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By *etric5555 OP Man
over a year ago

BISHOP AUCKLAND

Doctors want 27% nurses 17% rail workers god knows teachers god knows,I'm ready for the haters but I have to live on a lot less than all of these people who keep saying some of them need the food banks,iv been taught my whole life how to budget I'm not well off but I can just manage, So as I respect all people being given a decent wage can all us badly paid people get ready to pay more taxes to give the £30,000 plus brigade the pay rise they a they deserve,let the hating begin?

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By *ig bear 65Man
over a year ago

newcastle upon tyne

Totally agree.i was brought up same way.live within your means.

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By *lephantisMan
over a year ago

Oxford

Sounds like someone needs to join a union.

If you're angry at people being paid £32,000, you'll be apoplectic at what Sunak and his wife have in the bank.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I suggest you re-train then.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Its all very knowing how to budget! Nobody expected this. Whether you are on a low wage or a high wage most people live within their means so it affects everyone. Anyone who wasn’t on a fixed rate their mortgage has probably doubled (mine has more than doubled) energy prices, petrol etc. Nobody could have budgeted for this shambles!

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By *kivi Bi MaleMan
over a year ago

North Shields

Good on you, I thought it was just just me who thought these individuals were being unreasonable. But it could be just the Union's, trying to bring down this Socialist Conservative Government.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Doctors want 27% nurses 17% rail workers god knows teachers god knows,I'm ready for the haters but I have to live on a lot less than all of these people who keep saying some of them need the food banks,iv been taught my whole life how to budget I'm not well off but I can just manage, So as I respect all people being given a decent wage can all us badly paid people get ready to pay more taxes to give the £30,000 plus brigade the pay rise they a they deserve,let the hating begin?"

If you've budgeted well all of your life, and then all of the prices go up loads.... you'll then be skint.

All, public sector pay should just be linked to inflation. If wages don't go up inline with prices of the things you need to but, then that is effectively a pay cut.

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

also...

All of the taxes that are linked to the cost of things will generate more income when the prices go up.

Cal

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By *unthum62Man
over a year ago

Benidorm

"Good on you, I thought it was just just me who thought these individuals were being unreasonable. But it could be just the Union's, trying to bring down this Socialist Conservative Government."

This.

Some sectors deserve more pay without a doubt and the recent massive cost of living increases adversely affect everyone so discontent is expected.

Affecting other peoples lives by strike action seems rather unhelpful and I do believe there is an orchestrated effort by Unions to cause a change of Government.

Allowing the apparently unjustified rise in energy prices and obscene profits appears to be the root cause, yet there is a reluctance to tackle that issue.

A search of shareholders and people with an interest in that industry may be enlightening as to why.?

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Fully agree. Strikes only benefit worker groups with the leverage to disrupt our lives. The army of workers without that ability not only get left behind in the wages feeding frenzy but must pay higher taxes to fund public sector wages and pensions.

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By *etric5555 OP Man
over a year ago

BISHOP AUCKLAND

I'm in the union I got 8% to put me on this money wow people don't read or listern

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sounds like someone needs to join a union.

If you're angry at people being paid £32,000, you'll be apoplectic at what Sunak and his wife have in the bank."

How much do union bosses have their accounts? Does it preclude them from doing their job?

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By *lephantisMan
over a year ago

Oxford

"Sounds like someone needs to join a union.

If you're angry at people being paid £32,000, you'll be apoplectic at what Sunak and his wife have in the bank.

How much do union bosses have their accounts? Does it preclude them from doing their job?

Mick Lynch gets about 85k, and donates his day's equivalent salary to the strike fund on strike days. His employers are the union members, and they clearly think he's doing a great job.

Sunak's employers are the British people, and he hasn't faced them yet. But the polls aren't good.

Also, some people need to read a book. 'Socialist Conservative'?

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I was going to just sit and enjoy (or not) people revealing their personal bias against certain groups, parties and movements and so on. However will say that people should be paid fairly for the job they do, including fair pay increases that take into account inflation. Those people that just managed before surely can't keep doing so when effectively have a massive pay cut with inflation being so high. Those of us that are managing in whatever way we do it, should respect those suffering and not try to dispute their claims at every opportunity. Yes there are people who can't afford food on the table or to heat their homes due to this energy price situation which is just one think that will have massive implications to people's lives and I am afraid health too. But perhaps grin and bear it is the new norm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree that people just don't seem to live within their means. People take out large mortgages when interest rates are low, but they don't look at the bigger picture and factor in interest rate hikes. That is being ignorant.

Yes paramedics etc deserve very decent wages but I don't think they should be using rising living costs as a reason to justify the need for higher wages. That's wrong. We are all facing the same increases.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?

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By *rivervaderMan
over a year ago

bolton

I’m a truck driver on £11 an hour not had a pay rise in years

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

This attitude is another classic example of working people defeating themselves rather than turning their attention on the real villains of the peice.

Don't buy into the hype and headlines. Read in to the actual in's and outs of what terms, conditions and pay is being fought over in context to the realities of the jobs.

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By *eeveeTV/TS
over a year ago

Doncaster

'Live within your means' - fair enough but what about when your means drop year after year as wages don't rise with inflation.

And many of these strikes aren't just about wages - they're on about conditions and safety of the public. The NHS are in a mess as there's not enough staff. How would you feel turning up at the railway station even the ticket office is closed, there's no one at the station to help say wheelchair users get to the platform and on the train and then the only member of staff on the train is the driver - what if they have a heart attack? Or injured through a brick through the windscreen. Or someone is being attacked in the rear coach while they're concentrating on driving at 125mph at night in thick fog? That's what the strikes are about.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"I suggest you re-train then. "

Would totally agree OP go back to school and re-train.

But you say you got 8% train drivers where offered 8% over 2 years so 4% each year was yours 8% for one year.

Benifit got 10% I think that has angered lots of working people who where offered 2%.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"I'm in the union I got 8% to put me on this money wow people don't read or listern"

So can you tell the forum what you do.

I'm an electrician an very much dought if I'll see a pay rise when everything is going up.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I suggest you re-train then.

Would totally agree OP go back to school and re-train.

But you say you got 8% train drivers where offered 8% over 2 years so 4% each year was yours 8% for one year.

Benifit got 10% I think that has angered lots of working people who where offered 2%."

Benefit got 10%? No they didn't, they didn't get anything

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Government shot themselves in the foot with Brexit.

All of the pay issues where not a problem when cheap European labour was available now many have left there is a huge hole in staffing in many areas.

Nursing, lorry driver's, hospitality......

Many areas are in dire need of staffing and pay rises but as most schools leaver's have been convinced that they must go to university or they all want to be influencers or game designers many unwilling to do manual labour job's.

Shortfalls in trade apprenticeships and neglect to the lowest paid jobs such as care workers.

This country is on the verge of collapse.

But carry on with not supporting the worker's we have really got what we deserve tbh with the me first me me me attitude nowadays it's to be expected that no one gives a crap about anyone else.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Its all very knowing how to budget! Nobody expected this. Whether you are on a low wage or a high wage most people live within their means so it affects everyone. Anyone who wasn’t on a fixed rate their mortgage has probably doubled (mine has more than doubled) energy prices, petrol etc. Nobody could have budgeted for this shambles!"

Exactly!

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Good on you, I thought it was just just me who thought these individuals were being unreasonable. But it could be just the Union's, trying to bring down this Socialist Conservative Government."

Oxymoron

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I suggest you re-train then.

Would totally agree OP go back to school and re-train.

But you say you got 8% train drivers where offered 8% over 2 years so 4% each year was yours 8% for one year.

Benifit got 10% I think that has angered lots of working people who where offered 2%.

Benefit got 10%? No they didn't, they didn't get anything "

To be fair I’m sure I heard that benefits went up by 10% too. I could be wrong though.

