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"They go out to seek like-minded people. So either they show some self awareness or are completely oblivious to what's going on in and around d their life." True true...people in general seek others who share their views, that's life. Many of us do love an echo chamber (hence FB groups, 4chan, 8chan, reddit, etc) but I guess what I'm asking is.. (and I mean this with full judgement lol): Do the baddies know they're baddies? 
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"I mean.. they must, right?? "I'm not sure self awareness and/or critical thinking are high on their list of qualities. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news" Neither do we - not trying to be rude but feel free to google it. Can easily find the definition xx  | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news" In a nutshell: men who hate women  | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news" It’s in(voluntary)cel(ibate) | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news" definition of an incel a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile towards women and men who are sexually active | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news It’s in(voluntary)cel(ibate)" Thanks Red 
You might spot some of them on Fab if you look not so closely | |||
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"I didn't know that's what it was shortened for. It really is an advert for going to The Lakes as a young teenager to build up your confidence before you start to get the urges "Is that what you did?  | |||
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OPs I’m sure they must know they are because by definition they’re not getting their leg over.
My thoughts on them are… I have no opinion as they are utterly irrelevant  | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news It’s in(voluntary)cel(ibate)" | |||
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Thinking of watching it and losing a bit more hope in humanity | |||
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"FYI there's a Channel 4 doc called The Secret World of Incels
Thinking of watching it and losing a bit more hope in humanity "Watch a serial killer documentary instead. Much more interesting  | |||
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"FYI there's a Channel 4 doc called The Secret World of Incels
Thinking of watching it and losing a bit more hope in humanity "Ughhh don’t. I’ve watched a few too many Elliot Rodger docs, complete with his YouTube videos. King of the Incels they call him. | |||
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"FYI there's a Channel 4 doc called The Secret World of Incels
Thinking of watching it and losing a bit more hope in humanity
Watch a serial killer documentary instead. Much more interesting "Lollll.. Gotta switch it up! Gotta scratch that 'worst of humankind' itch  | |||
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"FYI there's a Channel 4 doc called The Secret World of Incels
Thinking of watching it and losing a bit more hope in humanity
Ughhh don’t. I’ve watched a few too many Elliot Rodger docs, complete with his YouTube videos. King of the Incels they call him."They have a king?? | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news It’s in(voluntary)cel(ibate) Thanks Red
You might spot some of them on Fab if you look not so closely "You can sometimes spot them posting crap like "Top G" etc. | |||
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"FYI there's a Channel 4 doc called The Secret World of Incels
Thinking of watching it and losing a bit more hope in humanity
Watch a serial killer documentary instead. Much more interesting
Lollll.. Gotta switch it up! Gotta scratch that 'worst of humankind' itch "Ted Bundy. King of the serial killers | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange" That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks "I’m a persistent thread killer! Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think. These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection. Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health. Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them. It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines. | |||
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"I mean.. they must, right?? "I dont even know what one is  | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
"Some very salient points. Well said. I'm sure there must be incels who aren't self-victimizing women-haters? Never considered that angle - I might need to do some more research. Perhaps some threads deserve to suffer an untimely death | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
Some very salient points. Well said. I'm sure there must be incels who aren't self-victimizing women-haters? Never considered that angle - I might need to do some more research.
Perhaps some threads deserve to suffer an untimely death "It doesn’t excuse the murderous women hating behaviours though. | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
Some very salient points. Well said. I'm sure there must be incels who aren't self-victimizing women-haters? Never considered that angle - I might need to do some more research.
Perhaps some threads deserve to suffer an untimely death
It doesn’t excuse the murderous women hating behaviours though."True.. it's getting late N.. let's wrap this one up | |||
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"Can you just tell me what that means pls lol" An incel (an abbreviation of "involuntary celibate") is a member of an online subculture of people who define themselves as unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one. Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment and hatred, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against women and sexually active people.  | |||
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"They go out to seek like-minded people. So either they show some self awareness or are completely oblivious to what's going on in and around d their life. True true...people in general seek others who share their views, that's life. Many of us do love an echo chamber (hence FB groups, 4chan, 8chan, reddit, etc) but I guess what I'm asking is.. (and I mean this with full judgement lol): Do the baddies know they're baddies?
[Insert Mitchell and Webb Nazi sketch] "Everyone is the hero in their own story. History use to, though now social media decides if that true. I would say they do because they’re not really looking for a relationship. They’ve relinquished all responsibility of what it takes to meet and charm someone else and instead opted to put all the blame on the specific demographic they are attracted to. Thus they really seek others to share their miss placed anger, rather than a relationship which they would have to share equal responsibility for its success or failure. Incel is a horrible and misguided mental illness. This is a horrible comparison but in a way it seems equivalent to a non human hunter moaning about the pray not walking up to them and placing their neck in their mouth to munch on? | |||
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"Are all people in the trans community in the community. Are they allowed to leave and not give up being trans? " Eh? | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news" Don't you like to have some awareness of current affairs? | |||
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"I mean.. they must, right??
