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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

?

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

Nope

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"?"

How about you OP?

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By *.T.Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

I have a classic car that is 60 years old that still runs fine. Why would I scrap it for a car that will need scrapped in 10 years time when the battery is fecked?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years"

^^^ this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, once the UK reaches 30% EV the government will introduce a tax to cover infrastructure and road repair based on weight. All savings will be out the window and EVs will be the next diesels.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

I have nothing against EVs, and at some point in the future legislation will probably mean I need one. But I don’t *want* one. I’ve never bought a new car in my life and I don’t mean to start now (until I’m forced to).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Picking mine up on Thursday… but apprehensive but hey like to embrace new tech …. Although I’ve got a pretty much unused mini disc player in the loft ….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The price gouging will be criminal so I would hope that it is regulated.

Just look at the uproar when prices were slashed by thousands to clear down stock around New Year.

And for resale, are manufacturers going to replace batteries every 5+ years for long term use of the vehicle or is that going to make older EV unsellable?

It's a minefield of issues for the long term.

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By *reakbedsnotheartsMan
over a year ago

bedford

No1 buy the pug electric or Vauxhall your spend your time at a charger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Got a plug in hybrid.. absolutely love it. Woukd definitely go full electric

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By *elix SightedMan
over a year ago

Cloud 8


"Picking mine up on Thursday… but apprehensive but hey like to embrace new tech …. Although I’ve got a pretty much unused mini disc player in the loft …."

You're gonna need a bigger loft hatch...

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

Nope. I rent so I won't be able to charge one at home and there are no charging points anywhere near where I live or work.And there would be no way I would pay to put a charging point into a house I rent and landlords won't either. I couldn't afford to anyhow nor could I afford a new car.

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By *icassolifelikeMan
over a year ago

Luton

No point now. All the incentives are gone compared to even 2 years ago, and comparing the price to electric and petrol the gaps somewhat shrunk.

I’d wait for another year or so when electricity’s back to being £200 a quarter! Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would but saw the documentary about mining more and more rare minerals that cause more pollution and environmental damage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Picking mine up on Thursday… but apprehensive but hey like to embrace new tech …. Although I’ve got a pretty much unused mini disc player in the loft ….

You're gonna need a bigger loft hatch..."

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

I've got an electric car & would certainly get another.

IF i wasn't able to charge at home then, id go down the hybrid route.

I can fully understand peoples reluctance to embrace them.

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By *hogun300Man
over a year ago

Dundee

Not until I have no choice.

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Nope. The infrastructure isn't in place. People how brought Tesla's must feel fullish since musk sliced £9000 off the residual value

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By *ottom charlieMan
over a year ago

washington


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very much doubt it, if you are somewhere maybe in the country side and they run out of charge and go flat you cannot use use another car to put power into the battery or tow the car to a charging point it has to go on the back of a transporter at a cost of £150-£200 and it not an accident so your insurance would not cover it or a breakdown company either,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for another 5 years or so

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By *umseekerMan
over a year ago

montrose

Did 50k miles in mine nothing different … worst thing about it is listening to people who have never owned one telling you what it’s like to own one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon that by the time the infrastructure and technology would be conductive to have electric cars I would be too old to drive

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By *illiam101000Man
over a year ago

Melton Mowbray

Cannot home charge so no point and hopefully technology will improve range but doughtfull as lithium batteries are the only option at the moment. So I'm waiting.

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By *ertcamembertMan
over a year ago

Reading area


"Nope"
No, safety issues with the batteries and charging concern me

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By *ent in BlackMan
over a year ago

Silsden

Yes, if…

I could rely on fast charging on an excellent network.

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By *stoppMan
over a year ago

Durham

Can you imagine the amount of chargers required if just London went fully electric tomorrow, multi story flats would need hundreds of them, car lined up for hours.

I believe china makes most of the batteries, fall out with China and its another source and demand issue again.

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By *ent in BlackMan
over a year ago

Silsden


"Can you imagine the amount of chargers required if just London went fully electric tomorrow, multi story flats would need hundreds of them, car lined up for hours.

I believe china makes most of the batteries, fall out with China and its another source and demand issue again. "

I think it’s being run out way too fast.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Insane prices, non existent infrastructure, exorbitant energy costs, technology issues - what's the catch

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By *.T.Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

Synthetic fuels are the answer.

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

I currently have a hybrid.

In away - it's the best of both worlds.

Driving locally is cheap because I can get 30 miles out of the battery.

Long trips I can use the diesel engine.

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Like others have said - the infrastructure needs to be much better.

By the time it is hydrogen cars will have taken over.

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By *ralextacyMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I have (lease) saving a lot on fuel in comparison. Only issue is range and charging infrastructure if you want to get anywhere.