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By *allguynowMan
over a year ago

durham

A lot of these comments are EXACTLY what the government like. Hard working people divided and arguing amongst themselves while the rich become even richer. Get real people. Ten years of austerity. What did that achieve? Fook all that's what. Brexit has made us all powered. Since when did food banks become the norm? Child poverty is a disgrace. NHS is on its knees. I could go on. Hard working people need to organise and get together. Join a union and fight for better pay and conditions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Live within your means' - fair enough but what about when your means drop year after year as wages don't rise with inflation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?"

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I suggest you re-train then.

Would totally agree OP go back to school and re-train.

But you say you got 8% train drivers where offered 8% over 2 years so 4% each year was yours 8% for one year.

Benifit got 10% I think that has angered lots of working people who where offered 2%.

Benefit got 10%? No they didn't, they didn't get anything

To be fair I’m sure I heard that benefits went up by 10% too. I could be wrong though. "

UC went up 0%

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I suggest you re-train then.

Would totally agree OP go back to school and re-train.

But you say you got 8% train drivers where offered 8% over 2 years so 4% each year was yours 8% for one year.

Benifit got 10% I think that has angered lots of working people who where offered 2%.

Benefit got 10%? No they didn't, they didn't get anything

To be fair I’m sure I heard that benefits went up by 10% too. I could be wrong though.

UC went up 0%"

Ah ok. Just googled it. Apparently going up by 10.1% in April.

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By *llaandGCouple
over a year ago

London

Is this one of those Fabs threads where a complex nuanced issue gets changed into an over simplistic set of soundbites that everyone gets aerated over?

Just checking.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?"

Is a care assistant a carer? Going house to house on £14 an hour, fuel paid for and a cash lump bonus / thank you after the pandemic.

Or is it a different role, perhaps in a hospital?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sounds like someone needs to join a union.

If you're angry at people being paid £32,000, you'll be apoplectic at what Sunak and his wife have in the bank.

How much do union bosses have their accounts? Does it preclude them from doing their job?

Mick Lynch gets about 85k, and donates his day's equivalent salary to the strike fund on strike days. His employers are the union members, and they clearly think he's doing a great job.

Sunak's employers are the British people, and he hasn't faced them yet. But the polls aren't good.

Also, some people need to read a book. 'Socialist Conservative'?

As commendable as it is with regards to your example, my question was in reference to your remark about what is in their bank account. Does that matter have a bearing on their ability to do their job?

As for reading a book; some people have read books that have enlightened them differently. Perhaps some people ought to be less presumptuous.

Oh, I nearly forgot to add

, lest my remark be seen to be more supercilious than it is meant to be,

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Government shot themselves in the foot with Brexit.

All of the pay issues where not a problem when cheap European labour was available now many have left there is a huge hole in staffing in many areas.

Nursing, lorry driver's, hospitality......

Shortfalls in trade apprenticeships and neglect to the lowest paid jobs such as care workers.

This country is on the verge of collapse.

But carry on with not supporting the worker's we have really got what we deserve tbh with the me first me me me attitude nowadays it's to be expected that no one gives a crap about anyone else."

It does seem that way, doesn't it. All about me attitude and let's bash everyone else including, as I noticed, those on benefits and disability benefits which is obviously the favourite subject for some. Most people who are on benefits are not scroungers and undeserving. I wouldn't want to be in their situation no matter what they get or not. Most people struggle and those few that might work the system are of no interest to me whatsoever although obviously to some. Decide and conquer spring to mind and fanatic politics rather than compasion for human beings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The government want us to turn on the public sector so they won’t have to pay them more.

You’re playing into their hands

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Most of those professions haven’t had a pay raise in about 4-5 years! And the majority of train staff on strike earn less than 25k

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

Also is it fair to have one paye rate across the hole of the UK ( expect london) when housing is so diferant in cost to where you live. All City's are more expensive.

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By *eandmrsjones69Couple
over a year ago

Middle England

"'Live within your means' - fair enough but what about when your means drop year after year as wages don't rise with inflation.

May be they are moving to advance tickets only. 99% of the population have mobiles, so not inconceivable.

Falling passenger numbers so skeleton staff required for those requiring assistance.

Not sure how you can legislate for a thrown brick.

Fights on train are surely the exception not the norm. You can't cater and have staffing levels to cover every eventuality.

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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago

Sandwich

"Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?

Is a care assistant a carer? Going house to house on £14 an hour, fuel paid for and a cash lump bonus / thank you after the pandemic.

Or is it a different role, perhaps in a hospital? "

Where does a community carer get money like that? Advertised at £14 ph, but only for the time they are allotted for each call. Most companies don’t pay for travel time. The better ones pay half pay for travel time. They pay between 20 and 30p per mile for fuel. Cash lump bonus?! Not to my knowledge and I only left the care sector in October.

I left because it was costing me to go to work, mentally more than financially!!!

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

"Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?

Is a care assistant a carer? Going house to house on £14 an hour, fuel paid for and a cash lump bonus / thank you after the pandemic.

Or is it a different role, perhaps in a hospital?

I left because it was costing me to go to work, mentally more than financially!!!"

They only get paid for the visits they are allotted. Fuel allowance is a tiny amount. Some don't even get £14 an hour

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?

Is a care assistant a carer? Going house to house on £14 an hour, fuel paid for and a cash lump bonus / thank you after the pandemic.

Or is it a different role, perhaps in a hospital?

I left because it was costing me to go to work, mentally more than financially!!!

They only get paid for the visits they are allotted. Fuel allowance is a tiny amount. Some don't even get £14 an hour"

So why not re train and go in to Nurseing full on.

They could be doing 13 hour shifts in a very busy some times vilant AE for a bit more money.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?

Is a care assistant a carer? Going house to house on £14 an hour, fuel paid for and a cash lump bonus / thank you after the pandemic.

Or is it a different role, perhaps in a hospital?

I left because it was costing me to go to work, mentally more than financially!!!"

Exactly I'd love to know where he got those figures from?

Also lot's of carers in the community only work part time to fit between school hours, some may only do a few hours s day.

£14,ph and fuel paid plus a bonus where is that??

But in answer to your question, different from hospital care assistants although both are taken the piss out of pay wise .

And don't forget nursing home staff who really are not paid their worth.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?

Is a care assistant a carer? Going house to house on £14 an hour, fuel paid for and a cash lump bonus / thank you after the pandemic.

Or is it a different role, perhaps in a hospital?

I left because it was costing me to go to work, mentally more than financially!!!"

South Wales on Indeed. You might start on £12.50 and raise to £14 after a year. That's probably top amount so working a Weekend.

They had to give them rises to attract more people into the profession

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"I agree that people just don't seem to live within their means. People take out large mortgages when interest rates are low, but they don't look at the bigger picture and factor in interest rate hikes. That is being ignorant.

Surely that's exactly the reason to justify a need for higher wages and protect a standard of living?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The government want us to turn on the public sector so they won’t have to pay them more.

You’re playing into their hands "

The government- like the royal family- feed the media.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone who works for myself these royal mail and train strikes have cost me big time, xmas should of been one of my best times in the year but it was awful for business and it been the same for others aswell. I just hope that I don't get in a situation where ambulance and nurse strikes don't cost me something more precious than just money.

Strikes should be made illegal, if your not happy with your job then go get another as plenty out there.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

Just googled

Salary · Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £24,907 rising to £30,615 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change pay rates.

So at £27,500 assuming a 40hour week £13.22p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely that's exactly the reason to justify a need for higher wages and protect a standard of living?"

No it isn't. Every single one of us is having the price increases. By your theory every single working person in the entire country needs to strike.

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By *ayHaychMan
over a year ago

Leeds (Home) / Sheffield (Work)

When it comes to doctors, I wonder if traditionally that would have meant a very comfortable life, so young people go into it with that idea, but now it’s not really that good anymore. That seems to shock people.

Around 10 years to become a GP and around 15-16 years to be a specialise in some other fields. It’s a lot of assessment and training too.

My grandad had a very basic job and grandma was a stay at home mum. They bought 3 properties. Now you can have a SHARED income of 80k and still struggle to buy a decent house in many parts of the country. Not to mention kids then don’t have a stay at home parent (doesn’t have to be the mum) which surely affects them.

