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"Apparently female footballers are calling for equal pay to the men. I think it’s already happened in the US but the Canadian team recently threatened to strike to push for this also. The Wimbledon tennis event, for example, now rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. So do the female footballers have a case ? Thoughts / opinions please ?" No they not have a case at all they should be paid what their game can afford to pay them . and over time their pay will increase . but men footballs get paid stupid amounts of money m | |||
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"Apparently female footballers are calling for equal pay to the men. I think it’s already happened in the US but the Canadian team recently threatened to strike to push for this also. The Wimbledon tennis event, for example, now rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. So do the female footballers have a case ? Thoughts / opinions please ?" It's a matter of contention that the Wimbledon tennis event financially rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. Men’s singles matches at Grand Slams are played as best-of-five encounters while the same on the women’s side of things continues to remain a best-of-three encounter. Men get paid the same but play (work) almost twice the amount for the same pay. | |||
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"At international level, yes. At club level is not feasible because the men's game draws in an extraordinary amount of money compared to the women's game " I would suggest even at international level they may not have a case. International federations still have to be run as businesses, so i very much doubt womens international teams generate as much revenue as the mens so not sure why they should get the same match fees? | |||
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"At international level, yes. At club level is not feasible because the men's game draws in an extraordinary amount of money compared to the women's game I would suggest even at international level they may not have a case. International federations still have to be run as businesses, so i very much doubt womens international teams generate as much revenue as the mens so not sure why they should get the same match fees? " I think in the US (and Canada, but I am less sure) the women's team is the greater revenue generator, but I can see that's definitely not the case in England. That said, I think The FA should pay equally on principle, as it's not solely about the bottom line in a national governing body. But the case for equal pay is strong if based on performance, as the women's team has been more successful recently. | |||
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"At international level, yes. At club level is not feasible because the men's game draws in an extraordinary amount of money compared to the women's game " Do you think there might be a reason for that ? | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'." Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. | |||
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"Female footballers want to be paid the same as the male equivalent? Cool... Just make as much money then you can have the same wage. Simple as that. It's not equality if you're not pulling your weight. " To be fair they are not doing anything different. They are pulling their weight, they are giving it their all (much more than a lot of the men to be fair) it's just that the fans dictate which side gets the money. If fans stopped watching men's football and watched women's that right there is the shift for more pay. The funding would shift, sponsors would shift. I know that's not going to happen, but that has nothing to do with women's football not pulling their weight. People (majority men) are just not as interested in watching women's, and most of the reasons is not lack of ability. Even if the women could run rings around the men on the field, I doubt the interest would be there. | |||
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"Apparently female footballers are calling for equal pay to the men. I think it’s already happened in the US but the Canadian team recently threatened to strike to push for this also. The Wimbledon tennis event, for example, now rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. So do the female footballers have a case ? Thoughts / opinions please ?" No | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. " Ah i see. So dock the men their salaries then to pay the women is it? I thought this was about trying to lift women up to be able to succees on their own merit. Silly me, its just about virtue signalling | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. " How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. | |||
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"Female footballers want to be paid the same as the male equivalent? Cool... Just make as much money then you can have the same wage. Simple as that. It's not equality if you're not pulling your weight. To be fair they are not doing anything different. They are pulling their weight, they are giving it their all (much more than a lot of the men to be fair) it's just that the fans dictate which side gets the money. If fans stopped watching men's football and watched women's that right there is the shift for more pay. The funding would shift, sponsors would shift. I know that's not going to happen, but that has nothing to do with women's football not pulling their weight. People (majority men) are just not as interested in watching women's, and most of the reasons is not lack of ability. Even if the women could run rings around the men on the field, I doubt the interest would be there. " What? Of course it would. If women were better at it than men then it would absolutely tilt the balance of interest. Thats the whole crux of it | |||