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By *.R.MMan
over a year ago

Norfolk

Yes, but electric cars are only a stop gap

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

I think the whole battery replacement issue is the biggest worry from me, I have seen some service bills from the US where they’ve been charge $25,000 to replace the batteries on a Tesla, maybe that’s all a load of BS but it makes me wary. ((Note I do hear that batteries don’t need replacing until the 200,000+ mile mark))

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No because they hav brought back child sl a v ery in Africa through mining they have a carbon footprint of a 2lt diesel. They are charged with coal/gas power stations and you don't get the milage they claim. Not to mention the lack of chargers and even worse the chargers that don't work. I'm sure apart from that their great

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By *osaint1971Couple
over a year ago

Near Taunton

Much better for the environment to buy a second hand petrol car and run into the ground. There are still 1950s car in Cuba, they keep them running as they have no choice.

Oil will never run out but its price will go up if it ever gets scarce.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields

If I was buying a new car, I would like an electric. It suits me as most of my driving is in the city. I have nowhere to charge it though.

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By *nselfishpleaserMan
over a year ago

kent

Full electric, no. Petrol hybrid, yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Already have. Amazing no issues recharging

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"Much better for the environment to buy a second hand petrol car and run into the ground. There are still 1950s car in Cuba, they keep them running as they have no choice.

Oil will never run out but its price will go up if it ever gets scarce."

Fossil fuels are finite. Oil will run out, and will become increasingly expensive as it does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think the whole battery replacement issue is the biggest worry from me, I have seen some service bills from the US where they’ve been charge $25,000 to replace the batteries on a Tesla, maybe that’s all a load of BS but it makes me wary. ((Note I do hear that batteries don’t need replacing until the 200,000+ mile mark)) "

There was that guy in the news because his brand new one needed a replacement battery because of a fault and Tesla refused to replace the battery over some technicality. It was about the same price as the car so he blew it up

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"?

How about you OP?"

No. I've been looking at getting another van. The electric vans cost a lot more than the diesels and they have little towing capacity, also can only carry around a quarter the weight of my old van.. and for some journeys I would need to charge it daily, where's with my current van, I fill up once and that can keep me going for a few days atleast.

So for these reasons I'm out.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"?

How about you OP?

No. I've been looking at getting another van. The electric vans cost a lot more than the diesels and they have little towing capacity, also can only carry around a quarter the weight of my old van.. and for some journeys I would need to charge it daily, where's with my current van, I fill up once and that can keep me going for a few days atleast.

So for these reasons I'm out. "

When you put it like that it seems the technology is years behind when it comes to making a working vehicle electric.

Seems odd they have the space to load weight but can't cope with it.

The Hairy Bikers did their most recent show on brand new electric motor bikes, that seemed to work well.

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By *quirtyndirty!Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham

EV's are a bridging technology to not having a car.

A political sleight-of-hand.

That's why the discussions about resources use and charging stations are misleading.

The political trajectory has always been to abolish private transport.

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By *eadjeyecMan
over a year ago

Bucks/London

Would like to but factors that are against it at the moment; cost, infrastructure, for example where I live we have 1 public charging station within the town and next public one is 8 miles away. Once the cost of them gets to the same if not cheaper than “normal” cars the switch will be rapid for most people I believe

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

No. Combustion engine until the day I die.

The mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can it do click and collect?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No. Combustion engine until the day I die.

The mr "

Yes. I'll be buying one just before they stop selling them so that I can be petrol driven for as long as possible

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By *quirtyndirty!Couple
over a year ago

Nottingham


"Would like to but factors that are against it at the moment; cost, infrastructure, for example where I live we have 1 public charging station within the town and next public one is 8 miles away. Once the cost of them gets to the same if not cheaper than “normal” cars the switch will be rapid for most people I believe "

They will never be cheaper on average than ICE cars.

That's why they picked renewables and EV's to make the 'transition' with. The scarcity of precious metals necessary and limited ability to mine them will make them more expensive. That's why workable transition solutions like nuclear have been so opposed.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

No, did you also know that some ferries dont allow them because of the increased fire risk.

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By *ertcamembertMan
over a year ago

Reading area


"I think the whole battery replacement issue is the biggest worry from me, I have seen some service bills from the US where they’ve been charge $25,000 to replace the batteries on a Tesla, maybe that’s all a load of BS but it makes me wary. ((Note I do hear that batteries don’t need replacing until the 200,000+ mile mark))

There was that guy in the news because his brand new one needed a replacement battery because of a fault and Tesla refused to replace the battery over some technicality. It was about the same price as the car so he blew it up "

On you tube I saw a video from a guy in Finland who had his one blown to pieces. He bought it second hand and when the battery started to fail he was outraged at the price Tesla wanted to charge him for a new battery. He also put an effigy of Elon Musk in the drivers seat before he blew it up!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No They not viable option were I live.

