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Testosterone Replacement TRT part 2

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information.

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The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life.

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Symptoms;

If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy

brain fog

low sex drive

body shape change

Lesser erections (softer, less frequent)

Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age.

There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial.

There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens

I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range,

I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist,

I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density.

(Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis").

He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture.

His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS.

NOTE; This is a nhs treatment;

I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders.

I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well.

I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower.

My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too.

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So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement

• fatigue

• lethargy

• depression

• anxiety

• irritability

• low libido

• erectile dysfunction

• reduced exercise tolerance and strength

• excessive sweating and night sweats

• poor concentration or memory

My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life.

My overall well being has increased rapidly,

my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles

My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required,

often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue

Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience.

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By *iss KinkWoman
over a year ago

North West

It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private

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By *rMonkeyMan
over a year ago

Somewhere


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private "

It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private

It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible. "

With Regards to Females;

Ladies going through the "menopause" some ladies are given low doses of testosterone by their doctor (depending on how clued up the GP is, and postcode area).

Low testosterone in a female is the main cause of Osteoporosis

Osteoporosis is the "Hidden" disease which does not show until normally it is too late.

With regards to Males;

again as stated above, the problem is that most GP's are not clued up on the cause & effects of Low Testosterone

Often you must request a private consultation to get the ball rolling.

If the specialist confirms you are low in testosterone he will write a report to your GP and your GP will put you on Testosterone replacement via nhs.

often this is also post code related.

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By *mooth shaftMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I've been PMing the OP and he's given some really useful info. I'll be contacting my doc.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Big advocate of TRT here. Changed my life for the better.

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton

Been on the gel for a week now. First three days were weird. Really wired, couldn't sleep one night. Feel more normal now. Definitely have better energy levels. Gym has also been a bit better. Libido, still a bit early...

On two pumps of Testogel a day. Will be interesting to see after a month.

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested."

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?"
Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. "

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids "
What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid. "

It's still irresponsible suggesting going down some shady route

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Covent Garden

Great thread.

Bookmarked.

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton

The discussion is about TRT for low testosterone symptoms. Yes, you can get it elsewhere if that's what you want to do. Some people are quite knowledgeable but from experience it's a lot of bro-science. A GP will know some, an endocrinologist more. If you go to a private clinic then perhaps even more so.

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By *ervice2000Man
over a year ago

derby

Id like some testogel.

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton


"Id like some testogel."

Get yourself a blood test with your GP. Read up on the symptoms on the NHS website and tell your doctor that it matches you. Then see if it's needed.

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire


"Id like some testogel.

Get yourself a blood test with your GP. Read up on the symptoms on the NHS website and tell your doctor that it matches you. Then see if it's needed."

Surely you mean read up on the symptoms to check if he has any of them

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid. "

Dirty Deeds

from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required.

Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life.

Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix

once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea.

You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out

after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year.

Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient.

the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including;

impotence

infertility

low sex drive

tiredness

depressive moods

bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone)

You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills .

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies "

Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . "

why would you wish to go down the route of a private clinic? are you aware of the cost of TRT?

and what exactly are you talking about with popping pills, there are no pills to pop on TRT

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . "

I think you are confusing TRT with steroid usage.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies

Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of "

Fatty fish. Fatty fish like salmon and sardines are rich in nutrients that are important for hormonal health, such as vitamin D, zinc, and omega-3 fatty acids.

Dark, leafy greens.

Cocoa products.

Avocados.

Eggs.

Berries, cherries, and pomegranates.

Shellfish

That's just a few are many choices if a person maybe allergic to certain things

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Porridge oats

Lemon is very useful

So you don't really need to jump for the jab

Everything is already available to provide the body naturally

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By *it-chrissyTV/TS
over a year ago

sw. london

unwanted side effects ?

i wouldn't want to grow hair like a werewolf, start fights in lidl or see my nice balls shrink away...

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By *erkshireBiCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Reading

Wheres part 1?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wheres part 1?"

TRT - testosterone replacement

Use the search

There is a lot of good "correct information"

I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer.

This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards

Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's

But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis

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By *929Man
over a year ago

newcastle

Made life actually worth living again

Diagnosed aged 30 with levels 8.2 Nmol but refused any treatment. Went the self medication route but used a generous TRT dose of 250mg the difference in quality of life was amazing.

