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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He.

What is going on here guys?

It's all over the news

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Firstly there is no such thing as “The Church”, and secondly I could not care less.

But given the churchgoing demographic it seems very very unlikely that this will happen.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He.

What is going on here guys?

It's all over the news "
They can't do that...... The bible!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He.

What is going on here guys?

It's all over the news "

The immaculate conception knocked up Mary from heaven surely he has magic cock and balls?

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

When all is said and done,

You'll believe God is a woman.

And I, I feel it after midnight,

A feelin' that you can't fight, my one.

It lingers when we're done,

You'll believe God is a woman.

A

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Is god a he?

Depends which one I suppose but if you are making up a deity surely you can make them whatever you want?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I reckon non binary

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

If you believe in God it can be anything you like

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

And man created earth....... Cmon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And man created earth....... Cmon "

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He.

What is going on here guys?

It's all over the news "

Religions don't have enough to argue about so they've put this out there. It makes all the difference. All that renaissance art of white bearded men will have to be repainted and add some rainbows while at it. I can see this ending well for all the god based religions.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly.

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By *an4funMan
over a year ago

london


"He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly."

Liz Truss anyone?

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By *reyToTheFairiesWoman
over a year ago

Carlisle usually

Assigning a gender to a concept is all a little pointless, no?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today."

Maybe so but God is now declared to be non binary.... And lo at the stroke of a pen, the world was made a better place, fanfares of non binary angels sang out and the ten commandments were corrected with their magic finger. Though shalt not covet thy neighbours non binary partner.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like.

"

Did you go and correct them.? That's pretty shitty teaching.

... And on the 7th day they stayed at home and they did strike.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like.

Did you go and correct them.? That's pretty shitty teaching.

... And on the 7th day they stayed at home and they did strike. "

Not this 7th day though as its half term.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly.

Liz Truss anyone?"

That's politics, we all know politicians are really just gender less soul sucking demons that are the spawn of each of the 7 deadly sins.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.

Maybe so but God is now declared to be non binary.... And lo at the stroke of a pen, the world was made a better place, fanfares of non binary angels sang out and the ten commandments were corrected with their magic finger. Though shalt not covet thy neighbours non binary partner."

Angels weren't male or female.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"?

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield


"Assigning a gender to a concept is all a little pointless, no?"

I totally agree, but it’s all over the text.

I’d just treat it like the French do, and yeah ok there’s a masculine pronoun, but let’s not get too hung up on God’s genitals.

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By *issKissBangBang69Couple
over a year ago

Fareham/Bournemouth

I thought he/she was a dj…..

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield


"God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"?"

That has literally nothing to do with this besides shitstirring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought he/she was a dj….."

For one night only.

"For tonight, god is a dj"

Maxi Jazz has taken over now.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

That’s ruined the last episode of Lucifer for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"?

That has literally nothing to do with this besides shitstirring. "

Surely this threads not being taken seriously anyway

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"?"

Well indeed so.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield


"Surely this threads not being taken seriously anyway "

Hopefully not, but the world is full of gurning imbeciles going “yeah but what about those people who are a bit different to me that I’m somehow obsessed with uhhhhhh” and it spoils the vibe for the rest of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The church always seem to nail it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God is fictitious so who cares about gender.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

There is more than one god, all hail Asgard!

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By *asterR and slut mayaMan
over a year ago

Bradford

Those wishing to find out the answer. There is a simply route to do so .sadly you won't be able to come back and tell us the answer so we be all left wondering apart from them that think they know.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"God is fictitious so who cares about gender. "

Lots of people. Surely you can see that? Or do you think the same applies to all fictitious characters... Gender is significant in story telling isn't it? Or are we to gender wash all fiction too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"?

That has literally nothing to do with this besides shitstirring. "

If you think that then you really need to educate yourself and stop as you put it "shitstirring"

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Nowhere

If God was a Woman the planet would be tidier!! Whoosh. There we go 1973 sexist attitude…. I think God is a gender non neutral binary being who probably drives an all electric car and has Sam Smith playing all day long… oh..no .. that might be hell I’m thinking of!!!