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"Women tennis players shouldn't be paid the same as men, they only play 3 sets, why should they get equal pay?" If they generated as much interest and revenue as the men then they should. They dont though, so they shouldnt | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. " Well, as I say, I know nothing about football. Just putting ideas out there to contribute. | |||
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"I don't know but are they doing the same job as men? According to the job description I mean." If that's the case, every player should be on the same wages. How can there be a call for equal pay when everyone's pay is decided on an individual basis? | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. " And where does this end exactly? Should the CFO of a company donate half his salary to the janitor. The janitor probably works just as hard as what he does as the CFO does | |||
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"And where’s this money going to come from? On the note of pay, I’m pretty sure the England's men’s team have for many years been donating their international paycheques to charity " Yes, they do. Should think some of the women do too, though you could understand if some of them needed to keep the money more. From what I remember, it's "only" about £2000 a game as an appearance fee, so chicken feed for most of the men, but still a great thing to do. I don't think many footballers get enough credit for their charity work, but that's a separate thread! | |||
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"Female footballers want to be paid the same as the male equivalent? Cool... Just make as much money then you can have the same wage. Simple as that. It's not equality if you're not pulling your weight. To be fair they are not doing anything different. They are pulling their weight, they are giving it their all (much more than a lot of the men to be fair) it's just that the fans dictate which side gets the money. If fans stopped watching men's football and watched women's that right there is the shift for more pay. The funding would shift, sponsors would shift. I know that's not going to happen, but that has nothing to do with women's football not pulling their weight. People (majority men) are just not as interested in watching women's, and most of the reasons is not lack of ability. Even if the women could run rings around the men on the field, I doubt the interest would be there. " Exactly, they might be playing the same game, but theyre not pulling the same interest, as a result there is not enough money to be paid the same. You wouldn't pay the same for a burger made by Gordon ramsay as you would Susan from down the road | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. Well, as I say, I know nothing about football. Just putting ideas out there to contribute." I think a salary cap in the respective leagues could help. Rather than an equal pay it could be an equal share of revenues. | |||
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"I don't watch football, probably never will. But I am aware how popular men's football is and how much money it brings in, you can't shout equality when women's football doesn't match it. Technically they do the same job, but at different levels. I'd be a tad pissed off if I was the CEO of Amazon and being paid the same as a CEO of the candle shop on the high street. Yes male footballers do get paid ridiculous amounts, let's be honest, if we could do it, we all would. " Best answer so far | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. Well, as I say, I know nothing about football. Just putting ideas out there to contribute. I think a salary cap in the respective leagues could help. Rather than an equal pay it could be an equal share of revenues." You mean the revenues that are mostly generated by the men? | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. And where does this end exactly? Should the CFO of a company donate half his salary to the janitor. The janitor probably works just as hard as what he does as the CFO does" But a CFO is hardly doing the same job as a cleaner. Men and women footballers both kick the same ball around the same pitch for the same time. Same job. | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. And where does this end exactly? Should the CFO of a company donate half his salary to the janitor. The janitor probably works just as hard as what he does as the CFO does But a CFO is hardly doing the same job as a cleaner. Men and women footballers both kick the same ball around the same pitch for the same time. Same job. " So do 10 year olds on a Sunday morning,should we pay them the same? | |||
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"Female footballers want to be paid the same as the male equivalent? Cool... Just make as much money then you can have the same wage. Simple as that. It's not equality if you're not pulling your weight. To be fair they are not doing anything different. They are pulling their weight, they are giving it their all (much more than a lot of the men to be fair) it's just that the fans dictate which side gets the money. If fans stopped watching men's football and watched women's that right there is the shift for more pay. The funding would shift, sponsors would shift. I know that's not going to happen, but that has nothing to do with women's football not pulling their weight. People (majority men) are just not as interested in watching women's, and most of the reasons is not lack of ability. Even if the women could run rings around the men on the field, I doubt the interest would be there. What? Of course it would. If women were better at it than men then it would absolutely tilt the balance of interest. Thats the whole crux of it" Tip the balance but not to the heights that mens football is at. The mentality of a large chunk of football fans (actual % I could not say, it may not be the majority but it is still a large number to impact) is total ridicule of anything to do with women in football. Everything from players, to refs, to commentators and presenters. You certainly would not have the same total income from women's football making as much the men's do currently across the board. At least not