in hobby shops in local shopping centres. OK, they're a garish colour but a tin of Humbrol model paint should sort that."
yes harder to conceal i get that but the point is u cant buy a handgun there banned unless u know the rite people which most of us dont, but a bow pistol or crossbow walkin walk out wth a weapon that can easily kill and not only that they do it at range to ive got a x bow wth a scope on and at 80-100 yards is v accurate

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


".......... yes harder to conceal i get that but the point is u cant buy a handgun there banned unless u know the rite people which most of us dont, but a bow pistol or crossbow walkin walk out wth a weapon that can easily kill and not only that they do it at range to ive got a x bow wth a scope on and at 80-100 yards is v accurate "

A properly rolled-up newspaper can easily kill. It costs about £1.50 and doesn't attract a second glance.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes it was really that long ago.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


".......... yes harder to conceal i get that but the point is u cant buy a handgun there banned unless u know the rite people which most of us dont, but a bow pistol or crossbow walkin walk out wth a weapon that can easily kill and not only that they do it at range to ive got a x bow wth a scope on and at 80-100 yards is v accurate

A properly rolled-up newspaper can easily kill. It costs about £1.50 and doesn't attract a second glance."
ok how about a dual then ill turn up wth my bow and u bring the sunday times

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Crossbows (and Samurai swords) are a bit harder to conceal than handguns.

It all depends, crossbow pistols are still pretty small and you don't have a big bang to draw attention.

Combat knive can be brought online and easy to hide.

Also talking about easyer to conceal, the dude that just killed those children in America had semi auto rifles that we sell "clones" of over here.

The Norway island massacre was also larger guns.

It doesn't matter if its easy to conceal or not, the laws and checks are still a huge mess.

I take the point about crossbow pistols being smaller than the traditional version but they're still harder to conceal than a pistol and, as someone said, require reloading.

Knives, whilst dangerous, require proximity and are easier to run away from then a bullet. It also requires a bit more commitment to attack someone with a knife than with a handgun.

I was surprised to see replica pistols and assault weapons on sale in hobby shops in local shopping centres. OK, they're a garish colour but a tin of Humbrol model paint should sort that."

Knives account for more deaths worldwide than guns do so don't really matter that you have to be close up. The sale of combat knives should still have more restrictions that what they do.

I've seen those replicas, It's the airsoft craze at the moment. they fire small plastic balls, gas powered or spring action, they have more or less replaced the old metal 1.77 airguns we used to be able to easily buy, It's the law that they have to be bright green or red or other colors. Like that's gonna stop anyone changing the color, as you said a little paint and these things look real.

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"Crossbows (and Samurai swords) are a bit harder to conceal than handguns.

It all depends, crossbow pistols are still pretty small and you don't have a big bang to draw attention.

Combat knive can be brought online and easy to hide.

Also talking about easyer to conceal, the dude that just killed those children in America had semi auto rifles that we sell "clones" of over here.

The Norway island massacre was also larger guns.

It doesn't matter if its easy to conceal or not, the laws and checks are still a huge mess.

I take the point about crossbow pistols being smaller than the traditional version but they're still harder to conceal than a pistol and, as someone said, require reloading.

Knives, whilst dangerous, require proximity and are easier to run away from then a bullet. It also requires a bit more commitment to attack someone with a knife than with a handgun.

I was surprised to see replica pistols and assault weapons on sale in hobby shops in local shopping centres. OK, they're a garish colour but a tin of Humbrol model paint should sort that.

Knives account for more deaths worldwide than guns do so don't really matter that you have to be close up. The sale of combat knives should still have more restrictions that what they do.

I've seen those replicas, It's the airsoft craze at the moment. they fire small plastic balls, gas powered or spring action, they have more or less replaced the old metal 1.77 airguns we used to be able to easily buy, It's the law that they have to be bright green or red or other colors. Like that's gonna stop anyone changing the color, as you said a little paint and these things look real."
and wave one about in the street and expect to be shot dead and rightly so i think

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone


"

A properly rolled-up newspaper can easily kill. It costs about £1.50 and doesn't attract a second glance."

I believe the term is Millwall brick, other names are available

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

A properly rolled-up newspaper can easily kill. It costs about £1.50 and doesn't attract a second glance.

I believe the term is Millwall brick, other names are available"

The millwall brick lol remember them from school, roll the paper up nice and tight and then fold it, they bloody hurt too. LOL

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" ..........

Knives account for more deaths worldwide than guns do so don't really matter that you have to be close up. ..........."

If that's true (I have no reason to doubt it) I suspect it's all down to the low price of knives compared to guns.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I am a little surprised that apart from a one other post everyone has ignored the OP marking Doreen Lawrence starting off the campaign today.

I know threads take on a mind of their own but I'm finding it a little sad that this move so quickly into purchasing guns and crossbows and making Millwall Bricks.

Spend just a moment with Doreen and you won't forget Stephen Lawrence.

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon

them poor lads they fitted up;

must have been in jail about 3 yrs now

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"them poor lads they fitted up;

must have been in jail about 3 yrs now"

just a pity they did'nt get the rest..

or the old bill who fucked it up..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"them poor lads they fitted up;

must have been in jail about 3 yrs now"

I'll assume that winky is to indicate something other than seriousness.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

respect to the whole Lawrence family for their dignity through loss... and Stephen x

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By *edbagioMan
over a year ago

ripon


"them poor lads they fitted up;

must have been in jail about 3 yrs now

I'll assume that winky is to indicate something other than seriousness. "
when the trial came to an end there was heated debate on here about it.

I still think they were fitted up

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"them poor lads they fitted up;

must have been in jail about 3 yrs now

I'll assume that winky is to indicate something other than seriousness. when the trial came to an end there was heated debate on here about it.