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

What next….

The Parent

The Child

The Holy Ghost

Or

The Carer

The Dependant

The Holy Ghost?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"What next….

The Parent

The Child

The Holy Ghost

Or

The Carer

The Dependant

The Holy Ghost?"

Life of Brian was way ahead of its time...

You can't have babies Stan, you don't have a womb.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

Good...

Any God by definition is IT

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth "
Even means level the earths round cmon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like.

Did you go and correct them.? That's pretty shitty teaching.

... And on the 7th day they stayed at home and they did strike. "

I didn't on this occasion, but I should of. A lot of teachers at our children's school are hopeless.

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By *ecky and justCouple
over a year ago

Godalming

Made up fictitious character and exists only in peoples imaginations.

Make it whatever you like. Can be a purple asexual octopus with dreadlocks if you like.

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By *an4funMan
over a year ago

london


"Made up fictitious character and exists only in peoples imaginations.

Make it whatever you like. Can be a purple asexual octopus with dreadlocks if you like. "

That sounds like my kind of god. Shrooms for the Eucharist

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By *p4funCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

There's approximately 4,200 known religions I'm guessing someone knows lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon "

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yep religious folks are all about embracing new things and tolerance.

God will be a black lesbian by next Sunday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To paraphrase a popular meme..'God promised an end to suffering and poverty, Odin promised to rid the world of Ice Giants...not seen any Ice Giants lately'.

In all seriousness, I have no issue with what god/gods someone believes in (or what they look like) if in doing so it brings them some comfort so long as they don't try and impose their beliefs on everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To paraphrase a popular meme..'God promised an end to suffering and poverty, Odin promised to rid the world of Ice Giants...not seen any Ice Giants lately'.

In all seriousness, I have no issue with what god/gods someone believes in (or what they look like) if in doing so it brings them some comfort so long as they don't try and impose their beliefs on everyone else."

Agreed, most dont I volunteer at my landlady's church foodbank a few days a week and they're good people. Fortunately no ones tried to ram anything down my throat yet apart from cups of tea.

Is the town centre crazies ranting and raving I give a wide berth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most don't force beliefs**** I mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....so long as they don't try and impose their beliefs on everyone else."

This exactly. Whatever you want their deity to be...fill your boots!!

Just dont ram it down the throats of us heathens/pagans.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

"
yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Yep religious folks are all about embracing new things and tolerance.

God will be a black lesbian by next Sunday. "

Isn't that the next mcu film?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day "

the edge of your bubble bath?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....so long as they don't try and impose their beliefs on everyone else.

This exactly. Whatever you want their deity to be...fill your boots!!

Just dont ram it down the throats of us heathens/pagans."

Well, God won't be ramming anything down anyone's throat now they've taken that away from him.

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By *ittlebirdWoman
over a year ago

The Big Smoke

Everyone knows God is a woman Tom. And not just any woman. Alanis Morissette

It’s true. I saw it in Dogma

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He.

What is going on here guys?

It's all over the pews "

I am fucking amazed no-one saw that one.

Winston

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By *evonrobMan
over a year ago

Kingsbridge

Imaginary friend can be he, she, they whatever! Seems like all religions have been made up by men, for men so their interpretation would be whatever they wanted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like.

"

That's awful! Who the hell is that teacher to tell a child off for her interpretation of what God looks like! She realises she is teaching a theory which has no bearing.

My son got a detention when he was six for 'upsetting the Vicar' he went to a CofE and the Vicar came and started talking about how God made the earth, the plants the people and animals, my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God'

When I picked him up the teacher explained and I asked 'did he get his answer?' And got told no, the Vicar 'chose not to answer.

Then my boy didn't do his detention, because I chose not to send him, even rang the School the next day to ensure it didn't happen.

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By *sleWightCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Ryde

I've been kept awake at night through an equally valid question:

"Is the bogeyman male or female?"