I'm not sure self awareness and/or critical thinking are high on their list of qualities." | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
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"Are all people in the trans community in the community. Are they allowed to leave and not give up being trans? Eh?" Yep, and I'd add, what? Plus a comedy raised eyebrow, removes hat, scratches forehead, looks around bemusedly expression. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news In a nutshell: men who hate women "thats not the definition :the definition is people who seek a sexual partner but can't get one. | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
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"Are all people in the trans community in the community. Are they allowed to leave and not give up being trans? " Aha yes! Good point!! | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
"Andrew tate isn’t hated because of his confidence he’s hated because of his blatant misogyny. I’ll label a creep a creep if he’s a creep whatever his lifestyle/wealth/attractiveness | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
Andrew tate isn’t hated because of his confidence he’s hated because of his blatant misogyny.
I’ll label a creep a creep if he’s a creep whatever his lifestyle/wealth/attractiveness "When you were here before Couldn't look you in the eye You're just like an angel Your skin makes me cry You float like a feather In a beautiful world I wish I was special You're so fuckin' special But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doin' here? I don't belong here I don't care if it hurts I wanna have control I want a perfect body I want a perfect soul I want you to notice When I'm not around You’re So fuckin' special I wish I was special But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doin' here? I don't belong here She's running out the door (run) She's running out She run, run, run, run Run Whatever makes you happy Whatever you want You're so fuckin' special I wish I was special But I'm a creep I'm a weirdo What the hell am I doin' here? I don't belong here I don't belong here | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
Andrew tate isn’t hated because of his confidence he’s hated because of his blatant misogyny.
I’ll label a creep a creep if he’s a creep whatever his lifestyle/wealth/attractiveness
When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fuckin' special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't care if it hurts
I wanna have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice
When I'm not around
You’re So fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
She's running out the door (run)
She's running out
She run, run, run, run
Run
Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
You're so fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't belong here
"Also the incel community is well known for preying on vulnerable men, there are levels of inceldom that lead them down the rabbit hole. Look up MRAs and PUAs. A great book by Laura Bates called Why Men Hate Women explains the whol Sorry situation really well | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
Andrew tate isn’t hated because of his confidence he’s hated because of his blatant misogyny.
I’ll label a creep a creep if he’s a creep whatever his lifestyle/wealth/attractiveness
When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fuckin' special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't care if it hurts
I wanna have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice
When I'm not around
You’re So fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
She's running out the door (run)
She's running out
She run, run, run, run
Run
Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
You're so fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't belong here
Also the incel community is well known for preying on vulnerable men, there are levels of inceldom that lead them down the rabbit hole. Look up MRAs and PUAs. A great book by Laura Bates called Why Men Hate Women explains the whol Sorry situation really well "Yes, it’s the vulnerable young men whom I refer. You know the ones constantly called creeps. The ones who are exploited by the likes of Tate and other internet gurus. The ones who’s mental illness declines a they slide further into the abyss. The ones who wouldn’t hurt a fly, but end up taking their own lives as they feel worthless and don’t feel like they are an active part of society. You know, creeps. | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
Andrew tate isn’t hated because of his confidence he’s hated because of his blatant misogyny.
I’ll label a creep a creep if he’s a creep whatever his lifestyle/wealth/attractiveness
When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fuckin' special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't care if it hurts
I wanna have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice
When I'm not around
You’re So fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
She's running out the door (run)
She's running out
She run, run, run, run
Run
Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
You're so fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't belong here
Also the incel community is well known for preying on vulnerable men, there are levels of inceldom that lead them down the rabbit hole. Look up MRAs and PUAs. A great book by Laura Bates called Why Men Hate Women explains the whol Sorry situation really well
Yes, it’s the vulnerable young men whom I refer. You know the ones constantly called creeps. The ones who are exploited by the likes of Tate and other internet gurus.
The ones who’s mental illness declines a they slide further into the abyss. The ones who wouldn’t hurt a fly, but end up taking their own lives as they feel worthless and don’t feel like they are an active part of society.
You know, creeps.
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
Andrew tate isn’t hated because of his confidence he’s hated because of his blatant misogyny.
I’ll label a creep a creep if he’s a creep whatever his lifestyle/wealth/attractiveness
When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fuckin' special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't care if it hurts
I wanna have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice
When I'm not around
You’re So fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
She's running out the door (run)
She's running out
She run, run, run, run
Run
Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
You're so fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't belong here
Also the incel community is well known for preying on vulnerable men, there are levels of inceldom that lead them down the rabbit hole. Look up MRAs and PUAs. A great book by Laura Bates called Why Men Hate Women explains the whol Sorry situation really well
Yes, it’s the vulnerable young men whom I refer. You know the ones constantly called creeps. The ones who are exploited by the likes of Tate and other internet gurus.
The ones who’s mental illness declines a they slide further into the abyss. The ones who wouldn’t hurt a fly, but end up taking their own lives as they feel worthless and don’t feel like they are an active part of society.
You know, creeps.
Do they behave like creeps towards women before that happens? "Who knows. They aren’t born creeps, that’s for sure. | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
Andrew tate isn’t hated because of his confidence he’s hated because of his blatant misogyny.
I’ll label a creep a creep if he’s a creep whatever his lifestyle/wealth/attractiveness
When you were here before
Couldn't look you in the eye
You're just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
I wish I was special
You're so fuckin' special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't care if it hurts
I wanna have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice
When I'm not around
You’re So fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
She's running out the door (run)
She's running out
She run, run, run, run
Run
Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
You're so fuckin' special
I wish I was special
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doin' here?