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By *rSpriteandMsClitBangCouple
over a year ago

hadleigh


"Did 50k miles in mine nothing different … worst thing about it is listening to people who have never owned one telling you what it’s like to own one "

This

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By *ansexualPandaMan
over a year ago

cumallover

No, the current battery-powered EV's are a stopgap technology and we're being pushed into buying them just like we were Diesels. They aren't nearly as green as they're made out to be.

The promise of hydrogen power and renewable, plantbased fuels (that will also be able to power the millions of older combustion engines that will still be on the road) is too great. Once it becomes commercially viable we'll see hydrogen-powered vehicles using either fuel stacks or hybrid combustion engines. Big, heavy non-recyclable batteries are not the answer to a greener future.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

No because it wouldn't be viable where we live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I've already got a hybrid with my own charging point so won't be much of a huge change going fully electric.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Did 50k miles in mine nothing different … worst thing about it is listening to people who have never owned one telling you what it’s like to own one

This "

Where did you both charge yours and how much was it please?

Do you live in a terraced house?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, I'm happy with petrol until hydrogen combustion becomes the norm.

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By *osaint1971Couple
over a year ago

Near Taunton


"Much better for the environment to buy a second hand petrol car and run into the ground. There are still 1950s car in Cuba, they keep them running as they have no choice.

Oil will never run out but its price will go up if it ever gets scarce.

Fossil fuels are finite. Oil will run out, and will become increasingly expensive as it does. "

It's not possible for oil to run out. The last litre of oil will never be extracted, it might become prohibitively expensive to get it but by then we will use something else. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones.

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By *eadjeyecMan
over a year ago

Bucks/London


"Would like to but factors that are against it at the moment; cost, infrastructure, for example where I live we have 1 public charging station within the town and next public one is 8 miles away. Once the cost of them gets to the same if not cheaper than “normal” cars the switch will be rapid for most people I believe

They will never be cheaper on average than ICE cars.

That's why they picked renewables and EV's to make the 'transition' with. The scarcity of precious metals necessary and limited ability to mine them will make them more expensive. That's why workable transition solutions like nuclear have been so opposed."

In time they will be cheaper once there is steps in the place, the same sort of thing that happened with the switch from whale oil to fossil fuels, at first it wasn’t cheaper but once scaled and technology was available became the norm. If they are electric the source of power can come from multiple different sources be it wind, solar, nuclear or even coal but everything then runs on electricity and isn’t specific like ICE

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never say never

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

I would if they were cheaper but alas they are not and it seems to me that they don't charge very quickly the best charging systems still take at least half an hour

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By *ongue in groveMan
over a year ago

Norwich

I do over 30,000 miles a year for work. I also have a large caravan I tow for UK holidays.

There aren't enough hours in the day to do the charging I'd need.

They don't make an electric car that can pull my caravan!

My son has one and he curses it when he has to queue up to charge it on long trips!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We cancelled ours they are dangerous and they are not mastered within the technology yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a company car driver, 100%. The tax savings alone over a conventional fuelled car make them a no brainer

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"?

How about you OP?

No. I've been looking at getting another van. The electric vans cost a lot more than the diesels and they have little towing capacity, also can only carry around a quarter the weight of my old van.. and for some journeys I would need to charge it daily, where's with my current van, I fill up once and that can keep me going for a few days atleast.

So for these reasons I'm out.

When you put it like that it seems the technology is years behind when it comes to making a working vehicle electric.

Seems odd they have the space to load weight but can't cope with it.

The Hairy Bikers did their most recent show on brand new electric motor bikes, that seemed to work well."

Yeah the weight they can carry and tow is depending on the make, but after inquiring about a few they were all lacking behind the diesel vans.

At the moment I'm out driving in the middle of nowhere and there isn't a garage for miles! the one I know for doesnt have an electric point. I'd be really pancking by now if I was in an electric van.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was until I heard about the workers conditions in the cobalt mines,sl@very is still here I'm afraid,check out cobalt mining in the congo

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up


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Not till its the only option and then only if I can't get petrol at all.

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By *rSpriteandMsClitBangCouple
over a year ago

hadleigh


"I was until I heard about the workers conditions in the cobalt mines,sl@very is still here I'm afraid,check out cobalt mining in the congo"

This also applies to smartphones, laptops and tablets.

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area

I am very happy with mine, which I lease. I can charge at home it costs around £3 for 200 miles. Good for the environment, good for my pocket and so much fun to drive.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield


"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years"

It’s certainly not there yet, imo. Maybe if you live in That London.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was until I heard about the workers conditions in the cobalt mines,sl@very is still here I'm afraid,check out cobalt mining in the congo

This also applies to smartphones, laptops and tablets."

