FabSwingers.com mobile

Join us FREE, we're FREE to use

Web's largest swingers site since 2006.

Already registered?
Login here

Back to forum list
Back to The Lounge

Testosterone Replacement TRT part 2

Jump to newest
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information.

.

The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life.

.

Symptoms;

If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy

brain fog

low sex drive

body shape change

Lesser erections (softer, less frequent)

Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age.

There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial.

There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens

I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range,

I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist,

I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density.

(Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis").

He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture.

His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS.

NOTE; This is a nhs treatment;

I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders.

I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well.

I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower.

My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too.

.

So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement

• fatigue

• lethargy

• depression

• anxiety

• irritability

• low libido

• erectile dysfunction

• reduced exercise tolerance and strength

• excessive sweating and night sweats

• poor concentration or memory

My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life.

My overall well being has increased rapidly,

my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles

My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required,

often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue

Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *iss KinkWoman
over a year ago

Up North

It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private "

It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private

It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible. "

With Regards to Females;

Ladies going through the "menopause" some ladies are given low doses of testosterone by their doctor (depending on how clued up the GP is, and postcode area).

Low testosterone in a female is the main cause of Osteoporosis

Osteoporosis is the "Hidden" disease which does not show until normally it is too late.

With regards to Males;

again as stated above, the problem is that most GP's are not clued up on the cause & effects of Low Testosterone

Often you must request a private consultation to get the ball rolling.

If the specialist confirms you are low in testosterone he will write a report to your GP and your GP will put you on Testosterone replacement via nhs.

often this is also post code related.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *mooth shaftMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I've been PMing the OP and he's given some really useful info. I'll be contacting my doc.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Big advocate of TRT here. Changed my life for the better.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been on the gel for a week now. First three days were weird. Really wired, couldn't sleep one night. Feel more normal now. Definitely have better energy levels. Gym has also been a bit better. Libido, still a bit early...

On two pumps of Testogel a day. Will be interesting to see after a month.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside

If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested."

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?"
Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. "

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids "
What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid. "

It's still irresponsible suggesting going down some shady route

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

Great thread.

Bookmarked.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The discussion is about TRT for low testosterone symptoms. Yes, you can get it elsewhere if that's what you want to do. Some people are quite knowledgeable but from experience it's a lot of bro-science. A GP will know some, an endocrinologist more. If you go to a private clinic then perhaps even more so.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ervice2000Man
over a year ago

derby

Id like some testogel.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Id like some testogel."

Get yourself a blood test with your GP. Read up on the symptoms on the NHS website and tell your doctor that it matches you. Then see if it's needed.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire


"Id like some testogel.

Get yourself a blood test with your GP. Read up on the symptoms on the NHS website and tell your doctor that it matches you. Then see if it's needed."

Surely you mean read up on the symptoms to check if he has any of them

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid. "

Dirty Deeds

from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required.

Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life.

Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix

once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea.

You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out

after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year.

Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient.

the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including;

impotence

infertility

low sex drive

tiredness

depressive moods

bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone)

You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills .

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies "

Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . "

why would you wish to go down the route of a private clinic? are you aware of the cost of TRT?

and what exactly are you talking about with popping pills, there are no pills to pop on TRT

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . "

I think you are confusing TRT with steroid usage.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies

Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of "

Fatty fish. Fatty fish like salmon and sardines are rich in nutrients that are important for hormonal health, such as vitamin D, zinc, and omega-3 fatty acids.

Dark, leafy greens.

Cocoa products.

Avocados.

Eggs.

Berries, cherries, and pomegranates.

Shellfish

That's just a few are many choices if a person maybe allergic to certain things

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Porridge oats

Lemon is very useful

So you don't really need to jump for the jab

Everything is already available to provide the body naturally

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *it-chrissyTV/TS
over a year ago

sw. london

unwanted side effects ?

i wouldn't want to grow hair like a werewolf, start fights in lidl or see my nice balls shrink away...

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *erkshireBiCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Reading

Wheres part 1?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wheres part 1?"

TRT - testosterone replacement

Use the search

There is a lot of good "correct information"

I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer.

This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards

Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's

But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Made life actually worth living again

Diagnosed aged 30 with levels 8.2 Nmol but refused any treatment. Went the self medication route but used a generous TRT dose of 250mg the difference in quality of life was amazing.

Was forced to come off earlier this year when had a heart attack which came after a severe sickness bug left me so dehydrated I couldn’t walk got took to minor injuries ward and was told was having a heart attack and rushed to an emergent hospital, of course doctors blamed the testosterone, but heart function has return to normal and tests have since shown left ventricle is completely normal no enlargement whatsoever, liver and kidney function is also 100%, endocrinology want to see heart function improved before re starting trt which it has so waiting to see endocrinologist before restarting

Being off trt feels like utter shit, emotional, tired low sex drive can’t wait to restart.

Just watch the blood of going self medicate route tell a doctor and get tested as blood can get thick due to increased red blood cells better to be safe than sorry

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . "

You realise testosterone isn’t a supplement, it’s replacing something the body can create naturally, and lack of it can affect sleep, muscles and weight gain……

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jumping in from a different perspective (as a female) but Testogel has completely transformed my life since I was prescribed it last May.

I suffered from debilitating migraine headaches on a daily basis having had Covid in Nov 2020. Briefly, following numerous appointments with consultants, scans etc and all sorts of high dosage medication, nothing worked.

Did my own research, my fab Doc was more than happy to prescribe and headaches cleared up after 18 months within 48hrs!!

I’ve always had a high sex drive but wow it’s certainly on another level now

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Wheres part 1?

TRT - testosterone replacement

Use the search

There is a lot of good "correct information"

I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer.

This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards

Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's

But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis "

Excuse me it's not from Joe blogs

It's from a nutrition book healthy eating which I use when training so I'm eating correct to provide maximum your body produces testosterone and foods help maintain the levels so it's balanced but those who wrote up about it and published a book must be lacking knowledge

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

supplements are a substitute

Not natural whereas food is. supplements advice you that don't use it alone and only rely on it

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wheres part 1?

TRT - testosterone replacement

Use the search

There is a lot of good "correct information"

I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer.

This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards

Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's

But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis

Excuse me it's not from Joe blogs

It's from a nutrition book healthy eating which I use when training so I'm eating correct to provide maximum your body produces testosterone and foods help maintain the levels so it's balanced but those who wrote up about it and published a book must be lacking knowledge "

Bucka39 it seems you have not understood the reasons of this thread.

This thread is not for people with normal healthy testicles that work as normal and for someone looking to increase more through good diet and sleep for body building purposes.

This thread is for people with hypogonadism and for people in late 40's onwards where natural testosterone drops off.

Let's try this way to explain;

If you have a car with a broken fuel pump, you do not keep adding petrol in hope that it will fix the problem and the car will run.

You can add all the petrol (or in your case diet) and the car will still not run as the fuel pump is broken. (hypogonadism).

This thread is for people who cannot produce natural testosterone due to certain health conditions and hence TRT is required.

I hope I have said in a way that has made you understand.

Go look for some bodybuilding threads where people want to increase higher levels of natural testosterone as your comments here are of no use for anyone with these medical problems.

Or go and read the Original TRT testosterone replacement thread and hopefully this will help you understand.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids "

I can get these easy but training is a must but the if you go into say savers you can buy testo z10s these are great only part of these is there 11 quid for a pot lol

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids

I can get these easy but training is a must but the if you go into say savers you can buy testo z10s these are great only part of these is there 11 quid for a pot lol"

"Testo-Z10 zinc Contributes to the maintenance of normal testosterone levels in the blood."

As said above, not what this thread is about

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *irty_DeedsMan
over a year ago

Teesside


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid.

Dirty Deeds

from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required.

Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life.

Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix

once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea.

You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out

after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year.

Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient.

the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including;

impotence

infertility

low sex drive

tiredness

depressive moods

bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone)

You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for."
How else would you describe testosterone that is injected? I have 4 friends currently on trt. 1 is using gel. The other 3 are taking a weekly/10 day Injection of Testosterone Enthanate. 2 of those injecting the test were refused treatment because despite their numbers being low, it wasn't low enough for their gp to do anything about it. All 4 are happier than ever, with all symptoms pretty much gone. Guess where the 2 guys refused treatment found out that they could get private bloodtests and the test that the nhs weren't providing, for a fraction of the cost that a private company like Numan charges? That's right, guy they know from the pub. Someone who I'd bet knows more about hormones than you considering he's been on them since his 20's in some shape or form. Would you like me to take some pictures of their vials and send them over for some proof?

Get off your high horse.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *woforone2025Couple (MM)
over a year ago

cc


"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic.