anytime soon. | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. And where does this end exactly? Should the CFO of a company donate half his salary to the janitor. The janitor probably works just as hard as what he does as the CFO does But a CFO is hardly doing the same job as a cleaner. Men and women footballers both kick the same ball around the same pitch for the same time. Same job. " A job which men do a multiple of times better than the women do. So therefore, they are paid a multiple of times more than women. Why is this so hard to understand? | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. Well, as I say, I know nothing about football. Just putting ideas out there to contribute. I think a salary cap in the respective leagues could help. Rather than an equal pay it could be an equal share of revenues. You mean the revenues that are mostly generated by the men? " No I mean the revenues generated by each team. So the women would get a percentage of gates, tv, sponsors that they have generated themselves. It’s the closest thing to equality I can think of. | |||
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"Female footballers want to be paid the same as the male equivalent? Cool... Just make as much money then you can have the same wage. Simple as that. It's not equality if you're not pulling your weight. To be fair they are not doing anything different. They are pulling their weight, they are giving it their all (much more than a lot of the men to be fair) it's just that the fans dictate which side gets the money. If fans stopped watching men's football and watched women's that right there is the shift for more pay. The funding would shift, sponsors would shift. I know that's not going to happen, but that has nothing to do with women's football not pulling their weight. People (majority men) are just not as interested in watching women's, and most of the reasons is not lack of ability. Even if the women could run rings around the men on the field, I doubt the interest would be there. What? Of course it would. If women were better at it than men then it would absolutely tilt the balance of interest. Thats the whole crux of it Tip the balance but not to the heights that mens football is at. The mentality of a large chunk of football fans (actual % I could not say, it may not be the majority but it is still a large number to impact) is total ridicule of anything to do with women in football. Everything from players, to refs, to commentators and presenters. You certainly would not have the same total income from women's football making as much the men's do currently across the board. At least not anytime soon. " I would wager if we woke up tomorrow and all of a sudden women footballers were suddenly at a level that they were beating their male counterparts, doing things that messi, ronaldo, salah, de bruyne etc were doing it wouldnt take long for the general public to sit up, watch it and then the inevitable commercial knock on effect would follow. | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. Well, as I say, I know nothing about football. Just putting ideas out there to contribute. I think a salary cap in the respective leagues could help. Rather than an equal pay it could be an equal share of revenues. You mean the revenues that are mostly generated by the men? No I mean the revenues generated by each team. So the women would get a percentage of gates, tv, sponsors that they have generated themselves. It’s the closest thing to equality I can think of." Isnt that prob similar enough to what it already is now? | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. And where does this end exactly? Should the CFO of a company donate half his salary to the janitor. The janitor probably works just as hard as what he does as the CFO does But a CFO is hardly doing the same job as a cleaner. Men and women footballers both kick the same ball around the same pitch for the same time. Same job. A job which men do a multiple of times better than the women do. So therefore, they are paid a multiple of times more than women. Why is this so hard to understand? " Don’t patronise people, I’m not finding it hard to understand. Do you understand that people are entitled to debate, contribute and have alternative views to you? I answered your point about the CFO and the cleaner. My final point before I remove myself from this delightful exchange, is that how are men multiple times better? They may be more popular but that doesn’t make them better. And it’s the popularity that creates the revenue allowing them to be paid more. Signing off now, before I say something worthy of a ban!! | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. Well, as I say, I know nothing about football. Just putting ideas out there to contribute. I think a salary cap in the respective leagues could help. Rather than an equal pay it could be an equal share of revenues. You mean the revenues that are mostly generated by the men? No I mean the revenues generated by each team. So the women would get a percentage of gates, tv, sponsors that they have generated themselves. It’s the closest thing to equality I can think of. Isnt that prob similar enough to what it already is now?" I don’t know enough about women’s football to comment but I’d imagine it’s massively subsidised by the men’s game which in my eyes isn’t equality. | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. And where does this end exactly? Should the CFO of a company donate half his salary to the janitor. The janitor probably works just as hard as what he does as the CFO does But a CFO is hardly doing the same job as a cleaner. Men and women footballers both kick the same ball around the same pitch for the same time. Same job. A job which men do a multiple of times better than the women do. So therefore, they are paid a multiple of times more than women. Why is this so hard to understand? " My son played a girls team two years older ( County team) as well. He's U15s. The boys won 23-0. My son said at the time. If I was a girl I could play for England. The level is totally different. In time