Both are created trick or treat, but one hasn't caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in history.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God'

"

Absolutely brilliant. From the mouth of babes, as they say.

The simplest and most logical question.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is just to appease the tiny, tiny minority of people like Sam Smith. Should we all change to bow down to such a weird creature?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If god does exist, of course he’d be a he, only a man would make this many fuck ups.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God'

Absolutely brilliant. From the mouth of babes, as they say.

The simplest and most logical question."

I know, he was miffed for days that he never got his answer because we'd always encouraged them to question everything and always gave him an answer, if we didn't know then we found out together

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By *oofy321Man
over a year ago

moon base zero

God is whatever you want them to be

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By *sleWightCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Ryde

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God'

Absolutely brilliant. From the mouth of babes, as they say.

The simplest and most logical question.

I know, he was miffed for days that he never got his answer because we'd always encouraged them to question everything and always gave him an answer, if we didn't know then we found out together

"

Was he actually a priest and not a random old man. That question is asked by kids at Sunday schools every Sunday around the world

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By *sleWightCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Ryde


"My son got a detention when he was six for 'upsetting the Vicar' he went to a CofE and the Vicar came and started talking about how God made the earth, the plants the people and animals, my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God'

When I picked him up the teacher explained and I asked 'did he get his answer?' And got told no, the Vicar 'chose not to answer'.

"

To quote Father Ted:

"That would be an ecumenical matter...it's what I always say when people ask me questions".

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

Does this mean they have to write the fictional stories again and get rid of all he's and she's, him and her etc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Does this mean they have to write the fictional stories again and get rid of all he's and she's, him and her etc? "

No one will notice anyway.

The painting of the creation of man on the sistine Chapel ceiling where God's fingering Adam, he might need to lose the beard.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli


"Does this mean they have to write the fictional stories again and get rid of all he's and she's, him and her etc?

No one will notice anyway.

The painting of the creation of man on the sistine Chapel ceiling where God's fingering Adam, he might need to lose the beard. "

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like.

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Maybe she was referring to god the father?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Penguin

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods"

I don't. It gives people comfort and makes them happy.

Yeah religion is responsible for a lot of shit, but at a kind of base level religious people are kind and caring (in my experience)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods

I don't. It gives people comfort and makes them happy.

Yeah religion is responsible for a lot of shit, but at a kind of base level religious people are kind and caring (in my experience)

"

That’s great, I’m glad that your experience is so positive with religious people. My own experience as a queer transwoman is somewhat different unfortunately. It brings out an ugly side in many religious people (of all religions)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods

I don't. It gives people comfort and makes them happy.

Yeah religion is responsible for a lot of shit, but at a kind of base level religious people are kind and caring (in my experience)

That’s great, I’m glad that your experience is so positive with religious people. My own experience as a queer transwoman is somewhat different unfortunately. It brings out an ugly side in many religious people (of all religions) "

Yeah I'm under no illusion that religion is also responsible for a lot of shit too, was just my thoughts on why some people still have faith.

And obviously can’t imagine your experience with it, you mention peoples ugly side, Some people are just shit.

Anyway, Lemmys my god and everyone's welcome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Penguin "

I'm keen to hear more about this theory.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't care what God is, I'm still not listening.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods

I don't. It gives people comfort and makes them happy.

Yeah religion is responsible for a lot of shit, but at a kind of base level religious people are kind and caring (in my experience)

That’s great, I’m glad that your experience is so positive with religious people. My own experience as a queer transwoman is somewhat different unfortunately. It brings out an ugly side in many religious people (of all religions) "

This is true, but I have also met a number of people from different faiths who have been lovely and there are a number of people who are not religious who can be nasty (usually hiding behind their keyboards...just look at the comments on any Transgender persons Youtube channel for example)

People will be people ..some are nice, some are not so pleasant regardless of any other factors.

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By *sleWightCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Ryde


"Maybe she was referring to god the father?"