Was forced to come off earlier this year when had a heart attack which came after a severe sickness bug left me so dehydrated I couldn’t walk got took to minor injuries ward and was told was having a heart attack and rushed to an emergent hospital, of course doctors blamed the testosterone, but heart function has return to normal and tests have since shown left ventricle is completely normal no enlargement whatsoever, liver and kidney function is also 100%, endocrinology want to see heart function improved before re starting trt which it has so waiting to see endocrinologist before restarting

Being off trt feels like utter shit, emotional, tired low sex drive can’t wait to restart.

Just watch the blood of going self medicate route tell a doctor and get tested as blood can get thick due to increased red blood cells better to be safe than sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . "

You realise testosterone isn’t a supplement, it’s replacing something the body can create naturally, and lack of it can affect sleep, muscles and weight gain……

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jumping in from a different perspective (as a female) but Testogel has completely transformed my life since I was prescribed it last May.

I suffered from debilitating migraine headaches on a daily basis having had Covid in Nov 2020. Briefly, following numerous appointments with consultants, scans etc and all sorts of high dosage medication, nothing worked.

Did my own research, my fab Doc was more than happy to prescribe and headaches cleared up after 18 months within 48hrs!!

I’ve always had a high sex drive but wow it’s certainly on another level now

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Wheres part 1?

TRT - testosterone replacement

Use the search

There is a lot of good "correct information"

I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer.

This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards

Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's

But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis "

Excuse me it's not from Joe blogs

It's from a nutrition book healthy eating which I use when training so I'm eating correct to provide maximum your body produces testosterone and foods help maintain the levels so it's balanced but those who wrote up about it and published a book must be lacking knowledge

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

supplements are a substitute

Not natural whereas food is. supplements advice you that don't use it alone and only rely on it

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wheres part 1?

TRT - testosterone replacement

Use the search

There is a lot of good "correct information"

I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer.

This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards

Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's

But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis

Excuse me it's not from Joe blogs

It's from a nutrition book healthy eating which I use when training so I'm eating correct to provide maximum your body produces testosterone and foods help maintain the levels so it's balanced but those who wrote up about it and published a book must be lacking knowledge "

Bucka39 it seems you have not understood the reasons of this thread.

This thread is not for people with normal healthy testicles that work as normal and for someone looking to increase more through good diet and sleep for body building purposes.

This thread is for people with hypogonadism and for people in late 40's onwards where natural testosterone drops off.

Let's try this way to explain;

If you have a car with a broken fuel pump, you do not keep adding petrol in hope that it will fix the problem and the car will run.

You can add all the petrol (or in your case diet) and the car will still not run as the fuel pump is broken. (hypogonadism).

This thread is for people who cannot produce natural testosterone due to certain health conditions and hence TRT is required.

I hope I have said in a way that has made you understand.

Go look for some bodybuilding threads where people want to increase higher levels of natural testosterone as your comments here are of no use for anyone with these medical problems.

Or go and read the Original TRT testosterone replacement thread and hopefully this will help you understand.

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By *r SteelhammerMan
over a year ago

belfast


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids "

I can get these easy but training is a must but the if you go into say savers you can buy testo z10s these are great only part of these is there 11 quid for a pot lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids

I can get these easy but training is a must but the if you go into say savers you can buy testo z10s these are great only part of these is there 11 quid for a pot lol"

"Testo-Z10 zinc Contributes to the maintenance of normal testosterone levels in the blood."

As said above, not what this thread is about

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By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid.

Dirty Deeds

from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required.

Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life.

Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix

once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea.

You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out

after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year.

Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient.

the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including;

impotence

infertility

low sex drive

tiredness

depressive moods

bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone)

You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for."
How else would you describe testosterone that is injected? I have 4 friends currently on trt. 1 is using gel. The other 3 are taking a weekly/10 day Injection of Testosterone Enthanate. 2 of those injecting the test were refused treatment because despite their numbers being low, it wasn't low enough for their gp to do anything about it. All 4 are happier than ever, with all symptoms pretty much gone. Guess where the 2 guys refused treatment found out that they could get private bloodtests and the test that the nhs weren't providing, for a fraction of the cost that a private company like Numan charges? That's right, guy they know from the pub. Someone who I'd bet knows more about hormones than you considering he's been on them since his 20's in some shape or form. Would you like me to take some pictures of their vials and send them over for some proof?

Get off your high horse.

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By *igertigerCouple (MM)
over a year ago

nr Letterkenny


"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills .

why would you wish to go down the route of a private clinic? are you aware of the cost of TRT?

and what exactly are you talking about with popping pills, there are no pills to pop on TRT"

Some do have to take an AI if their oestrogen gets too high so there may be a pill to pop.