maybe... | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. And where does this end exactly? Should the CFO of a company donate half his salary to the janitor. The janitor probably works just as hard as what he does as the CFO does But a CFO is hardly doing the same job as a cleaner. Men and women footballers both kick the same ball around the same pitch for the same time. Same job. So do 10 year olds on a Sunday morning,should we pay them the same?" No, because they are ten and not professional players earning salaries  | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. Well, as I say, I know nothing about football. Just putting ideas out there to contribute. I think a salary cap in the respective leagues could help. Rather than an equal pay it could be an equal share of revenues. You mean the revenues that are mostly generated by the men? No I mean the revenues generated by each team. So the women would get a percentage of gates, tv, sponsors that they have generated themselves. It’s the closest thing to equality I can think of. Isnt that prob similar enough to what it already is now? I don’t know enough about women’s football to comment but I’d imagine it’s massively subsidised by the men’s game which in my eyes isn’t equality. " Well if thats the case, then true equality would lead to the gap being even wider between them | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. And where does this end exactly? Should the CFO of a company donate half his salary to the janitor. The janitor probably works just as hard as what he does as the CFO does But a CFO is hardly doing the same job as a cleaner. Men and women footballers both kick the same ball around the same pitch for the same time. Same job. A job which men do a multiple of times better than the women do. So therefore, they are paid a multiple of times more than women. Why is this so hard to understand? Don’t patronise people, I’m not finding it hard to understand. Do you understand that people are entitled to debate, contribute and have alternative views to you? I answered your point about the CFO and the cleaner. My final point before I remove myself from this delightful exchange, is that how are men multiple times better? They may be more popular but that doesn’t make them better. And it’s the popularity that creates the revenue allowing them to be paid more. Signing off now, before I say something worthy of a ban!!" My eyes and the eyes of everyone else tell me that men are a multiple times better at it than women. | |||
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"I think the 'men' should be remunerated at the •same• salaries as the 'women'. Beat me to it, Nero! I don’t watch football or follow news stories, but I’ve always been aware of the silly money some male players receive. What if a club was to take their men’s and women’s teams as one entity and pay them equal pay, across the whole club membership. Maybe captains get a bit more and second team players get a bit less. It’s not the fault of a female player that women’s football isn’t as commercially lucrative. That’s a societal issue and is unlikely to ever balance (in my opinion). The female players aren’t working any less hard or doing less on the pitch. How would that work? For example Newcastle are currently a top 4 Premier League side whereas the women’s team are in the 3rd or 4th division. Well, as I say, I know nothing about football. Just putting ideas out there to contribute. I think a salary cap in the respective leagues could help. Rather than an equal pay it could be an equal share of revenues. You mean the revenues that are mostly generated by the men? No I mean the revenues generated by each team. So the women would get a percentage of gates, tv, sponsors that they have generated themselves. It’s the closest thing to equality I can think of. Isnt that prob similar enough to what it already is now? I don’t know enough about women’s football to comment but I’d imagine it’s massively subsidised by the men’s game which in my eyes isn’t equality. Well if thats the case, then true equality would lead to the gap being even wider between them" The US women’s team get the same appearance fee and win bonus as the men’s team which is fair because that isn’t based on revenues but for true equality at club level they should be paid what they are worth, the same as any male footballer. | |||
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"Women tennis players shouldn't be paid the same as men, they only play 3 sets, why should they get equal pay? If they generated as much interest and revenue as the men then they should. They dont though, so they shouldnt" Even if they did generate revenue, they still only play 3 sets | |||
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"Women tennis players shouldn't be paid the same as men, they only play 3 sets, why should they get equal pay? If they generated as much interest and revenue as the men then they should. They dont though, so they shouldnt Even if they did generate revenue, they still only play 3 sets" True, but if they were to brinfin the same number of punters despite doing less work, then you would have to recognise that. If the general public decided 3 sets was of the same of higher interest to them than 5 sets, then that should be the barometer. We dont though, which is one of the reasons men generate more interest/revenue. That and the fact , once again, that men are better than women at the actual game. The difference is probably less stark in tennis, but still relevant | |||
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"Women tennis players shouldn't be paid the same as men, they only play 3 sets, why should they get equal pay? If they generated as much interest and revenue as the men then they should. They dont though, so they shouldnt Even if they did generate revenue, they still only play 3 sets True, but if they were to brinfin the same number of punters despite doing less work, then you would have to recognise that. If the general public decided 3 sets was of the same of higher interest to them than 5 sets, then that should be the barometer. We dont though, which is one of the reasons men generate more interest/revenue. That and the fact , once again, that men are better than women at the actual game. The difference is probably less stark in tennis, but still relevant" I think its also important to note, 5 set matches only apply in the slams All other tour events, to the best of my knowledge, are 3 sets | |||