That was Marlon Brando, wasn't it?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I've been kept awake at night through an equally valid question:

"Is the bogeyman male or female?"

Both are created trick or treat, but one hasn't caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in history."

Bogeyperson

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s all over the pews!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I don't care what God is, I'm still not listening. "

Always good to have an open mind.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Maybe she was referring to god the father?

That was Marlon Brando, wasn't it? "

Oh very good...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He.

What is going on here guys?

It's all over the news "

God/The creator is a woman

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By *an4funMan
over a year ago

london


"If god does exist, of course he’d be a he, only a man would make this many fuck ups. "

Bless you my son. You will get much clunge for stating this

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By *lymanMan
over a year ago

PLYMOUTH

Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will they start singing thems rather than hymns?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


" Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons "

It's not whether they exist or not. It's that they are now of non binary gender. Once they've gone after God... Who or what is next to be neutered.?

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria

We made them up, we can decide what they identify as.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day

the edge of your bubble bath? "
lol haven't had a bath for 30 years

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over a year ago


" Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons

It's not whether they exist or not. It's that they are now of non binary gender. Once they've gone after God... Who or what is next to be neutered.? "

Read God was portrayed as male because in a patriarchy the highest power is assumed to be male, which it doesn't have to or should be. Is a a step to combat sexism and discrimination against women.

Santa's safe as Mrs clause is the boss bitch and the tooth fairy one of a kind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day

the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years "

Where did the ship go then?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


" Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons

It's not whether they exist or not. It's that they are now of non binary gender. Once they've gone after God... Who or what is next to be neutered.?

Read God was portrayed as male because in a patriarchy the highest power is assumed to be male, which it doesn't have to or should be. Is a a step to combat sexism and discrimination against women.

Santa's safe as Mrs clause is the boss bitch and the tooth fairy one of a kind. "

Phew! Thank god for that (see what I did there)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I am.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons

It's not whether they exist or not. It's that they are now of non binary gender. Once they've gone after God... Who or what is next to be neutered.?

Read God was portrayed as male because in a patriarchy the highest power is assumed to be male, which it doesn't have to or should be. Is a a step to combat sexism and discrimination against women.

Santa's safe as Mrs clause is the boss bitch and the tooth fairy one of a kind.

Phew! Thank god for that (see what I did there) "

Genius.

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By *0ng0 furyMan
over a year ago

Birkenhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ereHvQ9aLEo

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day

the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years

Where did the ship go then? "
exactly

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day

the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years

Where did the ship go then? exactly "

Was it a submarine with seamen in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day

the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years

Where did the ship go then? exactly

Was it a submarine with seamen in? "

Seathey*

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By *un-n-frolicsMan
over a year ago

London

Do they intend to edit the Bible accordingly?

They've been dealt a sexist hand. What can they do. And the idea of an omnipotent, vengeful god is probably pretty masculine - there's a lot to change in their view.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"And man created earth....... Cmon

Bloody poundshop Bibles.

God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon

Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???

Yes it is.

yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day

the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years

Where did the ship go then? exactly

Was it a submarine with seamen in?

Seathey* "

Dammit.. Busted.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

I think you will find that God is a man. His name is Chuck.

He has a sister that he does not really on all that well with, Amara.

He was a bit of a shitty father, so his first born was a bit of a rebel and got kicked out of the family. The rest of his kids had to put up with an absent father, so they are a bit of a mess too.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

I wonder if the people who are agitating for this change are folks who are "religious" but think it will improve their religion.

Not "religious" but would become so if this change is made.

Not "religious" and would not become religious if the change is made.

I'm not. Though one of my children is. Wonder if this will make their religion more valuable for them or less valuable or make no difference to them.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I wonder if the people who are agitating for this change are folks who are "religious" but think it will improve their religion.

Not "religious" but would become so if this change is made.

Not "religious" and would not become religious if the change is made.

I'm not. Though one of my children is. Wonder if this will make their religion more valuable for them or less valuable or make no difference to them.