Lots of topics there. Rambling a bit now so I’ll stop

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Unlike some areas of the private sector there's been a pay cut across the board since 2010 for public sector workers except MPs funnily enough..

Police, fire, NHS and teachers etc are using food banks..

Well done those who swallow and regurgitate the division strategies of the Tory party in expecting those essential public sector workers in what is one if the richest countries on this planet to live this way..

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"As someone who works for myself these royal mail and train strikes have cost me big time, xmas should of been one of my best times in the year but it was awful for business and it been the same for others aswell. I just hope that I don't get in a situation where ambulance and nurse strikes don't cost me something more precious than just money.

Strikes should be made illegal, if your not happy with your job then go get another as plenty out there."

If Nurses and paramedics do that it could cost you something more precious than just money.

As more are leaving then want to do this work.

We need more not less but you want them to leave? ?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

Strikes should be made illegal, if your not happy with your job then go get another as plenty out there."

And I guess as self employed you did not have a back up plan. Mmm

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

If you've budgeted well all of your life, and then all of the prices go up loads.... you'll then be skint.

All, public sector pay should just be linked to inflation. If wages don't go up inline with prices of the things you need to but, then that is effectively a pay cut.

Cal"

Don’t really feel the need to add to this as the nail has well and truly been hit on the head.

I must admit that asking for 27% is excessive, despite the importance of their respective jobs. But as stated, anything less than inflation is a pay cut.

I live comfortably, but if my mortgage were to significantly increase I would be well and truly fucked because as many have stated, regardless of your income you live within your means. My means enabled me to take a mortgage that I would be able to pay off whilst still young, if my mortgage terms change (fixed rate for the next 18 months) I would either need to extend my mortgage, or sell up and downsize; unless I were to receive a significant pay increase.

Why should I have to make such significant changes to my lifestyle when I‘ve worked incredibly hard to get myself into a profession which has enabled me to be mortgage free at a (by todays standards) very young age?

Why should I have to downsize, when my house was well within my affordability at the time I bought it?

I’m not a doctor, or a rail worker. But I’m going to be on strike soon, holding out for a bare minimum of 15%. If not, I’ll have to move into the private sector which is against every belief I’ve ever held. But, if that’s the only way I can afford to eat and have a roof over my head, I’ll have to. Put that into the context of NHS doctors, nurses etc.

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By *eeveeTV/TS
over a year ago

Doncaster

Strikes should be made illegal, if your not happy with your job then go get another as plenty out there."

Have you not read what others and myself have put? It's not just about job satisfaction and pay, it's about keeping you and your family safe.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Strikes should be made illegal, if your not happy with your job then go get another as plenty out there.

If Nurses and paramedics do that it could cost you something more precious than just money.

As more are leaving then want to do this work.

We need more not less but you want them to leave? ?

It just shows you how entrenched in their me, me, me life people are without a clue of how all this affects everyone and that people should be paid fairly as well as being afforded the right working conditionsin whatever they do. If someone has spent years training for a very demanding job, should deserve a decent living just like someone who has chosen a different path. Comparing your own circumstances with that of others is not really the point. How else can some people be listened when they have exhausted all avenues? At least it humours those at the top (no party politics here) how divided we all are.

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

It’s hard to budget the square root of fuck all though

Rail workers look like a breakthrough has been made and I reckon all groups will get something between 7-9% after negotiations, and maybe a small(ish) one off settlement payment in the mean time

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By *eeveeTV/TS
over a year ago

Doncaster

"'Live within your means' - fair enough but what about when your means drop year after year as wages don't rise with inflation.

May be they are moving to advance tickets only. 99% of the population have mobiles, so not inconceivable.

Falling passenger numbers so skeleton staff required for those requiring assistance.

Not sure how you can legislate for a thrown brick.

Fights on train are surely the exception not the norm. You can't cater and have staffing levels to cover every eventuality."

Perhaps by having guards in trains? And fights/ antisocial behaviour is more common than you think. Go to the stations of the big (and not so big) cities in Friday nights and all day Saturday and see how many security / Travel Safe Officers there are. They're not on every train though.

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By *entleman of FortuneMan
over a year ago

Hull

"I’m a truck driver on £11 an hour not had a pay rise in years "

I find that hard to believe tbh, 2 years £11 an hour was good for non ADR, now £11 pH is rubbish unless that's only for first 8 hours - then time and half. Also why are you saying no one deserves a pay rise? These people have trained for years, gone to university, studied and do a job that can see them struck off if they make a mistake. Now I know it's same driving a lorry,but you can pass your test in a week and be on £40-50K within a year. More than a nurse, with far less training.

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

"Most of those professions haven’t had a pay raise in about 4-5 years! And the majority of train staff on strike earn less than 25k"

This is the point most people are missing, I have staff who year on year have had a payrise as they are on London living wage, yet myself their manager had a pay cut and on top of that a rise in NI. Recently us local authority staff got a pay rise with back pay. I now have a revolt on my hand because they want the same 4% payrise plus the 8% rise for London living wage later this year.

Public sector workers have had no pay rises in years, yet UC, pension and living wages rise inline with inflation.

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By *izzy RascallMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Public sector workers have had no pay rises in years, yet UC, pension and living wages rise inline with inflation. "

UC doesn't. See above, UC due a rise of 10% in April.

It doesn't rise everytime inflation does, I'm not sure on the other areas you mention

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By *entleman of FortuneMan
over a year ago

Hull

Surely that's exactly the reason to justify a need for higher wages and protect a standard of living?

No it isn't. Every single one of us is having the price increases. By your theory every single working person in the entire country needs to strike. "

Yes, yes we do. Lest we become America, we're on the verge. MPs get 80 odd K and many are thick as mince, bit they'll give themselves another rise and expenses of double their wages.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Totally agree.i was brought up same way.live within your means."
but many people live to their means, thats the problem, you have a lifestyle that you want to maintain and the increases reflect those differences.

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By *illingdon_ladMan
over a year ago

Bicester

Public sector workers have had no pay rises in years, yet UC, pension and living wages rise inline with inflation.

UC doesn't. See above, UC due a rise of 10% in April.

It doesn't rise everytime inflation does, I'm not sure on the other areas you mention "

Maybe it doesn't but there are rises. I agree that it should for people who need it to top up already low income, but it does bothere the undeserving getting it (by undeserving I mean the ones who don't want to work, go on regular holidays and live a relatively easy life).

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Public sector workers have had no pay rises in years, yet UC, pension and living wages rise inline with inflation.

UC doesn't. See above, UC due a rise of 10% in April.

It doesn't rise everytime inflation does, I'm not sure on the other areas you mention

I rather concentrate on those that do than tge few who don't yo be honest but then everyone is different.

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By *oubletroubleCouple
over a year ago

South West

"Sounds like someone needs to join a union.

If you're angry at people being paid £32,000, you'll be apoplectic at what Sunak and his wife have in the bank.

How much do union bosses have their accounts? Does it preclude them from doing their job?

Mick Lynch gets about 85k, and donates his day's equivalent salary to the strike fund on strike days. His employers are the union members, and they clearly think he's doing a great job.

Sunak's employers are the British people, and he hasn't faced them yet. But the polls aren't good.

Also, some people need to read a book. 'Socialist Conservative'?

85k salary but his yearly package with all the perks is worth 120k.

Lives in a 1 million pound property. Hardly a man off the people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's tough one really you can't live a champagne lifestyle on a lemonade budget but then on the flip side there should be more to life than wake up to pay bills and worry

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

As a civil servant I only got a pay rise because we argued that people doing the same jobs on different pay levels in the same department was madness … you had situations where you were paid dependent on which year you came in! People were being paid more coming in before and after me!

So the 5 year deal I got 7 years ago rectified the fact of different pay…

But other than that… if I was already on the correct wage, I would have seen a 2% real wage increase in the last 8 year… if it had kept up with inflation it would have been more like 15% more

Nurses, teachers, and most public sector workers are in the same situation

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

I never understand these well I can manage posts ,that's great you can but you don't know other people's circumstances.