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By *929Man
over a year ago

newcastle


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid.

Dirty Deeds

from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required.

Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life.

Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix

once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea.

You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out

after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year.

Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient.

the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including;

impotence

infertility

low sex drive

tiredness

depressive moods

bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone)

You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for.How else would you describe testosterone that is injected? I have 4 friends currently on trt. 1 is using gel. The other 3 are taking a weekly/10 day Injection of Testosterone Enthanate. 2 of those injecting the test were refused treatment because despite their numbers being low, it wasn't low enough for their gp to do anything about it. All 4 are happier than ever, with all symptoms pretty much gone. Guess where the 2 guys refused treatment found out that they could get private bloodtests and the test that the nhs weren't providing, for a fraction of the cost that a private company like Numan charges? That's right, guy they know from the pub. Someone who I'd bet knows more about hormones than you considering he's been on them since his 20's in some shape or form. Would you like me to take some pictures of their vials and send them over for some proof?

Get off your high horse."

Aye it exactly same thing mate

only slight advantage the doctor prescribed trt has is the nebido (testosterone undecanote) is less frequent injections due to longer ester vs test cypionate or enthanate which is shorter ester and ideally should be a week or at most 2 weeks between injections, more frequent injections are better for stable hormone levels (nebido is available but not many labs carry it as it’s not very popular)

It’s also ridiculously cheap a vial of test e or c is 20 quid and will last 20 weeks at trt dose.

Like you say bodybuilders have been well ahead of science/doctors on many things (training for hypertrophy, eating to grow muscle and of course hormones )

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton

I wouldn't trust someone whose only qualification is "having done it for 20 years". There's so much bro science around.

As for me, almost a month in. Definitely better energy levels, definitely better mood. Haven't exactly exploded with serious gainz in the gym, and the sex drive is still a bit meh. Need to get my next blood test sorted really...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wouldn't trust someone whose only qualification is "having done it for 20 years". There's so much bro science around.

As for me, almost a month in. Definitely better energy levels, definitely better mood. Haven't exactly exploded with serious gainz in the gym, and the sex drive is still a bit meh. Need to get my next blood test sorted really..."

You should be getting your bloods tested every 6 weeks until they find the correct dosage for you

I suspect you will increase from 2 pumps if using the pump applicator.

Remember your fsh & lh will not have shut down yet as you are only a month in.

Over a year your FSH & LH will drop off to a very low percentage.

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton


"I wouldn't trust someone whose only qualification is "having done it for 20 years". There's so much bro science around.

As for me, almost a month in. Definitely better energy levels, definitely better mood. Haven't exactly exploded with serious gainz in the gym, and the sex drive is still a bit meh. Need to get my next blood test sorted really...

You should be getting your bloods tested every 6 weeks until they find the correct dosage for you

I suspect you will increase from 2 pumps if using the pump applicator.

Remember your fsh & lh will not have shut down yet as you are only a month in.

Over a year your FSH & LH will drop off to a very low percentage."

Thanks, yes, I'm on the pump. I'll give it a week and then chase the GP. They've been good so far.

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By *xploressCouple
over a year ago

Mid Devon

Great thread, thank you. My wife is in HRT including Testogel but in much lower doses. Its really helped her and made me curious whether I might need some.. I recognise some of the symptoms. I did get a test a while back but the levels came back as normal and stupidly I didn't make a note of what the actual level was.

So if normal range is 10-30 nmol/L.. What level would you need to be down to before they'll offer TRT?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Great thread, thank you. My wife is in HRT including Testogel but in much lower doses. Its really helped her and made me curious whether I might need some.. I recognise some of the symptoms. I did get a test a while back but the levels came back as normal and stupidly I didn't make a note of what the actual level was.

So if normal range is 10-30 nmol/L.. What level would you need to be down to before they'll offer TRT? "

I was 13 nmol/L with bloods taken at 8.30am.

To the normal NHS GP doctor- this is within the normal limits and he would send you on your way.

BUT, this is not the deciding factor.

I broke my ankle twice and it was on the second time that my surgeon requested my testosterone to be tested.

This came back at 13nmol/L which is low but kind of acceptable

BUT** MY FREE TESTOSTERONE was also tested and this came back extremely low which means my 13nmol/L was not converting to Free testosterone and building my bone mass.

This meant my bone mass was Low and I had Osteoporosis due to Low Testosterone.

This was also confirmed with a DEXA scan which measures bone density.