I don't belong here
I don't belong here
Also the incel community is well known for preying on vulnerable men, there are levels of inceldom that lead them down the rabbit hole. Look up MRAs and PUAs. A great book by Laura Bates called Why Men Hate Women explains the whol Sorry situation really well
Yes, it’s the vulnerable young men whom I refer. You know the ones constantly called creeps. The ones who are exploited by the likes of Tate and other internet gurus.
The ones who’s mental illness declines a they slide further into the abyss. The ones who wouldn’t hurt a fly, but end up taking their own lives as they feel worthless and don’t feel like they are an active part of society.
You know, creeps.
Do they behave like creeps towards women before that happens?
Who knows. They aren’t born creeps, that’s for sure."Exactly. The patriarchy harms us all. More needs to be done for young men and teenagers to help them avoid being sucked in to all that | |||
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"Am currently reading the Laura Bates book, and it's a tough read. So many elements to the incel movement. It's not just an 'American' problem; it's world-wide. And yes, visible on fab, too." Her work is amazing, she goes into schools to do talks on incels and radicalisation. | |||
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"I mean.. they must, right?? "Just ask them if they are fans of the work of Andrew Tate… that’s normally a tale tale!! | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. " | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. " They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? | |||
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"They go out to seek like-minded people. So either they show some self awareness or are completely oblivious to what's going on in and around d their life. True true...people in general seek others who share their views, that's life. Many of us do love an echo chamber (hence FB groups, 4chan, 8chan, reddit, etc) but I guess what I'm asking is.. (and I mean this with full judgement lol): Do the baddies know they're baddies?
[Insert Mitchell and Webb Nazi sketch] "I think the baddies dont see themselves as that and are more likely to think of themselves as victims. Its always someone elses fault from their point of view. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news" Basically a bunch of assholes who are sulking coz they can't get a woman,spoiled brats who think the world owes them something. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger??" This | |||
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"Sad thing is, if it was a group of anything other than angry young men, mostly white, people would be falling over themselves to help or defend them. Are some of them sociopaths, out to hurt others, yes undoubtedly but thats not exclusive to the incels. Most are just lost, angry and in need of some sort of guidance or help, instead they get mockery and pushed even more towards extremist views. Then people are shocked when they get sucked in by a grifter such as Andrew Tate who is telling them they can be more if they just put in the work. Which makes sense to them and then they dont question his other ridiculous views. "
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"I’d say they do, as they seek out and find the groups and forums online for their discussions." They don't necessarily. Online algorithms mean the likes of Tate find them | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This "Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.? | |||
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"Sad thing is, if it was a group of anything other than angry young men, mostly white, people would be falling over themselves to help or defend them. Are some of them sociopaths, out to hurt others, yes undoubtedly but thats not exclusive to the incels. Most are just lost, angry and in need of some sort of guidance or help, instead they get mockery and pushed even more towards extremist views. Then people are shocked when they get sucked in by a grifter such as Andrew Tate who is telling them they can be more if they just put in the work. Which makes sense to them and then they dont question his other ridiculous views.
We seem to be getting ever more intolerant and less self aware of the fact we are one society. "Very much divided and conquered it would seem. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger??" 100% | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.? "I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.? "And it is true. There have been mass murders committed in the name of inceldom. R8pe is condoned by incels. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people. "Also controlling the use of porn so kids can’t watch it. I was watching porn when my age was in single digits. I used to say it hadn’t affected me but in hindsight it did. Little kids growing up to think any woman is about to do the most extreme sex acts on you, then have no clue of how to attract a partner, never being shown what a real relationship looks like. It’s why I don’t watch so much porn now. Not because I don’t enjoy it, but because I feel it damages societies when their young ones can view it on tap. | |||
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"Sad thing is, if it was a group of anything other than angry young men, mostly white, people would be falling over themselves to help or defend them. Are some of them sociopaths, out to hurt others, yes undoubtedly but thats not exclusive to the incels. Most are just lost, angry and in need of some sort of guidance or help, instead they get mockery and pushed even more towards extremist views. Then people are shocked when they get sucked in by a grifter such as Andrew Tate who is telling them they can be more if they just put in the work. Which makes sense to them and then they dont question his other ridiculous views.
We seem to be getting ever more intolerant and less self aware of the fact we are one society.
Very much divided and conquered it would seem."It's the lack of self awareness I find most troubling and the preparedness to stand on the high ground and so willingly cast aspersions at anyone else. Sure its the easy option but the knee bone is very much connected to the thigh bone. Don't get me wrong I'm not defending anyone. But observing endless finger pointing and piss taking doesn't serve us well and sometimes a little thought and kindness might have better outcomes. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
Also controlling the use of porn so kids can’t watch it. I was watching porn when my age was in single digits. I used to say it hadn’t affected me but in hindsight it did. Little kids growing up to think any woman is about to do the most extreme sex acts on you, then have no clue of how to attract a partner, never being shown what a real relationship looks like.