However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills .

why would you wish to go down the route of a private clinic? are you aware of the cost of TRT?

and what exactly are you talking about with popping pills, there are no pills to pop on TRT"

Some do have to take an AI if their oestrogen gets too high so there may be a pill to pop.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself.

I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested.

Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too.

That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid.

Dirty Deeds

from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required.

Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life.

Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix

once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea.

You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out

after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year.

Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient.

the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including;

impotence

infertility

low sex drive

tiredness

depressive moods

bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone)

You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for.How else would you describe testosterone that is injected? I have 4 friends currently on trt. 1 is using gel. The other 3 are taking a weekly/10 day Injection of Testosterone Enthanate. 2 of those injecting the test were refused treatment because despite their numbers being low, it wasn't low enough for their gp to do anything about it. All 4 are happier than ever, with all symptoms pretty much gone. Guess where the 2 guys refused treatment found out that they could get private bloodtests and the test that the nhs weren't providing, for a fraction of the cost that a private company like Numan charges? That's right, guy they know from the pub. Someone who I'd bet knows more about hormones than you considering he's been on them since his 20's in some shape or form. Would you like me to take some pictures of their vials and send them over for some proof?

Get off your high horse."

Aye it exactly same thing mate

only slight advantage the doctor prescribed trt has is the nebido (testosterone undecanote) is less frequent injections due to longer ester vs test cypionate or enthanate which is shorter ester and ideally should be a week or at most 2 weeks between injections, more frequent injections are better for stable hormone levels (nebido is available but not many labs carry it as it’s not very popular)

It’s also ridiculously cheap a vial of test e or c is 20 quid and will last 20 weeks at trt dose.

Like you say bodybuilders have been well ahead of science/doctors on many things (training for hypertrophy, eating to grow muscle and of course hormones )

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't trust someone whose only qualification is "having done it for 20 years". There's so much bro science around.

As for me, almost a month in. Definitely better energy levels, definitely better mood. Haven't exactly exploded with serious gainz in the gym, and the sex drive is still a bit meh. Need to get my next blood test sorted really...

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I wouldn't trust someone whose only qualification is "having done it for 20 years". There's so much bro science around.

As for me, almost a month in. Definitely better energy levels, definitely better mood. Haven't exactly exploded with serious gainz in the gym, and the sex drive is still a bit meh. Need to get my next blood test sorted really..."

You should be getting your bloods tested every 6 weeks until they find the correct dosage for you

I suspect you will increase from 2 pumps if using the pump applicator.

Remember your fsh & lh will not have shut down yet as you are only a month in.

Over a year your FSH & LH will drop off to a very low percentage.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I wouldn't trust someone whose only qualification is "having done it for 20 years". There's so much bro science around.

As for me, almost a month in. Definitely better energy levels, definitely better mood. Haven't exactly exploded with serious gainz in the gym, and the sex drive is still a bit meh. Need to get my next blood test sorted really...

You should be getting your bloods tested every 6 weeks until they find the correct dosage for you

I suspect you will increase from 2 pumps if using the pump applicator.

Remember your fsh & lh will not have shut down yet as you are only a month in.

Over a year your FSH & LH will drop off to a very low percentage."

Thanks, yes, I'm on the pump. I'll give it a week and then chase the GP. They've been good so far.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *xploressCouple
over a year ago

Exeter'ish

Great thread, thank you. My wife is in HRT including Testogel but in much lower doses. Its really helped her and made me curious whether I might need some.. I recognise some of the symptoms. I did get a test a while back but the levels came back as normal and stupidly I didn't make a note of what the actual level was.

So if normal range is 10-30 nmol/L.. What level would you need to be down to before they'll offer TRT?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Great thread, thank you. My wife is in HRT including Testogel but in much lower doses. Its really helped her and made me curious whether I might need some.. I recognise some of the symptoms. I did get a test a while back but the levels came back as normal and stupidly I didn't make a note of what the actual level was.

So if normal range is 10-30 nmol/L.. What level would you need to be down to before they'll offer TRT? "

I was 13 nmol/L with bloods taken at 8.30am.

To the normal NHS GP doctor- this is within the normal limits and he would send you on your way.

BUT, this is not the deciding factor.

I broke my ankle twice and it was on the second time that my surgeon requested my testosterone to be tested.

This came back at 13nmol/L which is low but kind of acceptable

BUT** MY FREE TESTOSTERONE was also tested and this came back extremely low which means my 13nmol/L was not converting to Free testosterone and building my bone mass.

This meant my bone mass was Low and I had Osteoporosis due to Low Testosterone.

This was also confirmed with a DEXA scan which measures bone density.

After 2 years on TRT my bone density increased by 12% and a further 10% within 4 years.

I no longer have Osteoporosis and my bone density is returning to normal

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Great thread, thank you. My wife is in HRT including Testogel but in much lower doses. Its really helped her and made me curious whether I might need some.. I recognise some of the symptoms. I did get a test a while back but the levels came back as normal and stupidly I didn't make a note of what the actual level was.

So if normal range is 10-30 nmol/L.. What level would you need to be down to before they'll offer TRT?

I was 13 nmol/L with bloods taken at 8.30am.

To the normal NHS GP doctor- this is within the normal limits and he would send you on your way.

BUT, this is not the deciding factor.

I broke my ankle twice and it was on the second time that my surgeon requested my testosterone to be tested.

This came back at 13nmol/L which is low but kind of acceptable

BUT** MY FREE TESTOSTERONE was also tested and this came back extremely low which means my 13nmol/L was not converting to Free testosterone and building my bone mass.

This meant my bone mass was Low and I had Osteoporosis due to Low Testosterone.

This was also confirmed with a DEXA scan which measures bone density.

After 2 years on TRT my bone density increased by 12% and a further 10% within 4 years.

I no longer have Osteoporosis and my bone density is returning to normal "

Further to the above, I receive TRT - testosterone replacement on the nhs

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kicking this back up. How have people been getting on? I'm almost six months in, and it's been good so far. Doc just upped my BP medication. Checking in 4-6 weeks. Had a letter saying I'm going to be referred to endocrinology, so that's still waiting. Would have been hell if they'd decided to wait for that first.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Kicking this back up. How have people been getting on? I'm almost six months in, and it's been good so far. Doc just upped my BP medication. Checking in 4-6 weeks. Had a letter saying I'm going to be referred to endocrinology, so that's still waiting. Would have been hell if they'd decided to wait for that first."

I am basically back to living a normal life, back to full health and continue to receive an injection every 8 weeks, I no longer have concerns and my body has fully adjusted to TRT.

I now get my bloods tested only once a year and levels are fairly steady.

Bone mass still gets checked every 2 years, I now have a very slim waist as that is an advantage of Testosterone, it removes tummy body fat.

All is good, health is good and sex life is good.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *mooth shaftMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

After following this forum had my testosterone level checked and it came in at 12

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After following this forum had my testosterone level checked and it came in at 12"

Might be too high for the NHS to do something about. Hopefully you'll get an understanding GP. Good luck.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *mooth shaftMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

My GP says no action required

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My GP says no action required"

How do you feel about that?

There's always private, although my view on them is that they'll obviously try and sell you the entire farm. Find a good and reputable clinic and see what they say.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I requested going to the Ed clinic the consultant suggested I should go on tester gel and wrote the letter to my doctor of which he put me on it. However my testosterone level is about nine. Elvis concerned about the side effects especially at my age and the fact that I used to suffer from sleep apnea and asthma. I decided not to continue with it as it's not proven to be helpful to people of advancing years

I actually don't have any trouble with their actions or with sperm production and can come quite a lot. I do take vitamin d riboflavin and cq10 every day

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My GP says no action required"

Can’t you ask to be referred to endocrinology and see what they say? Trt is still pretty much in the dark ages here I’d push for it if you are feeling shit.

Because it usually declines gradually Only once getting on trt and having healthy levels do you realise how truly bad you felt before

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"After following this forum had my testosterone level checked and it came in at 12

Might be too high for the NHS to do something about. Hopefully you'll get an understanding GP. Good luck."

The problem is;

The NHS does not test FREE Testosterone

12 is low but they have absolutely no idea of how much free testosterone is feeding your bone growth.

In my case virtually zero which had caused onset Osteoporosis and broken bone.

Luckily I suggested to the surgeon that my natural testosterone was low and it was the surgeon who investigated this further.

The outcome was low natural testosterone and extremely low free testosterone

I then requested my doctor refer me private at Murrayfield hospital Edinburgh.

Further investigation and reports sent both to myself and my NHS practice GP

My gp followed advice and I am now on TRT for life under NHS.