After 2 years on TRT my bone density increased by 12% and a further 10% within 4 years.

I no longer have Osteoporosis and my bone density is returning to normal

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Great thread, thank you. My wife is in HRT including Testogel but in much lower doses. Its really helped her and made me curious whether I might need some.. I recognise some of the symptoms. I did get a test a while back but the levels came back as normal and stupidly I didn't make a note of what the actual level was.

So if normal range is 10-30 nmol/L.. What level would you need to be down to before they'll offer TRT?

I was 13 nmol/L with bloods taken at 8.30am.

To the normal NHS GP doctor- this is within the normal limits and he would send you on your way.

BUT, this is not the deciding factor.

I broke my ankle twice and it was on the second time that my surgeon requested my testosterone to be tested.

This came back at 13nmol/L which is low but kind of acceptable

BUT** MY FREE TESTOSTERONE was also tested and this came back extremely low which means my 13nmol/L was not converting to Free testosterone and building my bone mass.

This meant my bone mass was Low and I had Osteoporosis due to Low Testosterone.

This was also confirmed with a DEXA scan which measures bone density.

After 2 years on TRT my bone density increased by 12% and a further 10% within 4 years.

I no longer have Osteoporosis and my bone density is returning to normal "

Further to the above, I receive TRT - testosterone replacement on the nhs

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton

Kicking this back up. How have people been getting on? I'm almost six months in, and it's been good so far. Doc just upped my BP medication. Checking in 4-6 weeks. Had a letter saying I'm going to be referred to endocrinology, so that's still waiting. Would have been hell if they'd decided to wait for that first.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Kicking this back up. How have people been getting on? I'm almost six months in, and it's been good so far. Doc just upped my BP medication. Checking in 4-6 weeks. Had a letter saying I'm going to be referred to endocrinology, so that's still waiting. Would have been hell if they'd decided to wait for that first."

I am basically back to living a normal life, back to full health and continue to receive an injection every 8 weeks, I no longer have concerns and my body has fully adjusted to TRT.

I now get my bloods tested only once a year and levels are fairly steady.

Bone mass still gets checked every 2 years, I now have a very slim waist as that is an advantage of Testosterone, it removes tummy body fat.

All is good, health is good and sex life is good.

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By *mooth shaftMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

After following this forum had my testosterone level checked and it came in at 12

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton


"After following this forum had my testosterone level checked and it came in at 12"

Might be too high for the NHS to do something about. Hopefully you'll get an understanding GP. Good luck.

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By *mooth shaftMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

My GP says no action required

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton


"My GP says no action required"

How do you feel about that?

There's always private, although my view on them is that they'll obviously try and sell you the entire farm. Find a good and reputable clinic and see what they say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I requested going to the Ed clinic the consultant suggested I should go on tester gel and wrote the letter to my doctor of which he put me on it. However my testosterone level is about nine. Elvis concerned about the side effects especially at my age and the fact that I used to suffer from sleep apnea and asthma. I decided not to continue with it as it's not proven to be helpful to people of advancing years

I actually don't have any trouble with their actions or with sperm production and can come quite a lot. I do take vitamin d riboflavin and cq10 every day

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By *929Man
over a year ago

newcastle


"My GP says no action required"

Can’t you ask to be referred to endocrinology and see what they say? Trt is still pretty much in the dark ages here I’d push for it if you are feeling shit.

Because it usually declines gradually Only once getting on trt and having healthy levels do you realise how truly bad you felt before

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"After following this forum had my testosterone level checked and it came in at 12

Might be too high for the NHS to do something about. Hopefully you'll get an understanding GP. Good luck."

The problem is;

The NHS does not test FREE Testosterone

12 is low but they have absolutely no idea of how much free testosterone is feeding your bone growth.

In my case virtually zero which had caused onset Osteoporosis and broken bone.

Luckily I suggested to the surgeon that my natural testosterone was low and it was the surgeon who investigated this further.

The outcome was low natural testosterone and extremely low free testosterone

I then requested my doctor refer me private at Murrayfield hospital Edinburgh.

Further investigation and reports sent both to myself and my NHS practice GP

My gp followed advice and I am now on TRT for life under NHS.

I refer myself private once a year for blood tests which are not covered under NHS and are essential whilst on this treatment.

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By *N4funCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information.

.

The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life.

.

Symptoms;

If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy

brain fog

low sex drive

body shape change

Lesser erections (softer, less frequent)

Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age.

There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial.