It’s why I don’t watch so much porn now. Not because I don’t enjoy it, but because I feel it damages societies when their young ones can view it on tap. "A good point, but much of the communication is via the dark Web, therefore difficult to monitor. | |||
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" A good point, but much of the communication is via the dark Web, therefore difficult to monitor." That’s interesting! I’m sure my kids one day will know how to use the dark web. I have no clue at all and friends who are computer programmers tell me to stay away. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people. "All very good ideas. Realistically though. Who and how does that actually happen? Is it "somebody elses" job to do it? Trouble is everybody seems to expect somebody else to do it. But nobody actually steps up to make the changes. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people. "So silence anyone you don't agree with basically? ...Or how about parents do their jobs and educate their kids on the dangers of the internet. You know raise their kids to be decent human beings rather than relying on tiktok to babysit. Maybe then we wouldn't have a generation with zero social skills that can be sucked in to ridiculous groups because they got shot down a few times by girls. If I planned a murder spree everytime I got rejected as a youngster there would be a huge dip in population around the mid 90's | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
Also controlling the use of porn so kids can’t watch it. I was watching porn when my age was in single digits. I used to say it hadn’t affected me but in hindsight it did. Little kids growing up to think any woman is about to do the most extreme sex acts on you, then have no clue of how to attract a partner, never being shown what a real relationship looks like.
It’s why I don’t watch so much porn now. Not because I don’t enjoy it, but because I feel it damages societies when their young ones can view it on tap.
A good point, but much of the communication is via the dark Web, therefore difficult to monitor."If you google incels on a normal search engine you’ll find the forums within 4/5 clicks. The stuff posted on them is savage I had to do a lot of research for a uni assignment and it honestly made me feel sick reading some of the stuff.
I get why people want to be sympathetic to their plight and come across as wanting to help but honestly a lot of them are way past it | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
All very good ideas. Realistically though. Who and how does that actually happen? Is it "somebody elses" job to do it? Trouble is everybody seems to expect somebody else to do it. But nobody actually steps up to make the changes. "Then you have practical questions like.. Who determines what is harmful? Or radical? Where do children have their opinions and values formed? | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people. So silence anyone you don't agree with basically?
...Or how about parents do their jobs and educate their kids on the dangers of the internet. You know raise their kids to be decent human beings rather than relying on tiktok to babysit. Maybe then we wouldn't have a generation with zero social skills that can be sucked in to ridiculous groups because they got shot down a few times by girls.
If I planned a murder spree everytime I got rejected as a youngster there would be a huge dip in population around the mid 90's "No don’t silence anyone I don’t agree with, that’s a silly thing to say. Parenting has a huge part to play but unfortunately there are always going to be parents who don’t care what their kids access therefore there needs to be a wider responsibility taken for making the access harder. | |||
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"I mean.. they must, right?? "hey i had to look it uo so no they don't | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
All very good ideas. Realistically though. Who and how does that actually happen? Is it "somebody elses" job to do it? Trouble is everybody seems to expect somebody else to do it. But nobody actually steps up to make the changes.
Then you have practical questions like.. Who determines what is harmful? Or radical? Where do children have their opinions and values formed? "Good practical questions there. Childrens opinions are formed by what they’re exposed to in a nutshell. It’s partly from the displayed and discussed ethics in the home, views of their peers, what they learn at school and online. Obviously there will always be contrasting and contradictory opinions from these influences which is good because it teaches them to make their own choices and form their own opinions. The line has to be drawn when your opinions and views lead you to cause harm to others surely? | |||
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Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
Also controlling the use of porn so kids can’t watch it. I was watching porn when my age was in single digits. I used to say it hadn’t affected me but in hindsight it did. Little kids growing up to think any woman is about to do the most extreme sex acts on you, then have no clue of how to attract a partner, never being shown what a real relationship looks like.
It’s why I don’t watch so much porn now. Not because I don’t enjoy it, but because I feel it damages societies when their young ones can view it on tap. "Agreed... And yet this discussion thread is in a site of apparently open minded adults, some of whom think it's glorious to make and watch porn, to obtectify races and attributes, to seduce 18 year olds, to flash and have sex in public (and so on)... | |||
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"I mean.. they must, right?? "if im going to hate 50% of the worlds population and smash my face with a hammer i'd like to think i knew why. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
Also controlling the use of porn so kids can’t watch it. I was watching porn when my age was in single digits. I used to say it hadn’t affected me but in hindsight it did. Little kids growing up to think any woman is about to do the most extreme sex acts on you, then have no clue of how to attract a partner, never being shown what a real relationship looks like.
It’s why I don’t watch so much porn now. Not because I don’t enjoy it, but because I feel it damages societies when their young ones can view it on tap.
A good point, but much of the communication is via the dark Web, therefore difficult to monitor.
If you google incels on a normal search engine you’ll find the forums within 4/5 clicks. The stuff posted on them is savage I had to do a lot of research for a uni assignment and it honestly made me feel sick reading some of the stuff.
I get why people want to be sympathetic to their plight and come across as wanting to help but honestly a lot of them are way past it"So what do you do with people who are way past help? | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
Also controlling the use of porn so kids can’t watch it. I was watching porn when my age was in single digits. I used to say it hadn’t affected me but in hindsight it did. Little kids growing up to think any woman is about to do the most extreme sex acts on you, then have no clue of how to attract a partner, never being shown what a real relationship looks like.