"

99.99% of the people this will be aimed at are those that have not drank the Kool-aid yet, and an attempt at gaining new followers. They are not the target audience, have no intention of being and very likely never will be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Firstly there is no such thing as “The Church”, and secondly I could not care less. "

Interesting, now just wondering is there a theological thread on Fab?

For that group, the question to answer in less than 100 words: is there such a thing as 'the church' discuss?

To some, church is a building, to the evangelical Christian then you are probably looking at Christian believers, others with a more inclusive view would see it as the Christian religious community as a whole, but you could go for the Greek term 'ekklesia' used in the New Testament and translated into English as 'Church' and that literally means 'assembly', 'congregation', or 'meeting' and is used to identify the early believers in Jesus.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly.

Liz Truss anyone?"

This wins the internet for today

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do they intend to edit the Bible accordingly?

They've been dealt a sexist hand. What can they do. And the idea of an omnipotent, vengeful god is probably pretty masculine - there's a lot to change in their view."

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Women can do vengeful too.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I wonder if the people who are agitating for this change are folks who are "religious" but think it will improve their religion.

Not "religious" but would become so if this change is made.

Not "religious" and would not become religious if the change is made.

I'm not. Though one of my children is. Wonder if this will make their religion more valuable for them or less valuable or make no difference to them.

99.99% of the people this will be aimed at are those that have not drank the Kool-aid yet, and an attempt at gaining new followers. They are not the target audience, have no intention of being and very likely never will be. "

Pr and marketing types then. The Bible, quran and torah Inc had a board meeting and thought.. "what can we do to increase footfall and closure rates?"... I know... Let's have a rainbows campaign, its worked with channel4... Cool

. Let's go to the pub.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield


"Firstly there is no such thing as “The Church”,

.

.

To some, church is a building, to the evangelical Christian …"

In the context of this thread, the OP refers to a single entity, which does not exist.

I’m assuming they mean The Church Of England, but they don’t speak for everyone.

I can’t see the Catholics being down with this, for example. My point is there are loads of independent Christian sects, and CoE is pretty much irrelevant outside of the UK.

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over a year ago


"I wonder if the people who are agitating for this change are folks who are "religious" but think it will improve their religion.

Not "religious" but would become so if this change is made.

Not "religious" and would not become religious if the change is made.

I'm not. Though one of my children is. Wonder if this will make their religion more valuable for them or less valuable or make no difference to them.

99.99% of the people this will be aimed at are those that have not drank the Kool-aid yet, and an attempt at gaining new followers. They are not the target audience, have no intention of being and very likely never will be.

Pr and marketing types then. The Bible, quran and torah Inc had a board meeting and thought.. "what can we do to increase footfall and closure rates?"... I know... Let's have a rainbows campaign, its worked with channel4... Cool

. Let's go to the pub. "

Only the Christians so far.

Pub definitely. Never spent all morning thinking about gods never dick after thirty five years of only thinking about it the normal amount.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Firstly there is no such thing as “The Church”,

.

.

To some, church is a building, to the evangelical Christian …

In the context of this thread, the OP refers to a single entity, which does not exist.

I’m assuming they mean The Church Of England, but they don’t speak for everyone.

I can’t see the Catholics being down with this, for example. My point is there are loads of independent Christian sects, and CoE is pretty much irrelevant outside of the UK. "

See I assumed he meant all religions... Church, temple, mosque et Al... But yes perhaps he means only Christianity based religions

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly."


"If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today."

Im guessing you two have never worked for a company with a significant amount of female managers?

They’re more than capable of clusterfucks of the highest standard, faking it as much as anyone else- with the added bonus of some being majorly bitchy over the pettiest of things.

And to quote of the of female minions I was working with at the time, after upsetting a female HOD ‘as least the blokes will confront you if they have a problem with you and draw a line under it- that cow will beat you with a stiletto for eternity for pointing out her bleeding obvious mistake the janitors cat wouldn’t have made…and she has a masters degree apparently-not that she goes on about it much’

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS
over a year ago

St Austell

It's all over the Hebrews

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over a year ago


"It's all over the Hebrews "

Stretching but it's good!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly.

