FabSwingers.com forum: Thatcher and the Falklands

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

New papers released today showing she told Argentina to get their arses off the island. She threatened France for supplying missiles to Peru that then went to Argentina. She also told Reagan. that his pleas for more talks were falling on deaf ears, and we were going to reclaim our sovereign lands.

Can you imagine the current crop of politicians having the balls to do that?

Simon Weston was on the news as well. He said although the troops did not necessarily like her or her politics, they did admire her decisiveness

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By *U1966Man
over a year ago

Devon

One thing she did right against all she did wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

she stopped my milk when i was at school

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"she stopped my milk when i was at school"

funny, we are the same age and I got free milk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i seem to remember ours stopped then after a while it started up again ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The old bitch introduced privatisation, which then meant that people had to pay market prices and inflated prices for basic needs such as Telephone, electricity Gas, Water etc under the guise that competition provided choice, what it did in fact provide was a method of allowing more directors to obtain greater bonus and incentives. She then sold off council house stock which now means that people with poor incomes cannot no longer afford houses.. yes I am so pleased she has gone and wish she went into cleaning instead of politics..BITCH....rant over u can see im not a fan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"she stopped my milk when i was at school"

Your milk? Had you paid for it?....that's theft.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She's the greatest politician ever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New papers released today showing she told Argentina to get their arses off the island. She threatened France for supplying missiles to Peru that then went to Argentina. She also told Reagan. that his pleas for more talks were falling on deaf ears, and we were going to reclaim our sovereign lands.

Can you imagine the current crop of politicians having the balls to do that?

Simon Weston was on the news as well. He said although the troops did not necessarily like her or her politics, they did admire her decisiveness"

I was in the Forces at the time and well remember our CO giving us a briefing about what was happening, and he made, in all seriousness, the comment "That woman's got big balls to play us against the Argies."

Never was a truer comment made at the time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She's the greatest politician ever. "

I think that the miners may disagree with you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"i seem to remember ours stopped then after a while it started up again ?"

So your milk was not stopped then! Its a socialist red herring. If it was so detrimental to the kids of the time, there would be millions of 40something walking bow legged with Ricketts...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

have to remember she gave the order to send in the SAS at the iranian embassy.

no one had seen the SAS in public or in action on time and it sent shockwaves around the world.

it showed britain had the very best when it came to dealing with terrorist on home soil and because of that no one has dared to do such an act again.

i didnt like her. but when it came it decision that had to be made she didnt fuck about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i seem to remember ours stopped then after a while it started up again ?

So your milk was not stopped then! Its a socialist red herring. If it was so detrimental to the kids of the time, there would be millions of 40something walking bow legged with Ricketts... "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Deferences of oppinion are part of what makes the world go round. I wonder if the same miners are still happy to be paying for Arthur Scargills London home after all this time.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Deferences of oppinion are part of what makes the world go round. I wonder if the same miners are still happy to be paying for Arthur Scargills London home after all this time. "

*Differences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes she did introduce privatisation one example bt there was a waiting list to get a phone back then now with 100,000 less workers for the tax payer to fund its a lot better service.

And yes she had some bollocks to kick the argies out

good old maggie

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"have to remember she gave the order to send in the SAS at the iranian embassy.

no one had seen the SAS in public or in action on time and it sent shockwaves around the world.

it showed britain had the very best when it came to dealing with terrorist on home soil and because of that no one has dared to do such an act again.

i didnt like her. but when it came it decision that had to be made she didnt fuck about.

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She only ordered them to go in, The SAS have been around since WW2 undertaking many a fine role, what she did and for her own kudos because her popularity was waining. The SAS didnt ask or want the recognition, it was better for them to remain unknown, once their activities became high lighted it placed lives at risk in places like Northern Ireland as the press then wanted to report every placethey were operating, so no she was a selfish bitch only interested in her aims of becoming the first female Primeminister.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having served in the south Atlantic conflict all I can say is the woman is a godess! As for the miners coming from a steel town ( port talbot ) where hundreds of steel workers lost they're jobs in the 70s ( mos of my family included ) when the miners refused to help and support them all I can say is good for you Maggie for having the balls to get rid of that drain in our economy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes she did introduce privatisation one example bt there was a waiting list to get a phone back then now with 100,000 less workers for the tax payer to fund its a lot better service.