All of them? I've heard Tesla have developed a cobalt free battery

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I am very happy with mine, which I lease. I can charge at home it costs around £3 for 200 miles. Good for the environment, good for my pocket and so much fun to drive. "

Wow bloody hell that's cheap. I thought it was like £30 a full charge

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

I rarely use my car now, so I’m going the other way and getting something with a big chunky engine that’s fun to drive again

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By *acDreamyMan
over a year ago

Wirral


"I am very happy with mine, which I lease. I can charge at home it costs around £3 for 200 miles. Good for the environment, good for my pocket and so much fun to drive. "

Me too.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

I'd be worried that people could not hear me. I was in supermarket carpack and one suddenly appeared from behind at the side of me before I heard it. Scary stuff.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd be worried that people could not hear me. I was in supermarket carpack and one suddenly appeared from behind at the side of me before I heard it. Scary stuff."

Yep, the have to add in the engine sounds like they do with the indicator clicks

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By *inda May SimmonsTV/TS
over a year ago

hexham


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No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not right now no, and by by the time I might, I'm hoping there will be a hydrogen fuelled option.

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire


"I'd be worried that people could not hear me. I was in supermarket carpack and one suddenly appeared from behind at the side of me before I heard it. Scary stuff."

By law they all have to come fitted with a PWS (Pedestrian warning system) now. It's mainly only audible in reverse.

You'd be worried aliens were about to land if you heard mine.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"I'd be worried that people could not hear me. I was in supermarket carpack and one suddenly appeared from behind at the side of me before I heard it. Scary stuff.

By law they all have to come fitted with a PWS (Pedestrian warning system) now. It's mainly only audible in reverse.

You'd be worried aliens were about to land if you heard mine. "

They should make them sound like chickens- motorway journeys would be much more entertaining if the M6 sounded like a farmyard

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

My home isn't suitable to have a charging cable even if I wanted one. My parking space is 100m away.

Can't park directly outside house and no driveway.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"My home isn't suitable to have a charging cable even if I wanted one. My parking space is 100m away.

Can't park directly outside house and no driveway."

This is my situation too. Otherwise I would consider it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did 50k miles in mine nothing different … worst thing about it is listening to people who have never owned one telling you what it’s like to own one "

Don't have one myself but you've only got to read this thread to know what you say is true.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

No.

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By *eedleinahaystackMan
over a year ago

London/Essex

I would yes but currently prices still remain very high for an intial outlay. There is little argument that eventually these cars won’t dominate our roads. With regard people saying environmentally they are as bad or worse due to mining don’t really understand how the market will travel. Once the metals are mined once there is already and will be ways of recycling theses pressure metals at not harm to the environment. Essentially causing a closed loop supply. That said not all countries yet have the capability or minerals present to do this. Lithium will become very valuable.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

I have mentioned in previous posts about this subject, my position is unchanged as I have no interest in going electric.

I am more concerned by a report in the press that the Government are seeking opinions about banning people from driving when they reach 85 years old, which if it happens will give me 22 more months of driving during which I will spend the Grandkids inheritance on something really exotic. Petrol powered of course.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Yes

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

What kind of batteries does it use?

AA

AAA

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Same with Electric Motor bikes.

They sound pathetic

Also I believe electric cars have had the following issues

Unable to extinguish when caught fire

When pull caravans /trailers uses more electric

Uses electric to warm the car ,when a fuel powered uses heat from engine

Batteries can’t be replaced in most

Weight ,so worse collisions /death rate high blah blah

Issues in very cold weather

List goes on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well over priced especially given the number of moving parts far less than a combustion engine and no gear Box etc. Ok batteries still relatively expensive but doesn't justify price nor does the R&D costs. Ford are withdrawing population combustion cars, Fiesta, Focus etc so buyers are forced into EV and associated cost.

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

No

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

No unless I was forced to become an Uber driver

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"What kind of batteries does it use?

AA

AAA

C

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Hen

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"I have mentioned in previous posts about this subject, my position is unchanged as I have no interest in going electric.

I am more concerned by a report in the press that the Government are seeking opinions about banning people from driving when they reach 85 years old, which if it happens will give me 22 more months of driving during which I will spend the Grandkids inheritance on something really exotic. Petrol powered of course."

One of the reasons sports and classic cars are rocketing in price- apart from the near zero interest on savings until recently...any petrol head will be half aware that governments are heading towards pricing the running of any ICE car out of reach unless you're very well off. Grab the fun before the joy police have us all in automated pay per mile tupperware boxes

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Nope. The infrastructure isn't in place. People how brought Tesla's must feel fullish since musk sliced £9000 off the residual value"

Or you could argue that that particular 9000 is the difference between something thinking hmmmmm and something saying yes…

I was on the original model 3 waiting list when Elon said it would roughly be around 30000…. And came off the list when the asking price got to 38000 and was trading at basically 50000

If that 50000 is now 42000…. Then brilliant! The MG4 which is now wowing everyone sales from 26000 to 31000 fully stocked

So it’s now getting towards affordable for everyone

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By *ertcamembertMan
over a year ago

Reading area


"Same with Electric Motor bikes.