If you've been managing it can just take one or two things to increase and you're struggling.

Not all nurses are on top whack.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

Plus strikes aren't all about cash ,they're about working conditions and safety especially in healthcare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get deployed all over the spot at times doing agency work, in a home that I've frequented over past 12 months, have helped the care staff their gain a substantial pay rise, although I suspect it will stay where it is in April when NMW goes up.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

Plenty of people were struggling before the cost of living crisis . Poverty for the working class isn't a new phenomenon but only now the people of this country are so keen to help the poor because everyone's poor.. you can all cry about your mortgage increases until the cows come home but I share little sympathy towards your plight because some of us have never had the opportunity to get mortgaged in the first place. It's a shock to the system for a lot of people and I do feel sympathy to the elderly who have seen their pensions wiped out ..but as for the middle aged and the late 40 50s/60 year olds it is you who have driven the country to this position . Mortgages credit cards, car finances and living beyond your means.

There was ample opportunity in the Blair years and before to level up this country . But instead you chose to standby and allow poverty to spread. Now the country is on its arse you think you should all get a bail out ?

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By *tirling DarkCouple
over a year ago

Stirling

Run your argument past the next degree educated nurse/paramedic or Doctor you meet in A&E.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I'd rather be angry about rich people using complex off shore tax arrangements to avoid paying tax than a group of people struggling getting a fair pay deal.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

My combined winter fuel increase and mortgage rise is £700 a month extra. I’m lucky it’s £700 less into savings each month but it it was 10-15 years ago I would have lost my house for sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree that nurses dr firefighters and police officers should be on more than they are they are a crucial part of our survival the people that we need to take a pay cut are the politicians that do fuck all

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

My combined winter fuel increase and mortgage rise is £700 a month extra. I’m lucky it’s £700 less into savings each month but it it was 10-15 years ago I would have lost my house for sure "

Yeah same. mines £700 too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Strikes are a necessity, Peoples views seem to be about the here and now and terms and conditions including pay.

For me its about the future how my kids will fair from the start I have given them.

My dad did not strike in the 70's, he was the support staff who kept things going during strikes, but the pay deal the rail workers got, brought our home, paid for 3 university places, and the trend continues.

Now the powers that be want to try and attack these conditions again, whilst having their losses covered by us the tax payer on strike days.

If you are on low pay join a union and the fight for a fair wage for a fair days work.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

I'm of the opinion that your contributions to the NHS should be made in regards to your own personal health... Why should a single man with no children and who has never been ill have to contribute to the payments of all ? I can't see the equality or justice in that..

But then there is people who are ridiculously Ill beyond all hope of cure being kept alive by life support machines at the cost of my tax money ? I'm sorry . No matter how selfish I sound ..that's Injust. The NHS is on its arse like many other things are on their arse because they're mismanaged and have to be politically correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Plenty of people were struggling before the cost of living crisis . Poverty for the working class isn't a new phenomenon but only now the people of this country are so keen to help the poor because everyone's poor.. you can all cry about your mortgage increases until the cows come home but I share little sympathy towards your plight because some of us have never had the opportunity to get mortgaged in the first place. It's a shock to the system for a lot of people and I do feel sympathy to the elderly who have seen their pensions wiped out ..but as for the middle aged and the late 40 50s/60 year olds it is you who have driven the country to this position . Mortgages credit cards, car finances and living beyond your means.

I am quite taken with your comment, the middle classes have indeed stepped back and watch the poor get decininated till the poor now need support from a conservative government.

But now as you and I watch the government are now turning their policies towards this group, their mortgages, utilities etc.

Many will lose their homes or get into more debt, and the higher middle class will watch and hope it doesn't happen to them.

whilst the poor say we can not help we are on our ass as well.

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By *r_North-EastMan
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"I'm of the opinion that your contributions to the NHS should be made in regards to your own personal health... Why should a single man with no children and who has never been ill have to contribute to the payments of all ? I can't see the equality or justice in that..

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"I'm in the union I got 8% to put me on this money wow people don't read or listern"

An 8% pay rise is pretty good, no? Most ambulance workers have been offered around 4% (I think), and argue this is not enough, which I tend to agree with.

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By *r_North-EastMan
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"I'm in the union I got 8% to put me on this money wow people don't read or listern

An 8% pay rise is pretty good, no? Most ambulance workers have been offered around 4% (I think), and argue this is not enough, which I tend to agree with."

Although I agree with your point 8% is still a real terms paycut.

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

Because you will benefit, as you grow older, you may need medical care, a bus/train driver, a taxi, a builder, a doctor , an accountant etc.

You will benefit from other people having children, as you are part of a society. And as those children grow into adults, they will provide services you require, do you not feel that you should contribute (through your taxes) to their education and training?

I am single, I have no children, but I live and benefit from being in a society that requires the young to replace the old.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

I've only read half of the comments and I've not seen this mentioned, but public sector working is supposed to be a vocation.

No it's not supposed to be underpaid but the reason you work in the public sector is because you believe in service. Pay is not supposed to be secondary though it's realised it is not going to top private sector pay scales. Public good is supposed at it's heart.

There is the second thought if pay and finance is a priority ... that public pensions far exceed that of private sector pensions, so although pay is usually less, you benefit in retirement. There are few employers where you can gain final salary pensions. So too sick pay, as far as I'm aware, some public sector working has added benefits like 3-6 months sick pay reducing to half pay then SSP, whereas private sector pay for the majority is only SSP.

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

"I suggest you re-train then. "

This. You do know they have to study hard to get where they are

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By *entlemanrogueMan
over a year ago

Motherwell

Costs are rising at a ridiculous rate. i know i have cut back on a lot of thjngs such as less alcohol, less smoing, almost no meals out, no take aways etc.

However if the continue they rate they have been, the majority of people will need foodbanks.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"I'm in the union I got 8% to put me on this money wow people don't read or listern

An 8% pay rise is pretty good, no? Most ambulance workers have been offered around 4% (I think), and argue this is not enough, which I tend to agree with.

Although I agree with your point 8% is still a real terms paycut. "

I agree with that too! Just making the point that the OP is suggesting strikers should just budget better, when he's had a pay rise most would be delighted with! Ambulance workers might not be on strike if they'd been offered 8%...

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Wow mate.

Your missing the point of the NHS.

It's a system that allows everyone to be treated the same regardless.

God forbid you should get a very serious illness but if you did the NHS is there for you.

Now going by your logic they could say.

Well you haven't paid anything in because you have been healthy up until now,jog on or pay up private.

Also when you get older are you saying you are never going to need healthcare??

Sorry mate but no.

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

"Just googled

Salary · Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £24,907 rising to £30,615 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change pay rates.

So at £27,500 assuming a 40hour week £13.22p

That’s a rubbish wage for a qualified nurse

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?"

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

It's the only service I can think of where you can use it as much as you like ..for no extra cost .. don't think it makes me a Tory . I don't follow any political party it's just logical that you should pay for what you use . And others shouldn't be expected to pay for you .

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Just googled

Salary · Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £24,907 rising to £30,615 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change pay rates.

So at £27,500 assuming a 40hour week £13.22p

That’s a rubbish wage for a qualified nurse "

And probably lumbered with a student loan on top of this.

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By *r_North-EastMan
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

"I'm in the union I got 8% to put me on this money wow people don't read or listern

An 8% pay rise is pretty good, no? Most ambulance workers have been offered around 4% (I think), and argue this is not enough, which I tend to agree with.

Although I agree with your point 8% is still a real terms paycut.

That’s true. My wife works in the NHS (not frontline) and she sees how hard these people are working daily. Some are working an hour after shift without pay. They deserve a pay rise in line with inflation.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

Wow mate.

Your missing the point of the NHS.

It's a system that allows everyone to be treated the same regardless.

God forbid you should get a very serious illness but if you did the NHS is there for you.

Now going by your logic they could say.

Well you haven't paid anything in because you have been healthy up until now,jog on or pay up private.