And yes she had some bollocks to kick the argies out

good old maggie"
Sorry you are misguidedI work for BT, the funding for the expanding network was already in place, the new electronic exchanges which allowed greater capacity and more connections was already being installed, she just popped up at an opportune moment and announced it was on the back of privateisation,

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Deferences of oppinion are part of what makes the world go round. I wonder if the same miners are still happy to be paying for Arthur Scargills London home after all this time. "

I would challenge anyone who talks about what Maggie did to the unions and the miners to watch Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain about the 70's. The miners greed under corrupt unions meant they held this country to ransom... I well remember the power cuts and sitting in candle light because of them.

To think Scargill was getting £34k per year for his rent up till recently.... how many union dues did that equate to? What an icon of the working man he is!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No i am not midguided they are facts more than 100,000 less to pay for they would still be there if not private. Engineers got there jobs in the morning done for 10 am then home for a sleep i was one of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I read somewhere years ago that she ignored several warnings over the Argentinian invasion of the Falklands. The gist of the article was that she used the conflict as a tool for re election, when previously she'd been very low on the opinion polls. True or not i can't say but i wouldn't put it past her to send men to their deaths to save her own hide.

As to the comments about best politician ever, most decisive perhaps, but her decisions all made the rich richer and the poor poorer. Would we have such a north/south divide without her influence?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I come from what must be the apitomy of a mining village , Maltby Rotherham. Sadly like some other union members the minors were used by the likes of Scargill as pawns for their own means. Good old Scargill still has a house in London paid for by the NUM, not very socialist really. NUM taking him to court to end this unwritten agreement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, an extra few hundred paras or marines and the Falklands war wouldn't have happened , they new the argies were gearing up to invade and they did nothing till it was too late , end result more graves filled with our brave service men and a bill to the tax man for billions for lost equipment and a permanent base at the islands.

She will be remembered more in my book for destroying the miners and selling off the silver!

I've been there most islanders want us to leave and let's face it how would we feel if the argies took over Anglesey !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No i am not midguided they are facts more than 100,000 less to pay for they would still be there if not private. Engineers got there jobs in the morning done for 10 am then home for a sleep i was one of them"

So was my dad. I remember him filling out the time sheets for what he had done. He always said it was ridiculous that you could claim an hour for a ten minute job. I also remember him shitting himself that he would lose his house because of the unions calling for strikes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is no doubt that the unions of the time did need to be sorted, the likes of red Robbo at Leyland, and Scargill for the miners was everything that was bad about the unions of the time.

But you now have to remember how bad it can be if we adopt true tory methods of employment such as the things they want to introduce if they get in again.

They want to allow companies to hire and fire at will, they want to reduce the powers of Employment tribunals, if we do not have safegaurds you could be sacked without any redress, how will people pay their mortgages once this happens, is this really what people want?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The old bitch introduced privatisation, which then meant that people had to pay market prices and inflated prices for basic needs such as Telephone, electricity Gas, Water etc under the guise that competition provided choice, what it did in fact provide was a method of allowing more directors to obtain greater bonus and incentives. She then sold off council house stock which now means that people with poor incomes cannot no longer afford houses.. yes I am so pleased she has gone and wish she went into cleaning instead of politics..BITCH....rant over u can see im not a fan"

Could not have written this better myself!! But you forgot to mention...the BITCH chose to ignore intelligence reports regarding the Argentine intent!

And then pretended to be surprised! Oh and withdrew our long standing Nuclear Sub from the area prior to the invasion...In my opinion she engineered the whole sorry story. Relying on our Armed forces to save her political ass!

She destroyed and divided our country like no other. BITCH BITCH BITCH

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you can buy coal from abroad cheaper then maggie was right not to heavily subsidize the miners. I trust all the miners supporters have got old bush tv and not samsungs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having served in the south Atlantic conflict all I can say is the woman is a godess! As for the miners coming from a steel town ( port talbot ) where hundreds of steel workers lost they're jobs in the 70s ( mos of my family included ) when the miners refused to help and support them all I can say is good for you Maggie for having the balls to get rid of that drain in our economy "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well you should of been sacked for that, I never had the chance for that, I can hold my head high knowing that I always put in a hard days work, perhaps its the way you are if you went to bed then you probably would do the same now, not a good CV for you is it??