There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens

I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range,

I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist,

I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density.

(Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis").

He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture.

His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS.

NOTE; This is a nhs treatment;

I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders.

I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well.

I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower.

My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too.

.

So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement

• fatigue

• lethargy

• depression

• anxiety

• irritability

• low libido

• erectile dysfunction

• reduced exercise tolerance and strength

• excessive sweating and night sweats

• poor concentration or memory

My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life.

My overall well being has increased rapidly,

my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles

My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required,

often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue

Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience."

Ray thanks for bring this back up. Most of what you have in the above is what I have been suffering with for that last 2 yrs and has worsened over the last 6 months and included migraines on a regular basis. The GP has done some blood tests and found my B12 is at the bottom of the range so I've been shock dosed and have to go back in 3 months. When I go back I'll be asking about getting my testosterone tested if the symptoms are still there.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sometimes you need a private consultation for to get your testosterone tested

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By *xploressCouple
over a year ago

Mid Devon

Hi Ray, I got hold of my test results from last year and interestingly they did test for all 3 values, not just T levels.. All bang in the middle apparently.

Had me pondering.. What if as a youngster you had high testosterone, and the levels have tailed off since and are now average. Presumably you would notice that and it might feel like you were missing something, but actually your levels are still OK. Just not as OK as they used to be!

Anyway, this was all done by the NHS, didn't have to fight for it.. And they did the whole shebang.

In case it helps anyone else to get a sense of what average looks like, here are my values (and the normal ranges in brackets) :

SHGB: 35.6 (20.6 - 76.7)

Serum Testosterone: 15.5 nmol/L (6.7 - 25.7)

Free Androgen: 43% (24.3 - 72)

Great thread by the way

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By *umbrianexplorersCouple
over a year ago

tyldesley

I am going down the route of TRT at the moment with a private company called Optimale.

So far they seem like a professional company. They tell me my T levels are low but I'm sure so would most companies when they want your money?

I have done a finger pick and my levels came back at 9. After that I have done a full blood test which tested for all sorts of things.

That came back at 11.5 which I have been told is still low.

One thing they are hot on is your PSA level. I was really really worried about this test as my dad passed from prostate cancer last year and there is also a history of it on my mums side.

My PSA levels came back really low but they still require a physical examination. Reasons are my age and family history. If that comes back OK I have been told that the process is pretty quick.

The reasons for me wanting to get my T levels tested in the first place was not so much sexual. Yes my election is not as good as it use to be and I do struggle to keep an hard-on in condoms these days (without the blue pill).

My main reason was the total lack of drive, motivation a complete lack of self-esteem confidence most of the time.

So fingers crossed my prostate exam goes well and I can start treatment soon.

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By *hawn ScottMan
over a year ago

london Brixton

If your doctor won't supply it then just buy it yourself?

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By *ab FunstersCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

On line pharmacist..do a blood test and answer some questions. If they are happy then they will prescribe some for you. Approx £18.00 per month from Super d's.

3 days after starting it brain fog cleared and energy levels are increasing.(mrs FF).For the first time in years i actually felt good, happy..best thing i have done for ages. Over a year trying to get my GP surgery to listen to me..got fed up of waiting.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"On line pharmacist..do a blood test and answer some questions. If they are happy then they will prescribe some for you. Approx £18.00 per month from Super d's.

3 days after starting it brain fog cleared and energy levels are increasing.(mrs FF).For the first time in years i actually felt good, happy..best thing i have done for ages. Over a year trying to get my GP surgery to listen to me..got fed up of waiting. "

Welcome to the good stuff

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By *umansextoysCouple
over a year ago

waterford

Interesting thread,, theres a great clinic called the mens health clinic,,, theres videos on you tube and very honest information about trt hrt ,,, from what I take from it is that trt is only another piece in the puzzle,, no 1 is sleep ,2 is nutrition, 3 exercise 4 trt ,, but you have to be doing 1,2,3 honestly to get benfits , and trt is life long commitment

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By *oecutterMan
over a year ago

Clonakilty

I’m on TRT. Cypionate and HCG twice a week.

Life changing.

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By *ervice2000Man
over a year ago

derby


"I’m on TRT. Cypionate and HCG twice a week.