I refer myself private once a year for blood tests which are not covered under NHS and are essential whilst on this treatment.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *N4funCouple
over a year ago

Manchester


"I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information.

.

The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life.

.

Symptoms;

If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy

brain fog

low sex drive

body shape change

Lesser erections (softer, less frequent)

Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age.

There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial.

There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens

I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range,

I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist,

I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density.

(Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis").

He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture.

His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS.

NOTE; This is a nhs treatment;

I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders.

I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well.

I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower.

My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too.

.

So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement

• fatigue

• lethargy

• depression

• anxiety

• irritability

• low libido

• erectile dysfunction

• reduced exercise tolerance and strength

• excessive sweating and night sweats

• poor concentration or memory

My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life.

My overall well being has increased rapidly,

my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles

My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required,

often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue

Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience."

Ray thanks for bring this back up. Most of what you have in the above is what I have been suffering with for that last 2 yrs and has worsened over the last 6 months and included migraines on a regular basis. The GP has done some blood tests and found my B12 is at the bottom of the range so I've been shock dosed and have to go back in 3 months. When I go back I'll be asking about getting my testosterone tested if the symptoms are still there.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Sometimes you need a private consultation for to get your testosterone tested

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *xploressCouple
over a year ago

Exeter'ish

Hi Ray, I got hold of my test results from last year and interestingly they did test for all 3 values, not just T levels.. All bang in the middle apparently.

Had me pondering.. What if as a youngster you had high testosterone, and the levels have tailed off since and are now average. Presumably you would notice that and it might feel like you were missing something, but actually your levels are still OK. Just not as OK as they used to be!

Anyway, this was all done by the NHS, didn't have to fight for it.. And they did the whole shebang.

In case it helps anyone else to get a sense of what average looks like, here are my values (and the normal ranges in brackets) :

SHGB: 35.6 (20.6 - 76.7)

Serum Testosterone: 15.5 nmol/L (6.7 - 25.7)

Free Androgen: 43% (24.3 - 72)

Great thread by the way

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *etsgetnakedCouple
over a year ago

tyldesley

I am going down the route of TRT at the moment with a private company called Optimale.

So far they seem like a professional company. They tell me my T levels are low but I'm sure so would most companies when they want your money?

I have done a finger pick and my levels came back at 9. After that I have done a full blood test which tested for all sorts of things.

That came back at 11.5 which I have been told is still low.

One thing they are hot on is your PSA level. I was really really worried about this test as my dad passed from prostate cancer last year and there is also a history of it on my mums side.

My PSA levels came back really low but they still require a physical examination. Reasons are my age and family history. If that comes back OK I have been told that the process is pretty quick.

The reasons for me wanting to get my T levels tested in the first place was not so much sexual. Yes my election is not as good as it use to be and I do struggle to keep an hard-on in condoms these days (without the blue pill).

My main reason was the total lack of drive, motivation a complete lack of self-esteem confidence most of the time.

So fingers crossed my prostate exam goes well and I can start treatment soon.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *hawn ScottMan
over a year ago

london Brixton

If your doctor won't supply it then just buy it yourself?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ab FunstersCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

On line pharmacist..do a blood test and answer some questions. If they are happy then they will prescribe some for you. Approx £18.00 per month from Super d's.

3 days after starting it brain fog cleared and energy levels are increasing.(mrs FF).For the first time in years i actually felt good, happy..best thing i have done for ages. Over a year trying to get my GP surgery to listen to me..got fed up of waiting.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks


"On line pharmacist..do a blood test and answer some questions. If they are happy then they will prescribe some for you. Approx £18.00 per month from Super d's.

3 days after starting it brain fog cleared and energy levels are increasing.(mrs FF).For the first time in years i actually felt good, happy..best thing i have done for ages. Over a year trying to get my GP surgery to listen to me..got fed up of waiting. "

Welcome to the good stuff

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *umansextoysCouple
over a year ago

waterford

Interesting thread,, theres a great clinic called the mens health clinic,,, theres videos on you tube and very honest information about trt hrt ,,, from what I take from it is that trt is only another piece in the puzzle,, no 1 is sleep ,2 is nutrition, 3 exercise 4 trt ,, but you have to be doing 1,2,3 honestly to get benfits , and trt is life long commitment

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *oecutterMan
over a year ago

Clonakilty

I’m on TRT. Cypionate and HCG twice a week.

Life changing.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ervice2000Man
over a year ago

derby


"I’m on TRT. Cypionate and HCG twice a week.

Life changing. "

How do we get into it?? Lots of women get hrt but no support/recognition for male hormones! (Or am i being anti woke?) Lol

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So i started doing strongman about 11 months ago and was advised by my coach that i should have a health check and blood tests doing just to check all my levels, after 4 different trips 3 and abit months to the doctors for different blood test i was informed i do indeed have low test levels and was refered to an endocrologist already now missed 1 appointment due to their errorr in sending my appointment letter to the wrong address for june time i was then told i couldnt get another appointment till november as i had missed the appointment i was given lol needless to say i have given up waiting and went with a private company and had all my blood tests done on the spot and results with a couple of days and i am on test injections now

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *oecutterMan
over a year ago

Clonakilty


"I’m on TRT. Cypionate and HCG twice a week.

Life changing.

How do we get into it?? Lots of women get hrt but no support/recognition for male hormones! (Or am i being anti woke?) Lol"

No, your observation is correct.

By far the easiest way as far as I’m aware is to go to a private clinic.

I’m told Optimale is good for those the UK.

I’m in Ireland so I go to one up in Dublin.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the gel since December. Had blood pressure issues before and it's pushed them quite a bit higher. On Ramipril now to try and get it down.

Did eventually get to see an endocrinologist in July and if my GP hadn't already put me on it I doubt she would have. Basically decided on the spot it was all in my head.

If I had the money I'd go private for the injections but for now the gel will have to do.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ew plcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Hi all.

What blood test I need to do to qualify for potential trt?

From what I was trying to find out from Google I need more then just testosteron. LH, FHS, ESTRADIOL, PROLACTIN, PROGESTERONE they all play part in low libido and ED.

My GP thinks it's just testosterone I need to check.

Is there any good resources I can like to my doctor?

Thanks

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ervice2000Man
over a year ago

derby


"On the gel since December. Had blood pressure issues before and it's pushed them quite a bit higher. On Ramipril now to try and get it down.

Did eventually get to see an endocrinologist in July and if my GP hadn't already put me on it I doubt she would have. Basically decided on the spot it was all in my head.

If I had the money I'd go private for the injections but for now the gel will have to do. "

What the gel caused high bp?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ot - CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

That's a very interesting read, thanks OP.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

"

The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either

Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be.

I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13.

If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Hi all.

What blood test I need to do to qualify for potential trt?

From what I was trying to find out from Google I need more then just testosteron. LH, FHS, ESTRADIOL, PROLACTIN, PROGESTERONE they all play part in low libido and ED.

My GP thinks it's just testosterone I need to check.

Is there any good resources I can like to my doctor?

Thanks"

Private clinics follow guidelines set by BSSM (British Society of Sexual Medicine) but may also have their own extra requirements that will differ from clinic to clinic. You’ll usually need two low testosterone results from two separate blood tests. At least one of the tests will also usually need to have checked other markers, including a full blood count, lipids, LH, FSH, PSA.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either

Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be.

I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13.

If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T

"

They disregard any test taken later in the day You have test low early in morning when hormones are at peak to qualify

Testosterone takes time to build to a peak If the doctor gave you 2 shots in 5 years you won’t feel anything especially not if your testing 29 in morning that’s a very healthy level that doctor while I admire his willingness to give out testosterone freely should be struck off haha

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either

Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be.

I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13.

If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T

They disregard any test taken later in the day You have test low early in morning when hormones are at peak to qualify

Testosterone takes time to build to a peak If the doctor gave you 2 shots in 5 years you won’t feel anything especially not if your testing 29 in morning that’s a very healthy level that doctor while I admire his willingness to give out testosterone freely should be struck off haha "

It’s not - they chose to treat the observable symptoms rather than medicate below a generic number with no idea what your ‘normal ‘ was prior to testing. If you were reading 40 -50 in younger years and 20-30 is very low.

The UK way is based on budgets not symptoms

A lot of doctors and professionals of the UKNHS way of doing it to a generic number for all people indeed very flawed

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

You get this a lot with access to medicine where budgets limit the amount of people that can get it.

Treating symptoms is a methodology that private doctors follow. Everyone’s body is different , Hormone levels vary significantly between people , low for one person might be high for another it all depends what your range was before you had symptoms which is usually impossible to know

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies

Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of "

Semen retention

Plenty of fat instead of shitty sugar

Get sleep

Exercise

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ornyandlisaCouple
over a year ago

Warrington

Has anyone had to do an MRI scan ? An if so what is the reason for it ??