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

totally off subject, you have a lovely butt!

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By *kmale421Man
over a year ago

wirral

Can you imagine the current crop of politicians having the balls to do that?

Simon Weston was on the news as well. He said although the troops did not necessarily like her or her politics, they did admire her decisiveness"

Dealing with the Falklands specifically, rather than turning this into a general Thatcher debate.

While I agree that once the invasion had taken place, Thatcher did handle the situation very well, but there are things that should be remembered:

1) Her policy of defence cuts at the time helped cause The war, specifically Lord Carrington, John Nott and Thatcher had agreed to withdraw The Endeavor which was a token Navy ship, but gave UK an active presence around The Falklands. This gave the Argentine Junta all the ammunition they needed to believe that they could invade and take over the Falklands, live with what little fuss that caused and they would regain The Malvinas.

2) All the available intelligence of the the time was ignored until it was too late, leading directly to Carrington's immediate resignation

3) Thatcher was now a rat trapped in a corner, unpopular at home for policies that many in her own party deemed to be failing, the first PM in God knows how long to have actually lost a piece of sovereign real estate without agreement. She had 2 choices resign and the Tories would have almost certainly have lost the Election which would have followed because of the circumstances, or stand and fight and put British lives at risk to win back The Falklands to get her out of the self created mess. She decided to fight for her own career which was totally linked to winning back The Falklands and at that time The Thatcher Determination and refusal to listen to others helped us win back The Falklands.

4) She got very lucky, she may well have threatened Reagan and France and whoever else, but her luck held in that the numerous Navy ships that were successfully bombed by the Argies, but not blown up because the bombs were either dropped from the wrong height or fused incorrectly, meant that she could continue to press forward with the War effort. I well remember the night it was announced on TV that HMS Sheffield had been hit, later sunk, just how shocking that was, and in the days that folloed Coventry and Antelope both being hit and sunk. What we didn't know is that I think all but 3 navy ships were successfully bombed but fortuntely most didn't go off. If they had, we'd have lost the war and Thatcher would be known as the lady whom took us to war and lost. Instead her luck held out at the cost of more than 300 British lives, the victory had a side benefit of enhancing Britains reputation at the time, and strengthened Thatcher against a weak Labour opposition to have an easy Election victory a year later, after which she was able to have free reign and cause the damage to Britain that she did, the legacy of which were things like the Banking crisis, mass unemploment and devastation of many communities and cities especially in Northern England and Scotland, some of whom still suffer today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs Thatcher will be recorded in the history books as a Prime Minister that truly changed a country. Many Prime Ministers before and since, simply held office, but she forcefully removed complacency, ineffeciency and waste and drove UK PLC into the modern world.

Did she do everything right? Of course not - no-one can always do everything right but in footballing terminology she was a real game changer the like of which have not been seen since.

Anyone who can actually remember the shambles of nationalised industries corrupted by Union power, has to accept that what she did was in the best interests of UK PLC. Most anti Thatcher sentiment eminates from people too young to actually know how Britain was pre Thatcher and/or who simply have an extreme socialist agenda and can't accept that competition is impoprtant for any society to thrive.

In my personal opinion her biggest failure was not selling the Community Charge (Poll Tax) to the population at large and allowing rioting activists to steal the show.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no doubt that the unions of the time did need to be sorted, the likes of red Robbo at Leyland, and Scargill for the miners was everything that was bad about the unions of the time.

But you now have to remember how bad it can be if we adopt true tory methods of employment such as the things they want to introduce if they get in again.

I agree with some things you say but there has to be a happy medium. I work for a company with 800 employees spread over 12 sites. We have cases at 10 out of the 12 where we cannot remove people from the business who are playing the system, we cannot even recruit to replace them and as a result they are keeping people who want to work out of work. These people have been given every chance to sucseed but have chosen this path.