If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.

Im guessing you two have never worked for a company with a significant amount of female managers?

They’re more than capable of clusterfucks of the highest standard, faking it as much as anyone else- with the added bonus of some being majorly bitchy over the pettiest of things.

And to quote of the of female minions I was working with at the time, after upsetting a female HOD ‘as least the blokes will confront you if they have a problem with you and draw a line under it- that cow will beat you with a stiletto for eternity for pointing out her bleeding obvious mistake the janitors cat wouldn’t have made…and she has a masters degree apparently-not that she goes on about it much’

"

Equality and all that..

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over a year ago


"because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly.

If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today.

Im guessing you two have never worked for a company with a significant amount of female managers?

They’re more than capable of clusterfucks of the highest standard, faking it as much as anyone else- with the added bonus of some being majorly bitchy over the pettiest of things.

And to quote of the of female minions I was working with at the time, after upsetting a female HOD ‘as least the blokes will confront you if they have a problem with you and draw a line under it- that cow will beat you with a stiletto for eternity for pointing out her bleeding obvious mistake the janitors cat wouldn’t have made…and she has a masters degree apparently-not that she goes on about it much’

Equality and all that.. "

Was going to point the irony out. Lol

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By *J35mcrMan
over a year ago

Leigh

As the energy/entity that we call God is not within this universe because it created it therefore could not be in it and is therefore not constrained by physical laws that we are I would say it is neither male nor female it just is

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS
over a year ago

St Austell


"It's all over the Hebrews

Stretching but it's good! "

Thanks - I couldn't decide between that or: "it's all over the Jews!

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over a year ago


"As the energy/entity that we call God is not within this universe because it created it therefore could not be in it and is therefore not constrained by physical laws that we are I would say it is neither male nor female it just is"

Omnipotent innit.

Everywhere and (but mostly) nowhere. But men like whacking dicks on things, not in a gay way just, for fun.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

God is in you! It identifies with you. It is an it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's all over the Hebrews

Stretching but it's good!

Thanks - I couldn't decide between that or: "it's all over the Jews!

"

Oh, that what I'd have gone with

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards. "

And what about dogs?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"As the energy/entity that we call God is not within this universe because it created it therefore could not be in it and is therefore not constrained by physical laws that we are I would say it is neither male nor female it just is

Omnipotent innit.

Everywhere and (but mostly) nowhere. But men like whacking dicks on things, not in a gay way just, for fun. "

Everywhere and nowhere baby? Sounds like a song trev.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Penguin

I'm keen to hear more about this theory. "

Well it's simple.

As plausible as any other theory.

God is a penguin of indeterminate sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As the energy/entity that we call God is not within this universe because it created it therefore could not be in it and is therefore not constrained by physical laws that we are I would say it is neither male nor female it just is

Omnipotent innit.

Everywhere and (but mostly) nowhere. But men like whacking dicks on things, not in a gay way just, for fun.

Everywhere and nowhere baby? Sounds like a song trev. "

Am I Trev?

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards.

And what about dogs? "

Well dogs are just awesome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards.

And what about dogs?

Well dogs are just awesome "

This is true.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT


"I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards. "

Well spare a thought for the agnostic insomniac with dyslexia.

He lies awake at night contemplating whether there is a dog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.

The argument goes something like this: ‘I refuse to prove that I exist,’ says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.’

'But,’ says Man, 'the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.’

'Oh dear,’ says God, 'I hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

'Oh, that was easy,’ says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo’s kidneys, but that didn’t stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his bestselling book, Well That about Wraps It Up for God.

Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.

The argument goes something like this: ‘I refuse to prove that I exist,’ says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.’

'But,’ says Man, 'the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.’

'Oh dear,’ says God, 'I hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

'Oh, that was easy,’ says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo’s kidneys, but that didn’t stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his bestselling book, Well That about Wraps It Up for God.

Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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over a year ago

I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

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over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?"

Hitler believed in God. And didn't like lots of people. Namely but not limited to the Jews.

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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?"

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

Hitler believed in God. And didn't like lots of people. Namely but not limited to the Jews."

That's not what started the war though. Which is the point being made. Religion is part of the catalyst, it is fuel for the flames but it is never the catalyst alone.

Religion was a great way to radicalised, because at the end of the day it is a cult.

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over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

"

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

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By *ormorantMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Who..??

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over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

Hitler believed in God. And didn't like lots of people. Namely but not limited to the Jews.

That's not what started the war though. Which is the point being made. Religion is part of the catalyst, it is fuel for the flames but it is never the catalyst alone.

Religion was a great way to radicalised, because at the end of the day it is a cult. "

They invaded the rhineland in Poland didn't they which indeed kicked it off...it was a war on a religion that killed like 6 million or so.

Can't say that's not religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God is a Jedi

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over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

"

Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory.

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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

Hitler believed in God. And didn't like lots of people. Namely but not limited to the Jews.

That's not what started the war though. Which is the point being made. Religion is part of the catalyst, it is fuel for the flames but it is never the catalyst alone.

Religion was a great way to radicalised, because at the end of the day it is a cult.

They invaded the rhineland in Poland didn't they which indeed kicked it off...it was a war on a religion that killed like 6 million or so.

Can't say that's not religion. "

They invaded Poland to regain the Rhineland which was taken from them as part of the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles.

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By *osey WalesMan
over a year ago

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Terry Pratchett pointed out in Small Gods. Gods only exsist if there are people who believed in the god. That would imply that if the believers believe the God to be male then its male and vice versa. I tend to agree.

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over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?"

Bosnia?

Kosovo?

The Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

Greek War Of Independence?

Sudanese Civil War?

Iran/Iraq War?

Lebanese Civil War?

Pakistan/India War?

The 6 Day War?

Thats just from this century, using my limited knowledge and readings.

You've listed about 10 examples from the last 2000 yrs.

Oh, and the Crusades. The 5 Crusdades i read about, people rallied to the cause because of religion.

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By *iman2100Man
over a year ago

Glasgow

We should ask all these people who say "God spoke to me". Ask if it was a man's or woman's voice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We should ask all these people who say "God spoke to me". Ask if it was a man's or woman's voice.

Just use the force as god is a Jedi

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By *wistedTooCouple
over a year ago

Frimley

We don’t believe in any deity, so we don’t give a shit what people refer it to as.

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin


"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He.

What is going on here guys?

It's all over the news "

Wasting your time with this one tom. The number of people on a place like fab who will have any respect for the church and religious references will be minute. Havent even read the thread but my guess is its full of heeelarious atheists

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory. "

It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths.

Religion wasn't involved?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It’s a well known fact that when god created man she was only kidding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Assigning a gender to a concept is all a little pointless, no?"

Absolutely this!

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over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory.

It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths.

Religion wasn't involved?

"

He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion.

Which of course isnt what was being said.

But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*numerous

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"*numerous "

Yeah you're right. I'm tired lol.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

It is 2023, nothing surprise me, but no, there is no need to change centuries of religious teachings

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By *mma29Couple
over a year ago

wirral

I enjoy listening to Hitchens take on religion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The father

The son (born to a virgin)

And the Holy Ghost

All fictional characters in a best selling book, brilliant marketing and more outlets than Primark !! Less busy though, needs a revamp, C of E needs an image makeover, ask the choirboys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

God is a Jedi I’ve seen it on the tv and in the cinema lol some good comic books also

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory.

It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths.

Religion wasn't involved?

He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion.

Which of course isnt what was being said.

But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts

"

Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate.

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By *mbatman2021Man
over a year ago

Southampton

I think there are many other questions about God they need to answer before what is Gods gender?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there are many other questions about God they need to answer before what is Gods gender? "

Dose it matter when god is a Jedi ?