It’s why I don’t watch so much porn now. Not because I don’t enjoy it, but because I feel it damages societies when their young ones can view it on tap.
A good point, but much of the communication is via the dark Web, therefore difficult to monitor.
If you google incels on a normal search engine you’ll find the forums within 4/5 clicks. The stuff posted on them is savage I had to do a lot of research for a uni assignment and it honestly made me feel sick reading some of the stuff.
I get why people want to be sympathetic to their plight and come across as wanting to help but honestly a lot of them are way past it
So what do you do with people who are way past help? "Steer well clear! And ideally stop them from poisoning others | |||
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Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
All very good ideas. Realistically though. Who and how does that actually happen? Is it "somebody elses" job to do it? Trouble is everybody seems to expect somebody else to do it. But nobody actually steps up to make the changes.
Then you have practical questions like.. Who determines what is harmful? Or radical? Where do children have their opinions and values formed?
Good practical questions there. Childrens opinions are formed by what they’re exposed to in a nutshell. It’s partly from the displayed and discussed ethics in the home, views of their peers, what they learn at school and online. Obviously there will always be contrasting and contradictory opinions from these influences which is good because it teaches them to make their own choices and form their own opinions.
The line has to be drawn when your opinions and views lead you to cause harm to others surely?"But what pratcially does "the line has to be drawn" mean? What actions are taken when people cross the line? Does it also apply to religions.?(eg many religions and traditions have very different values to our "correct" Western thinking don't they? And yet we encourage them to live among us? And we protect their views and values? | |||
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Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
All very good ideas. Realistically though. Who and how does that actually happen? Is it "somebody elses" job to do it? Trouble is everybody seems to expect somebody else to do it. But nobody actually steps up to make the changes.
Then you have practical questions like.. Who determines what is harmful? Or radical? Where do children have their opinions and values formed?
Good practical questions there. Childrens opinions are formed by what they’re exposed to in a nutshell. It’s partly from the displayed and discussed ethics in the home, views of their peers, what they learn at school and online. Obviously there will always be contrasting and contradictory opinions from these influences which is good because it teaches them to make their own choices and form their own opinions.
The line has to be drawn when your opinions and views lead you to cause harm to others surely?
But what pratcially does "the line has to be drawn" mean? What actions are taken when people cross the line? Does it also apply to religions.?(eg many religions and traditions have very different values to our "correct" Western thinking don't they? And yet we encourage them to live among us? And we protect their views and values? "We protect their views and values because in the main they’re not actually encouraging each other to r5pe or commit mass murder these days. And we go in on them like we do any group if and when they break the law | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
I can give you many steps. Take harmful shit off the internet. Provide more education about radicalisation in schools and other settings targeting young people. Educate young men that access to a woman’s body is not a god given right. Take away platforms that allow people such as Andrew tate to influence and manipulate vulnerable people.
All very good ideas. Realistically though. Who and how does that actually happen? Is it "somebody elses" job to do it? Trouble is everybody seems to expect somebody else to do it. But nobody actually steps up to make the changes.
Then you have practical questions like.. Who determines what is harmful? Or radical? Where do children have their opinions and values formed?
Good practical questions there. Childrens opinions are formed by what they’re exposed to in a nutshell. It’s partly from the displayed and discussed ethics in the home, views of their peers, what they learn at school and online. Obviously there will always be contrasting and contradictory opinions from these influences which is good because it teaches them to make their own choices and form their own opinions.
The line has to be drawn when your opinions and views lead you to cause harm to others surely?
But what pratcially does "the line has to be drawn" mean? What actions are taken when people cross the line? Does it also apply to religions.?(eg many religions and traditions have very different values to our "correct" Western thinking don't they? And yet we encourage them to live among us? And we protect their views and values? "Where does this form of censorship end? It's a slippery slope to people being persecuted for thought crimes. What if you put these methods in place then the next person in power deems something you post online to be dangerous? Maybe they deem swinging to be immoral and a danger to society | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news definition of an incel a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile towards women and men who are sexually active" So it's newspeak for lazy ugly fuckers who can't get a shag and want to blame everyone else for it. They've been around for as long as I can remember. In the old days you would see them sat in the corner of the pub slagging off anyone who they thought was doing better than them. Only difference is that now they have a label and a much wider platform than the dark corner of the tap room. | |||
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"OP, I don’t think they do know, and it’s that lack of awareness, of themselves, of others, that keeps them in that state." I think there are many reasons for being incel. Being introverted due to outside circumstances and social anxiety being amongst them. I would probably identify as an incel, but have never been misogynistic. However I suffer severe hearing loss from.a young age. Socially it can be restrictive and lead to many misunderstandings. Past treatment from others men and women has made me wary of forming relationships with others. This is not me being sorry for.myself I have got om with life and have a lot to be proud of myself. However,.there are things that don't change | |||
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"I mean.. they must, right?? "its a label, they're just people doing it the wrong way but think they're doing it the right way | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news Basically a bunch of assholes who are sulking coz they can't get a woman,spoiled brats who think the world owes them something." | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news In a nutshell: men who hate women "Sk how do you figure that then? I probably have more female friends than male. There may be a lot of factors why a man is an incel and what about women? There are many women who also are involuntary Celbate, Do they hate men? Respectfully your comment is unfair and prejudiced | |||
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Sk how do you figure that then? I probably have more female friends than male.