I also see the need to protect the vulnerable which is something we are proactive at too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im in bed now retired early retirment cant beat it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no doubt that the unions of the time did need to be sorted, the likes of red Robbo at Leyland, and Scargill for the miners was everything that was bad about the unions of the time.

But you now have to remember how bad it can be if we adopt true tory methods of employment such as the things they want to introduce if they get in again.

I also see the need to protect the vulnerable which is something we are proactive at too. "

And if you follow corrct performance management you can dismiss people as long as you have evidence to support this, prob is its time consuming but a safegaurd from ruthless employers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im in bed now retired early retirment cant beat it"

LOL great quote cant beat that well done wish it were me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you imagine the current crop of politicians having the balls to do that?

Simon Weston was on the news as well. He said although the troops did not necessarily like her or her politics, they did admire her decisiveness

Dealing with the Falklands specifically, rather than turning this into a general Thatcher debate.

While I agree that once the invasion had taken place, Thatcher did handle the situation very well, but there are things that should be remembered:

2) All the available intelligence of the the time was ignored until it was too late, leading directly to Carrington's immediate resignation

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

"I come from what must be the apitomy of a mining village , Maltby Rotherham. Sadly like some other union members the minors were used by the likes of Scargill as pawns for their own means. Good old Scargill still has a house in London paid for by the NUM, not very socialist really. NUM taking him to court to end this unwritten agreement. "

arthur (old king coal)scargill,yet another champagne socialist!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So I think we're all in agreement the Maggie was awesome

What a great thread.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Radio 4 has a programme on now covering this and the other things revealed under the 30 year rule.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

be interesting to see when the secret files on blair come out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So I think we're all in agreement the Maggie was awesome

What a great thread. "
personally i and many of my fellow scots are only looking forward to the day off work that her state funeral(why?)grants us.only thing she has ever given us

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By *hynottsCouple
over a year ago

nottingham

OP starts off about the Falklands as an exserving RNO how can a post about the Falklands tune into chat about milk and minors and Scargill who has used the NUM to pay all his bills bet he gets more now than what i do for my stint in the falklands and the RN my Service Pension and war disablement pension shud be enuf to live on far from it i still have to work

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By *illycarrolCouple
over a year ago

n/cle on tyne

Can you imagine the current crop of politicians having the balls to do that?

Simon Weston was on the news as well. He said although the troops did not necessarily like her or her politics, they did admire her decisiveness

Dealing with the Falklands specifically, rather than turning this into a general Thatcher debate.

While I agree that once the invasion had taken place, Thatcher did handle the situation very well, but there are things that should be remembered:

2) All the available intelligence of the the time was ignored until it was too late, leading directly to Carrington's immediate resignation

bang on look behind the politics they only do whats good for them al dance the day the bitch dies

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"be interesting to see when the secret files on blair come out."

without doubt the worst lying piece of scum ever lead this country! The good thing is he was quite young when in power, so all his lies and deceit will come out in his lifetime and he will still be of a reasonable age to be accountable. I am glad Catholics believe in Hell, because that's where he will spend a long time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"she stopped my milk when i was at school"

At that turned you into an axe wielding monster with a grudge against the entire world did it?

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By *illycarrolCouple
over a year ago

n/cle on tyne

"be interesting to see when the secret files on blair come out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"have to remember she gave the order to send in the SAS at the iranian embassy.

no one had seen the SAS in public or in action on time and it sent shockwaves around the world.

it showed britain had the very best when it came to dealing with terrorist on home soil and because of that no one has dared to do such an act again.

i didnt like her. but when it came it decision that had to be made she didnt fuck about.

She only ordered them to go in, The SAS have been around since WW2 undertaking many a fine role, what she did and for her own kudos because her popularity was waining. The SAS didnt ask or want the recognition, it was better for them to remain unknown, once their activities became high lighted it placed lives at risk in places like Northern Ireland as the press then wanted to report every placethey were operating, so no she was a selfish bitch only interested in her aims of becoming the first female Primeminister."

Ok then, name ONE active SAS member currently out there operating? Just one please. You're talking complete tosh to justify your views on Mrs Thatcher.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"be interesting to see when the secret files on blair come out.