Life changing. "

How do we get into it?? Lots of women get hrt but no support/recognition for male hormones! (Or am i being anti woke?) Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So i started doing strongman about 11 months ago and was advised by my coach that i should have a health check and blood tests doing just to check all my levels, after 4 different trips 3 and abit months to the doctors for different blood test i was informed i do indeed have low test levels and was refered to an endocrologist already now missed 1 appointment due to their errorr in sending my appointment letter to the wrong address for june time i was then told i couldnt get another appointment till november as i had missed the appointment i was given lol needless to say i have given up waiting and went with a private company and had all my blood tests done on the spot and results with a couple of days and i am on test injections now

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By *oecutterMan
over a year ago

Clonakilty


"I’m on TRT. Cypionate and HCG twice a week.

Life changing.

How do we get into it?? Lots of women get hrt but no support/recognition for male hormones! (Or am i being anti woke?) Lol"

No, your observation is correct.

By far the easiest way as far as I’m aware is to go to a private clinic.

I’m told Optimale is good for those the UK.

I’m in Ireland so I go to one up in Dublin.

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton

On the gel since December. Had blood pressure issues before and it's pushed them quite a bit higher. On Ramipril now to try and get it down.

Did eventually get to see an endocrinologist in July and if my GP hadn't already put me on it I doubt she would have. Basically decided on the spot it was all in my head.

If I had the money I'd go private for the injections but for now the gel will have to do.

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By *ew plcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Hi all.

What blood test I need to do to qualify for potential trt?

From what I was trying to find out from Google I need more then just testosteron. LH, FHS, ESTRADIOL, PROLACTIN, PROGESTERONE they all play part in low libido and ED.

My GP thinks it's just testosterone I need to check.

Is there any good resources I can like to my doctor?

Thanks

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By *ervice2000Man
over a year ago

derby


"On the gel since December. Had blood pressure issues before and it's pushed them quite a bit higher. On Ramipril now to try and get it down.

Did eventually get to see an endocrinologist in July and if my GP hadn't already put me on it I doubt she would have. Basically decided on the spot it was all in my head.

If I had the money I'd go private for the injections but for now the gel will have to do. "

What the gel caused high bp?

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By *ot - CoupleCouple
34 weeks ago

Glasgow

That's a very interesting read, thanks OP.

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By *rHotNottsMan
34 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

"

The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either

Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be.

I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13.

If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
33 weeks ago

Newcastle


"Hi all.

What blood test I need to do to qualify for potential trt?

From what I was trying to find out from Google I need more then just testosteron. LH, FHS, ESTRADIOL, PROLACTIN, PROGESTERONE they all play part in low libido and ED.

My GP thinks it's just testosterone I need to check.

Is there any good resources I can like to my doctor?

Thanks"

Private clinics follow guidelines set by BSSM (British Society of Sexual Medicine) but may also have their own extra requirements that will differ from clinic to clinic. You’ll usually need two low testosterone results from two separate blood tests. At least one of the tests will also usually need to have checked other markers, including a full blood count, lipids, LH, FSH, PSA.

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By *929Man
33 weeks ago

newcastle


"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either

Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be.

I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13.

If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T

"

They disregard any test taken later in the day You have test low early in morning when hormones are at peak to qualify

Testosterone takes time to build to a peak If the doctor gave you 2 shots in 5 years you won’t feel anything especially not if your testing 29 in morning that’s a very healthy level that doctor while I admire his willingness to give out testosterone freely should be struck off haha

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By *rHotNottsMan
33 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either

Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be.

I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13.

If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T

They disregard any test taken later in the day You have test low early in morning when hormones are at peak to qualify

Testosterone takes time to build to a peak If the doctor gave you 2 shots in 5 years you won’t feel anything especially not if your testing 29 in morning that’s a very healthy level that doctor while I admire his willingness to give out testosterone freely should be struck off haha "

It’s not - they chose to treat the observable symptoms rather than medicate below a generic number with no idea what your ‘normal ‘ was prior to testing. If you were reading 40 -50 in younger years and 20-30 is very low.

The UK way is based on budgets not symptoms

A lot of doctors and professionals of the UKNHS way of doing it to a generic number for all people indeed very flawed

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By *rHotNottsMan
33 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

You get this a lot with access to medicine where budgets limit the amount of people that can get it.

Treating symptoms is a methodology that private doctors follow. Everyone’s body is different , Hormone levels vary significantly between people , low for one person might be high for another it all depends what your range was before you had symptoms which is usually impossible to know

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By *eard and TattsCouple
33 weeks ago

Cwmbran


"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies

Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of "

Semen retention

Plenty of fat instead of shitty sugar

Get sleep

Exercise

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By *ornyandlisaCouple
33 weeks ago

Warrington

Has anyone had to do an MRI scan ? An if so what is the reason for it ??