I still think they were fitted up"
they wernt fitted up they wer guilty as sin they just didnt get all of em

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"them poor lads they fitted up;

must have been in jail about 3 yrs now

just a pity they did'nt get the rest..

or the old bill who fucked it up.."

and this is why i think whenever we talk about the subject we have to be very very careful...

I personally knew stephen and i know the lawrence's very well... doreen is one of the strongest women i know...

we know all who did it, it was a fairly open secret in east and south east london who did.... and some have still got theirs coming to them

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By *am123Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford


"them poor lads they fitted up;

must have been in jail about 3 yrs now

just a pity they did'nt get the rest..

or the old bill who fucked it up..

and this is why i think whenever we talk about the subject we have to be very very careful...

I personally knew stephen and i know the lawrence's very well... doreen is one of the strongest women i know...

we know all who did it, it was a fairly open secret in east and south east london who did.... and some have still got theirs coming to them"
did in ur opinion the people who are in prison are the ones iv seen several documentries on this subject and the hidden camera footage ws awful they wer nasty fuckers bt i new luke night and he seemed very quiet and harmless

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"A former undercover police officer says he was ordered to infiltrate the Stephen Lawrence campaign in 1993, the Guardian has reported.

Peter Francis told the newspaper and Channel 4's Dispatches programme he posed as an anti-racism campaigner in a hunt for "disinformation" to use against those criticising the police.

The aim was to smear the dead teenager's family, he said."

Whilst nobody would condone a smear campaign, is it reasonable for the cops to look into a victim's or a victim's family background in case there a link to/ reason for the murder?

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


""A former undercover police officer says he was ordered to infiltrate the Stephen Lawrence campaign in 1993, the Guardian has reported.

Peter Francis told the newspaper and Channel 4's Dispatches programme he posed as an anti-racism campaigner in a hunt for "disinformation" to use against those criticising the police.

The aim was to smear the dead teenager's family, he said."

Whilst nobody would condone a smear campaign, is it reasonable for the cops to look into a victim's or a victim's family background in case there a link to/ reason for the murder?

"

I am disgusted the Met found it necessary to put an under cover officer in to infiltrate the Lawrence family and friends on the basis of looking for some dirt on them. Why they deemed this necessary is beyond me and has made me feel sick. God knows how that poor family feels about this after all they have been through.

Theresa May is issuing a statement later today so will be listening to what she has to say and will be interested in tonights Dispatches.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"

Whilst nobody would condone a smear campaign, is it reasonable for the cops to look into a victim's or a victim's family background in case there a link to/ reason for the murder?

"

I can accept them investigating Stephen's background, but to do it just because they were labelled as incompetent is shocking.

I have been appalled at some of the things that have been unveiled recently about what the police have gotten upto over the years.

Would they have put an undercover officer in any other high profile case? Or was it only for those who were badly treated by the police and spoke out about it?

I find it all disgusting tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is disgusting and beyond belief. But there will be a lot of officers disgusted also as they will be tarred with the same brush. Worrying story.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Sad thing is, following Hillsborough, Menendez et al, cases where the actions of the police have been questionable, all I thought when this story broke was "quells surprise!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sad thing is, following Hillsborough, Menendez et al, cases where the actions of the police have been questionable, all I thought when this story broke was "quells surprise!" "

True, but all these cases are focused on higher up the food chain. Very few people have contact with those departments....your average officer too I imagine.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Have to say I am not that surprised they looked into the family, because they never believed duwayne brooks and put obstacles upon obstacles in the way of the inquiry.... They tried to smear at every point, but they Lawrence family are the one family you couldn't do that with....

They spent time on doing this instead of going after the killers..

I am looking forward to seeing the dispatches programme

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way the Lawrence family has been treated from start to finish is utterly disgusting, yet the have remained dignified throughout and have never stopped fighting for justice for Stephen.

I applaud them, I cant say I could of held it together like they have, their son was murdered and from the get go the police treated them like Stephen was the crimminal and because of them these men have been able to go on and live their lives, commit more crime while Stephen's promising future was brought to an end purely on the colour of his skin. It's well known who those men are and shame on everyone who have covered for them, one day each and every one of them who took part in that and the following cover up will face the consequences of there actions.

I wont be surprised by any info in tonights dispatches thats for sure.

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By *ire_bladeMan
over a year ago

Manchester

This whole thing stinks to high heaven an not just in this case its madness that some 1 can kill over skin colour an im probly generalising here but seems to me the police ever in it or ignore it. My own son is not quite half cast but obviously mixed race an I toight him to never take any crap over his colour as I hate it. A few yrs back now he was walking his gf home a real good looking white girl blond hair blue eyes you get the picture. Any how this gang of 6/8 lads didn't like the fact some 1 of his race was with a pritty white girl an started verbaly abusing them both but to there down fall my lads 6ft8 an well into his mma (cage fighting) so lets say he wasn't to shy giving it back but they carried on whitch ended in them coming to there senses an giving it toes. Sadly after a chase he court 1 of em an dont think I agree with this I dont he went way over the top ended up doing this biget some real damage broke cheak jaw teeth the lot but he far from started this an way out numberd to say the least. Before this he had no record had done nothing wrong in his life 1st offence. His sentance 6 months. Remind me again what was the sentance handed down to that famous kiddie fiddler last wk it just dont figger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Sad thing is, following Hillsborough, Menendez et al, cases where the actions of the police have been questionable, all I thought when this story broke was "quells surprise!" "

Just makes you feel unsafe. who's interests are they safeguarding? Ours or theirs?

The fact that both the Stephen Lawrence and Hillsborough cases has taken so long to get to this point makes the police force's actions more than questionable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Have to say I am not that surprised they looked into the family, because they never believed duwayne brooks and put obstacles upon obstacles in the way of the inquiry.... They tried to smear at every point, but they Lawrence family are the one family you couldn't do that with....