Also when you get older are you saying you are never going to need healthcare??

Sorry mate but no.

Without the contribution tax we will soon be forced to pay I would be able to save my own money and go private. If I live a healthy lifestyle and don't smoke drink or over eat or over produce then why should I pay for thoss that do ?

If an when I require the NHS services .then I should be contributing more . If not required .I should be contributing at a lower rate than those who use the NHS frequently .

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"I'm in the union I got 8% to put me on this money wow people don't read or listern

An 8% pay rise is pretty good, no? Most ambulance workers have been offered around 4% (I think), and argue this is not enough, which I tend to agree with.

Although I agree with your point 8% is still a real terms paycut.

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By *r_North-EastMan
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck?

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By *iking.beardMan
over a year ago

Redcar

You know the pay is just a small part of they there in strike but the main part the people who don't like people striking focus on . It's about term's and conditions. The face there so shit they are finding it hard to retain or recruit new people to the professions .

If you don't like stikes or unions. remember that when you booking your holidays, not working bank holidays,getting payed for been off Ill(yes I know statutory sick pay is shit but better then notthing)

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck? "

No but if you're employed then you should have your finances in order so you can pay for treatment. If you weren't being taxed for ni contributions then you'd have extra money available and if people paid for what they used then the government would also have extra funding available.. instead of fighting the cancer . They could tackle the cases of cancer then instead of just sticking a plaster over a gaping wound.

The NHS is not fit for purpose when unemployed females who have never contributed tax in society can reprdocude every nine months and it's paid for by the tax payer .. that is unsustainable .and that's just 1 of a plethora of things that's unjust about the NHS

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By *r_North-EastMan
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck?

Do you have private healthcare?

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck?

Do you have private healthcare?"

I have a private dentist. but I Haven't required or been to the NHS hospitals for anything in over 17 years.

If a medical incident did arise I'd have to go to an NHS hospital .but depending upon the ailment , I'd try to seek private health care yes . I don't have a job that provides medical care . I am financially capable of paying for most treatments id require, obviously my money wouldn't last forever .. but I'd have a lot more of it available if I'd never had to pay NI contributions.

Maybe that's just luck of not being ill . But I'm sorry in a society were healthy people are dying of malnutrition . We shouldn't be keeping the terminally ill alive at the detriment of the tax payer . Brutal it may sound .. but when society reaches a point where the terminally ill are treated better than those who pay for their treatment .. then something must be done about it ! Sensitive topic .don't mean to offend anyone

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By *iking.beardMan
over a year ago

Redcar

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck?

Do you have private healthcare?"

Dose he balls he's been gaslit but Tory paper n become a working class Tory without even knowing .

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By *r_North-EastMan
over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck?

Do you have private healthcare?

I have a private dentist. but I Haven't required or been to the NHS hospitals for anything in over 17 years.

I actually have private healthcare as a benefit at work. As far as I know they don’t treat pre-existing conditions so you wouldn’t be able to just rock up and get treated if you throw a bit of money at so more than likely you’d be treated by the NHS.

I’ve probably been to the doctors/hospital maybe twice in 20 years but I honestly wouldn’t mind paying a bit more to try and fix the NHS. You never know when your luck might be down and you could find yourself out of work with health problems.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

Don't forget ..the NHS staff who are complaining also pay their tax towards the nhs themselves ! So they may earn a pay rise in one hand ..but you watch sunak claw it back with higher ni contributions

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

The politically uneducated are so quick to throw around the word Tory like an Insult ...like Blair's government faired any better .? You use Tory like a derogatory term but labourites are no better ..

You're deluded if you think my views are Tory . They're more communistic in approach

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope. "

So do I . But if I didn't have to contribute to the NHS. I could provide my own health care and life insurance couldn't I. Or Should I have to work myself into illness or disability to provide for others healthcare ????

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By *opking99Man
over a year ago

Wales

Really? You think it’s just about pay?

Try working in the NHS and other key public services. Take your blinkers off, get earplugs out and your head from the clouds.

This is not just about pay.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"Really? You think it’s just about pay?

Try working in the NHS and other key public services. Take your blinkers off, get earplugs out and your head from the clouds.

This is not just about pay."

Why would anyone try working in the NHS ? Those who are crying about their pay could easily go and look to the private sector for an increased pay rate instead of looking to the tax payer ! The NHS isn't fit for purpose . The NHS isn't underfunded but mismanaged .they're paying agency staff many times more than what they pay contracted staff ..so why are nurses and doctors not looking at alternatives ? If the NHS was so bad and the working conditions so unbearable. Fuck off and find a new job in the same sector .it's common sense .

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By *opking99Man
over a year ago

Wales

You did read the bit about it’s not about pay…

So all NHS workers left the NHS…what will you do then…. The next time you need a doctor or an ambulance.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck?

Do you have private healthcare?

I have a private dentist. but I Haven't required or been to the NHS hospitals for anything in over 17 years.

I acquired a disability as the result of my second pregnancy. I have to use a wheelchair now and have attended myriad medical appointments at NHS hospitals over the past 6yrs. I've cost the NHS a bomb, but I also continued to work FT and paid my NI.

No private insurer would touch me with a bargepole. If I paid privately for all my medical affairs, I'd be bankrupt by now. I DO have to pay privately for my mobility equipment, by the way. £4.5k for my new wheelchair, at my own expense. If I didn't acquire the chair, I'd be unable to work and would therefore become an even bigger drain on the State.

Perhaps I should be euthanased to reduce the burden on the NHS? Presumably you'd support the NHS not treating your terminally ill relative (e.g. mother with cancer) just because it's expensive?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

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By *iking.beardMan
over a year ago

Redcar

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope.

You think the small amount of NI. if u dident have to pay you could now afford any medical needs you might need in the future just says you have no idea how much this cost! There's medicine that cost tens of thousands for a corse that some people need for rest for there life .

If you think your a Communist maybe look into how that's worked out thought the history of any Communist society and how wonderful it is .

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By *opking99Man
over a year ago

Wales

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

Well said… 100%

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

The media and government keep talking about teachers, nurses, paramedics, train drivers etc and the wage rise they are seeking, but they very seldom mention the lowest paid in those sectors. I wonder why they don't mention the lowest paid!

Not so long ago the tories scrapped the level of bankers bonuses so the best people would be attracted to work in the UK. Why is it now so different to pay to get the best and help retain staff in these sectors.

The people that keep being mentioned have gone through many years of study and continue to do so, so they are continually developing their skills for the benefit of the population. We also need to take account of the responsibility they have.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope.

If you think your a Communist maybe look into how that's worked out thought the history of any Communist society and how wonderful it is . "

You know how medical insurance works ? Well it's basically the same with the NHS ..I'm paying into a fund that I may or may not ever use ...so why shouldn't it be a personal fund tailored to my needs ? I could use the same NI contributions to pay medical insurance fees and then there's no complaint . If you choose to provide healthcare to all that's your choice but I shouldn't have to pay for it ..

And yes I'll go tell the communist Chinese that their economy is on its arse shall I ??

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

For all hardworking struggling people ..keep paying for the upkeep of the obese and the sexual health checks of the sex workers and everybody else who leeches off your hard earned income for their own benefits .

It's ludicrous .

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous . "

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope.

If you think your a Communist maybe look into how that's worked out thought the history of any Communist society and how wonderful it is .

And yes I'll go tell the communist Chinese that their economy is on its arse shall I ?? "

The Chinese economy is a mixed model. It is not run on Communist ideals, especially not their international trade and nonagricultural industries. It is run on a capitalist model in the big cities.

Source: working with Chinese international students and colleagues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Crikey some people really don't understand why the strikes are happening.

It's not JUST about money it's about working conditions and the fact that alot of staff are now treated like machine's.

Poor working conditions and health and safetyif these people don't take a stand employers and the government will just steamroller over everyone.

I mean it's not far off Victorian working conditions in some area's.

Some nurses are working 12hr shifts without a break.