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Has anyone had to do an MRI scan ? An if so what is the reason for it ?? "

Doctors will sometimes request an MRI in order to check the pituitary gland. If the pituitary gland is not functioning properly, it can cause symptoms such as fatigue, sexual dysfunction and changes in body composition, appearance or weight. It is more common for doctors to request an MRI when testosterone levels are ‘very low’ on multiple tests (below 5.4nmol/l).

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ot - CoupleCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow

A lot of interesting reading on here. I had my testosterone level checked as well as a few other things and it all came back normal. My testosterone level was 20.3 The doctor has given me Viagra I can't remember the proper drug name. I was having problems with a solid erection and it wasn't staying up for long. I took a Viagra that the doctor prescribed, wow, I felt like a teenage boy again. I forgot to ask what is the normal level for testosterone for a 54 year old male. Does anyone know a chart I can look up.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle


"A lot of interesting reading on here. I had my testosterone level checked as well as a few other things and it all came back normal. My testosterone level was 20.3 The doctor has given me Viagra I can't remember the proper drug name. I was having problems with a solid erection and it wasn't staying up for long. I took a Viagra that the doctor prescribed, wow, I felt like a teenage boy again. I forgot to ask what is the normal level for testosterone for a 54 year old male. Does anyone know a chart I can look up. "

There are various charts for normal/average levels online and the values will differ depending on the source.

One I found on a website for a private TRT clinic says that the *average* testosterone levels for a man aged 45-54 years old are:

- Total testosterone: 21.02nmol/L

- Free testosterone: 0.314nmol/L

For age group 55-64 years old the average decreases as follows:

- Total testosterone: 19.49nmol/L

- Free testosterone: 0.2888nmol/L

The NHS will usually only consider levels low enough to be eligible for treatment when below 6-7nmol/L

Testosterone levels do usually decrease with age but these are typically considered a *normal* range for most age groups:

- Total testosterone: 12nmol/L - 26nmol/L

- Free testosterone: 0.225nmol/L - 0.65nmol/L

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It takes 4 weeks or more for a effect

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

True about knowing about it but testosterone is not a steroid body builder use it as a abase and then take anabolic steroids you always run your test higher than your anabolic

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Medichecks is ideal to get all your levels shows you everything about you well worth it .

Doctors have no clue really on all this

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information.

.

The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life.

.

Symptoms;

If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy

brain fog

low sex drive

body shape change

Lesser erections (softer, less frequent)

Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age.

There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial.

There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens

I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range,

I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist,

I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density.

(Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis").

He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture.

His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS.

NOTE; This is a nhs treatment;

I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders.

I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well.

I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower.

My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too.

.

So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement

• fatigue

• lethargy

• depression

• anxiety

• irritability

• low libido

• erectile dysfunction

• reduced exercise tolerance and strength

• excessive sweating and night sweats

• poor concentration or memory

My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life.

My overall well being has increased rapidly,

my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles

My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required,

often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue

Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience."

Not at 45 I'm assuming you have at that age low testosterone level can hit men at age 29 it's all down to gene's as of my experience I have been on trt since then but it's very strong I get hypo like redbull on wings so need to calm da fck down by using less so I do supply shhhh

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private

It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible. "

Are you interested in getting testosterone gel 16.2 mg

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I started TRT over a year ago. It was life changing.

I now source Sustanon independently and use another provider for blood tests. I need an aromatase inhibitor to keep my estrogen down and ensure my blood stays thin enough as I can get a high hematocrit level without that.

I train for strength and cardio throughout the week and feel brand new compared to the old me. I've also been dry from alcohol for over 5 months x

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly I'm not sure if it's worked that great for me. Doing it on the NHS means I have an endocrinologist who doesn't give a flying monkeys about it. My last blood test in March showed my testosterone at almost 35 which is stupid high and my PSA has gone from 0.8 in September to 1.6, so double in six months. All really worrying. And I'm the one who has to chase them about it. My blood pressure is constantly about 145/100 even with max doses of Ramipril and Amlopidin. Have a phone consultation with a "clinician" next week about the PSA but they'll just fob me off again. So right now if the stroke doesn't get me at 55 I'll have a prostate the size of a grapefruit soon enough.

They just don't have the capacity to care.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But then I can't get laid to save my life anyway so what difference does it all make? Some days I think that stroke won't be such a bad thing anyway.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Mayfair

This is important.

Gentlemen — look after yourselves. 🩶

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ohnysteMan
over a year ago

newcastle under lyme

V similar story to myself works great

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *az 1976Man
over a year ago

DARTFORD

I'm on testosterone replacement injection form every three months As I had Testicular cancer About fifteen years ago But getting all the signs that are in the first comment Brain fog No energy And all the rest But the hospital says I'm on the right dose From the blood tests😬🤬

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its a full metabolic disaster to be below 12.5nmols, also depending on your free testosterone fraction.

Private trt is what, £200 a month?

well, that ain't happening.

Check for metabolic syndrome also, high waist hip ratio, high ldl cholesterol, high ldl, hdl ratio, high triglycerides. Glucose will probably be a bit whack.

There's more and plenty of guides out there, but firstly try to lose weight sensibly and exercise is certainly the most important part to counteract inflammatory compounds.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Its a full metabolic disaster to be below 12.5nmols, also depending on your free testosterone fraction.

Private trt is what, £200 a month?

well, that ain't happening.

Check for metabolic syndrome also, high waist hip ratio, high ldl cholesterol, high ldl, hdl ratio, high triglycerides. Glucose will probably be a bit whack.

There's more and plenty of guides out there, but firstly try to lose weight sensibly and exercise is certainly the most important part to counteract inflammatory compounds.

"

Is that what they are charging? Self administered would cost about 2-4 quid a month

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *H-XXIIIMan
over a year ago

Gander

Great info here.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle

Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *tticusukMan
over a year ago

Formby

TRT is one of the biggest scams around at the moment.

There is no real regulation on its use in private healthcare.

Taking exogenous testosterone prevents the production of endogenous testosterone. You end up with a negative feedback loop. It’s why bodybuilders end up with shrunken testes.

Most people don’t need TRT, the need a better diet and exercise.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options. "

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"TRT is one of the biggest scams around at the moment.

There is no real regulation on its use in private healthcare.

Taking exogenous testosterone prevents the production of endogenous testosterone. You end up with a negative feedback loop. It’s why bodybuilders end up with shrunken testes.

Most people don’t need TRT, the need a better diet and exercise. "

Agreed, but sometimes a carefully titrated blood testing regime linked with your mood may be good. Yes to the exogenous vs endogenous issue. It's still more complicated than that due to genetics, shbg and the other things.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and I wasn't trying to tell the 2 muscley men that I knew as much or more as them.

:p

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle

Private TRT clinics follow guidelines set by BSSM. Medications such as HCG can be used alongside TRT to help maintain testicular function and prevent the testicles from shrinking. Good diet, regular exercise, a healthy BMI and reduced alcohol intake can help to maintain/increase testosterone levels but for some men, they may already do that and still need support with medication.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *tticusukMan
over a year ago

Formby


"Private TRT clinics follow guidelines set by BSSM. Medications such as HCG can be used alongside TRT to help maintain testicular function and prevent the testicles from shrinking. Good diet, regular exercise, a healthy BMI and reduced alcohol intake can help to maintain/increase testosterone levels but for some men, they may already do that and still need support with medication. "

And for that you can see your GP you don’t need a private clinic.

Great let’s throw in some HCG to preserve your fertility but grow you some breasts.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in "

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc."

It was £16 till recently, you one of the most knowledgeable person I’ve known on trt it’s very Impressive how much you know

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inkyguyUKMan
over a year ago

worcester


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private "
women are more likely to get help with hormones men have to be extreme or the is private. I manage have a friend who get me all the trt meds for each ten weeks and do tests. Life saver as manage to get 10 weeks or real pharma for far less than private and I feel amazing and so horny

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inkyguyUKMan
over a year ago

worcester


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc.

It was £16 till recently, you one of the most knowledgeable person I’ve known on trt it’s very Impressive how much you know "
£22 is a ugl. You can take your chances it's make in a house, kitchen etc I did trt well reviewed brand and it created a lump. I manage to get full pharma for not much more. You need ghc for balls and an anti estrogen

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc.