They spent time on doing this instead of going after the killers..

I am looking forward to seeing the dispatches programme "

Are they? When is it on?

I wish I can say I'm surprised but I'm not and they claim they don't have the funds to deal with certain cases and the manpower to carry it out.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"Have to say I am not that surprised they looked into the family, because they never believed duwayne brooks and put obstacles upon obstacles in the way of the inquiry.... They tried to smear at every point, but they Lawrence family are the one family you couldn't do that with....

They spent time on doing this instead of going after the killers..

I am looking forward to seeing the dispatches programme

Are they? When is it on?

I wish I can say I'm surprised but I'm not and they claim they don't have the funds to deal with certain cases and the manpower to carry it out. "

Dispatches is on C4 tonight. I think it's on at 8pm.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc


"Sad thing is, following Hillsborough, Menendez et al, cases where the actions of the police have been questionable, all I thought when this story broke was "quells surprise!"

Just makes you feel unsafe. who's interests are they safeguarding? Ours or theirs?

The fact that both the Stephen Lawrence and Hillsborough cases has taken so long to get to this point makes the police force's actions more than questionable.

"

I guess some has to do with the Freedom of Information and the other law of historic documents.

The Hillsborough case took so long because it was notsupported by any government until the 20th anniversary memorial service, where Andy Burnham said there would be an independent re_iew which resulted in the new report. They are still fighting for the new death inquests and where they will be held.

This new information on the Stephen Lawrence case is from an (I presume now ex) undercover police officer who has worked on various cases.

I find it sad and sickening how the police have handled things.

I was always the one who championed them to my family and friends, now I am very uncertain and it does worry me about trusting them as things unfold. I really do feel for the Lawrence family and friends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Whilst nobody would condone a smear campaign, is it reasonable for the cops to look into a victim's or a victim's family background in case there a link to/ reason for the murder?

I can accept them investigating Stephen's background, but to do it just because they were labelled as incompetent is shocking.

I have been appalled at some of the things that have been unveiled recently about what the police have gotten upto over the years.

Would they have put an undercover officer in any other high profile case? Or was it only for those who were badly treated by the police and spoke out about it?

I find it all disgusting tbh "

All of the above, selling & giving information to newspapers for favourable press, (& who knows what

else is to be revealed?) and this police force which is

obviously corrupt to the core has all this hacked information from the Yanks, at GCHQ!!! This society stinks of something rotten - oh, sorry, I meant to say - 'this DEMOCRATIC society!!! Please excuse my obvious error

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Don't know much about this gangsta St Stephen but I do still mourn for that poor Scottish teen who was skinned alive by a gang of ..... men. Unsuprisingly this horrific story never got the same oxygen of publicity. Ummm, now I wonder why ....

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Don't know much about this gangsta St Stephen but I do still mourn for that poor Scottish teen who was skinned alive by a gang of ..... men. Unsuprisingly this horrific story never got the same oxygen of publicity. Ummm, now I wonder why .... "

Gangsta?.......

This was a normal young lad, doing very well in his education and a regular church attender, as were the rest of his family.

I think you are woefully misinformed....

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


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Gangsta?.......

This was a normal young lad, doing very well in his education and a regular church attender, as were the rest of his family.

I think you are woefully misinformed...."

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. So dig deeper. Look closer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't believe it was 20 yrs ago today that Sgt Pepper formed his lonely hearts club band "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't know much about this gangsta St Stephen but I do still mourn for that poor Scottish teen who was skinned alive by a gang of ..... men. Unsuprisingly this horrific story never got the same oxygen of publicity. Ummm, now I wonder why .... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Don't know much about this gangsta St Stephen but I do still mourn for that poor Scottish teen who was skinned alive by a gang of ..... men. Unsuprisingly this horrific story never got the same oxygen of publicity. Ummm, now I wonder why .... "

I'm not sure if it's possible for a post to be more stupid and offensive than this garbage.

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"

I'm not sure if it's possible for a post to be more stupid and offensive than this garbage."

Or more uninformed & shallow than this one! What part of being skinned alive don't you get? But in fact you've never even heard about this case have you? Cos you don't dig deep do you? Maybe your visor gets in your way too much?

I've posted all I have to say on this now. Do some homework then report back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I'm not sure if it's possible for a post to be more stupid and offensive than this garbage.

Or more uninformed & shallow than this one! What part of being skinned alive don't you get? But in fact you've never even heard about this case have you? Cos you don't dig deep do you? Maybe your visor gets in your way too much?

I've posted all I have to say on this now. Do some homework then report back."

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over a year ago

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Dispatches was shocking enough but some of the comments on here beggar belief.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Animals prefer animals "

now that is funny.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Jesus Christ all mighty is all I have to say...I have never read such shocking statements....

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

I don't have to dig deeper or do any homework, I lived in that part of South East London at the time of the killing.

It was an out and out racist murder, there was no provocation, there was no gang affiliation by either Stephen or the lad he was with that night, it was an unprovoked attack which left an innocent young man with two massive knife wounds from which he bled to death.

Any suggestion otherwise is without foundation whatsoever, to suggest that this young man was a 'Gangsta' is frankly disgraceful....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jesus Christ all mighty is all I have to say...I have never read such shocking statements.... "

gosh your easily shocked then

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I don't have to dig deeper or do any homework, I lived in that part of South East London at the time of the killing.

It was an out and out racist murder, there was no provocation, there was no gang affiliation by either Stephen or the lad he was with that night, it was an unprovoked attack which left an innocent young man with two massive knife wounds from which he bled to death.

Any suggestion otherwise is without foundation whatsoever, to suggest that this young man was a 'Gangsta' is frankly disgraceful...."