There may be a lot of factors why a man is an incel and what about women? There are many women who also are involuntary Celbate, Do they hate men? Respectfully your comment is unfair and prejudiced "What is your definition of an 'incel'? | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news definition of an incel a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile towards women and men who are sexually active So it's newspeak for lazy ugly fuckers who can't get a shag and want to blame everyone else for it. They've been around for as long as I can remember. In the old days you would see them sat in the corner of the pub slagging off anyone who they thought was doing better than them. Only difference is that now they have a label and a much wider platform than the dark corner of the tap room." Nice | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
And it is true. There have been mass murders committed in the name of inceldom. R8pe is condoned by incels. "There’s been mass murders committed by women. Doesn’t mean we need to take women off rrhe internet. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news In a nutshell: men who hate women "Involuntary celibate. Men who want to have sex, but can't. Incel is for those who decide it is a conspiracy to deny them their 'right' to have sex. Most are vastly overvaluing their own attractiveness, and wonder why a chubby chap living with his parents and spending all his free time watching porn isn't overwhelmed with supermodels offering the sex to him. If a woman of comparative attractiveness to his own made a move on him, he'd turn her down, and say she is fat and ugly, without irony. And this whole situation is the fault of women, for choosing attractive adult men, over whiny man-children. I'd guess most incels believe that they are not incels, because they are special, unlike all the others. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news" Simple answer, men that can't get laid and blame everyone else but themselves. | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
And it is true. There have been mass murders committed in the name of inceldom. R8pe is condoned by incels.
There’s been mass murders committed by women. Doesn’t mean we need to take women off rrhe internet."Far less tho | |||
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"What’s an incel? So it's newspeak for lazy ugly fuckers who can't get a shag and want to blame everyone else for it. " Actually, the phrase 'involuntary celibacy' was first coined by a Canadian woman, who just wanted to reach out to others like her. As with so many other things in life, it got taken over by bad people. | |||
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"So are all incels deluded women haters with dangerous ideological beliefs? Or can the term incel also be applied to those who have come to feel excluded from society but don't harbor dangerous beliefs? " no they are just people looking for sexual liasons but can't achieve them | |||
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"So are all incels deluded women haters with dangerous ideological beliefs? Or can the term incel also be applied to those who have come to feel excluded from society but don't harbor dangerous beliefs? " Depends if they’re getting sex or not | |||
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"Whoah this thread makes for some grim reading. There have always been people in society who are marginalised or are “misfits”. Human nature is to be part of a tribe/tribalism and these people feel apart from that or excluded. The internet is a wonderful thing as it provides easy access to all manner of information and the ability to connect and make communities. The internet is also a terrible thing as it provides easy access to all manner of information and the ability to connect and make communities. People who were previously isolated can now connect with other likeminded souls to share their views and encourage behaviour. So-called “losers” can find a focus for their social ills and anger at society or specific groups in society. They can also then be preyed on, manipulated and (most importantly) exploited for financial gain by the likes of Andrew Tate and all those other “self help gurus” (for a fee/subscription to their programme). The Covid pandemic combined with an increasingly online/social media existence has exacerbated the problems. It is dangerous and rather than mocking we should be tackling." Very much so. The facts are that they aren’t all woman hating murderers. The are people suffering, many ending up committing suicide. As I said before that narrative doesn’t show up in the headlines. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news In a nutshell: men who hate women
Sk how do you figure that then? I probably have more female friends than male.
There may be a lot of factors why a man is an incel and what about women? There are many women who also are involuntary Celbate, Do they hate men? Respectfully your comment is unfair and prejudiced "My apologies for any offence - before I posted this thread, my understanding and knowledge of incels was informed almost solely on the misogyny and aggressive self-victimizing that the more outspoken/reported online groups/celebs are known for. While of course there are people who are indeed involuntarily celibate, I don't believe that makes them an 'incel', as the term itself now holds a very specific connotation that obviously does not apply to everyone. Of course, with labels flying about left and right, we may just be arguing semantics here so having open discussions like this where we can learn from another and experience different viewpoints is hugely important imo. Fab is certainly not the best forum for such debates but I believe it's better than nothing (or 8chan) as there are some nuggets of truth and wisdom among these hallowed virtual halls | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news In a nutshell: men who hate women
Sk how do you figure that then? I probably have more female friends than male.
There may be a lot of factors why a man is an incel and what about women? There are many women who also are involuntary Celbate, Do they hate men? Respectfully your comment is unfair and prejudiced
What is your definition of an 'incel'?"Someone who through internal.or external.factors find it difficult to have relationships. | |||
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Sk how do you figure that then? I probably have more female friends than male.