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
32 weeks ago

Newcastle


"Has anyone had to do an MRI scan ? An if so what is the reason for it ?? "

Doctors will sometimes request an MRI in order to check the pituitary gland. If the pituitary gland is not functioning properly, it can cause symptoms such as fatigue, sexual dysfunction and changes in body composition, appearance or weight. It is more common for doctors to request an MRI when testosterone levels are ‘very low’ on multiple tests (below 5.4nmol/l).

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By *ot - CoupleCouple
32 weeks ago

Glasgow

A lot of interesting reading on here. I had my testosterone level checked as well as a few other things and it all came back normal. My testosterone level was 20.3 The doctor has given me Viagra I can't remember the proper drug name. I was having problems with a solid erection and it wasn't staying up for long. I took a Viagra that the doctor prescribed, wow, I felt like a teenage boy again. I forgot to ask what is the normal level for testosterone for a 54 year old male. Does anyone know a chart I can look up.

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
32 weeks ago

Newcastle


"A lot of interesting reading on here. I had my testosterone level checked as well as a few other things and it all came back normal. My testosterone level was 20.3 The doctor has given me Viagra I can't remember the proper drug name. I was having problems with a solid erection and it wasn't staying up for long. I took a Viagra that the doctor prescribed, wow, I felt like a teenage boy again. I forgot to ask what is the normal level for testosterone for a 54 year old male. Does anyone know a chart I can look up. "

There are various charts for normal/average levels online and the values will differ depending on the source.

One I found on a website for a private TRT clinic says that the *average* testosterone levels for a man aged 45-54 years old are:

- Total testosterone: 21.02nmol/L

- Free testosterone: 0.314nmol/L

For age group 55-64 years old the average decreases as follows:

- Total testosterone: 19.49nmol/L

- Free testosterone: 0.2888nmol/L

The NHS will usually only consider levels low enough to be eligible for treatment when below 6-7nmol/L

Testosterone levels do usually decrease with age but these are typically considered a *normal* range for most age groups:

- Total testosterone: 12nmol/L - 26nmol/L

- Free testosterone: 0.225nmol/L - 0.65nmol/L

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By (user no longer on site)
32 weeks ago

It takes 4 weeks or more for a effect

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By (user no longer on site)
32 weeks ago

True about knowing about it but testosterone is not a steroid body builder use it as a abase and then take anabolic steroids you always run your test higher than your anabolic

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By (user no longer on site)
32 weeks ago

Medichecks is ideal to get all your levels shows you everything about you well worth it .

Doctors have no clue really on all this

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By (user no longer on site)
31 weeks ago


"I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information.

.

The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life.

.

Symptoms;

If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy

brain fog

low sex drive

body shape change

Lesser erections (softer, less frequent)

Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age.

There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial.

There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens

I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range,

I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist,

I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density.

(Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis").

He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture.

His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS.

NOTE; This is a nhs treatment;

I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders.

I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well.

I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower.

My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too.

.

So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement

• fatigue

• lethargy

• depression

• anxiety

• irritability

• low libido

• erectile dysfunction

• reduced exercise tolerance and strength

• excessive sweating and night sweats

• poor concentration or memory

My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life.

My overall well being has increased rapidly,

my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles

My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required,

often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue

Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience."

Not at 45 I'm assuming you have at that age low testosterone level can hit men at age 29 it's all down to gene's as of my experience I have been on trt since then but it's very strong I get hypo like redbull on wings so need to calm da fck down by using less so I do supply shhhh

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By (user no longer on site)
31 weeks ago


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private

It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible. "

Are you interested in getting testosterone gel 16.2 mg

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By *lirty_dirtyCouple
31 weeks ago

Lingfield

I started TRT over a year ago. It was life changing.

I now source Sustanon independently and use another provider for blood tests. I need an aromatase inhibitor to keep my estrogen down and ensure my blood stays thin enough as I can get a high hematocrit level without that.

I train for strength and cardio throughout the week and feel brand new compared to the old me. I've also been dry from alcohol for over 5 months x

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By *rooperRedMan
30 weeks ago

Littlehampton

Honestly I'm not sure if it's worked that great for me. Doing it on the NHS means I have an endocrinologist who doesn't give a flying monkeys about it. My last blood test in March showed my testosterone at almost 35 which is stupid high and my PSA has gone from 0.8 in September to 1.6, so double in six months. All really worrying. And I'm the one who has to chase them about it. My blood pressure is constantly about 145/100 even with max doses of Ramipril and Amlopidin. Have a phone consultation with a "clinician" next week about the PSA but they'll just fob me off again. So right now if the stroke doesn't get me at 55 I'll have a prostate the size of a grapefruit soon enough.