It was £16 till recently, you one of the most knowledgeable person I’ve known on trt it’s very Impressive how much you know £22 is a ugl. You can take your chances it's make in a house, kitchen etc I did trt well reviewed brand and it created a lump. I manage to get full pharma for not much more. You need ghc for balls and an anti estrogen "

Yes it’s ugl but as long as find a decent brand will be fine, obviously sourcing pharma grade better but it’s faked far more often than ugl. I been on ugl for 10+ years now no issues

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is 1000mg test 600mg tren a week and 3 dbol a day classed as trt asking for a friend 👀

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inkyguyUKMan
over a year ago

worcester


"Is 1000mg test 600mg tren a week and 3 dbol a day classed as trt asking for a friend 👀"
He must already be pretty close to normal levels as if he has a want to additional lean muscle and weight loss the oral winnie, clenibutaral, and 300 anavar. Make sure he keeps upping and downing the tren for mental stability. Is this his cruise trt?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inkyguyUKMan
over a year ago

worcester


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc.

It was £16 till recently, you one of the most knowledgeable person I’ve known on trt it’s very Impressive how much you know £22 is a ugl. You can take your chances it's make in a house, kitchen etc I did trt well reviewed brand and it created a lump. I manage to get full pharma for not much more. You need ghc for balls and an anti estrogen

Yes it’s ugl but as long as find a decent brand will be fine, obviously sourcing pharma grade better but it’s faked far more often than ugl. I been on ugl for 10+ years now no issues"
agreed I use only direct from pharma and most have a scratch area to verify its legit. Plus you need real hcg

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *1bttmMan
over a year ago

Shoreditch east London

Following with interest

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc.

It was £16 till recently, you one of the most knowledgeable person I’ve known on trt it’s very Impressive how much you know £22 is a ugl. You can take your chances it's make in a house, kitchen etc I did trt well reviewed brand and it created a lump. I manage to get full pharma for not much more. You need ghc for balls and an anti estrogen

Yes it’s ugl but as long as find a decent brand will be fine, obviously sourcing pharma grade better but it’s faked far more often than ugl. I been on ugl for 10+ years now no issues agreed I use only direct from pharma and most have a scratch area to verify its legit. Plus you need real hcg"

Definitely mate, I have no interest in maintaining fertility and don’t plan on ever coming off so don’t bother with hcg but for others who are it’s very important

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ortyairCouple
over a year ago

Wallasey


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc."
Can I ask what's FBC and PSA?, Mrs x

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options.

That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration.

10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in

It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc.Can I ask what's FBC and PSA?, Mrs x"

FBC is ‘full blood count’. PSA is ‘prostate specific antigen’. Both should be monitored once on treatment to make sure they stay at an acceptable level. If haematocrit levels get too high for example, some men may need to donate blood to help bring levels back down. Should also keep an eye on oestradiol and prolactin levels

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *itSurreyCoupleCouple
over a year ago

Reigate

I’m looking at getting checked.

Manual keeps on coming up, has anyone had any experience with them?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
38 weeks ago


"I’m looking at getting checked.

Manual keeps on coming up, has anyone had any experience with them? "

I was about to ask the same question .

Be good to hear peoples experiences

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *exanthemMan
26 weeks ago

Nearby

If people done want needle they can opt for gel - Cernos Testosterone gel is very effective - please check your GP for more details

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ove2pleaseseukMan
24 weeks ago

Hastings


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private "

To e fare most go private for trt I have started the journey with Manual had both blood tests and now need to book consolation. But it's going to add up and then could cost £1500 a month

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information.

.

The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life.

.

Symptoms;

If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy

brain fog

low sex drive

body shape change

Lesser erections (softer, less frequent)

Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age.

There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9!

I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial.

There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens

I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range,

I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist,

I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density.

(Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis").

He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture.

His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS.

NOTE; This is a nhs treatment;

I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders.

I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well.

I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower.

My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too.

.

So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement

• fatigue

• lethargy

• depression

• anxiety

• irritability

• low libido

• erectile dysfunction

• reduced exercise tolerance and strength

• excessive sweating and night sweats

• poor concentration or memory

My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life.

My overall well being has increased rapidly,

my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles

My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required,

often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue

Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience.

Ray thanks for bring this back up. Most of what you have in the above is what I have been suffering with for that last 2 yrs and has worsened over the last 6 months and included migraines on a regular basis. The GP has done some blood tests and found my B12 is at the bottom of the range so I've been shock dosed and have to go back in 3 months. When I go back I'll be asking about getting my testosterone tested if the symptoms are still there."

You are very welcome

And remember TRT is available on NHS

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *un69-18Man
23 weeks ago

preston

Where do you go to get tested for low testosterone ? Is it something that the GP can sort out ?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *our_Best_Kept_SecretMan
23 weeks ago

Telford


"Where do you go to get tested for low testosterone ? Is it something that the GP can sort out ?"

Yes...

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ecky and justCouple
23 weeks ago

Godalming

Been in discussion with doctor for last 8 years about this and have gone through multiple tests.

Have finally got agreement that I can go ahead.

Early testosterone peak for me and score is around 10/11 now.

Noticed lethargy and lack of exercise drive really. Body shape change is happening as well.

Will report back.

If better erections is byproduct then happy with that..

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross

I have been on TRT Testosterone Replacement for 7 years now, coming on 8 years.

First 3 years i was prescribed Testogel and after 6 months of bloods, it was found that 2 sachets per day, or if using pump, then 5 pumps.

I changed over to Nebido injection every 8 weeks and still on this today.

I am prescribed this via NHS and my total testosterone was 13nmol/L

BUT.... what many people including Doctors Do Not Understand.... is that my Free Testosterone was exceedingly Low..

This was discovered after I had various bone breaks and had Osteoporosis.

Low Free Testosterone prevents bone growth and causes osteoporosis

Osteoporosis can be reversed via TRT

After 3 years my bone density (Dexa scan) was showing a 17% increase in bone density and I had moved from Osteoporosis to Osteopinia, last year my bone density was Normal.

My bloods were initially taken every 3 months for psa, and all the regular trt checks, then every 6 months and now today my bloods are only taken once a year as all my readings are consistently the same.

When you start TRT, you are informed that if you start this then it's a life long decision and you are told the risks of increased chance of heart attack, stroke, and extremely Low sperm count, so if your planning to have children then forget TRT.

On the plus side erections are far more regular although with 8 weekly injections my first 4 weeks have regular and unexpected erections when not expected like when standing in line for shopping check-outs, and similar odd times, but weeks 4 - 8, I have suffered erectile dysfunction or going soft during sex.

With TRT; tummy fat around middle disappears, energy increases, you get more defined muscle and increasing growth of body hair.

TRT for me, has simply replaced the testosterone missing in my body, it has strengthened my bone density and as a 55 year old, I feel like im back in my 30's energy wise.

I had many consultations with my surgeon due to initial bone fractures and it was his decision that I should start TRT and he wrote to advise my doctor.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *herry77Woman
23 weeks ago

North West


"Where do you go to get tested for low testosterone ? Is it something that the GP can sort out ?"

I did some training with a psychosexual therapist and she recommended Leger Clinic. Dr Doug Savage who runs it is apparently the leading expert in the subject.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"Where do you go to get tested for low testosterone ? Is it something that the GP can sort out ?

I did some training with a psychosexual therapist and she recommended Leger Clinic. Dr Doug Savage who runs it is apparently the leading expert in the subject."

Why would you go to a clinic who's whole roll is to make money as an industry rather than go to your own NHS GP who has your own individual health care as sole interest and not to simply make money?

TRT testosterone replacement is for life and is simply to replace your bodies levels of testosterone to natural levels, ensuring that your Free and bioactive levels are accurate and reflect true androgen status.

Don't go to any backstreet clinic, TRT is for the whole of your life, not the next gym fix or "in thing to do for 2026"

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inky duo 100Couple
23 weeks ago

Lancaster

May I ask does taking trt make your hair fall out or thin ? This is something that's putting my hubby off taking it

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"May I ask does taking trt make your hair fall out or thin ? This is something that's putting my hubby off taking it "

I've been on TRT for 7 years now, and still have a full head of shoulder length hair.

TRT also increases hair growth on chest, back, arms and legs, nothing a razor can't remove if you don't like it.

TRT definitely increases muscle definition and burns off tummy fat around waist.

It was found and reported years ago that testosterone does not cause male baldness.

For information on TRT testosterone replacement check out.... Nebido.com

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *oeBeansMan
23 weeks ago

Derby

Also, it gets you absolutely wham 😎

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inky duo 100Couple
23 weeks ago

Lancaster


"May I ask does taking trt make your hair fall out or thin ? This is something that's putting my hubby off taking it

I've been on TRT for 7 years now, and still have a full head of shoulder length hair.

TRT also increases hair growth on chest, back, arms and legs, nothing a razor can't remove if you don't like it.

TRT definitely increases muscle definition and burns off tummy fat around waist.

