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"?" How about you OP? | |||
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"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years" ^^^ this | |||
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"Picking mine up on Thursday… but apprehensive but hey like to embrace new tech …. Although I’ve got a pretty much unused mini disc player in the loft …." You're gonna need a bigger loft hatch... | |||
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"Picking mine up on Thursday… but apprehensive but hey like to embrace new tech …. Although I’ve got a pretty much unused mini disc player in the loft …. You're gonna need a bigger loft hatch..." | |||
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"?" very much doubt it, if you are somewhere maybe in the country side and they run out of charge and go flat you cannot use use another car to put power into the battery or tow the car to a charging point it has to go on the back of a transporter at a cost of £150-£200 and it not an accident so your insurance would not cover it or a breakdown company either,, | |||
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"Nope" No, safety issues with the batteries and charging concern me | |||
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"Can you imagine the amount of chargers required if just London went fully electric tomorrow, multi story flats would need hundreds of them, car lined up for hours. I believe china makes most of the batteries, fall out with China and its another source and demand issue again. " I think it’s being run out way too fast. | |||
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"Much better for the environment to buy a second hand petrol car and run into the ground. There are still 1950s car in Cuba, they keep them running as they have no choice. Oil will never run out but its price will go up if it ever gets scarce." Fossil fuels are finite. Oil will run out, and will become increasingly expensive as it does. | |||
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"I think the whole battery replacement issue is the biggest worry from me, I have seen some service bills from the US where they’ve been charge $25,000 to replace the batteries on a Tesla, maybe that’s all a load of BS but it makes me wary. ((Note I do hear that batteries don’t need replacing until the 200,000+ mile mark)) " There was that guy in the news because his brand new one needed a replacement battery because of a fault and Tesla refused to replace the battery over some technicality. It was about the same price as the car so he blew it up | |||
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"? How about you OP?" No. I've been looking at getting another van. The electric vans cost a lot more than the diesels and they have little towing capacity, also can only carry around a quarter the weight of my old van.. and for some journeys I would need to charge it daily, where's with my current van, I fill up once and that can keep me going for a few days atleast. So for these reasons I'm out. | |||
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"? How about you OP? No. I've been looking at getting another van. The electric vans cost a lot more than the diesels and they have little towing capacity, also can only carry around a quarter the weight of my old van.. and for some journeys I would need to charge it daily, where's with my current van, I fill up once and that can keep me going for a few days atleast. So for these reasons I'm out. " When you put it like that it seems the technology is years behind when it comes to making a working vehicle electric. Seems odd they have the space to load weight but can't cope with it. The Hairy Bikers did their most recent show on brand new electric motor bikes, that seemed to work well. | |||
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"No. Combustion engine until the day I die. The mr " Yes. I'll be buying one just before they stop selling them so that I can be petrol driven for as long as possible | |||
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"Would like to but factors that are against it at the moment; cost, infrastructure, for example where I live we have 1 public charging station within the town and next public one is 8 miles away. Once the cost of them gets to the same if not cheaper than “normal” cars the switch will be rapid for most people I believe " They will never be cheaper on average than ICE cars. That's why they picked renewables and EV's to make the 'transition' with. The scarcity of precious metals necessary and limited ability to mine them will make them more expensive. That's why workable transition solutions like nuclear have been so opposed. | |||
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"I think the whole battery replacement issue is the biggest worry from me, I have seen some service bills from the US where they’ve been charge $25,000 to replace the batteries on a Tesla, maybe that’s all a load of BS but it makes me wary. ((Note I do hear that batteries don’t need replacing until the 200,000+ mile mark)) There was that guy in the news because his brand new one needed a replacement battery because of a fault and Tesla refused to replace the battery over some technicality. It was about the same price as the car so he blew it up " On you tube I saw a video from a guy in Finland who had his one blown to pieces. He bought it second hand and when the battery started to fail he was outraged at the price Tesla wanted to charge him for a new battery. He also put an effigy of Elon Musk in the drivers seat before he blew it up!! | |||
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"Did 50k miles in mine nothing different … worst thing about it is listening to people who have never owned one telling you what it’s like to own one " This | |||