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"Why the obsession with "equal" pay. That could hinder pro female players earning more than males in the future. Ok. the reality is currently the male game generates huge income so its all pro rata. But its worth noting a LOT of younger females at school play and they may influence the game further down the line. But I do wish to make the point this perceived "utopia" of equality isn't always the magic answer to everything. " Indeed. And the reason for this is because, dig below the surface, and what it really involves is dragging one set of people down to other levels, instead of focusing on raising one set up to another. | |||
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"Why the obsession with "equal" pay. That could hinder pro female players earning more than males in the future. Ok. the reality is currently the male game generates huge income so its all pro rata. But its worth noting a LOT of younger females at school play and they may influence the game further down the line. But I do wish to make the point this perceived "utopia" of equality isn't always the magic answer to everything. Indeed. And the reason for this is because, dig below the surface, and what it really involves is dragging one set of people down to other levels, instead of focusing on raising one set up to another. " Exactly. Sometimes equality is the answer to a situation. But other times late "viva la difference" dictate as equality can be detrimental - like when salaries are reduced to achieve. equality. | |||
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"Why the obsession with "equal" pay. That could hinder pro female players earning more than males in the future. Ok. the reality is currently the male game generates huge income so its all pro rata. But its worth noting a LOT of younger females at school play and they may influence the game further down the line. But I do wish to make the point this perceived "utopia" of equality isn't always the magic answer to everything. Indeed. And the reason for this is because, dig below the surface, and what it really involves is dragging one set of people down to other levels, instead of focusing on raising one set up to another. Exactly. Sometimes equality is the answer to a situation. But other times late "viva la difference" dictate as equality can be detrimental - like when salaries are reduced to achieve. equality. " Yep. As with most things in life, we should be focused on equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. Equality of outcome is equity, and that can only be present in a very narrow set of situations ie 2 people doing the exact same job to the exact same levels of quality with the exact same output | |||
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"Female footballers want to be paid the same as the male equivalent? Cool... Just make as much money then you can have the same wage. Simple as that. It's not equality if you're not pulling your weight. " How are the women not pulling their weight? They play 90min matches. They train in the same pattern as the men (days of the week, duration etc). They play on the same pitch with the same size goal, despite the average woman being 8 inches shorter than the average man (5ft 2 vs 5ft 10). They have a domestic league. FA Cup competition. League Cup competition. European league competition. International series, including World and European championships. The female players doing all of the above only turned full professional in 2014. Less than 10yrs. Who's fault was it that women's football didn't grow in the same way as men's football? Dick Kerr's Ladies played St Helen's Ladies on Boxing Day 1920 in front of a a crowd of 53,000, which is more than many premier league men's games. What happened?? Something happened in 1921......... | |||
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"Female footballers want to be paid the same as the male equivalent? Cool... Just make as much money then you can have the same wage. Simple as that. It's not equality if you're not pulling your weight. How are the women not pulling their weight? They play 90min matches. They train in the same pattern as the men (days of the week, duration etc). They play on the same pitch with the same size goal, despite the average woman being 8 inches shorter than the average man (5ft 2 vs 5ft 10). They have a domestic league. FA Cup competition. League Cup competition. European league competition. International series, including World and European championships. The female players doing all of the above only turned full professional in 2014. Less than 10yrs. Who's fault was it that women's football didn't grow in the same way as men's football? Dick Kerr's Ladies played St Helen's Ladies on Boxing Day 1920 in front of a a crowd of 53,000, which is more than many premier league men's games. What happened?? Something happened in 1921......... " So what do you suggest then? | |||
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"They were banned from playing. As I said earlier, I was Tvh the WSL. I actually go to games. However the standard is no where near the men’s, as you say, it’s not been 10years since it started to grow again. The game simply isn’t good enough to generate money like the men’s game. Not rocket science. " Unfortunately it's not going to improve without someone putting the money in, though. It's taken over 100yrs for the men's game to develop to what it is. Are we suggesting women might be waiting over 100yrs for a better deal? No sport played by both men and women is identical, the "standard", the speed, the number of goals (with the same size goal but shorter 'keepers) is always going to be different due to the difference in the physical abilities of the average female footballer. Kylian Mbappé can sprint at about 22mph (comparison of approx 27mph for Usain Bolt). The fastest female pro sprinters on Earth hit about 21mph (Elaine Thompson-Herah's Tokyo Olympic winning time of 10.61s used to give that figure). So the fact a male footballer could probably outrun the women's 100m sprint champion should tell you what you need to know about the pace you should expect of women's football etc. | |||