It was found and reported years ago that testosterone does not cause male baldness.

For information on TRT testosterone replacement check out.... Nebido.com "
thanks for answering our question you've put his mind at rest .

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"May I ask does taking trt make your hair fall out or thin ? This is something that's putting my hubby off taking it

I've been on TRT for 7 years now, and still have a full head of shoulder length hair.

TRT also increases hair growth on chest, back, arms and legs, nothing a razor can't remove if you don't like it.

TRT definitely increases muscle definition and burns off tummy fat around waist.

It was found and reported years ago that testosterone does not cause male baldness.

For information on TRT testosterone replacement check out.... Nebido.com thanks for answering our question you've put his mind at rest ."

Any questions at all on TRT, testosterone replacement; I will be happy to help answer

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *orleneWoman
23 weeks ago

lancashire

i insisted from the gp a referral to the menopause clinic and they prescribed it,,changed my life

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ove2pleaseseukMan
23 weeks ago

Hastings

My gp won't entertain it so had a privet test with Manual

Fist one was a pin pric at home post result think it cost £55.

Second was nurse at home £85

Result is Testosterone 13.1

Free Testosterone 0.215 UMOL

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *herry77Woman
23 weeks ago

North West


"Where do you go to get tested for low testosterone ? Is it something that the GP can sort out ?

I did some training with a psychosexual therapist and she recommended Leger Clinic. Dr Doug Savage who runs it is apparently the leading expert in the subject.

Why would you go to a clinic who's whole roll is to make money as an industry rather than go to your own NHS GP who has your own individual health care as sole interest and not to simply make money?

TRT testosterone replacement is for life and is simply to replace your bodies levels of testosterone to natural levels, ensuring that your Free and bioactive levels are accurate and reflect true androgen status.

Don't go to any backstreet clinic, TRT is for the whole of your life, not the next gym fix or "in thing to do for 2026""

If you do some research on Dr Savage I think you’ll see it’s far from a back street clinic. I assume some men would choose a private specialist clinic over their GP in the same way many women do for menopause advice and treatment, and shared a recommendation I’d been given by a trusted source for those who may be looking to do some research into their options.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"Where do you go to get tested for low testosterone ? Is it something that the GP can sort out ?

I did some training with a psychosexual therapist and she recommended Leger Clinic. Dr Doug Savage who runs it is apparently the leading expert in the subject.

Why would you go to a clinic who's whole roll is to make money as an industry rather than go to your own NHS GP who has your own individual health care as sole interest and not to simply make money?

TRT testosterone replacement is for life and is simply to replace your bodies levels of testosterone to natural levels, ensuring that your Free and bioactive levels are accurate and reflect true androgen status.

Don't go to any backstreet clinic, TRT is for the whole of your life, not the next gym fix or "in thing to do for 2026"

If you do some research on Dr Savage I think you’ll see it’s far from a back street clinic. I assume some men would choose a private specialist clinic over their GP in the same way many women do for menopause advice and treatment, and shared a recommendation I’d been given by a trusted source for those who may be looking to do some research into their options."

Yes, I done some research on your Dr Doug Savage, who no longer continues a GP practice nor has he furthered himself in medicine but has infact set up in a money making clinic.

Ask Yourself; would you rather seek medical advice from this man, who's only title is "Dr"

OR

Would you follow the advice of a medical practitioner who has furthered themselves to the titles of: Consultant Urological Surgeon and Honorary Clinical Senior Lecturer?

Consultant Urological Surgeon's remove the "Dr" title because their knowledge is way beyond a " non practicing doctor"

Consultant Urological Surgeons continue to practice both within the NHS and private.

My choice is the above Consultant Urological Surgeon who continues in both NHS and private, continues operating and saving life's rather than setting up a money making clinic which sole intentions is profit making from desperate men who have no option but to seek the likes of a Leger clinic, putting their life's in the hands of such non practising doctors who will simply walk away from you with no support when things hit shit bottom.

Anyone finding difficulty with their own practice doctor should request to be referred to a private Consultant Urological Surgeon who continues to practice within NHS as well as private consultations.

Anyone needing help with this, I am happy to advise and give direction on how to do this.

But I will never advise a back street clinic who's prime intentions are profit

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *issyZoeyTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Bolton

Worth knowing that it will reduce your fertility - likely to zero.

The high doses of testosterone floating about the body affects the levels of LH and FSH in the body which switches off the sperm production in the testes.

It usually comes back again after stopping treatment.

Worth knowing if you are planning to have kids.

Do not rely on it as contraception though.

Also can thicken the blood due to high red blood cell production (polycythmia) which can increase risk of stroke or heart attack so ensure you get regular blood tests done. The risk isn’t massive but needs monitoring.

The other risk is male pattern baldness if you have the genetic susceptibility to it.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ove2pleaseseukMan
23 weeks ago

Hastings


"Where do you go to get tested for low testosterone ? Is it something that the GP can sort out ?

I did some training with a psychosexual therapist and she recommended Leger Clinic. Dr Doug Savage who runs it is apparently the leading expert in the subject.

Why would you go to a clinic who's whole roll is to make money as an industry rather than go to your own NHS GP who has your own individual health care as sole interest and not to simply make money?

TRT testosterone replacement is for life and is simply to replace your bodies levels of testosterone to natural levels, ensuring that your Free and bioactive levels are accurate and reflect true androgen status.

Don't go to any backstreet clinic, TRT is for the whole of your life, not the next gym fix or "in thing to do for 2026"

If you do some research on Dr Savage I think you’ll see it’s far from a back street clinic. I assume some men would choose a private specialist clinic over their GP in the same way many women do for menopause advice and treatment, and shared a recommendation I’d been given by a trusted source for those who may be looking to do some research into their options.

Yes, I done some research on your Dr Doug Savage, who no longer continues a GP practice nor has he furthered himself in medicine but has infact set up in a money making clinic.

Ask Yourself; would you rather seek medical advice from this man, who's only title is "Dr"

OR

Would you follow the advice of a medical practitioner who has furthered themselves to the titles of: Consultant Urological Surgeon and Honorary Clinical Senior Lecturer?

Consultant Urological Surgeon's remove the "Dr" title because their knowledge is way beyond a " non practicing doctor"

Consultant Urological Surgeons continue to practice both within the NHS and private.

My choice is the above Consultant Urological Surgeon who continues in both NHS and private, continues operating and saving life's rather than setting up a money making clinic which sole intentions is profit making from desperate men who have no option but to seek the likes of a Leger clinic, putting their life's in the hands of such non practising doctors who will simply walk away from you with no support when things hit shit bottom.

Anyone finding difficulty with their own practice doctor should request to be referred to a private Consultant Urological Surgeon who continues to practice within NHS as well as private consultations.

Anyone needing help with this, I am happy to advise and give direction on how to do this.

But I will never advise a back street clinic who's prime intentions are profit "

My Urologist had to remove a testicle but know mention of trt when I went back to the unit I was told my first point of call was GP and as I was over 8 I was not eligible for trt.

So am doing this with Manual. But now don't know if I want to go further.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
23 weeks ago

What type of test do you run, how much do you take and frequency

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
23 weeks ago

Outstanding thread … and the subject matter is incredibly interesting

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"Outstanding thread … and the subject matter is incredibly interesting

"

Any questions feel free to ask direct (pm) if you don't want to ask on forum

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *issyZoeyTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Bolton


"What type of test do you run, how much do you take and frequency "

The standard protocol is 4ml of Nebido (testosterone undecanoate) at 12 weeks. The dosing period can be between 10 and 14 weeks as per NHS guidelines.

Blood work is

Full blood count

Liver function

Electrolytes

Testosterone

LH and FSH

PSA once a year. Should also get a finger up there to check.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"What type of test do you run, how much do you take and frequency

The standard protocol is 4ml of Nebido (testosterone undecanoate) at 12 weeks. The dosing period can be between 10 and 14 weeks as per NHS guidelines.

Blood work is

Full blood count

Liver function

Electrolytes

Testosterone

LH and FSH

PSA once a year. Should also get a finger up there to check. "

I am on the above at 8 week intervals which is proven to work for myself

As per above you also require:

SHGB and Albumin as a minimum to calculate your Free and Bioavailable testosterone

There's no point getting your total testosterone result when nothing breaks down converting to Free testosterone

It's advisable to get your LH and FSH checked also, although they should drop right down to near enough zero

Once you have been on TRT for 4 or 5 years and all bloods leveling, you really only require 1 check per year.

I have a NHS check in June, and private check every December

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Bristol

I've been thinking that I might need to do this...

Almost every symptom described I have been feeling for about a year now and I hadn't considered it might be a case of low testosterone.