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"Did 50k miles in mine nothing different … worst thing about it is listening to people who have never owned one telling you what it’s like to own one This " Where did you both charge yours and how much was it please? Do you live in a terraced house? | |||
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"Much better for the environment to buy a second hand petrol car and run into the ground. There are still 1950s car in Cuba, they keep them running as they have no choice. Oil will never run out but its price will go up if it ever gets scarce. Fossil fuels are finite. Oil will run out, and will become increasingly expensive as it does. " It's not possible for oil to run out. The last litre of oil will never be extracted, it might become prohibitively expensive to get it but by then we will use something else. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones. | |||
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"Would like to but factors that are against it at the moment; cost, infrastructure, for example where I live we have 1 public charging station within the town and next public one is 8 miles away. Once the cost of them gets to the same if not cheaper than “normal” cars the switch will be rapid for most people I believe They will never be cheaper on average than ICE cars. That's why they picked renewables and EV's to make the 'transition' with. The scarcity of precious metals necessary and limited ability to mine them will make them more expensive. That's why workable transition solutions like nuclear have been so opposed." In time they will be cheaper once there is steps in the place, the same sort of thing that happened with the switch from whale oil to fossil fuels, at first it wasn’t cheaper but once scaled and technology was available became the norm. If they are electric the source of power can come from multiple different sources be it wind, solar, nuclear or even coal but everything then runs on electricity and isn’t specific like ICE | |||
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"? How about you OP? No. I've been looking at getting another van. The electric vans cost a lot more than the diesels and they have little towing capacity, also can only carry around a quarter the weight of my old van.. and for some journeys I would need to charge it daily, where's with my current van, I fill up once and that can keep me going for a few days atleast. So for these reasons I'm out. When you put it like that it seems the technology is years behind when it comes to making a working vehicle electric. Seems odd they have the space to load weight but can't cope with it. The Hairy Bikers did their most recent show on brand new electric motor bikes, that seemed to work well." Yeah the weight they can carry and tow is depending on the make, but after inquiring about a few they were all lacking behind the diesel vans. At the moment I'm out driving in the middle of nowhere and there isn't a garage for miles! the one I know for doesnt have an electric point. I'd be really pancking by now if I was in an electric van. | |||
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"?" Not till its the only option and then only if I can't get petrol at all. | |||
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"I was until I heard about the workers conditions in the cobalt mines,sl@very is still here I'm afraid,check out cobalt mining in the congo" This also applies to smartphones, laptops and tablets. | |||
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"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years" It’s certainly not there yet, imo. Maybe if you live in That London. | |||
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"I was until I heard about the workers conditions in the cobalt mines,sl@very is still here I'm afraid,check out cobalt mining in the congo This also applies to smartphones, laptops and tablets." All of them? I've heard Tesla have developed a cobalt free battery | |||
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"I am very happy with mine, which I lease. I can charge at home it costs around £3 for 200 miles. Good for the environment, good for my pocket and so much fun to drive. " Wow bloody hell that's cheap. I thought it was like £30 a full charge | |||
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"I am very happy with mine, which I lease. I can charge at home it costs around £3 for 200 miles. Good for the environment, good for my pocket and so much fun to drive. " Me too. | |||
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"I'd be worried that people could not hear me. I was in supermarket carpack and one suddenly appeared from behind at the side of me before I heard it. Scary stuff." Yep, the have to add in the engine sounds like they do with the indicator clicks | |||
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"I'd be worried that people could not hear me. I was in supermarket carpack and one suddenly appeared from behind at the side of me before I heard it. Scary stuff." By law they all have to come fitted with a PWS (Pedestrian warning system) now. It's mainly only audible in reverse. You'd be worried aliens were about to land if you heard mine. | |||
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"I'd be worried that people could not hear me. I was in supermarket carpack and one suddenly appeared from behind at the side of me before I heard it. Scary stuff. By law they all have to come fitted with a PWS (Pedestrian warning system) now. It's mainly only audible in reverse. You'd be worried aliens were about to land if you heard mine. " They should make them sound like chickens- motorway journeys would be much more entertaining if the M6 sounded like a farmyard | |||