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"How much revenue did the last women's soccer world cup generate vs the last men's world cup" A quick google search says the 2018 men’s World Cup final was watched by 3.5bn people. The women’s final in 2015 was watched by 764m people. | |||
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"Apparently female footballers are calling for equal pay to the men. I think it’s already happened in the US but the Canadian team recently threatened to strike to push for this also. The Wimbledon tennis event, for example, now rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. So do the female footballers have a case ? Thoughts / opinions please ?" Short answer to this. No they do not have a case. | |||
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"Don't pay any of them anything bar expenses. Let them do it for the love of the game." The men, you mean? The women spent the period 1921 - 2014 playing for absolutely nothing in most cases, not even expenses | |||
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"As others have mentioned it all comes down to revenue and worth. The Women’s World Cup generated $131million in revenue. The players pot which is based on a percentage of revenue. The women players pot was worth $30 million. This is just over 20% of what they generated. Now the men’s world cup generated $6 Billion in revenue! The players pot worked out at $$400 million. The percentage figure worked out for the players point was 7%. So looking at that based purely on percentages women are paid a greater percentage. Where’s the discrimination now? Why should the women’s players pot be $400 million if they can only generate $131 million? Like premiership clubs the money you earn is based on your performance. In tennis should women be paid the same? The maximum number of sets women have to play is 3. Men it’s 5. Who has to work harder for their titles? If you want true equality then do away with men’s/women’s competition and have a mixed tournament for the same money. Again equality for ALL. In retrospect that’s stupid because the simple fact is women can never compete against men in most sports!! The Australians women’s soccer team were beaten 7-0 by a clubs U-15 boys team. To conclude: Absolutely Not. " | |||
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"Don't pay any of them anything bar expenses. Let them do it for the love of the game. The men, you mean? The women spent the period 1921 - 2014 playing for absolutely nothing in most cases, not even expenses "Men, women any of them. If the quality of the games goes down, so be it. It'll be on tv less, which leaves me with more test card transmission to watch,! | |||
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"What do you think OP? " Thanks for asking. In a nutshell I think whilst it is the same product on the pitch (yes I think we can all agree the quality is not at the same levels as their male counterparts but that doesn’t detract from it being a conventional game of football) the numbers behind the scenes are chalk and cheese. A case in point is Arsenal recently tried to lure Russo from Man Utd for a British record of £0.5 Million. Compare that with the £100 Million plus Chelsea recently paid for the Argentine World Cup winner. I think, whilst not directly being related to salaries, those figures go somewhat to highlight the disproportionate finances invoked across both disciplines. But what I am not privy to is exactly what the female players are asking for. Do they want parity with the average salary at, say, Crewe Alexandra or at Manchester City ? I really have no idea what kid of salaries the ladies are on at the moment so it’s hard to make an informed call. But for the sake of drawing a conclusion I would say if they want to be on a par with Premier league players (as the WSL is the top tier of English ladies football) then No they don’t have a case. | |||
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"Apparently female footballers are calling for equal pay to the men. I think it’s already happened in the US but the Canadian team recently threatened to strike to push for this also. The Wimbledon tennis event, for example, now rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. So do the female footballers have a case ? Thoughts / opinions please ?" Not sure you can just demand the same pay as others can you? It's an entirely different sport and economy. But if they merit it and it is commercially viable pay them what they are worth. Probably be a lot her 30 years be for the women's game has the same commercial footprint as the mens... And when that happens of course pay them market value. Same as anyone else. | |||
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"By some people's logic, The supporting acts to Elton John, Adele, Madonna etc, etc should be paid the same has the main acts. Because they are both singing. Like has been mentioned not all the men in the same team get paid the same. One player can be making 4 maybe 5 times þhe amount of another, depending on their importance to the team or club. So how can you we have equality. Maybe people want a communist government, so we can all be paid equally. " From what I’ve seen on here over the years I don’t think you’re far wrong with that last paragraph. | |||
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"By some people's logic, The supporting acts to Elton John, Adele, Madonna etc, etc should be paid the same has the main acts. Because they are both singing. Like has been mentioned not all the men in the same team get paid the same. One player can be making 4 maybe 5 times þhe amount of another, depending on their importance to the team or club. So how can you we have equality. Maybe people want a communist government, so we can all be paid equally. " Can you imagine if they all got paid the same as ronaldo.. How much season tickets would be.? | |||