Is it something that once you start you have to keep taking forever?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"I've been thinking that I might need to do this...

Almost every symptom described I have been feeling for about a year now and I hadn't considered it might be a case of low testosterone.

Is it something that once you start you have to keep taking forever? "

Basically you are sat down and told that TRT is a life long treatment that you cannot simply stop and start, you are told the possible side effects, most of which are listed above and you are asked if you intend to father more children as TRT prevents this.

Your LH and FSH hormones regulated from your Pituitary gland basically drop to zero as your body recognises testosterone in your body from another source.

Be Aware; if you already suffer Low Testosterone then there is a high possibility that you also suffer Osteopinia which is the onset of Osteoporosis as no free testosterone will be feeding your bone mass

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *angerine DreamsCouple
23 weeks ago

Exeter

I am just starting this process with Manual (now called Voy). Found my symptoms absolutely chimed with low testosterone - for last 6 months I’ve been feeling like I’ve fallen off a cliff energy wise etc.

So far had finger prick and full bloods done and an online consultation. Did speak to GP and was told TRT was no longer offered to new beginners in my postcode. Having checked them out, Voy/Manual are not some backstreet clinic but very professional etc and I’ve made sure they’ve copied my gp in on everything.

The consultation was interesting: basically after full review of symptoms, lifestyle and pros & cons, was recommended tie options: a 2/3 times per week self administered injection (small, frequent doses to avoid peaks & troughs). Downside is you lose fertility (not an issue for me) and your balls shrink as “the body thinks you don’t need to produce any more as you’ve got enough testosterone in your system”. The alternative is a pill which works by telling your body to increase production so maintains size of balls.

I’ll be going with the pill to begin with as I really don’t want to be sticking myself with a needle that often but will change if required. Will need to give blood to avoid blood thickening and 6 weekly blood tests initially to check levels. All included in price.

Cost is circa £100/month which I consider worth it if it all works. Now waiting on a new fingerprick test as PSA levels were a bit elevated and they want to ensure that was a one off.

Will report back in on progress. Certainly Voy/Manual gets two thumbs up from me.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"I am just starting this process with Manual (now called Voy). Found my symptoms absolutely chimed with low testosterone - for last 6 months I’ve been feeling like I’ve fallen off a cliff energy wise etc.

So far had finger prick and full bloods done and an online consultation. Did speak to GP and was told TRT was no longer offered to new beginners in my postcode. Having checked them out, Voy/Manual are not some backstreet clinic but very professional etc and I’ve made sure they’ve copied my gp in on everything.

The consultation was interesting: basically after full review of symptoms, lifestyle and pros & cons, was recommended tie options: a 2/3 times per week self administered injection (small, frequent doses to avoid peaks & troughs). Downside is you lose fertility (not an issue for me) and your balls shrink as “the body thinks you don’t need to produce any more as you’ve got enough testosterone in your system”. The alternative is a pill which works by telling your body to increase production so maintains size of balls.

I’ll be going with the pill to begin with as I really don’t want to be sticking myself with a needle that often but will change if required. Will need to give blood to avoid blood thickening and 6 weekly blood tests initially to check levels. All included in price.

Cost is circa £100/month which I consider worth it if it all works. Now waiting on a new fingerprick test as PSA levels were a bit elevated and they want to ensure that was a one off.

Will report back in on progress. Certainly Voy/Manual gets two thumbs up from me.

"

I am pleased you are being seen and on TRT

I find it strange that you can have full bloods diagnosed by a fingerprick blood test, when I have to give 3 Full vales/small bottles of blood to have all checks carried out.

If they can do this from one fingerprick, then why do hospitals and doctors surgeries require 3 Full Vales of blood?

If you take a pill? To increase body production? Why wouldn't you take the pill alone to increase production and prevent need for TRT.

Surely you're body's pituitary gland already senses extra testosterone ?

Does this pill tell your FSH to increase sperms production when your pituitary gland already recognises enough testosterone?

Does this pill tell your LH to stimulate and produce more testosterone?

.

If you're testicles continue to produce testosterone? And you already receive "good manufactured testosterone" will your body accept your faulty testosterone from testicles which doesn't break down into biodegradable and free testosterone or will your body go for the "good" manufactured testosterone that does break down?

I hope you asked these questions to the clinic, and would love to understand how your pituitary gland recognises good and bad testosterone

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *r WalnutMan
23 weeks ago

Chelmsford

Interesting thread

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *issyZoeyTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Bolton

Fingerpick blood samples are notoriously unreliable

You need a veinous sample to be accurate. I.e normal blood test from the elbow. Ideally carried out first thing in the morning when your natural testosterone level is highest

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *issyZoeyTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Bolton

[Removed by poster at 08/01/26 11:46:26]

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *issyZoeyTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Bolton


"I am just starting this process with Manual (now called Voy). Found my symptoms absolutely chimed with low testosterone - for last 6 months I’ve been feeling like I’ve fallen off a cliff energy wise etc.

So far had finger prick and full bloods done and an online consultation. Did speak to GP and was told TRT was no longer offered to new beginners in my postcode. Having checked them out, Voy/Manual are not some backstreet clinic but very professional etc and I’ve made sure they’ve copied my gp in on everything.

The consultation was interesting: basically after full review of symptoms, lifestyle and pros & cons, was recommended tie options: a 2/3 times per week self administered injection (small, frequent doses to avoid peaks & troughs). Downside is you lose fertility (not an issue for me) and your balls shrink as “the body thinks you don’t need to produce any more as you’ve got enough testosterone in your system”. The alternative is a pill which works by telling your body to increase production so maintains size of balls.

I’ll be going with the pill to begin with as I really don’t want to be sticking myself with a needle that often but will change if required. Will need to give blood to avoid blood thickening and 6 weekly blood tests initially to check levels. All included in price.

Cost is circa £100/month which I consider worth it if it all works. Now waiting on a new fingerprick test as PSA levels were a bit elevated and they want to ensure that was a one off.

Will report back in on progress. Certainly Voy/Manual gets two thumbs up from me.

I am pleased you are being seen and on TRT

I find it strange that you can have full bloods diagnosed by a fingerprick blood test, when I have to give 3 Full vales/small bottles of blood to have all checks carried out.

If they can do this from one fingerprick, then why do hospitals and doctors surgeries require 3 Full Vales of blood?

If you take a pill? To increase body production? Why wouldn't you take the pill alone to increase production and prevent need for TRT.

Surely you're body's pituitary gland already senses extra testosterone ?

Does this pill tell your FSH to increase sperms production when your pituitary gland already recognises enough testosterone?

Does this pill tell your LH to stimulate and produce more testosterone?

.

If you're testicles continue to produce testosterone? And you already receive "good manufactured testosterone" will your body accept your faulty testosterone from testicles which doesn't break down into biodegradable and free testosterone or will your body go for the "good" manufactured testosterone that does break down?

I hope you asked these questions to the clinic, and would love to understand how your pituitary gland recognises good and bad testosterone "

I suspect the pill mentioned here is clomid which is used to maintain testes size and possibly sperm count

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *issyZoeyTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Bolton

But clomid messes about with oestrogen levels which kind of goes against the testosterone therapy. So many doctors won’t even entertain the idea. Clomid is not something I have used myself

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *angerine DreamsCouple
23 weeks ago

Exeter

Thanks for your comment. I obviously wasn’t clear - yes, I did have a full veinous sample taken to confirm the initial fingerprick test. They just want a confirmation fingerprick to check PSA levels: if still elevated then they’ll do another veinous check so we shall see.

Yes, I think it’s Clomid. The way it was described was that it encourages the body’s production of testosterone but does have the side-effects as you said of increased oestrogen. It will be a case of seeing how I get on and take things from there.

Thanks to everyone for helpful info and comments

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
23 weeks ago

Kinross


"Thanks for your comment. I obviously wasn’t clear - yes, I did have a full veinous sample taken to confirm the initial fingerprick test. They just want a confirmation fingerprick to check PSA levels: if still elevated then they’ll do another veinous check so we shall see.

Yes, I think it’s Clomid. The way it was described was that it encourages the body’s production of testosterone but does have the side-effects as you said of increased oestrogen. It will be a case of seeing how I get on and take things from there.

Thanks to everyone for helpful info and comments"

Just one thing regarding PSA..

When I first started, my normal psa of 2... rose upto 3.6 and it wasn't until my 3rd blood test that it dropped back down to a steady 2

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
22 weeks ago

Kinross


"Interesting thread"

It helps those considering starting Testosterone replacement (TRT)

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *lfa RomeoMan
22 weeks ago

southeast , Herts, Beds

Following

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ove2pleaseseukMan
22 weeks ago

Hastings

Book mark

Need to find the time and book consultation.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
21 weeks ago

Kinross


"Book mark

Need to find the time and book consultation. "

And have you???