They sound pathetic

Also I believe electric cars have had the following issues

Unable to extinguish when caught fire

"

This is my concern about them. For anyone else also concerned or interested please look on Google for the story of the vehicle cargo ship the "Felicity Ace" and what happened to it.

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Its just the cost for me, couldnt afford a 2nd diesel let alone an new electric car

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

If I could afford one. Maybe

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I'm surprised so many people have said no to EV.

I thought I was the odd one out who didn't want one.

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By *uenevereWoman
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Not at the moment. Too expensive to buy, lack of infrastructure and battery life for electric only cars isn't long enough for second hand ones to be viable.

Improvements needed before electic cars are a worthwhile investment for the average person.

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By *LIVEANDKICKING100Man
over a year ago

DUBLIN

NO

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By *entomillaMan
over a year ago

norwich


"?"

I worked in underground, had a few devices in the car for work …. Electrical stuff for track …

I changed two

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Interesting this is getting talked about.. the EU have today signed into law a ban on the sale of petrol and diesel cars from 2035

The UK has the same plan but with a target date of 2030.

"Under the new rules,carmakers must achieve a 100% cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold by 2015, making it impossible to sell new fossil fuel-powered vehicles in the EU."

Only a few years off really

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By *ittall2020Man
over a year ago

Norwich

No. My car isn't used loads so only does a few 1000 miles a year. At 10 years old, but only having done 50000 miles or so, the electric car would need a new battery. It wouldn't be worth spending that much on an old car so it'd be scrapped. Which isn't very green at all.

If petrol/diesel has to go then they ought to do hydrogen cars instead, they are much more sensible than electric ones.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"Nope. The infrastructure isn't in place. People how brought Tesla's must feel fullish since musk sliced £9000 off the residual value

Or you could argue that that particular 9000 is the difference between something thinking hmmmmm and something saying yes…

I was on the original model 3 waiting list when Elon said it would roughly be around 30000…. And came off the list when the asking price got to 38000 and was trading at basically 50000

If that 50000 is now 42000…. Then brilliant! The MG4 which is now wowing everyone sales from 26000 to 31000 fully stocked

So it’s now getting towards affordable for everyone "

Affordable for everyone, my arse.

Fabio, the price would need to be way less than half the prices you’re talking about before me and most of the people I know could even contemplate it.

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

No synthetic fuel it already at an advanced stage now and will supersede electric before it's even a thing.

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area


"I am very happy with mine, which I lease. I can charge at home it costs around £3 for 200 miles. Good for the environment, good for my pocket and so much fun to drive.

Wow bloody hell that's cheap. I thought it was like £30 a full charge "

Public chargers are more expensive, but the most I have ever paid is about £12 although that is going up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Electric I have no problem with.

Battery powered by lithium based tech full of rare earth metals, I have a problem with.

Batteries are stop gap until we suss out hydrogen fuel cells, using Wind power to create the hydrogen which is simply passing electricity through water, the by product is just steam.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

You often find with these sort of car discussions people are a bit disingenuous with costs... Similar to those who reckon they often get 100 mpg out of a car....

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By *iouxBWoman
over a year ago

Colchester

Nope... I'm waiting for hydrogen cars to be in the main line of manufactor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. Point blank. Not yet anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

100% no way!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years"

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over a year ago

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

I am waiting to find out how the government will collect the tax that the revenue are not collecting on lost petrol and diesel sales

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over a year ago


"I am waiting to find out how the government will collect the tax that the revenue are not collecting on lost petrol and diesel sales "

Good question. It would be a massive!! loss if everyone had a EV.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I am waiting to find out how the government will collect the tax that the revenue are not collecting on lost petrol and diesel sales "

Well they'll whack it on electric car chargers won't they... Or toll roads... Or those 15 minute city ideas...

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By *.T.Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"I am waiting to find out how the government will collect the tax that the revenue are not collecting on lost petrol and diesel sales

Good question. It would be a massive!! loss if everyone had a EV."

New at home chargers will be required to connect to the internet so that they can be monitored and turned up or down to match supply and demand. The next logical step is to charge domestic and automotive rates, an alternative fuel duty as it were.

Bearing in mind even if you to charge off a normal plug instead of a charger, the car can report back on electricity use and you could be billed per mile.