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"Why is there even separate mens and womens football? Regardless of gender, if you make the grade you make the team and are paid accordingly. Soldiers are all paid the same for their role, not their gender. So are police and many other occupations." With all due respect there are seperate games because the top flight female players would barely crack league two teams. It's an unfashionable fact, but it remains a fact | |||
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"Why is there even separate mens and womens football? Regardless of gender, if you make the grade you make the team and are paid accordingly. Soldiers are all paid the same for their role, not their gender. So are police and many other occupations." Is that a serious question? How many women do you actually think would make the team if that were the way it is? | |||
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"Why is there even separate mens and womens football? Regardless of gender, if you make the grade you make the team and are paid accordingly. Soldiers are all paid the same for their role, not their gender. So are police and many other occupations. With all due respect there are seperate games because the top flight female players would barely crack league two teams. It's an unfashionable fact, but it remains a fact " League two would be pushing it! Unfashionable or not it is a fact. I don’t get how people can’t see this. | |||
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"Why is there even separate mens and womens football? Regardless of gender, if you make the grade you make the team and are paid accordingly. Soldiers are all paid the same for their role, not their gender. So are police and many other occupations. With all due respect there are seperate games because the top flight female players would barely crack league two teams. It's an unfashionable fact, but it remains a fact " Then the question is answered. They aren’t doing the job to the same level. I bet there are a few that could though. | |||
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"Football players are paid based on what a club thinks they're worth, there is no equal pay
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"At international level they may have a case. At club level it’s impossible until they generate the same level of revenue as their male counterparts." Which they won't be able to do until as much money and advertising is put into it. | |||
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"Football players are paid based on what a club thinks they're worth, there is no equal pay
"Nooooooooo I think all footy-ball players should earn as much as CR7 (did) and Mr Haaland etc. does *nods* | |||
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"Let women play with men to get the same pay Also apply it to rugby.." Because this applies to most sports, does it?! Fuck sake | |||
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"Let women play with men to get the same pay Also apply it to rugby.." • Let men give birth to male footballers and pay them the stars, the moon, the pulsars and the cosmos. | |||
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"Apparently female footballers are calling for equal pay to the men. I think it’s already happened in the US but the Canadian team recently threatened to strike to push for this also. The Wimbledon tennis event, for example, now rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. I personally have never thought it right. For the amount of sets reasons. Either make women do 5 sets or men do 3 if parity on prize money is my feeling for this So do the female footballers have a case ? Thoughts / opinions please ? It's a matter of contention that the Wimbledon tennis event financially rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. Men’s singles matches at Grand Slams are played as best-of-five encounters while the same on the women’s side of things continues to remain a best-of-three encounter. Men get paid the same but play (work) almost twice the amount for the same pay." | |||
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"Let women play with men to get the same pay Also apply it to rugby.. • Let men give birth to male footballers and pay them the stars, the moon, the pulsars and the cosmos." You may talk to the maker of humanity about that one! | |||
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"At the end of the day, football is a business. However, player wages have to be decided based on how much money is coming into the club." Why can the club (e.g. Man Utd.) not pay all players the same with the totality of the money they have coming in? Otherwise, they may as well pay Player A twice as much as Player B, because he's the real earner. | |||
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"At the end of the day, football is a business. However, player wages have to be decided based on how much money is coming into the club. Why can the club (e.g. Man Utd.) not pay all players the same with the totality of the money they have coming in? Otherwise, they may as well pay Player A twice as much as Player B, because he's the real earner. " Currently, that's exactly what happens. Player A at Man U (gender irrelevant) may earn X, as negotiated by their agent at the start of the contract. Player B, deemed less skilled or desired by other clubs might only be earning Y. That's how it works in both the men's and women's games. It's just that X and Y in the WSL are a lot lower than in the Premier League. WSL salaries probably more closely align for the most part with men's league 1 or 2, with a few exceptions. | |||
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"I’d fight more for the men footballers to be brought down to the ladies much more realistic and also comfortable living payscale….