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Jesus Christ all mighty is all I have to say...I have never read such shocking statements....

gosh your easily shocked then "

No just disgusted

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Dispatches was shocking enough but some of the comments on here beggar belief.

"

I'm not surprised to be honest.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jesus Christ all mighty is all I have to say...I have never read such shocking statements....

gosh your easily shocked then

No just disgusted "

you live and learn.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Don't know much about this gangsta St Stephen but I do still mourn for that poor Scottish teen who was skinned alive by a gang of ..... men. Unsuprisingly this horrific story never got the same oxygen of publicity. Ummm, now I wonder why .... "

let me tell you about the "gangsta" you call stephen... because I knew him...

he was in the year below me at school, and actually one of the nicest kids that you ever wish the meet... good at sport and played footie and basketball against him,

he wanted to be an architech... which is what he was going to do at university... and actually wouldn't harm a fly....

and that is why the whole of east and south east london were appalled by what happen, because he was the furthest thing from "gangsta" as you like to put it.....

you want to have a proper chat about it... let me know, you can have it here or in pm if you so wish.... I can tell you about the family as many people here know i know them fairly well... I have said on many occasions that doreen is one of the strongest women I have had the fortune to know in my life, and if I ever need to talk she is there like a rock....

so personally, I don't take too kindly to your ignorance on the matter... sometimes it is better not to show it than to have it broadcast to the world...

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dispatches was shocking enough but some of the comments on here beggar belief.

"

"Saint Stephen" is the preferred term of abuse for Stephen Lawrence by the BNP and various other extremist nutters. I think that tells us all we need to know.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"Jesus Christ all mighty is all I have to say...I have never read such shocking statements....

gosh your easily shocked then

No just disgusted

you live and learn."

You obviously don't learn.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Jesus Christ all mighty is all I have to say...I have never read such shocking statements....

gosh your easily shocked then

No just disgusted

you live and learn.

You obviously don't learn....."

yes and neither do you .

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By *hris148Man
over a year ago

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"I don't have to dig deeper or do any homework, I lived in that part of South East London at the time of the killing.

It was an out and out racist murder, there was no provocation, there was no gang affiliation by either Stephen or the lad he was with that night, it was an unprovoked attack which left an innocent young man with two massive knife wounds from which he bled to death.

Any suggestion otherwise is without foundation whatsoever, to suggest that this young man was a 'Gangsta' is frankly disgraceful...."

I was also living up the road at the time, and there was no way that there was a gang link, Stephen was an utterly innocent victim. I just wish the investigation at the time had been handled and led correctly.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Jesus Christ all mighty is all I have to say...I have never read such shocking statements....

gosh your easily shocked then

No just disgusted

you live and learn.

You obviously don't learn.....

yes and neither do you ."

absolute ignorance.... there are no many people on here I block, but seeing this type of stupidity makes me reaffirm when I do for special cases...

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Dispatches was shocking enough but some of the comments on here beggar belief.

"Saint Stephen" is the preferred term of abuse for Stephen Lawrence by the BNP and various other extremist nutters. I think that tells us all we need to know."

I'm aware of the term. What I find so disturbing and distasteful is that people choose to use it on here. They will no doubt argue their freedom of speech crock of shit which seems to justify everything from disrespect to the most vile and offensive _iews possible.

But then I'm just a politically correct do-gooder. What do I know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dispatches was shocking enough but some of the comments on here beggar belief.

"Saint Stephen" is the preferred term of abuse for Stephen Lawrence by the BNP and various other extremist nutters. I think that tells us all we need to know.

I'm aware of the term. What I find so disturbing and distasteful is that people choose to use it on here. They will no doubt argue their freedom of speech crock of shit which seems to justify everything from disrespect to the most vile and offensive _iews possible.

But then I'm just a politically correct do-gooder. What do I know?"

you said it.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

What did come out of Stephens murder was the overriding feeling of disgust and anger amongst the vast majority of people living in South East London at the time. It didn't matter what colour people were, they were all equally shocked and angered at the time of his death.

Many thousands of Londoners marched through Eltham high street on the Saturday following the murder, people of all colours, all disgusted with what had happened to this innocent young man.

The family of Stephen have conducted themselves with incredible grace and honour all these years after, it is offensive to suggest that their son was anything but a totally innocent victim.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

This thread progressed as I knew it would.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread progressed as I knew it would. "

well done.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"This thread progressed as I knew it would. "

It was started 25 weeks ago. I wonder what has changed on here in that time?

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"This thread progressed as I knew it would.

well done. "

You are sounding so childish with your posts and very unsavoury.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"What did come out of Stephens murder was the overriding feeling of disgust and anger amongst the vast majority of people living in South East London at the time. It didn't matter what colour people were, they were all equally shocked and angered at the time of his death.

Many thousands of Londoners marched through Eltham high street on the Saturday following the murder, people of all colours, all disgusted with what had happened to this innocent young man.

The family of Stephen have conducted themselves with incredible grace and honour all these years after, it is offensive to suggest that their son was anything but a totally innocent victim."

Moreover, the system and the police have actively ensured that justice has been hard to get. Yet they, the family, still maintain their dignity and have care and compassion for others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being offended by attempts to discredit the memory of an 18-year-old kid who was viciously stabbed in he street is not being politically correct. Its being human.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To blame politicians for someone murdering another person is ridiculous. The murderers chose to kill not because of anything else.

They and they alone are responsible for their actions and instead of blaming politicians the anger should be aimed at the criminals.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

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By *heScotandthegirlCouple
over a year ago

London & Edinburgh

Again an emotive subject...

No police officer should ever have been tasked with trying to smear the Lawrence family.

What happened to them was heartbreaking, they lost a precious son, who i hope is RIP.

Culture/society etc is often used as an excuse but should never be!

Satify_jane.. i agree! People of all races react the same.