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli


"I think there are many other questions about God they need to answer before what is Gods gender?

Dose it matter when god is a Jedi ?"

Thought got was a DJ?

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport

And on the 8th day God fucked off, never to be seen again.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory.

It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths.

Religion wasn't involved?

He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion.

Which of course isnt what was being said.

But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts

Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate."

Wires were crossed. He was asking wars directly started because of.

The genocides I mentioned were carried out against a specific religion or seft of a religion. I'm not going into why the holocaust again. It didn't start world war 2 but I don't see the relevance.

Crusades were Christians against Muslim armies in the holy land.

Anyway this was a serious chat about god losing his mojo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there are many other questions about God they need to answer before what is Gods gender?

Dose it matter when god is a Jedi ?

Thought got was a DJ? "

Yeah a Jedi master DJ lol

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Believing in god is like going to a gloryhole. You put your faith on someone you can’t see for the mere hope of happy ending.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Believing in god is like going to a gloryhole. You put your faith on someone you can’t see for the mere hope of happy ending."

Only they've desexed god so there's no chance of a happy ending anymore.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field


"Believing in god is like going to a gloryhole. You put your faith on someone you can’t see for the mere hope of happy ending.

Only they've desexed god so there's no chance of a happy ending anymore."

Hand relief and moving in mysterious ways

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory.

It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths.

Religion wasn't involved?

He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion.

Which of course isnt what was being said.

But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts

Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate."

We get what you are saying.

But from the amount of books ive read on the subject, numerous historians would disagree with you.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

The bible says he is and the bibles not fiction surely?

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By *itsandTonguesCouple
over a year ago

Stoke-on-Trent


"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He.

What is going on here guys?

It's all over the news

Wasting your time with this one tom. The number of people on a place like fab who will have any respect for the church and religious references will be minute. Havent even read the thread but my guess is its full of heeelarious atheists "

Got to be honest given the nature of a site like this it doesn't exactly match up with the ideals of the bible. Thou shalt not covet another man's wife etc. Nowhere in the bible does it imply its ok to sleep with your neighbours wife as long as everyone is OK with it. Now if we were talking about the viking religion....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory.

It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths.

Religion wasn't involved?

He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion.

Which of course isnt what was being said.

But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts

Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate.

We get what you are saying.

But from the amount of books ive read on the subject, numerous historians would disagree with you.

"

Can you give me any names and/or links to articles where prominent military historians state categorically that particular wars were started solely for religious reasons? I would be very interested to read their theories. Are you confusing primary combatants for causation, as in the crusades and other conflicts where opposing factions were of different religions, but were fighting for power, resources or political superiority?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?

The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese.

The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago

Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory.

It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths.

Religion wasn't involved?

He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion.

Which of course isnt what was being said.

But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts

Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate.

We get what you are saying.

But from the amount of books ive read on the subject, numerous historians would disagree with you.

Can you give me any names and/or links to articles where prominent military historians state categorically that particular wars were started solely for religious reasons? I would be very interested to read their theories. Are you confusing primary combatants for causation, as in the crusades and other conflicts where opposing factions were of different religions, but were fighting for power, resources or political superiority?

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I don't understand what you're trying to prove or disprove.

The Crusades were a series or religious wars. Which children learn in primary school.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok, ill keep it simple. Rather than quoting numerous historians and conflicts. I'll stick to one.

The Crusades.

Its believed they started after a sermon by Pope Urban in 1095.

The call was to wrest the Holy Land and Holy sites, including Jerusalem, from Muslim Control.

The first few Crusades were purely religiously motivated.

However, towards the end, in particular the 4th and 5th Crusades, its believed it was to achieve economic and political power in the East.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes I am.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Last word

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The French Wars of Religion 1562 to 1598 (2-4 million deaths), The 30 Years War 1618 to 1648 (4-8 million deaths) and The Spanish Armada are three in Euopean history that can be argued had religion as their main driving cause.

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