But fear not hater's the government have a fantastic get around this issue.

Make all the non qualified care assistants do all the work in the hospital's on a minimum wage.

Then reduce qualified nursing staff and give those remaining a pay rise, triple their workload and tie them up with admin work.

Meanwhile as care assistants are not included in figures they continue to work for a pittance.

Hopefully this will please you guy's?

Is a care assistant a carer? Going house to house on £14 an hour, fuel paid for and a cash lump bonus / thank you after the pandemic.

Or is it a different role, perhaps in a hospital? "

I'm a support worker, which is also known as a care assistant. I work 16hours with no breaks and sleep there, then 3 hours the next day, I get nowhere near £14 p/h.

Though tbh I do agree to an extent with the strikes. Everybody is in the same boat with the cost of living, but most of us just have to deal with it, like it or not

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled "

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

It's not a difficult concept to grasp and I would summise that most people against it are the ones who would pay the most insurance premiums themselves ..but like aforementioned..you don't pay for my driving insurance ..so why should I pay for your healthcare ?

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope.

If you think your a Communist maybe look into how that's worked out thought the history of any Communist society and how wonderful it is .

And yes I'll go tell the communist Chinese that their economy is on its arse shall I ??

The Chinese economy is a mixed model. It is not run on Communist ideals, especially not their international trade and nonagricultural industries. It is run on a capitalist model in the big cities.

Source: working with Chinese international students and colleagues. "

The Chinese economy is ran by a communist government .dress it up however you like but it shows that economy can work in a capitalist environment.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous . "

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope.

If you think your a Communist maybe look into how that's worked out thought the history of any Communist society and how wonderful it is .

And yes I'll go tell the communist Chinese that their economy is on its arse shall I ??

The Chinese economy is a mixed model. It is not run on Communist ideals, especially not their international trade and nonagricultural industries. It is run on a capitalist model in the big cities.

Source: working with Chinese international students and colleagues.

The Chinese economy is ran by a communist government .dress it up however you like but it shows that economy can work in a capitalist environment. "

Quote:

"Many analysts assert that the Chinese economic model is one of the main examples of state capitalism in the 21st century.The economy consists of state-owned enterprises (SOEs) and mixed-ownership enterprises, as well as a large domestic private sector and openness to foreign businesses in a system."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China#:~:text=Many%20analysts%20assert%20that%20the,foreign%20businesses%20in%20a%20system.

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

And just looking at some of the figures for wages you guys are posting .. you need to retrain in other fields ... I know semi skilled labourers (green CSCS card holders) who earn £15+ an hour . I'm sorry but you define your worth ..by showing for what and where and when you will work.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met."

I read on Twitter last night about an American boy of 12 who died of brain cancer. His mother had tried to get their insurance company to approve medical treatments and drugs, but because he was under 18 and therefore a "co-insuree" on his parent's policy, most were either refused or deferred back to medics for more explanation. He died before the explanations could be submitted and the bureaucracy finished.

I don't want to live in that system.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems."

That's brilliant mate and I do not doubt your selflessnes and I am inspired by your compassion for others .. and if you wish to pay more tax for something so badly mismanaged and corrupt then be my guest . I don't want to

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system. "

Me neither.

I also don't want to live in a system where that boy is saved but only by bankrupting his parents and all of his extended family taking out loans.

Or having to choose inferior care because you can't afford the standard care.

Or even "I'm fit, healthy, and I don't need health insurance, sod off" people having a catastrophic incident and having to reflect on why universal coverage is a good idea through their bankruptcy or death.

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By *urious couple22Couple
over a year ago

Derby

So unfortunately the unions are Doing it to give a hard time to government right now ready for the next election...

From being in a union and speaking to people on the frontline not everybody wants to strike there's a lot of bullying tactics..

And you will get haters who are up them self's. way I've always looked at it is you are employed and when you sign your contract you no the rate so to then strike my suggestion would be to even find a new job if you can't negotiate but striking specially when it's Services like NHS I do believe it's definitely wrong specially when everybody in the country is under paid but as I said you find a new job if your not happy with pay it's literally that simple...

But hey what do I no I'm not apart of the NEW WOKE world we live in..

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system. "

And I don't want to live in a system were 80/90 year old pensioners are freezing or starving to death after paying an unjust tax all their lives.. when a society reaches the point of caring more about providing for it's Ill (who've never contributed) rather than its elderly (who have contributed their entire lives) I don't want to live in that society .

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By *asons_CarounnCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Nurses deserve far far far more than that!

Yep as predicted / requested you’re officially hated, blocked and ignored along with anyone else who thinks otherwise.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system.

... Are you blaming the health service for the energy crisis?

Jesus wept.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

Is treating the value of one life at the expense of hundreds of lives worth it ?

One person alone can cost the NHS millions ...and you think we should all bare the responsibility for that ?

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system.

... Are you blaming the health service for the energy crisis?

Jesus wept."

I said an unjust tax .never mentioned the energy crisis

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system.

How do you know all pensioners have contributed?! What a load of cobblers. Throughout the history of the welfare state, there have been people who have taken more than they put in, and people who put in more than they take out. That's how any insurance system works.

E.g. car insurance, I've paid nearly £600 a year for years but never claimed back a penny. But my neighbour involved in an accident may have claimed back £5000 yet only paid £600 annual premium.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Is treating the value of one life at the expense of hundreds of lives worth it ?

One person alone can cost the NHS millions ...and you think we should all bare the responsibility for that ? "

Yeah, we could just kill 'em. Do you know any good ways to mass remove the sick and disabled, who cost us £££ and are a drain on society? I believe there was a bloke once who came up with some really efficient methods

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope.

If you think your a Communist maybe look into how that's worked out thought the history of any Communist society and how wonderful it is .

And yes I'll go tell the communist Chinese that their economy is on its arse shall I ??

The Chinese economy is a mixed model. It is not run on Communist ideals, especially not their international trade and nonagricultural industries. It is run on a capitalist model in the big cities.

Source: working with Chinese international students and colleagues.

The Chinese economy is ran by a communist government .dress it up however you like but it shows that economy can work in a capitalist environment.

Quote:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China#:~:text=Many%20analysts%20assert%20that%20the,foreign%20businesses%20in%20a%20system."

I don't dispute this ..but it shows capitalism can work in a communist society like I said.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is treating the value of one life at the expense of hundreds of lives worth it ?

One person alone can cost the NHS millions ...and you think we should all bare the responsibility for that ?

Wouldn't it deal with the globalist elite deep state at the same time? You might be onto something.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system.

E.g. car insurance, I've paid nearly £600 a year for years but never claimed back a penny. But my neighbour involved in an accident may have claimed back £5000 yet only paid £600 annual premium. "

Well I'd guarantee the vast majority of pensioners have contributed alot more than the 12 year old boy you mentioned .now I'm sorry it's getting into territories I'm not comfortable with speaking about on here . I don't want to offend anyone .but I also don't want to pay for things which don't concern me . You didn't answer my argument you just went off on tangents . Health insurance is better than a free for all NHS and I'll argue with anyone who wants to discuss it in a DM

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system.

... Are you blaming the health service for the energy crisis?

Jesus wept.

I said an unjust tax .never mentioned the energy crisis "

People in their 80s and 90s probably remember what it was like before the NHS. I assist some in my community. They talk about their parents weeping at the prospect of being able to see a doctor without selling all of their belongings.

You were evoking the energy crisis - btw, the people I serve are saying "it's like when we were kids, we'll be fine". (Whether they will be or not is another matter, but they're stoic)

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"Is treating the value of one life at the expense of hundreds of lives worth it ?

One person alone can cost the NHS millions ...and you think we should all bare the responsibility for that ?

And in answer to this question yes I do ....don't fund their care .leave that to their families then see how many maladies and illnesses humanity has to deal with . .don't forget a lot of these ailments are hereditary . They're being perpetuated at the expense of the tax payer but I digress...if you want this debate DM me

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

In response to your reference to the freezing cold 80/90 year olds. You’re right in a way, they wouldn’t be freezing if they didn’t have to pay all that tax to NHS, they would have been dead 20 years ago.