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"My home isn't suitable to have a charging cable even if I wanted one. My parking space is 100m away. Can't park directly outside house and no driveway." This is my situation too. Otherwise I would consider it. | |||
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"Did 50k miles in mine nothing different … worst thing about it is listening to people who have never owned one telling you what it’s like to own one " Don't have one myself but you've only got to read this thread to know what you say is true. | |||
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"What kind of batteries does it use? AA AAA C D" Hen | |||
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"I have mentioned in previous posts about this subject, my position is unchanged as I have no interest in going electric. I am more concerned by a report in the press that the Government are seeking opinions about banning people from driving when they reach 85 years old, which if it happens will give me 22 more months of driving during which I will spend the Grandkids inheritance on something really exotic. Petrol powered of course." One of the reasons sports and classic cars are rocketing in price- apart from the near zero interest on savings until recently...any petrol head will be half aware that governments are heading towards pricing the running of any ICE car out of reach unless you're very well off. Grab the fun before the joy police have us all in automated pay per mile tupperware boxes | |||
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"Nope. The infrastructure isn't in place. People how brought Tesla's must feel fullish since musk sliced £9000 off the residual value" Or you could argue that that particular 9000 is the difference between something thinking hmmmmm and something saying yes… I was on the original model 3 waiting list when Elon said it would roughly be around 30000…. And came off the list when the asking price got to 38000 and was trading at basically 50000 If that 50000 is now 42000…. Then brilliant! The MG4 which is now wowing everyone sales from 26000 to 31000 fully stocked So it’s now getting towards affordable for everyone | |||
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"Same with Electric Motor bikes. They sound pathetic Also I believe electric cars have had the following issues Unable to extinguish when caught fire " This is my concern about them. For anyone else also concerned or interested please look on Google for the story of the vehicle cargo ship the "Felicity Ace" and what happened to it. | |||
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"?" I worked in underground, had a few devices in the car for work …. Electrical stuff for track … I changed two | |||
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"Nope. The infrastructure isn't in place. People how brought Tesla's must feel fullish since musk sliced £9000 off the residual value Or you could argue that that particular 9000 is the difference between something thinking hmmmmm and something saying yes… I was on the original model 3 waiting list when Elon said it would roughly be around 30000…. And came off the list when the asking price got to 38000 and was trading at basically 50000 If that 50000 is now 42000…. Then brilliant! The MG4 which is now wowing everyone sales from 26000 to 31000 fully stocked So it’s now getting towards affordable for everyone " Affordable for everyone, my arse. Fabio, the price would need to be way less than half the prices you’re talking about before me and most of the people I know could even contemplate it. | |||
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"I am very happy with mine, which I lease. I can charge at home it costs around £3 for 200 miles. Good for the environment, good for my pocket and so much fun to drive. Wow bloody hell that's cheap. I thought it was like £30 a full charge " Public chargers are more expensive, but the most I have ever paid is about £12 although that is going up. | |||
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"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years" | |||
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"I am waiting to find out how the government will collect the tax that the revenue are not collecting on lost petrol and diesel sales " Good question. It would be a massive!! loss if everyone had a EV. | |||
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"I am waiting to find out how the government will collect the tax that the revenue are not collecting on lost petrol and diesel sales " Well they'll whack it on electric car chargers won't they... Or toll roads... Or those 15 minute city ideas... | |||
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"I am waiting to find out how the government will collect the tax that the revenue are not collecting on lost petrol and diesel sales Good question. It would be a massive!! loss if everyone had a EV." New at home chargers will be required to connect to the internet so that they can be monitored and turned up or down to match supply and demand. The next logical step is to charge domestic and automotive rates, an alternative fuel duty as it were. Bearing in mind even if you to charge off a normal plug instead of a charger, the car can report back on electricity use and you could be billed per mile. The incentives will be there to switch to EV until you have no choice but to have EV's. There are already moves to bring vehicle tax in on EV's, it was inevitable. I pay £0 a year on my diesel Mini and £0 a year on my petrol classic. I'll keep both on the road and hope that synthetic fuels become mainstream and affordable. Petrol and Diesel will continue to be taxed highly to make EV more attractive, then when the balance is in favour of EV's, they will be taxed instead. | |||