The incentives will be there to switch to EV until you have no choice but to have EV's. There are already moves to bring vehicle tax in on EV's, it was inevitable.

I pay £0 a year on my diesel Mini and £0 a year on my petrol classic. I'll keep both on the road and hope that synthetic fuels become mainstream and affordable.

Petrol and Diesel will continue to be taxed highly to make EV more attractive, then when the balance is in favour of EV's, they will be taxed instead.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Nope. The infrastructure isn't in place. People how brought Tesla's must feel fullish since musk sliced £9000 off the residual value

Or you could argue that that particular 9000 is the difference between something thinking hmmmmm and something saying yes…

I was on the original model 3 waiting list when Elon said it would roughly be around 30000…. And came off the list when the asking price got to 38000 and was trading at basically 50000

If that 50000 is now 42000…. Then brilliant! The MG4 which is now wowing everyone sales from 26000 to 31000 fully stocked

So it’s now getting towards affordable for everyone

Affordable for everyone, my arse.

Fabio, the price would need to be way less than half the prices you’re talking about before me and most of the people I know could even contemplate it. "

26000 is actually less than a new ford focus… so remember that the prices of new cars are not where they once were pre the world going to shit!

Do EV generally need to get cheaper…. Absolutely! There are only 4 decent EV that retail for less than 30k as opposed to 100 ICE competitors

I believe with the 2030/35 targets EVs have to become cheaper….. they are not there yet but are beginning to!

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area


"You often find with these sort of car discussions people are a bit disingenuous with costs... Similar to those who reckon they often get 100 mpg out of a car.... "

That's unpleasant suggesting people are lying about the costs. Feel free to meet me next time I'm at a public charger. I won't offer to show you my smart meter records to show the cost for charging overnight though.

But you carry on believing EVs are expensive to run. My main concern is too many people getting them and insufficient chargers available, so I'm happy people not wanting them, as that will make life easier for me.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"You often find with these sort of car discussions people are a bit disingenuous with costs... Similar to those who reckon they often get 100 mpg out of a car....

That's unpleasant suggesting people are lying about the costs. Feel free to meet me next time I'm at a public charger. I won't offer to show you my smart meter records to show the cost for charging overnight though.

But you carry on believing EVs are expensive to run. My main concern is too many people getting them and insufficient chargers available, so I'm happy people not wanting them, as that will make life easier for me. "

Where did i write they are expensive to run?

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

No because firstly I couldn't afford one. I'm currently driving the most expensive car I've ever owned at £5k. I've no intention of working to pay off a huge car loan at my age.

There are only 2 public chargers within 5 miles of me and I don't even live in a rural area.

The closest to my workplace is a 20 mins walk away so not practical at all.

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By *lutonicMan
over a year ago

Leicester


"Got a plug in hybrid.. absolutely love it. Woukd definitely go full electric"

What's the difference between a 'plug in hybrid' and just a 'hybrid'?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not until they get decent ranges on them. I travel about in my car a lot and there is no charging outlets in the countryside.

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By *iigguy13Man
over a year ago

Normandy, France

You can get conversion kits. There's a great one I saw for a Fiat 500.

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By *elaninMaverickWoman
over a year ago

near Putney Heath


"?"

Too late I live in London and already have an electric bicycle. It costs as much as a car but with no parking, no road tax, no speed cameras, no congestion charges, no bus lanes, no traffic.

The only thing is jealous, resentful people in cars and vans who try to run you over.

Bus and truck drivers despite being more deadly are definitely more chilled out on the road.

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By *ensual mMan
over a year ago

conwy

Until they find a cleaner way than burning things and polluting the atmosphere to make electric ill stick with my 3ltr volvo.

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then?

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By *.T.Man
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Got a plug in hybrid.. absolutely love it. Woukd definitely go full electric

What's the difference between a 'plug in hybrid' and just a 'hybrid'?"

A hybrid is charged from the engine.

A plug in hybrid can be charged from a socket or the engine.

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By *erry bull1Man
over a year ago

doncaster

I read a recent article by the RAC regarding electric vehicles , they now carry diesel powered generators to charge the batteries on broken down electric cars and in addition they quoted that approximately 250 vehicles a hour will stop at motorway services to refuel. The average time to refuel and pay is 11 minutes. If everyone went to over to electric cars , the land required to accommodate these vehicles for charging would be immense plus may incur a parking charge as you’re not allowed 2 hours free parking on the services

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Already have one, and a VW Buzz on order

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By *inks_apeyCouple
over a year ago

Staffordshire

Both ours are EV, never had any issues. But hey, not for everyone and all that.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then? "

Shankses pony.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not for me, hate the things, all part of the plan to go autonomous then they will be too expensive for most then we will all be on public transport or johnny cabs ! I also enjoy driving and riding I don't just want something with a loud pedal like a dodgem lots of people will also be out if work as a result and the got won't have a many cars on the road saving them money

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

No.