.

Booked consultation??

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *un loving couple 1971Couple
21 weeks ago

doncaster

Had my jab today

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ove2pleaseseukMan
21 weeks ago

Hastings


"Book mark

Need to find the time and book consultation.

And have you???

.

Booked consultation??"

No it's like work work work at the moment

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ecky and justCouple
21 weeks ago

Godalming


"Had my jab today"

How do you feel.?

Interested to know about the peaks and troughs.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
21 weeks ago

Kinross


"Had my jab today

How do you feel.?

Interested to know about the peaks and troughs. "

I have No Peaks and Troughs, careful initial monitoring and adjustments to dosage until correct, ensures a "constant" total testosterone level of 26nmol/L which is stable and has sat at 26 nmol/L + - 2nmol/L for past 4 years, free and bio testosterone are also within satisfactory limits to ensure good bone density

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inky1yorksMan
21 weeks ago

kinks ville

I am taking a natural testosterone booster. Not a replacement but just a natural remedy that helps boost the testosterone function in my body.

I became very frustrated due to the way I was feeling (all of the symptoms in the 1st OP) and had felt this way for many years with it increasing with time. I’d been to the GP on several occasions and had test upon test done not just testosterone which was bang in the middle of NHS guidelines.

But after speaking to different medical people and looking at internet research, it may be the case I had a naturally very high testosterone level to start with maybe in the region of 60+ (it does happen) so when mine dropped to 1/2 of that level and further I started to feel the way I did.

I have been on these supplements now for over a month and I have to say my energy levels are up. The brain fog is disappearing. I am becoming much more excited to be doing things rather than just lounging. And a huge thing for me is my body temp is regulating its self properly again. No night sweats and now waking up over heating or massively over heating when exercising.

I have even bought a new pair of running shoes and did my first 5k in 2 years (no stopping, not the sweaty and no overheating) still having loads of energy left at the end.

Natural boosting supplements may be the way forward for some others too 👍

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
20 weeks ago

Kinross


"I am taking a natural testosterone booster. Not a replacement but just a natural remedy that helps boost the testosterone function in my body.

I became very frustrated due to the way I was feeling (all of the symptoms in the 1st OP) and had felt this way for many years with it increasing with time. I’d been to the GP on several occasions and had test upon test done not just testosterone which was bang in the middle of NHS guidelines.

But after speaking to different medical people and looking at internet research, it may be the case I had a naturally very high testosterone level to start with maybe in the region of 60+ (it does happen) so when mine dropped to 1/2 of that level and further I started to feel the way I did.

I have been on these supplements now for over a month and I have to say my energy levels are up. The brain fog is disappearing. I am becoming much more excited to be doing things rather than just lounging. And a huge thing for me is my body temp is regulating its self properly again. No night sweats and now waking up over heating or massively over heating when exercising.

I have even bought a new pair of running shoes and did my first 5k in 2 years (no stopping, not the sweaty and no overheating) still having loads of energy left at the end.

Natural boosting supplements may be the way forward for some others too 👍"

You stated above: - it may be the case I had a naturally very high testosterone level to start with maybe in the region of 60+ (it does happen) so when mine dropped to 1/2 of that level and further I started to feel the way I did.

If you were 60+ nmol/L and your testosterone dropped to half of that, you are still well over the "high" level.

If this is the case, I suggest you urgently get a PSA test

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inky1yorksMan
20 weeks ago

kinks ville


"I am taking a natural testosterone booster. Not a replacement but just a natural remedy that helps boost the testosterone function in my body.

I became very frustrated due to the way I was feeling (all of the symptoms in the 1st OP) and had felt this way for many years with it increasing with time. I’d been to the GP on several occasions and had test upon test done not just testosterone which was bang in the middle of NHS guidelines.

But after speaking to different medical people and looking at internet research, it may be the case I had a naturally very high testosterone level to start with maybe in the region of 60+ (it does happen) so when mine dropped to 1/2 of that level and further I started to feel the way I did.

I have been on these supplements now for over a month and I have to say my energy levels are up. The brain fog is disappearing. I am becoming much more excited to be doing things rather than just lounging. And a huge thing for me is my body temp is regulating its self properly again. No night sweats and now waking up over heating or massively over heating when exercising.

I have even bought a new pair of running shoes and did my first 5k in 2 years (no stopping, not the sweaty and no overheating) still having loads of energy left at the end.

Natural boosting supplements may be the way forward for some others too 👍

You stated above: - it may be the case I had a naturally very high testosterone level to start with maybe in the region of 60+ (it does happen) so when mine dropped to 1/2 of that level and further I started to feel the way I did.

If you were 60+ nmol/L and your testosterone dropped to half of that, you are still well over the "high" level.

If this is the case, I suggest you urgently get a PSA test

"

Already had it done. Thanks.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *alkingbootsMan
20 weeks ago

cavan


"I am taking a natural testosterone booster. Not a replacement but just a natural remedy that helps boost the testosterone function in my body.

I became very frustrated due to the way I was feeling (all of the symptoms in the 1st OP) and had felt this way for many years with it increasing with time. I’d been to the GP on several occasions and had test upon test done not just testosterone which was bang in the middle of NHS guidelines.

But after speaking to different medical people and looking at internet research, it may be the case I had a naturally very high testosterone level to start with maybe in the region of 60+ (it does happen) so when mine dropped to 1/2 of that level and further I started to feel the way I did.

I have been on these supplements now for over a month and I have to say my energy levels are up. The brain fog is disappearing. I am becoming much more excited to be doing things rather than just lounging. And a huge thing for me is my body temp is regulating its self properly again. No night sweats and now waking up over heating or massively over heating when exercising.

I have even bought a new pair of running shoes and did my first 5k in 2 years (no stopping, not the sweaty and no overheating) still having loads of energy left at the end.

Natural boosting supplements may be the way forward for some others too 👍"
can I ask you what the name of the natural supplement is.

Thank you

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *inky1yorksMan
19 weeks ago

kinks ville

Bulk pro

Dominate.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *ayKellyMan
8 weeks ago

Kinross


"Bulk pro

Dominate. "

Most over-the-counter testosterone booster supplements do not work as advertised and lack solid scientific evidence to prove they increase testosterone levels. While some ingredients like Ashwagandha or Fenugreek may offer minor, indirect benefits for, say, stress or sexual function, they rarely lead to significant, long-term increases in hormone levels

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
8 weeks ago

Newcastle

I work in this sector so if I can help anyone, feel free to drop me a message here or via DM.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
8 weeks ago


"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private "

Men don't have it that easy, I went private. But women should get tests before given HRT medication. Got to determine lots of factors. My blood test has 36 different results for my TRT

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
8 weeks ago


"But clomid messes about with oestrogen levels which kind of goes against the testosterone therapy. So many doctors won’t even entertain the idea. Clomid is not something I have used myself"

Clomid Wass prescribed recently when HCG had a shortage. It's for keeping male fertility going. It was an oral version I had, felt awful on it. Back on HCG to go with my Testosterone now. Feels great

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *hamallamadingdongMan
8 weeks ago

London

Is there a particular age range for when we should be getting tested?

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By (user no longer on site)
8 weeks ago


"Is there a particular age range for when we should be getting tested?"

No there is not. It's about symptoms. People in their 20s have been known to suffer issues. But in general it seems to be older men like me. I probably got symptoms 6 yrs ago and only did something about it 2yrs ago.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *rightonsteveMan
8 weeks ago

Hove, mainly…


"Is there a particular age range for when we should be getting tested?"

Yeah, I think the peak time is 34.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *eroLondonMan
8 weeks ago

Mayfair


"I work in this sector so if I can help anyone, feel free to drop me a message here or via DM."

•

🩶

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *amantha_JadeWoman
8 weeks ago

Newcastle


"Is there a particular age range for when we should be getting tested?"

I would say from age 30+, but it’s advisable to do a test regardless of age if you’re noticing any unwanted symptoms. You can ask for a testosterone blood test from your GP (not all will be willing), or can start with an inexpensive finger prick test from any private TRT clinic 😊

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 

By *hamallamadingdongMan
8 weeks ago

London


"Is there a particular age range for when we should be getting tested?

I would say from age 30+, but it’s advisable to do a test regardless of age if you’re noticing any unwanted symptoms. You can ask for a testosterone blood test from your GP (not all will be willing), or can start with an inexpensive finger prick test from any private TRT clinic 😊 "

Cheers 👍🏾☺️

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
 
 

By *rightonsteveMan
8 weeks ago

Hove, mainly…

Interesting thread.

 (closed, thread got too big)

Reply privately
back to top