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"Nope. The infrastructure isn't in place. People how brought Tesla's must feel fullish since musk sliced £9000 off the residual value Or you could argue that that particular 9000 is the difference between something thinking hmmmmm and something saying yes… I was on the original model 3 waiting list when Elon said it would roughly be around 30000…. And came off the list when the asking price got to 38000 and was trading at basically 50000 If that 50000 is now 42000…. Then brilliant! The MG4 which is now wowing everyone sales from 26000 to 31000 fully stocked So it’s now getting towards affordable for everyone Affordable for everyone, my arse. Fabio, the price would need to be way less than half the prices you’re talking about before me and most of the people I know could even contemplate it. " 26000 is actually less than a new ford focus… so remember that the prices of new cars are not where they once were pre the world going to shit! Do EV generally need to get cheaper…. Absolutely! There are only 4 decent EV that retail for less than 30k as opposed to 100 ICE competitors I believe with the 2030/35 targets EVs have to become cheaper….. they are not there yet but are beginning to! | |||
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"You often find with these sort of car discussions people are a bit disingenuous with costs... Similar to those who reckon they often get 100 mpg out of a car.... " That's unpleasant suggesting people are lying about the costs. Feel free to meet me next time I'm at a public charger. I won't offer to show you my smart meter records to show the cost for charging overnight though. But you carry on believing EVs are expensive to run. My main concern is too many people getting them and insufficient chargers available, so I'm happy people not wanting them, as that will make life easier for me. | |||
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"You often find with these sort of car discussions people are a bit disingenuous with costs... Similar to those who reckon they often get 100 mpg out of a car.... That's unpleasant suggesting people are lying about the costs. Feel free to meet me next time I'm at a public charger. I won't offer to show you my smart meter records to show the cost for charging overnight though. But you carry on believing EVs are expensive to run. My main concern is too many people getting them and insufficient chargers available, so I'm happy people not wanting them, as that will make life easier for me. " Where did i write they are expensive to run? | |||
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"Got a plug in hybrid.. absolutely love it. Woukd definitely go full electric" What's the difference between a 'plug in hybrid' and just a 'hybrid'? | |||
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"?" Too late I live in London and already have an electric bicycle. It costs as much as a car but with no parking, no road tax, no speed cameras, no congestion charges, no bus lanes, no traffic. The only thing is jealous, resentful people in cars and vans who try to run you over. Bus and truck drivers despite being more deadly are definitely more chilled out on the road. | |||
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"Got a plug in hybrid.. absolutely love it. Woukd definitely go full electric What's the difference between a 'plug in hybrid' and just a 'hybrid'?" A hybrid is charged from the engine. A plug in hybrid can be charged from a socket or the engine. | |||
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"We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then? " Shankses pony. | |||
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"people are already complaining about the price of their electric bills. running a electric vehicle is no cheaper than petrol or diesel. " One of the ways to make it work would be to increase the amount of energy generated through renewables, pushing down the price of electricity. I don't have anywhere to recharge an electric car at my home. That's the major barrier for me. | |||
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"We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then? " Electric tow truck back home? | |||
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"?" All electric Or Hybrid I called most manufactures to day to ask about a Hybrid small van and no one makes on as yet. And I'm waiting to find out From UKPN if i can have a charging point as need an up grade to the supply on the house. | |||
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"You often find with these sort of car discussions people are a bit disingenuous with costs... Similar to those who reckon they often get 100 mpg out of a car.... That's unpleasant suggesting people are lying about the costs. Feel free to meet me next time I'm at a public charger. I won't offer to show you my smart meter records to show the cost for charging overnight though. But you carry on believing EVs are expensive to run. My main concern is too many people getting them and insufficient chargers available, so I'm happy people not wanting them, as that will make life easier for me. " So how long dose it take to charge over night i was told by citroen today a van Could take 15 hours to charge it has a 50KW battery and 45KW usable it also can hold 100KG less because of the battery's | |||
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"We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then? " Before people travel a distance they tend to check the route on a map such as zapmap. It shows where Chargers are out of action, so you can go elsewhere. It's always advised to have a back up plan. For example I'm driving Staffordshire down to Stansted Airport and there are about 100 chargers I could stop at on the way.. it really isn't a big problem for most journeys. There are pockets of the UK where there are a lack of chargers, but most areas are quite well supplied now. | |||