But I'd buy one before I bought a petrol or diesel car.

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By *M_darksideCouple
over a year ago

Worksop

We have and it has served us well by home charging.

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By *lutandhubbyCouple
over a year ago

west midlands

people are already complaining about the price of their electric bills. running a electric vehicle is no cheaper than petrol or diesel.

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"people are already complaining about the price of their electric bills. running a electric vehicle is no cheaper than petrol or diesel. "

One of the ways to make it work would be to increase the amount of energy generated through renewables, pushing down the price of electricity.

I don't have anywhere to recharge an electric car at my home. That's the major barrier for me.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

I could probably benefit from a small pure electric model for my local runabout, complementing my bigger Japanese shagging wagon.

unfortunately, no manufacturer is ever going to make anything as basic as I want.

I don't want A/C or any gimmicks which are going to make extra demands on the battery or make the vehicle potentially less reliable. I want the body form ans styling to be exactly like my 2003 3 door Suzuki Ignis which is the most useful car of that size I have ever owned. I don't need front lighting clusters designed to look hostile or rear clusters migrating halfway into the taigate, ready to cause future reliabilty problems.

I could charge it on my driveway and would not have range anxiety as my journeys would not be long enough to give any rise to it.

I don't want a hybrid as I don't want a liquid based cooling system any more if I am progressing with automotive technology.

However, battery deterioration and replacement cost anxiety would be entirely a different matter.Ouch!

Sadly, no manufacturer is going to make anything simple enough for my requirements except perhaps the Bajaj rickshaw works in India. Historical EU based specifications would preclude anything like that arriving in the UK.

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Absolutely not.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then? "

Electric tow truck back home?

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By *asmartsCouple
over a year ago

sheffield

Both had one for over two years, absolutely love them. No issues with charging it’s dead easy. Charge during day at office or at home at night. Long journeys couple of times a year just take a break for forty mins charge up and away you go.

Currently great on the BIK which is a huge plus!

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"?"

All electric Or Hybrid

I called most manufactures to day to ask about a Hybrid small van and no one makes on as yet. And I'm waiting to find out From UKPN if i can have a charging point as need an up grade to the supply on the house.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"You often find with these sort of car discussions people are a bit disingenuous with costs... Similar to those who reckon they often get 100 mpg out of a car....

That's unpleasant suggesting people are lying about the costs. Feel free to meet me next time I'm at a public charger. I won't offer to show you my smart meter records to show the cost for charging overnight though.

But you carry on believing EVs are expensive to run. My main concern is too many people getting them and insufficient chargers available, so I'm happy people not wanting them, as that will make life easier for me. "

So how long dose it take to charge over night i was told by citroen today a van Could take 15 hours to charge it has a 50KW battery and 45KW usable it also can hold 100KG less because of the battery's

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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago

Stoke area


"We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then? "

Before people travel a distance they tend to check the route on a map such as zapmap. It shows where Chargers are out of action, so you can go elsewhere. It's always advised to have a back up plan. For example I'm driving Staffordshire down to Stansted Airport and there are about 100 chargers I could stop at on the way.. it really isn't a big problem for most journeys. There are pockets of the UK where there are a lack of chargers, but most areas are quite well supplied now.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then?

Before people travel a distance they tend to check the route on a map such as zapmap. It shows where Chargers are out of action, so you can go elsewhere. It's always advised to have a back up plan. For example I'm driving Staffordshire down to Stansted Airport and there are about 100 chargers I could stop at on the way.. it really isn't a big problem for most journeys. There are pockets of the UK where there are a lack of chargers, but most areas are quite well supplied now. "

So that's about 170mile so with 4 people and 100kg of luggage how meny times will you need to charge each way and if its realy cold would that make a difference.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Not at all , i will buy one only when comes illegal combustion cars

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes if I could afford to buy it as I have free electric.

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

Cornucoppia you should visit your local motability shop they have been selling just what you are looking for years

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands


"You can get conversion kits. There's a great one I saw for a Fiat 500. "
My friend was recently quoted £24000 to get her Fiat 500 converted from ICE to Electric. Needless to say it will not happen.

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By *GermanInLondonMan
over a year ago

London

Thought my next one would be electric. But now changed my my mind as feel energy cost impossible to predict.

Would buy one though if have solar and can use own electricity to charge.

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By *ickstartmyheart103Man
over a year ago

near the east coast

Never.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"Cornucoppia you should visit your local motability shop they have been selling just what you are looking for years"

Ha Ha!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes if I could afford to buy it as I have free electric.