There may be a lot of factors why a man is an incel and what about women? There are many women who also are involuntary Celbate, Do they hate men? Respectfully your comment is unfair and prejudiced
What is your definition of an 'incel'?"Someone who through internal.or external.factors find it difficult to have relationships. | |||
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"FYI there's a Channel 4 doc called The Secret World of Incels
Thinking of watching it and losing a bit more hope in humanity "Trouble with the C4 documentaries they only show one side of a lifestyle, personality and call it absolute. They have done a lot of documentaries on the swinging lifestyle that is twisted to show us in the worst possible light. | |||
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"FYI there's a Channel 4 doc called The Secret World of Incels
Thinking of watching it and losing a bit more hope in humanity
Trouble with the C4 documentaries they only show one side of a lifestyle, personality and call it absolute.
They have done a lot of documentaries on the swinging lifestyle that is twisted to show us in the worst possible light.
"Is there a way to put a positive sidev to being an incel? The swinging documentary from Liberties was a fair portrayal of swinging? | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news Don't you like to have some awareness of current affairs?" A lack of interest in the world around us seems to be worn as a badge of honour by an increasingly large number of people these days. I think it is a shame. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news Don't you like to have some awareness of current affairs? A lack of interest in the world around us seems to be worn as a badge of honour by an increasingly large number of people these days. I think it is a shame. " Some people finds it affects their mental health negatively. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news Don't you like to have some awareness of current affairs? A lack of interest in the world around us seems to be worn as a badge of honour by an increasingly large number of people these days. I think it is a shame. Some people finds it affects their mental health negatively. " It has a negative impact on my mental health and I can have long periods of not seeing or reading the news. It's how I look after myself. | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news Don't you like to have some awareness of current affairs? A lack of interest in the world around us seems to be worn as a badge of honour by an increasingly large number of people these days. I think it is a shame. Some people finds it affects their mental health negatively. It has a negative impact on my mental health and I can have long periods of not seeing or reading the news. It's how I look after myself." Absolutely the same here ^^ Nothing wrong with keeping up on world affairs but the media figured out a long time ago that disaster and strife sells so that's the majority of what they churn out. There's so much happening on the planet every day - we only hear about a fraction of it, and mostly negative. Not following the mainstream media is not equal to not having an interest in the world around us. It merely means you choose to seek your education from elsewhere. And communicating that to people is absolutely fine and isn't a badge of honor - it's just simple communication | |||
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"It does not mean that a man hates a woman...... Where have you got that definition from? "The online incel community (if you can call it that) is well known for extreme misogyny. It was a tongue in cheek, albeit simplified way of explaining what the term has come to mean (to many people; it is clearly not inclusive of people who are involuntarily celibate and who are not women-hating assholes) | |||
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" So it's newspeak for lazy ugly fuckers who can't get a shag and want to blame everyone else for it. Actually, the phrase 'involuntary celibacy' was first coined by a Canadian woman, who just wanted to reach out to others like her. As with so many other things in life, it got taken over by bad people. " Good on the Canadian woman. Obviously it was a shortening of two words only, both of which say exactly what they mean, without elaboration or having motives attached. When the question 'What’s an incel?' was first raised in this thread, I was tempted to reply "A derogatory term applied to some of the less fortunate by some of the more fortunate in order to make the latter feel even better about their more fortunate selves". Would I have been right? Should I think any differently after digesting the intervening posts? | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news In a nutshell: men who hate women "I think its a bit more than that - the mysogyny is only one aspect of it. | |||
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" So it's newspeak for lazy ugly fuckers who can't get a shag and want to blame everyone else for it. Actually, the phrase 'involuntary celibacy' was first coined by a Canadian woman, who just wanted to reach out to others like her. As with so many other things in life, it got taken over by bad people. " I think anyone who use such terms, needs to realise that they contribute to the existence of 'bad' people. Do they realise? Maybe not the label they've inherited, but I daresay they're aware of the disaffection and the way they're treated? Environments can nurture good and bad results? | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
And it is true. There have been mass murders committed in the name of inceldom. R8pe is condoned by incels.
There’s been mass murders committed by women. Doesn’t mean we need to take women off the internet."Overwhelmingly, murders are committed by men. In the USA, for example, 98% of mass murders are committed by men. Globally, nearly 90% of all homicides are committed by men. It's overwhelmingly a male problem, and a bit of misplaced whataboutery won't help. https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-study-on-homicide.html | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news Don't you like to have some awareness of current affairs? A lack of interest in the world around us seems to be worn as a badge of honour by an increasingly large number of people these days. I think it is a shame. Some people finds it affects their mental health negatively. It has a negative impact on my mental health and I can have long periods of not seeing or reading the news. It's how I look after myself. Absolutely the same here ^^ Nothing wrong with keeping up on world affairs but the media figured out a long time ago that disaster and strife sells so that's the majority of what they churn out. There's so much happening on the planet every day - we only hear about a fraction of it, and mostly negative. Not following the mainstream media is not equal to not having an interest in the world around us. It merely means you choose to seek your education from elsewhere. And communicating that to people is absolutely fine and isn't a badge of honor - it's just simple communication "Well said. I would suggest that lapping up everything which the news media or internet opinion makers throw one's way is certainly a badge of gullibility! | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
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if this was any other demographic group, there would be a huge effort and lots of funding available to help them, groups set up for support and lessons on how to talk to women respectfully and people to give them some confidence and self esteem. Then some of the online fucktards who pretty much radicalise them in the same way thats seen with various religions, wouldn't have the power and influence they do | |||
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"People are strange When you're a stranger Faces look ugly When you're alone Women seem wicked When you're unwanted Streets are uneven When you're down When you're strange Faces come out of the rain When you're strange No one remembers your name When you're strange When you're strange When you're strange That time of the night when nicole busts out the Morrison - might be time for last call folks
I’m a persistent thread killer!