Equality and all that. "That makes a lot of sence. | |||
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"Again it’s income value against pay like others have said And isn’t ladies England team all volunteers ? thought a mixed international game would be fun ,mixed teams " No, England Ladies are not all volunteers! And the vast majority of sport is gender segregated for a reason! The only sports I can think of where men and women compete as equals are equestrian sport and motorsports (I'm ignoring mixed relays in athletics, triathlon and swimming etc). | |||
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"Apparently female footballers are calling for equal pay to the men. I think it’s already happened in the US but the Canadian team recently threatened to strike to push for this also. The Wimbledon tennis event, for example, now rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. So do the female footballers have a case ? Thoughts / opinions please ?" For international matches yes I agree but for domestic games it would be impossible at this time to pay “equal” because the women’s games doesn’t bring in the same revenue. You mentioned tennis and the women having equal pay to the men. There’s an arguement that the women are now paid better, just hear me out. Women’s match is best of three sets, worst case scenario all 7-6 games which means 39 games across 3 sets. Men play best of 5 sets which could mean 65 games over 5 sets. | |||
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"Apparently female footballers are calling for equal pay to the men. I think it’s already happened in the US but the Canadian team recently threatened to strike to push for this also. The Wimbledon tennis event, for example, now rewards the winner of the ladies singles and the men’s singles the same. So do the female footballers have a case ? Thoughts / opinions please ? For international matches yes I agree but for domestic games it would be impossible at this time to pay “equal” because the women’s games doesn’t bring in the same revenue. You mentioned tennis and the women having equal pay to the men. There’s an arguement that the women are now paid better, just hear me out. Women’s match is best of three sets, worst case scenario all 7-6 games which means 39 games across 3 sets. Men play best of 5 sets which could mean 65 games over 5 sets. " Yeah, but the women wear short skirts and fluffy nickers, that’s got to be worth more in terms of audience attraction | |||
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"The simple solution in Sport would seem to stop having say mens football & womens football & just have football for Everyone. those that are good enough (man or woman) will be paid more those who arent wont be paid well. thats called equality" So in effect, youre basically excluding women then from any high level of competition in football. Because that will be the end result of it | |||
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"The simple solution in Sport would seem to stop having say mens football & womens football & just have football for Everyone. those that are good enough (man or woman) will be paid more those who arent wont be paid well. thats called equality So in effect, youre basically excluding women then from any high level of competition in football. Because that will be the end result of it" Thats a bit harsh? I've seen some fine acting by women who could easily play 'roll round on the ground pretending they've broken a spine', before making a full and sudden recovery as soon as they get a free kick- although they do seem to lack some of the other skills to blatantly cheat like the men do? | |||
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"I see the Scottish ladies have now followed the lead of the Canadians. ‘ Scotland women's national football team are taking legal action against the Scottish FA in a fight over equal pay and conditions after talks broke down. The squad, led by captain Rachel Corsie, are ready to take their case to an employment tribunal. The players consider there to be disparities between their treatment and that of their male counterparts.’ From the BBC website. " Be interesting to understand a bit more of the disparities in both sides...surely It comes down to the revenue the respective teams generate. When they sell out hampden Park at full price tickets I'm sure they'll get equal packages... I know the women rugby players were moaning that they weren't being flown club class but the men were.. | |||
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"I see the Scottish ladies have now followed the lead of the Canadians. ‘ Scotland women's national football team are taking legal action against the Scottish FA in a fight over equal pay and conditions after talks broke down. The squad, led by captain Rachel Corsie, are ready to take their case to an employment tribunal. The players consider there to be disparities between their treatment and that of their male counterparts.’ From the BBC website. Be interesting to understand a bit more of the disparities in both sides...surely It comes down to the revenue the respective teams generate. When they sell out hampden Park at full price tickets I'm sure they'll get equal packages... I know the women rugby players were moaning that they weren't being flown club class but the men were.. " Do you think there's some suggestions that the money needed to bring up the pay to the same level as the male players should come from the men's teams? For example Chelsea. The women's team is no-where near as well off financially as the men's team, so maybe there's an expectation of sourcing this cash from them. | |||
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"At international level they may have a case. At club level it’s impossible until they generate the same level of revenue as their male counterparts." 100 % agree | |||
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"I see the Scottish ladies have now followed the lead of the Canadians. ‘ Scotland women's national football team are taking legal action against the Scottish FA in a fight over equal pay and conditions after talks broke down. The squad, led by captain Rachel Corsie, are ready to take their case to an employment tribunal. The players consider there to be disparities between their treatment and that of their male counterparts.’ From the BBC website. Be interesting to understand a bit more of the disparities in both sides...surely It comes down to the revenue the respective teams generate. When they sell out hampden Park at full price tickets I'm sure they'll get equal packages... I know the women rugby players were moaning that they weren't being flown club class but the men were.. Do you think there's some suggestions that the money needed to bring up the pay to the same level as the male players should come from the men's teams? For example Chelsea. The women's team is no-where near as well off financially as the men's team, so maybe there's an expectation of sourcing this cash from them." I have no idea how they would propose to fund it. I mean ultimately it may need investment funding to help it grow... Equally whilst revenues may be high... There aren't many mens prem teams in football or rugby that are turning a profit.... So perhaps the women's game can learn from that. | |||
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"I don't know but are they doing the same job as men? According to the job description I mean." in my work the pay i get is some 20000 less than others in a differaint company. you get paid what the product you deliver is worth. | |||
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