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"We called in a motorway services last week & all the EV Charing points were out of order & fenced off. What do you do then? Before people travel a distance they tend to check the route on a map such as zapmap. It shows where Chargers are out of action, so you can go elsewhere. It's always advised to have a back up plan. For example I'm driving Staffordshire down to Stansted Airport and there are about 100 chargers I could stop at on the way.. it really isn't a big problem for most journeys. There are pockets of the UK where there are a lack of chargers, but most areas are quite well supplied now. " So that's about 170mile so with 4 people and 100kg of luggage how meny times will you need to charge each way and if its realy cold would that make a difference. | |||
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"You can get conversion kits. There's a great one I saw for a Fiat 500. " My friend was recently quoted £24000 to get her Fiat 500 converted from ICE to Electric. Needless to say it will not happen. | |||
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"Cornucoppia you should visit your local motability shop they have been selling just what you are looking for years" Ha Ha! | |||
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"Yes if I could afford to buy it as I have free electric. " Fiddling the meter | |||
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"Yeah if they were so ridiculously expensive. For my needs I think they'd be fine with the current infrastructure. " *Weren't | |||
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"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years" Tesla have had the infrastructure for years | |||
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"Not until the technology and support structure is in place correctly. That won't be for at least 10 years Tesla have had the infrastructure for years " How do you work that out if you need to charge at home ? | |||
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"I would not do so. I have a 1.6 diesel car. Four years old and only 20k on clock which is correct. For me cannot afford to change. Plus looking on internet to fit charger approx £700-£1000. I am retired. Electrically qualified. So know that . I would need new fuse board, new mains fuse. Smart meter. Also to get to fuse board with cable . Take up living room floorboards . Yes fuse board in living room. So cost becomes a not normal installation. Plus inconvenience of moving furniture , carpets etc. " That's if UKPN give you a new mains fuse I have a 60amp probably same as you in garage am awaiting cost to upgrade to 100amp 22kw so I could have a 7KW pod point installed even then a 45kw battery will take 7 hours would need 3phase to get a faster charge but only got 2phase in the road | |||
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"I would not do so. I have a 1.6 diesel car. Four years old and only 20k on clock which is correct. For me cannot afford to change. Plus looking on internet to fit charger approx £700-£1000. I am retired. Electrically qualified. So know that . I would need new fuse board, new mains fuse. Smart meter. Also to get to fuse board with cable . Take up living room floorboards . Yes fuse board in living room. So cost becomes a not normal installation. Plus inconvenience of moving furniture , carpets etc. That's if UKPN give you a new mains fuse I have a 60amp probably same as you in garage am awaiting cost to upgrade to 100amp 22kw so I could have a 7KW pod point installed even then a 45kw battery will take 7 hours would need 3phase to get a faster charge but only got 2phase in the road " I also know that my 60amp can only be upgraded to 100amp, only 2phase . But if can get approval would be interesting. The main transformer/ supply for my road is approx fifty yards from my house . No one in my road as far as I know , seen has had a charger fitted. Yet a lot of new cars in past year. I am not against electric cars. But there needs to be country wide charger points to supply all electric cars. That are on road So if say on a motorway service station twenty electric cars need charging per hour then twenty charging points plus extra for out of action. This again cannot see happening. Reason supply to said motorway station would need major supply cable upgrade . Plus can supply be upgraded ? | |||
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"No" They will give me what ever I want but at my cost lol Done a factory last year from 66kw 100amp 3phase to 120kw 200amp 3phase cost £28k If I want 3phase to have a 15kw pod point I'm guessing about £50k 100amp from my existing 60amp I think will be about £5k but there are 3 vehicles on the drive so will be another diesel next pluss it's £10k cheaper to purchase. Might replace the Rav 4 with a hybrid plug in. And all that is befor you look at the complicated thing of charging a work vehicles at home. | |||
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"Wouldn't buy one but my hubby's next company car will be electric, will save us money in tax for sure.....for now, anyway! " And where will he charge it at work I hope. | |||
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"No They will give me what ever I want but at my cost lol Done a factory last year from 66kw 100amp 3phase to 120kw 200amp 3phase cost £28k If I want 3phase to have a 15kw pod point I'm guessing about £50k 100amp from my existing 60amp I think will be about £5k but there are 3 vehicles on the drive so will be another diesel next pluss it's £10k cheaper to purchase. Might replace the Rav 4 with a hybrid plug in. And all that is befor you look at the complicated thing of charging a work vehicles at home." I drive a diesel with a range of 700 miles when an electric car can match that then I will consider changing. | |||
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