Those lyrics are good for though don’t you think.
These young men didn’t start life as women hating incels. They travel a life journey of unsuccessful attempts to date and then slide further down a slippy slope of rejection.
Some Women, especially young women, can be very cruel when rejecting mens advances. They don’t realise they effect on young mens confidence and mental health.
Women seem to hate the likes of Tate, who oozes confidence and bravado, yet don’t think twice of referring to some young, more fragile men as creeps because they don’t fancy them.
It’s very sad, and the reality is that suicide happens much more than mass killings, but that never makes the incel headlines.
if this was any other demographic group, there would be a huge effort and lots of funding available to help them, groups set up for support and lessons on how to talk to women respectfully and people to give them some confidence and self esteem. Then some of the online fucktards who pretty much radicalise them in the same way thats seen with various religions, wouldn't have the power and influence they do "Easier just to take the piss and ooit fingers though isn't it? | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news Don't you like to have some awareness of current affairs? A lack of interest in the world around us seems to be worn as a badge of honour by an increasingly large number of people these days. I think it is a shame. Some people finds it affects their mental health negatively. It has a negative impact on my mental health and I can have long periods of not seeing or reading the news. It's how I look after myself. Absolutely the same here ^^ Nothing wrong with keeping up on world affairs but the media figured out a long time ago that disaster and strife sells so that's the majority of what they churn out. There's so much happening on the planet every day - we only hear about a fraction of it, and mostly negative. Not following the mainstream media is not equal to not having an interest in the world around us. It merely means you choose to seek your education from elsewhere. And communicating that to people is absolutely fine and isn't a badge of honor - it's just simple communication "You exactly make my point. You only hear about disaster and strife and nothing else if your interest in the world is a passive absorption of the most readily available "news" mainstream or otherwise. The world around you should be about more than the headline in your echo chamber of choice and doesn't inherently have anything to do with "the media" again, mainstream or otherwise. There is the world around you in the most literal sense, an interest in the people and things in your immediate vicinity or scale that up to include all of our fellow human beings, informing ourselves and understanding the world we live in and the people in it is the most human of endeavours. A conversation with the person sat next to you on the bus or reading a paper on the latest breakthrough in building a useful fusion reactor and everything inbetween all goes towards making us better people and the world a better place. It was a lack of interest in that pursuit of knowledge and understanding of the world around us that I was decrying. When I first read about the internet, many many years ago now, I was convinced it would change the world in a positive way, that bigotry and hate are born of ignorance and what better tool could there be to counter that than the world and all its knowledge at your finger tips. It hasn't really worked out like that. Incel seems to be one of many identities that could have been something very positive and supportive, but has been hijacked by a radical and unpleasant fringe, whatever the intentions of the Canadian lady who apparently coined the phrase (I've learnt something new) | |||
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"What’s an incel I do not read watch or listen to mainstream media, I don’t watch read or listen to the news In a nutshell: men who hate women
Sk how do you figure that then? I probably have more female friends than male.
There may be a lot of factors why a man is an incel and what about women? There are many women who also are involuntary Celbate, Do they hate men? Respectfully your comment is unfair and prejudiced
My apologies for any offence - before I posted this thread, my understanding and knowledge of incels was informed almost solely on the misogyny and aggressive self-victimizing that the more outspoken/reported online groups/celebs are known for.
While of course there are people who are indeed involuntarily celibate, I don't believe that makes them an 'incel', as the term itself now holds a very specific connotation that obviously does not apply to everyone.
Of course, with labels flying about left and right, we may just be arguing semantics here so having open discussions like this where we can learn from another and experience different viewpoints is hugely important imo.
Fab is certainly not the best forum for such debates but I believe it's better than nothing (or 8chan) as there are some nuggets of truth and wisdom among these hallowed virtual halls " | |||
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"Whatever they may be. Much like the other thread about shamima begum.. They are part of society. Perhaps pointing the finger at folks who aren't perfect like us would be a nice place to start. They may be part of society, but they are also a terrorist organisation that endorses m urder and that r @pe to be made legal. Still think that society shouldn't be pointing the finger?? This
Assume for a moment that is true (it's not).. Have a think for a moment about one step that could be taken to improve the situation.?
And it is true. There have been mass murders committed in the name of inceldom. R8pe is condoned by incels.
There’s been mass murders committed by women. Doesn’t mean we need to take women off rrhe internet.
Far less tho"Hmmm don’t think size of volume of any of these crimes, larger or smaller is the point. All the crimes mentioned, regardless of gender are despicable and wrong. None of the mentions crimes in these threads should be treat more or less important based on a numerical value. I don’t believe in censorship as no one person or pocket of people have the right or wisdom to determine what legal content should be allowed or not. However I do agree, the more extreme groups of Incel and Feminist groups, are, have been and will be very damaging to society and the generations that grow up during this as both based on control, dominance and abuse of power rather than on equality, mutual respect and empathy | |||
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