I'm no moral high ground person, but just kinda like the idea that one day all people will be equal x

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i just say ignore those people... I know its hard to, and even I bite on this particular subject because it is one close to be...

at the end of the day, you are never going to change to opinions of "the fringe" because it doesn't tie in with their agenda....

again the invite is there to talk if you want to find out the real stephen.. unless you are going to call me a "gangsta" as well.. I doubt it will be taken up...I'll unblock if you want to

turn the other cheek in the face of provication....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're not even worthy of talking about, let alone to!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people who hate someone because of the colour of their skin are ignorant beyond belief and dont have the sense they were born with, therefore their opinion isnt worth the time of day,logically it doesnt make sense, they ignore blatant facts in order to suit their own agenda and think if they say it often enough people will catch on.

Most normal folk arent stupid though and can spot them a mile off, as demonstrated in this thread.

Arguing with a racist is like trying to stick jelly to a wall, total waste of time. I pity them to be honest, to be so hateful, what dark hearts they must have (scuse the pun)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people who hate someone because of the colour of their skin are ignorant beyond belief and dont have the sense they were born with, therefore their opinion isnt worth the time of day,logically it doesnt make sense, they ignore blatant facts in order to suit their own agenda and think if they say it often enough people will catch on.

Most normal folk arent stupid though and can spot them a mile off, as demonstrated in this thread.

Arguing with a racist is like trying to stick jelly to a wall, total waste of time. I pity them to be honest, to be so hateful, what dark hearts they must have (scuse the pun)"

It's hard to ignore when some of them have warrant cards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think its just a shame that more and more shit gets raked up. Shame on the police for the handling of this, it reinforces everything I feel about them.

Will this lad ever rest in peace, or will there always be a steady trickle of police incompetence that keeps him in the headlines?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"

Will this lad ever rest in peace?"

My thoughts everytime his name gets raked up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Will this lad ever rest in peace?

My thoughts everytime his name gets raked up. "

Wow is he the only person who has ever been killed and it come back into the news! I am totally shocked at that!

Its a sad situation but then so is Jill Dando, Keith Bennett to name but 2 that have been repeatedly mentioned and lets not forget Lee Rigby but I guess after your previous comments on here he doesn't count.

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Admin,

Can we have a emoticon where it's a face with the mouth zipped up

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village


"

Will this lad ever rest in peace?

My thoughts everytime his name gets raked up.

Wow is he the only person who has ever been killed and it come back into the news! I am totally shocked at that!

Its a sad situation but then so is Jill Dando, Keith Bennett to name but 2 that have been repeatedly mentioned and lets not forget Lee Rigby but I guess after your previous comments on here he doesn't count. "

Jill Dando was murdered by someone the reasons behind it are still unknown. Keith Bennett was murdered by Brady / Hindley. Both tragic and both investigated to the best of the Mets ability.

Let me put this in capitals so it's clear.....

STEPHEN LAWRENCE WAS MURDERED FOR BEING BLACK & THE GUILTY GOT AWAY WITH IT DUE TO A MISHANDLED INVESTIGATION BY THE MET WHO (ALLEGEDLY) WERE LOOKING TO FRAME AND SMEAR HIS FAMILY TO DISCREDIT THEM FROM THE START.

Hope that helps

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

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"

Will this lad ever rest in peace?

My thoughts everytime his name gets raked up. "

But isn't what what his mum wants ? For things not to be brushed under the carpet? I am sure she wouldn't have wanted the latest bit of news to be stashed away somewhere instead of it making news.

I think the likes of this news should be broadcast, just to show what disgusting things happened to this poor family.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lately I try and stay out if such controversial threads but alas....

As has been highlighted, all murders are abhorrent crimes...fact.

The unique factor regarding Stephen was that he was targeted based on his colour. As such this is different to other murders where they have a more specific motive.

To placate those who seem to want to argue this murder is no different to others.....well if it was a random attack based on any ethnicity, race, religion, etc then yes it would equally have been as bad.

The boy was murdered because of his skin colour....end of......it doesn't get much more pointless and awful and horrid than that.

And god only knows why it was such a cock up after, but its inexcusable and a sad reflection of society.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


" The boy was murdered because of his skin colour....end of......it doesn't get much more pointless and awful and horrid than that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like cousteau I had promised myself I would keep off this thread - however I've just read something that I feel I simply must comment upon. There is a comment about other people, innocent people, murdered and almost as if they are being compared....

Surely any innocent person brutally murdered like the four mentioned, Jill Dando, Drummer Lee Rigby, Keith Bennett and Stephen Lawrence are equally important as human beings. Regardless of age, gender, skin colour or occupation.

When do we as a society stop thinking one person is more important than another, we are all born into this world with potential to do whatever we want, why should our appearance be limiting or make one person better than the other?

We must educate our children and future generations on equality. That we are all born equal and are equal in this world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what's the reason for banning combat knives, I'm sure most of us have an arsenal of knives in our kitchens that can cause just as much damage

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Just for one moment think how you would feel if your son was killed. Ignore all of the issue of colour for now. He's your son.

Then you find out that the police know who did it but choose not to pursue them. Then the police do follow up because you are rightly asking what's going on. Then they mis-handle the case. Many years later you still don't have justice, but new evidence comes to light. You have to re-live it and hear the case. Some are convicted but you know from the case etc. others are still living their lives, working, having children of their own but were involved in killing your son.

A bit more time passes and you find out that instead of pursuing your son's killers the police used their time and resources to listen in on your conversations, seeking ways to make you look like the bad guys. How do feel?

Lee Rugby is a recent case and has had lots of coverage. It's been aired here on the forum without anyone comparing his death to Stephen's. Why anyone wants to make the comparison as if there is some sort of league table I just do not understand.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" A bit more time passes and you find out that instead of pursuing your son's killers the police used their time and resources to listen in on your conversations, seeking ways to make you look like the bad guys. How do feel?