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Fiddling the meter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No but may consider Hybrid for next car

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Yeah if they were so ridiculously expensive. For my needs I think they'd be fine with the current infrastructure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I can buy a lot of diesel for the extra price of an electric

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS
over a year ago

Exeter

No Chance - I can't believe people have been so gullible and bought one...

One of this centuries biggest scams...

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"Yeah if they were so ridiculously expensive. For my needs I think they'd be fine with the current infrastructure. "

*Weren't

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

Wouldn't buy one but my hubby's next company car will be electric, will save us money in tax for sure.....for now, anyway!

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By *ehindHerEyesCouple
over a year ago

SomewhereOnlyWeKnow

The boss has a new BMW i4 I think it is, not gonna lie its a nice car and it's a bloody comfortable and fast way to travel to work

But woweee even he told me the price tag

Apparently not that expensive to charge though

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I would rather buy a nice 2 stroke bike, than buy an electric car.

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

I would not do so. I have a 1.6 diesel car. Four years old and only 20k on clock which is correct. For me cannot afford to change. Plus looking on internet to fit charger approx £700-£1000. I am retired. Electrically qualified. So know that . I would need new fuse board, new mains fuse. Smart meter. Also to get to fuse board with cable . Take up living room floorboards . Yes fuse board in living room. So cost becomes a not normal installation. Plus inconvenience of moving furniture , carpets etc.

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By *queakyclean69erCouple
over a year ago

Torquay / Fleet


"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years"

Tesla have had the infrastructure for years

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years

Tesla have had the infrastructure for years "

How do you work that out if you need to charge at home ?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings


"I would not do so. I have a 1.6 diesel car. Four years old and only 20k on clock which is correct. For me cannot afford to change. Plus looking on internet to fit charger approx £700-£1000. I am retired. Electrically qualified. So know that . I would need new fuse board, new mains fuse. Smart meter. Also to get to fuse board with cable . Take up living room floorboards . Yes fuse board in living room. So cost becomes a not normal installation. Plus inconvenience of moving furniture , carpets etc. "

That's if UKPN give you a new mains fuse I have a 60amp probably same as you in garage am awaiting cost to upgrade to 100amp 22kw so I could have a 7KW pod point installed even then a 45kw battery will take 7 hours would need 3phase to get a faster charge but only got 2phase in the road

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading


"I would not do so. I have a 1.6 diesel car. Four years old and only 20k on clock which is correct. For me cannot afford to change. Plus looking on internet to fit charger approx £700-£1000. I am retired. Electrically qualified. So know that . I would need new fuse board, new mains fuse. Smart meter. Also to get to fuse board with cable . Take up living room floorboards . Yes fuse board in living room. So cost becomes a not normal installation. Plus inconvenience of moving furniture , carpets etc.

That's if UKPN give you a new mains fuse I have a 60amp probably same as you in garage am awaiting cost to upgrade to 100amp 22kw so I could have a 7KW pod point installed even then a 45kw battery will take 7 hours would need 3phase to get a faster charge but only got 2phase in the road "

I also know that my 60amp can only be upgraded to 100amp, only 2phase . But if can get approval would be interesting.

The main transformer/ supply for my road is approx fifty yards from my house . No one in my road as far as I know , seen has had a charger fitted. Yet a lot of new cars in past year.

I am not against electric cars. But there needs to be country wide charger points to supply all electric cars. That are on road

So if say on a motorway service station twenty electric cars need charging per hour then twenty charging points plus extra for out of action.

This again cannot see happening. Reason supply to said motorway station would need major supply cable upgrade . Plus can supply be upgraded ?

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

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No

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

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"No"

They will give me what ever I want but at my cost lol

Done a factory last year from 66kw 100amp 3phase to 120kw 200amp 3phase cost £28k

If I want 3phase to have a 15kw pod point I'm guessing about £50k

100amp from my existing 60amp I think will be about £5k but there are 3 vehicles on the drive so will be another diesel next pluss it's £10k cheaper to purchase.

Might replace the Rav 4 with a hybrid plug in.

And all that is befor you look at the complicated thing of charging a work vehicles at home.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

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"Wouldn't buy one but my hubby's next company car will be electric, will save us money in tax for sure.....for now, anyway! "

And where will he charge it at work I hope.

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

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"No

They will give me what ever I want but at my cost lol

Done a factory last year from 66kw 100amp 3phase to 120kw 200amp 3phase cost £28k

If I want 3phase to have a 15kw pod point I'm guessing about £50k

100amp from my existing 60amp I think will be about £5k but there are 3 vehicles on the drive so will be another diesel next pluss it's £10k cheaper to purchase.

Might replace the Rav 4 with a hybrid plug in.

And all that is befor you look at the complicated thing of charging a work vehicles at home."

I drive a diesel with a range of 700 miles when an electric car can match that then I will consider changing.

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