What you’re suggesting is to allow those who can’t afford to just die, whilst huge organisations take massive profit from those who can afford it. The standard ‘make the rich; richer, and the poor; poorer’.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

People on life support are there because as a health care person you canot just switch it off.

As for what you pay in think more of I might need it one day my self

I bet you have used the NHS at some points in you life.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system.

E.g. car insurance, I've paid nearly £600 a year for years but never claimed back a penny. But my neighbour involved in an accident may have claimed back £5000 yet only paid £600 annual premium.

Have a look at the costs of health insurance in the US, including what's paid out of taxes to pay for emergency care for the poor. It's wildly inefficient.

I come from Australia, where a working relative in their 30s faces the prospect of blindness and disability putting them out of work for the rest of their life because they don't have five figures (on top of their health insurance thank you) to pay for eye insurance that would restore them to normal function. But having them draw on the state for decades is better than them paying taxes. Or maybe we should just send them, and others like them, to the outback for the dingoes to eat.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"Is treating the value of one life at the expense of hundreds of lives worth it ?

One person alone can cost the NHS millions ...and you think we should all bare the responsibility for that ?

So we’ve moved to eugenics?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

As Mrs KC says, life can change in an instant.

I try to live by there, by the grace of God, go I.

And even if I'm fortunate, a society is safer where people are not driven to desperation by basic needs that can't be met.

I don't want to live in that system.

E.g. car insurance, I've paid nearly £600 a year for years but never claimed back a penny. But my neighbour involved in an accident may have claimed back £5000 yet only paid £600 annual premium.

Have a look at the costs of health insurance in the US, including what's paid out of taxes to pay for emergency care for the poor. It's wildly inefficient.

Facts don't care about your feelings. "

* Eye surgery

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Is treating the value of one life at the expense of hundreds of lives worth it ?

One person alone can cost the NHS millions ...and you think we should all bare the responsibility for that ?

So we’ve moved to eugenics? "

Mmhm

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By *umamiaCouple
over a year ago

london

Have two close relatives who are nurses. One newly qualified, the struggle is real. Living in the southeast they are priced out of the housing market and renting unaffordable. The hours they work, rarely get chance to use the loo let alone have a lunch/tea break. I think they are justified in wanting better pay.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Is treating the value of one life at the expense of hundreds of lives worth it ?

One person alone can cost the NHS millions ...and you think we should all bare the responsibility for that ?

I'm about as inclined to DM you as I am to extract my own eyeballs with a spoon.

Good day to you.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

"Just googled

Salary · Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £24,907 rising to £30,615 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change pay rates.

So at £27,500 assuming a 40hour week £13.22p

That’s a rubbish wage for a qualified nurse

And probably lumbered with a student loan on top of this."

Yer only looked at income not the home pay after Tax, NI, Pension and student loan.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked."

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

If the NHS ceases to exist I better get a refund from all my contributions... You're all dismissing private health care like the NHS isn't going that way...you're very wrong . And in answer to your point about them all being dead years ago ..don't kid yourself most of them were alive before the NHS was even a concept and they somehow survived !

No I never took the subject to eugenics at all ...not taxing the working people for the Ill is not eugenics .far from it but I can see you can't argue without trying to get the thread closed or me banned

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"Is treating the value of one life at the expense of hundreds of lives worth it ?

One person alone can cost the NHS millions ...and you think we should all bare the responsibility for that ?

I'm about as inclined to DM you as I am to extract my own eyeballs with a spoon.

Good day to you. "

And I'm about as inclined to pay for your healthcare as you are to DM me ..but I am forced by law unfortunately .

However that doesn't make it right does it !

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

No hate here agree with u ! X

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

You think the government will refund your taxes?

Fuck me that's hilarious.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck?

Do you have private healthcare?

I have a private dentist. but I Haven't required or been to the NHS hospitals for anything in over 17 years.

No I get it about the terminally I'll as a burden and an expense.

As I do the cost of IVF when there are children how could be addoped.

But you say you live a healthy life so I guess it's I'm OK

And if a d*unk driver runs you down tonight you will fund every thing you self and have the credit to pay for it.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

You think the government will refund your taxes?

Fuck me that's hilarious."

You think people aren't going to wake up and see our health care system isn't fit for purpose ?

Wait until all the investigations about ppe contracts and corruption come out ..it will collapse like a pack of cards and you won't have your limitless free services anymore

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

That’s a very Tory thing to say for a scouser. Are you ok?

Just logical isn't it .. there should be tax bandings or brackets like their is with social housing .

Obese ? Pay a higher NHS contribution

Having kids every 9 months pay a higher NHS contribution

That’s essentially private healthcare. Pay for a policy and then pay an excess for what you use. It sounds like a good idea but bad health can hit anyone.

I could workout 6 days a week, never drink or smoke and live on chicken, rice and broccoli and get cancer tomorrow. Should I pay more for bad luck?

Do you have private healthcare?

I have a private dentist. but I Haven't required or been to the NHS hospitals for anything in over 17 years.

No I get it about the terminally I'll as a burden and an expense.

As I do the cost of IVF when there are children how could be addoped.

But you say you live a healthy life so I guess it's I'm OK

And if a d*unk driver runs you down tonight you will fund every thing you self and have the credit to pay for it."

Yes pay it all myself because if I didn't get ni contributions I would have health insurance .

Thus giving incentives to lead a healthy lifestyle

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

Misery loves company eh.

I cba reading the whole thread but it never ceases to amaze the people who's attitudes are "I've got it tough so you should too"

If you're not happy with your wages/Working conditions join a union, strike, retrain, etc. Anything but expect the rest of us to be brought down to your miserable level.

The richest people in the world have enough to give everyone millions, if you're content to earn fuck all and get get angry at decent hard working people wanting a decent wage then you're the problem, sort your mindset out. Pretty much every working person is exploited and its not right

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

Nope. I live quite well. I donate to food banks, but otherwise I’m fairly selfish with my money. But I’ll never say I’m paying too much money into the NHS. Quite frankly, once I reach a stage of my life where I need the NHS I actively intend to be euthanised. To not be a drain on the one good thing in this country.

Pre NHS, these people were young, healthy and didn’t likely have 37 conditions localised to the right arm alone. If you’ve lived until 90, you’ve likely cost the NHS/social care budget hundreds of thousands of pounds.

When I made reference to eugenics, I was making reference to the fact you stated that a lot of the illnesses treated were hereditary but these people continue to breed (not a quote, but it was equally as crass). Within, this implies that these people shouldn’t ‘breed’, and therein lies the insinuation that breeding should be planned with a view of eliminating certain illnesses through genetics and heredity.

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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago

PDI 12-26th Nov 24

Before brexit, we used to have migrant workers to do lots of low paid jobs, the people voted for brexit and somebody has to do the low paid jobs otherwise the more we pay nurses the more tax we pay and the higher prices will be and it's just a viscous cycle where nobody wins and the UK will be less competitive than ever.

We're fucked

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

You think the government will refund your taxes?

Fuck me that's hilarious.

You think people aren't going to wake up and see our health care system isn't fit for purpose ?

Wait until all the investigations about ppe contracts and corruption come out ..it will collapse like a pack of cards and you won't have your limitless free services anymore "

Once again, you’re criticising the government and not the NHS.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

"Totally agree.i was brought up same way.live within your means.but many people live to their means, thats the problem, you have a lifestyle that you want to maintain and the increases reflect those differences.

"
this

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

Fair assessment but you've literally just said yourself when you become a burden you intend to be euthanised ...so you're literally proving my point .thanks mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doctors Nurses and Public sector workers and civil servants are paid enough. They should shut up and get back to work.

NHS HAS BECOME A JOKE

BULLSHIT BUREAUCRACY IS WHAT CAUSING ALL THIS BACKLOGS

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By *imi_RougeWoman
over a year ago

Portsmouth

"I suggest you re-train then.

Would totally agree OP go back to school and re-train.