................."

How would you feel if there had been stuff in those conversations which could have proved, with the emphasis on PROVED, who carried out the crime and the cops hadn't bothered listening?

Half the country is jumping up and down in fury about GCHQ allegedly tapping conversations and emails and the other half want to know why the authorities don't know about things like the north west of England grooming gangs and Lee Rugby's murder and murderers BEFORE it happens.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


" A bit more time passes and you find out that instead of pursuing your son's killers the police used their time and resources to listen in on your conversations, seeking ways to make you look like the bad guys. How do feel?

.................

How would you feel if there had been stuff in those conversations which could have proved, with the emphasis on PROVED, who carried out the crime and the cops hadn't bothered listening?

Half the country is jumping up and down in fury about GCHQ allegedly tapping conversations and emails and the other half want to know why the authorities don't know about things like the north west of England grooming gangs and Lee Rugby's murder and murderers BEFORE it happens."

If all sides are being taped for leads that's another matter. To do it to discredit a family and within the confines of legal privilege is another. Withholding evidence from the McPherson Enquiry, as is also alleged helps the criminal investigation of a murder how?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Like cousteau I had promised myself I would keep off this thread - however I've just read something that I feel I simply must comment upon. There is a comment about other people, innocent people, murdered and almost as if they are being compared....

Surely any innocent person brutally murdered like the four mentioned, Jill Dando, Drummer Lee Rigby, Keith Bennett and Stephen Lawrence are equally important as human beings. Regardless of age, gender, skin colour or occupation.

When do we as a society stop thinking one person is more important than another, we are all born into this world with potential to do whatever we want, why should our appearance be limiting or make one person better than the other?

We must educate our children and future generations on equality. That we are all born equal and are equal in this world."

You're quite right, no persons life is more important....we all have a right to life. I was trying to address the fact the comments made earlier about why this murder has had so much publicity.

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

I understand that the police can tap phones to investigate a family in case they have a suspect, for example Tia Sharpe. But to tap a family's line just to find something to use against them, because they have rightly stood up and spoke out against the police who cocked up the whole enquiry, to the extent a new law was passed (the double jepordy ?spell?) is frankly sickening.

To eavesdrop on a witness having a confidential meeting with their solicitor is illegal never mind unethical.

I am sickened by it all.

How Doreen Lawrence and her family feel right now I can't begin to imagine.

I hope one day they get the chance to let Stephen rest in peace, without finding out more bull shit about the investigation into their innocent son's death.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" A bit more time passes and you find out that instead of pursuing your son's killers the police used their time and resources to listen in on your conversations, seeking ways to make you look like the bad guys. How do feel?

.................

How would you feel if there had been stuff in those conversations which could have proved, with the emphasis on PROVED, who carried out the crime and the cops hadn't bothered listening?

Half the country is jumping up and down in fury about GCHQ allegedly tapping conversations and emails and the other half want to know why the authorities don't know about things like the north west of England grooming gangs and Lee Rugby's murder and murderers BEFORE it happens.

If all sides are being taped for leads that's another matter. To do it to discredit a family and within the confines of legal privilege is another. Withholding evidence from the McPherson Enquiry, as is also alleged helps the criminal investigation of a murder how?"

I agree. All sides involved in a serious criminal case should be investigated/ monitored lest there be aspects of their lives which might shed light on motives or culprits.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"

Will this lad ever rest in peace?

My thoughts everytime his name gets raked up.

But isn't what what his mum wants ? For things not to be brushed under the carpet? I am sure she wouldn't have wanted the latest bit of news to be stashed away somewhere instead of it making news.

I think the likes of this news should be broadcast, just to show what disgusting things happened to this poor family."

My point is, when you think it's over and the family can try and move on something else comes up.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"

How Doreen Lawrence and her family feel right now I can't begin to imagine.

I hope one day they get the chance to let Stephen rest in peace, without finding out more bull shit about the investigation into their innocent son's death.

"

The point I was making!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the suspects' father was a police informer - that's why they turned a blind eye. These cops involved should go down for that - but it rarely happens in a police state, unfortunately!!

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"i just say ignore those people... I know its hard to, and even I bite on this particular subject because it is one close to be...

at the end of the day, you are never going to change to opinions of "the fringe" because it doesn't tie in with their agenda....

again the invite is there to talk if you want to find out the real stephen.. unless you are going to call me a "gangsta" as well.. I doubt it will be taken up...I'll unblock if you want to

turn the other cheek in the face of provication...."

Not sure where any of your extrapolations herald from.

No-one has done their homework. No-one has passed a simple English comprehension test.

My post was actually about two other vital matters.

First, the worst racist murder in British history, the murder of Kriss Donald

Second, look it up and ask yourselves

why you know nothing about it.

Then you will understand my post and be able to forgive yourselves your earlier blood lust.

Go in peace

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

Not sure where any of your extrapolations herald from.

No-one has done their homework. No-one has passed a simple English comprehension test.

My post was actually about two other vital matters.

First, the worst racist murder in British history, the murder of Kriss Donald

Second, look it up and ask yourselves

why you know nothing about it.

Then you will understand my post and be able to forgive yourselves your earlier blood lust.

Go in peace "

your post almost makes me laugh because you seem to suffer from "selective memory loss".... especially worrying since the bit you seem to forget about is a bit further up in the thread..

so let me help you remember....

"Don't know much about this gangsta St Stephen"

1. if you don't know anything about the case or the person, why disrespect someone in this manner by calling them a gangsta

2. you wonder why the language that you used, which is well known to be used by people with certain political _iews, take offense?