They just don't have the capacity to care.

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By *rooperRedMan
30 weeks ago

Littlehampton

But then I can't get laid to save my life anyway so what difference does it all make? Some days I think that stroke won't be such a bad thing anyway.

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By *eroLondonMan
3 weeks ago

Covent Garden

This is important.

Gentlemen — look after yourselves. 🩶

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By *ohnysteMan
3 weeks ago

newcastle under lyme

V similar story to myself works great

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By *az 1976Man
3 weeks ago

DARTFORD

I'm on testosterone replacement injection form every three months As I had Testicular cancer About fifteen years ago But getting all the signs that are in the first comment Brain fog No energy And all the rest But the hospital says I'm on the right dose From the blood tests😬🤬

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By *tealthbomber2024Man
3 weeks ago

southend-on-sea

Its a full metabolic disaster to be below 12.5nmols, also depending on your free testosterone fraction.

Private trt is what, £200 a month?

well, that ain't happening.

Check for metabolic syndrome also, high waist hip ratio, high ldl cholesterol, high ldl, hdl ratio, high triglycerides. Glucose will probably be a bit whack.

There's more and plenty of guides out there, but firstly try to lose weight sensibly and exercise is certainly the most important part to counteract inflammatory compounds.

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By *929Man
3 weeks ago

newcastle


"Its a full metabolic disaster to be below 12.5nmols, also depending on your free testosterone fraction.

Private trt is what, £200 a month?

well, that ain't happening.

Check for metabolic syndrome also, high waist hip ratio, high ldl cholesterol, high ldl, hdl ratio, high triglycerides. Glucose will probably be a bit whack.

There's more and plenty of guides out there, but firstly try to lose weight sensibly and exercise is certainly the most important part to counteract inflammatory compounds.

"

Is that what they are charging? Self administered would cost about 2-4 quid a month

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By *H-XXIIIMan
3 weeks ago

Gander

Great info here.

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
3 weeks ago

Newcastle

Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

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By *tticusukMan
3 weeks ago

Formby

TRT is one of the biggest scams around at the moment.

There is no real regulation on its use in private healthcare.

Taking exogenous testosterone prevents the production of endogenous testosterone. You end up with a negative feedback loop. It’s why bodybuilders end up with shrunken testes.

Most people don’t need TRT, the need a better diet and exercise.

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By *929Man
3 weeks ago

newcastle


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options. "

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

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By *tealthbomber2024Man
3 weeks ago

southend-on-sea


"TRT is one of the biggest scams around at the moment.

There is no real regulation on its use in private healthcare.

Taking exogenous testosterone prevents the production of endogenous testosterone. You end up with a negative feedback loop. It’s why bodybuilders end up with shrunken testes.

Most people don’t need TRT, the need a better diet and exercise. "

Agreed, but sometimes a carefully titrated blood testing regime linked with your mood may be good. Yes to the exogenous vs endogenous issue. It's still more complicated than that due to genetics, shbg and the other things.

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By *tealthbomber2024Man
3 weeks ago

southend-on-sea

and I wasn't trying to tell the 2 muscley men that I knew as much or more as them.

:p

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
3 weeks ago

Newcastle

Private TRT clinics follow guidelines set by BSSM. Medications such as HCG can be used alongside TRT to help maintain testicular function and prevent the testicles from shrinking. Good diet, regular exercise, a healthy BMI and reduced alcohol intake can help to maintain/increase testosterone levels but for some men, they may already do that and still need support with medication.

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By *tticusukMan
3 weeks ago

Formby


"Private TRT clinics follow guidelines set by BSSM. Medications such as HCG can be used alongside TRT to help maintain testicular function and prevent the testicles from shrinking. Good diet, regular exercise, a healthy BMI and reduced alcohol intake can help to maintain/increase testosterone levels but for some men, they may already do that and still need support with medication. "

And for that you can see your GP you don’t need a private clinic.

Great let’s throw in some HCG to preserve your fertility but grow you some breasts.

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By *amantha_JadeWoman
3 weeks ago

Newcastle


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in "

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc.

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By *929Man
3 weeks ago

newcastle


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc."

It was £16 till recently, you one of the most knowledgeable person I’ve known on trt it’s very Impressive how much you know

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