But you say you got 8% train drivers where offered 8% over 2 years so 4% each year was yours 8% for one year.

Benifit got 10% I think that has angered lots of working people who where offered 2%.

Benefit got 10%? No they didn't, they didn't get anything

To be fair I’m sure I heard that benefits went up by 10% too. I could be wrong though. "

I think they're going up from April, but they've been frozen for years... And only went went up by pennies before. I mean it's only £77 a week for over 25s right now, it was around 74 for absolutely ages... Despite everything else going up.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

You think the government will refund your taxes?

Fuck me that's hilarious.

You think people aren't going to wake up and see our health care system isn't fit for purpose ?

Wait until all the investigations about ppe contracts and corruption come out ..it will collapse like a pack of cards and you won't have your limitless free services anymore

Once again, you’re criticising the government and not the NHS. "

National health service / government health service ....erm yes I am yes it's not a private entity yet and we have ministers responsible for it . I'm not singling out individual nurses or doctors . The institute as a whole is fucked beyond repair !

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

And it's not only the top 1% who can afford health insurance ..an we'd all have alot more money available without NI contributions

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

You think the government will refund your taxes?

Fuck me that's hilarious.

You think people aren't going to wake up and see our health care system isn't fit for purpose ?

Wait until all the investigations about ppe contracts and corruption come out ..it will collapse like a pack of cards and you won't have your limitless free services anymore "

And that'll get your taxes back how exactly? It won't, no matter how big of a tantrum people throw using phrases like wake up.

Yes, this government are corrupt. That money is never coming back. The answer isn't to increase inequality, it's to have parliamentary standards, uphold them, and prosecute corruption.

Paying for healthcare will just mean less money (governments can mandate having health insurance - see Australia) in all of our pockets and some Tory donor pocketing even more tidy profits. And cases like my relative - would you rather pay for their surgery or 40+ years of benefits (40 years assuming they live until 62)? Because, unless we go down eugenics, that's the choice. They don't have the money and can't get it.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
over a year ago

Hastings

I really hope that you never become seriously ill or disabled with an attitude like that.

Honestly.

I don't think you'd cope.

I pay for private health care and its AXA pop £200/month for both of us. That dose not included AE or 999 and once you join you can't claim for the first year.

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

Fair assessment but you've literally just said yourself when you become a burden you intend to be euthanised ...so you're literally proving my point .thanks mate

But that’s my choice? Your response borderline alludes to euthanasia without consent (murder).

Don’t mean to digress here, but euthanasia should be legalised in the UK. If someone wants to be euthanised they should have that right without having to pay shitloads to go to Switzerland, then have to be repatriated.

I put £15k a year into my pension to make sure I can afford it, but quite frankly it’s something that should be available on the NHS.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

This isn’t how tax works. I pay 10s of thousands a year in and get nothing out, my healthcare is paid for by my company and I’m even taxed on it! Take a decent flight or first class train ticket - more tax. Buy anything in the uk - 20% tax. Move house - huge amount of stamp duty. Earn over 150, lose your personal allowance.

Yet all the things you pay the high tax for - transport, roads, schools, hospitals - are all now run down, rubbish & expensive compared to other countries.

The only viable option for people like me is to become non resident for tax. It’s not much better in Holland, Canada, Australia or New Zealand, they are all high tax countries too - but at least services are much better.

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By *ax19862002Man
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Nurse is a degree qualified profession. They are the lowest paid degree qualified profession. You budget for the current climate, whe that climate changes dramatically via no fault of yours. Your wages should have to reflect that. A rise in line with inflation is reasonable. Anything else is a pay cut which is shocking after the past couple of years.

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

You think the government will refund your taxes?

Fuck me that's hilarious.

You think people aren't going to wake up and see our health care system isn't fit for purpose ?

Wait until all the investigations about ppe contracts and corruption come out ..it will collapse like a pack of cards and you won't have your limitless free services anymore

And that'll get your taxes back how exactly? It won't, no matter how big of a tantrum people throw using phrases like wake up.

Yes, this government are corrupt. That money is never coming back. The answer isn't to increase inequality, it's to have parliamentary standards, uphold them, and prosecute corruption.

This.

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By *ixie BeanMan
over a year ago

Wallasey

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Can confirm that isn’t remotely true.

Considering the NHS is pretty much the only thing that makes me proud to be British, I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to ensure their staff are appropriately paid.

Yours truly,

A man with no health problems.

For which you should be blaming the government, not the institution of tax nor the NHS.

I highly doubt you’re in the top 1% (£168k p/a) but you’re talking like you are. This is where the Tory government has made stupid people to believe that you’re part of the 1%.

All you are saying is that you don’t want a non-profit organisation to give you treatment when you need it. And you will one day, and if that day is the day the NHS ceases to exist you are fucked.

By this answer I'm guessing you must donate every penny you receive to charity

Fair assessment but you've literally just said yourself when you become a burden you intend to be euthanised ...so you're literally proving my point .thanks mate

But that’s my choice? Your response borderline alludes to euthanasia without consent (murder).

I put £15k a year into my pension to make sure I can afford it, but quite frankly it’s something that should be available on the NHS. "

Euthanasia should be available yes .but I should be able to opt out of paying ni if I have a private health care policy and that goes to the guy who was mentioning tax too. I understand the concept of how tax works but it's ni contributions I'm talking about Really

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

To all single mothers who've never been employed or paid tax ..keep birthing offspring at other people's expense !

To all ex pats who fly in for surgery then fuck off abroad keep it going you're doing great !

It's ludicrous .

Are you suggesting I'm a single mother who doesn't work?! You haven't got a fucking clue. Not the foggiest.

Don't get complacent. Learning to walk or whatever again isn't much fun

Anything could happen.

Mrs KC.

Mum of 2

Wife of 13yrs

FT education manager

Disabled

You're an education manager who doesn't read ?

From a certain age each working adult should be required to pay health insurance just like you're required to pay driving insurance ..(does your insurance differ if my sight is impaired.no )

Nobody should be taxed to pay for the healthcare of others . Everybody should be taxed dependant upon their own circumstances for their own health care.

Whompaif for the years you went to school?

Going by your arguement you would need to have been employed at a very young age and be able to make decisions about your future. Once you had done done both of these things you could then have enrolled in a school where you would have been educated all while working to pay for it.

Would your private healthcare pay for an emergency ambulance to attend to you if you were involved in a serious road traffic accident.

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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago

Sandwich

Strikes should be made illegal, if your not happy with your job then go get another as plenty out there."

Strikes should be made illegal?

So we’re happy to allow those in power more power?!

What next? Children working in factories because they have smaller fingers and don’t need to be paid? Women being paid half what men are for the same work?

Shall we also throw health and safety out?!!

It sounds as though you would be happy to go back to an Edwardian style of living. The gap between the rich and the poor is already similar.

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By *inotGringoMan
over a year ago

Lancashire

To summarise:

Some people believe that they should not be paying NI contributions on the basis that they perceive those payments to not be paying for their healthcare. At present, it’s plausible that they do not need such healthcare.

Therefore, their preference would be to pay for private healthcare for themselves and potentially family. Private healthcare would cost a minimum of £100pm, so if we nuclear family it (4.3) that’s £400pm.

Say all of your NI goes into the NHS (because I can’t be arsed finding out the statistics).

To pay £400 NI a month you would need to be (there or thereabouts) a higher rate taxpayer (£50k).

I’m no expert on private healthcare, but to my knowledge it covers basic checkup’s and everything else has an excess. It would be fair to assume the excess would be about 10%.

Just for context here, basic treatment for breast cancer in America costs $50,000. The same treatment you’d get on the NHS. Yep, you might be able to dip into your pockets, but I would guess there’s not that many people who could.

Do they not deserve the treatment?

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By *ehindHerEyesCouple
over a year ago

SomewhereOnlyWeKnow

"To all "fit and healthy" people who don't need to use much healthcare - life can change in an instant. Don't get complacent. You might be next in ICU and learning how to use a wheelchair

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