3. as someone who did know about the person you are mocking, he was the furthest thing from what you are suggesting.....

you want to make a case about another matter.. here is an idea, start another thread about it....

like i said before to both you and gemma.... you want to know what stephen was truely like, we can have that conversation here... or my inbox is there, I will take off blocks to do it..... but don't disparage someone you have no idea about....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I confess that I didn't know much about the kriss Donald murder, and quite possibly it does fit the criteria of the worst racial murder in British history.

But highlighting it in such a manner starts that seed of division, the suggestion that some are treated differently than others.

The Stephen Lawrence case also sadly hightlighted misgivings in the investigation after and the latest scandals hence huge media interest.

In the end the perpetrators would find some reasons to carry out their crimes, be it opposing football fan, accent, sexuality etc.

This shouldn't be about being black, white, Asian etc, its simply about the way we act as people towards others.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Not sure where any of your extrapolations herald from.

No-one has done their homework. No-one has passed a simple English comprehension test.

My post was actually about two other vital matters.

First, the worst racist murder in British history, the murder of Kriss Donald

Second, look it up and ask yourselves

why you know nothing about it.

Then you will understand my post and be able to forgive yourselves your earlier blood lust.

Go in peace

your post almost makes me laugh because you seem to suffer from "selective memory loss".... especially worrying since the bit you seem to forget about is a bit further up in the thread..

so let me help you remember....

"Don't know much about this gangsta St Stephen"

1. if you don't know anything about the case or the person, why disrespect someone in this manner by calling them a gangsta

2. you wonder why the language that you used, which is well known to be used by people with certain political _iews, take offense?

3. as someone who did know about the person you are mocking, he was the furthest thing from what you are suggesting.....

you want to make a case about another matter.. here is an idea, start another thread about it....

like i said before to both you and gemma.... you want to know what stephen was truely like, we can have that conversation here... or my inbox is there, I will take off blocks to do it..... but don't disparage someone you have no idea about...."

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The Kriss Donald murder was awful and deserved more coverage. I don't know why it didn't get better coverage in 2004, other than anger at war possibly overshadowing the story.

That said, there isn't a league table of comparison or compassion on murder. This thread is about Stephen Lawrence and the issues about the investigation of his murder that continue to reveal more bad practice.

Showing disrespect for a young man who was killed does not validate the death of another young man killed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels."

notice in the donald case...the fact that all the people were convicted within 18 months... that there was co-operation from all agencies and government and police....

slight difference between 18months and 18 years..

and the fact the police protected the people who did it, and obstructed

and the fact that it took 3 different govenments to finally apologise to the family...

but hey... they want to say its the same... sounds it!!!

and then people wonder why when people call him something as derogotory as "st.stephen" and call him "gangsta"..... people are annoyed at comparisons...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

notice in the donald case...the fact that all the people were convicted within 18 months... that there was co-operation from all agencies and government and police....

slight difference between 18months and 18 years..

and the fact the police protected the people who did it, and obstructed

and the fact that it took 3 different govenments to finally apologise to the family...

but hey... they want to say its the same... sounds it!!!

and then people wonder why when people call him something as derogotory as "st.stephen" and call him "gangsta"..... people are annoyed at comparisons...

"

Could the difference be Scotland and England?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

notice in the donald case...the fact that all the people were convicted within 18 months... that there was co-operation from all agencies and government and police....

slight difference between 18months and 18 years..

and the fact the police protected the people who did it, and obstructed

and the fact that it took 3 different govenments to finally apologise to the family...

but hey... they want to say its the same... sounds it!!!

and then people wonder why when people call him something as derogotory as "st.stephen" and call him "gangsta"..... people are annoyed at comparisons...

Could the difference be Scotland and England?"

It could be. It could be because policing improved following the Lawrence case. It could be because one was a black youth set on by a white gang and the other was a white youth set on by an Asian gang. I don't know. There was a difference. Both boys dead but the families have received different treatment.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The Kriss Donald murder was awful and deserved more coverage. I don't know why it didn't get better coverage in 2004, other than anger at war possibly overshadowing the story. "

It was extensively covered in Scotland and in Glasgow especially.

Glasgow, rightly or wrongly, has prided itself on a high level of racial tolerance in recent years.


" That said, there isn't a league table of comparison or compassion on murder. This thread is about Stephen Lawrence and the issues about the investigation of his murder that continue to reveal more bad practice.

............."

Except that in reality there is a league re the 'unacceptability' of murder depending on the victim. A child murdered by a parent is deemed to be higher up the scale in terms of compassion than, say, a drug dealer killed by aother drug dealer.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"The Kriss Donald murder was awful and deserved more coverage. I don't know why it didn't get better coverage in 2004, other than anger at war possibly overshadowing the story.

It was extensively covered in Scotland and in Glasgow especially.

Glasgow, rightly or wrongly, has prided itself on a high level of racial tolerance in recent years.

That said, there isn't a league table of comparison or compassion on murder. This thread is about Stephen Lawrence and the issues about the investigation of his murder that continue to reveal more bad practice.

.............

Except that in reality there is a league re the 'unacceptability' of murder depending on the victim. A child murdered by a parent is deemed to be higher up the scale in terms of compassion than, say, a drug dealer killed by aother drug dealer."

There are always those that loved and cared for them left behind. I find it sad that people lose compassion and forget about the living.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Both boys dead but the families have received different treatment.

partly..in the fact they got all the people in the donald case in a fairly swift manner.. and that people were extridited.....

in the lawrence case they had to wait 18 years and 2 different public enquiries before they partly got any justice..... I say partly because there as still others who haven't gotten theirs yet....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels."

So, why didn't the 'certain' above open a thread in his name rather than rant on this one? That says everything!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

So, why didn't the 'certain' above open a thread in his name rather than rant on this one? That says everything!!! "

Not for me to decide.

I Haven't actually read the original posting on Kriss Donald, only a couple of replies.

I started at the bottom, then searched for news on Kriss, then posted.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

So, why didn't the 'certain' above open a thread in his name rather than rant on this one? That says everything!!! "

thats my point... but heck, waiting to see if i get called a gangsta myself now.....

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By *uriousBristolCplCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"I can't believe it was 20 yrs ago today that Sgt Pepper formed his lonely hearts club band "

Maybe I'm being touchy but find your glib & Crass response incredibly insensitive indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't believe it was 20 yrs ago today that Sgt Pepper formed his lonely hearts club band

Maybe I'm being touchy but find your glib & Crass response incredibly insensitive indeed "

TBH, That's partly why I only came into this thread so late, I took a look when the thread was first posted, with only a few replies at the time, I noticed that reply and decided to stay away.

I'd forgot about that this time around and jumped in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I can't believe it was 20 yrs ago today that Sgt Pepper formed his lonely hearts club band

Maybe I'm being touchy but find your glib & Crass response incredibly insensitive indeed "

that was 25weeks ago btw...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

So, why didn't the 'certain' above open a thread in his name rather than rant on this one? That says everything!!! "

because he wanted to be rebellious and controversial

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of the early posters was also a very early poster in the thread: It's refugee weof - stating something along the lines of; 'i prefer animals'!!! -

Says it all, & as the Yanks say; PERIOD!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would like to say sorry to Fabio, i didnt realy think stephen lawrence was a gangsta.

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By *inky BunnyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

Heck, waiting to see if i get called a gangsta myself now..... "

I'm very pleased with you all and I'm thrilled you've all been able to broaden your horizons on racist murders in this country. My work here is nearly done.

No-one here will be labelled a gangsta unless you post a pic of yoursef doing the Black Power salute as S.Lawrence did on that ubiquitous pic of him in the navy blue/white striped top. Ask google for the EXPANDED VIEW of this pic & his salute will be revealed.

This brings us back to my original question : why does the Press do this in the Lawrence case over & over & over again (i.e canonised, as in saint, St.) but Donald, the worst racist murder in British history, is forgotten.

You haven't solved it yet. But you're on the move

PS try & avoid emotional or emotive outbursts. We're trying to establish facts here not win a 'debate' (so-called)

Above all, have fun & happy shagging, yea baby, yea (my g/f is Zambian)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

Heck, waiting to see if i get called a gangsta myself now.....

I'm very pleased with you all and I'm thrilled you've all been able to broaden your horizons on racist murders in this country. My work here is nearly done.

No-one here will be labelled a gangsta unless you post a pic of yoursef doing the Black Power salute as S.Lawrence did on that ubiquitous pic of him in the navy blue/white striped top. Ask google for the EXPANDED VIEW of this pic & his salute will be revealed.

This brings us back to my original question : why does the Press do this in the Lawrence case over & over & over again (i.e canonised, as in saint, St.) but Donald, the worst racist murder in British history, is forgotten.

You haven't solved it yet. But you're on the move

PS try & avoid emotional or emotive outbursts. We're trying to establish facts here not win a 'debate' (so-called)

Above all, have fun & happy shagging, yea baby, yea (my g/f is Zambian)"

Your girlfriend is zambian. sorry thats not good enough i tried that one, and aparantly i am still a racist.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"Until this thread, I wasn't aware of the Kriss Donald Murder.

Shocking on so many levels.

Heck, waiting to see if i get called a gangsta myself now.....

I'm very pleased with you all and I'm thrilled you've all been able to broaden your horizons on racist murders in this country. My work here is nearly done.

No-one here will be labelled a gangsta unless you post a pic of yoursef doing the Black Power salute as S.Lawrence did on that ubiquitous pic of him in the navy blue/white striped top. Ask google for the EXPANDED VIEW of this pic & his salute will be revealed.

This brings us back to my original question : why does the Press do this in the Lawrence case over & over & over again (i.e canonised, as in saint, St.) but Donald, the worst racist murder in British history, is forgotten.

You haven't solved it yet. But you're on the move

PS try & avoid emotional or emotive outbursts. We're trying to establish facts here not win a 'debate' (so-called)

Above all, have fun & happy shagging, yea baby, yea (my g/f is Zambian)"

Why not start a separate thread on Kriss Donald??

As to the Black Power Salute - why is that gansta for you? Tommy Smith is one of my heroes and I'm proud to say so.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

I can't understand how the black salute is connected to "gangsta"

I thought the black salute was understood as an act of solidarity with all those fighting for greater equality, justice and human rights

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The cases of Stephen and Kriss are miles apart, yes both were racially motivated, but one included a police force bent on doing everything in their power not to fully investigate the murder, in fact certain officers went way out of their way to do the opposite and made great efforts to derail the investigation....alleged corruption has been mooted as a reason.

In the other the police actively investigated the equally horrific murder, brought the men responsible to justice, in an efficient and forceful manner.

Glasgow police were commended by the judge for their investigation.

So miles apart in my book....

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

if you google the picture in question, anyone calling it a black salute would be actually quite laughable... the words i used was "is that it?? really....."

i was fully expecting something really out there... not something most teenage kids did in our day... and still do now....

I've see grannies celebrate winning at the bingo doing more menacing stuff....

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"I can't understand how the black salute is connected to "gangsta"

I thought the black salute was understood as an act of solidarity with all those fighting for greater equality, justice and human rights"

That's what I thought but it would seem if a young black man uses it, or anything that could possibly look like it, then they can be classed as a gansta.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"if you google the picture in question, anyone calling it a black salute would be actually quite laughable... the words i used was "is that it?? really....."

i was fully expecting something really out there... not something most teenage kids did in our day... and still do now....

I've see grannies celebrate winning at the bingo doing more menacing stuff...."

Is that what David Walliams' book, Gangsta Granny, is about?

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