The most anti-Socialist socialist I've ever seen. He seems to have completely abandonded the oh so high principles he held whilst in office for the lure of megas-millions in private life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Mrs Thatcher will be recorded in the history books as a Prime Minister that truly changed a country. Many Prime Ministers before and since, simply held office, but she forcefully removed complacency, ineffeciency and waste and drove UK PLC into the modern world.

Did she do everything right? Of course not - no-one can always do everything right but in footballing terminology she was a real game changer the like of which have not been seen since.

In my personal opinion her biggest failure was not selling the Community Charge (Poll Tax) to the population at large and allowing rioting activists to steal the show."

Spot on. Great post.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"be interesting to see when the secret files on blair come out.

The most anti-Socialist socialist I've ever seen. He seems to have completely abandonded the oh so high principles he held whilst in office for the lure of megas-millions in private life."
Very true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

up untill 1978 Endeavor was used as a supply ship to the Royal Enginers detachment that had been theres since 1940

only in 1978 the then labour goverment decided to cut cost and remove this detachment as it was decided by the then labour goverment that no one in the right minds would invade the falklands as its just a worthless peatbog

thats what started it and thatcher ended it

i was there in 1982 and was there again in 1983 helping to clear up the mess the argies left by placing landmines all over the islands and not leaving any form of maps so they could be found and destroyed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP starts off about the Falklands as an exserving RNO how can a post about the Falklands tune into chat about milk and minors and Scargill who has used the NUM to pay all his bills bet he gets more now than what i do for my stint in the falklands and the RN my Service Pension and war disablement pension shud be enuf to live on far from it i still have to work

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very true served for 22 years was in Falklands conflict and many stints in Northen Ireland and now get high tax on my pension as its classed as a second income

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"1) Her policy of defence cuts at the time helped cause The war, specifically Lord Carrington, John Nott and Thatcher had agreed to withdraw The Endeavor which was a token Navy ship, but gave UK an active presence around The Falklands. This gave the Argentine Junta all the ammunition they needed to believe that they could invade and take over the Falklands, live with what little fuss that caused and they would regain The Malvinas.

up untill 1978 Endeavor was used as a supply ship to the Royal Enginers detachment that had been theres since 1940

thats what started it and thatcher ended it

i was there in 1982 and was there again in 1983 helping to clear up the mess the argies left by placing landmines all over the islands and not leaving any form of maps so they could

be found and destroyed "
did my last stint there in 96 still full of mines!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

R4 is now featuring Thatcher and her relationship with Savile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes she did introduce privatisation one example bt there was a waiting list to get a phone back then now with 100,000 less workers for the tax payer to fund its a lot better service.

And yes she had some bollocks to kick the argies out

good old maggie Sorry you are misguidedI work for BT, the funding for the expanding network was already in place, the new electronic exchanges which allowed greater capacity and more connections was already being installed, she just popped up at an opportune moment and announced it was on the back of privateisation, "

BT as a nationalised company was a god awful bottomless pit of cash where nobody knew who was in charge or what their job was supposed to be. I've been in telecoms all my working life (up until recently) and I can tell you now that the biggest 'industry' within BT was whose turn it was to make the tea whilst the poker school was being set up in a little used office somewhere deep in the heart of each exchange. People turned up for 'work' but little 'work' was actually done until knocking off time at 3-4-5-whatever-pm the 'workers' decided was knocking off time. Where a clocking in/out system was still in use it wasn't unknown for one man of an 8 man team to punch out all the other 7 men's cards one week, then another man would do it the following week etc etc. This practice allowed each man to go home early and still get a full day's pay for it.

I came into telecoms not long after BT was privatised in 1984 but the men who had been there for many years found it difficult to adapt the this new fangled system of actually working 8 hours a day for the 8 hours pay they were getting. Several needed counselling I think.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Yes she did introduce privatisation one example bt there was a waiting list to get a phone back then now with 100,000 less workers for the tax payer to fund its a lot better service.

And yes she had some bollocks to kick the argies out

You must have read that from the sun or somewhere similar I have never read so much bollocks

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"be interesting to see when the secret files on blair come out.

He will have good company with the she devil then as she will be there first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yes she did introduce privatisation one example bt there was a waiting list to get a phone back then now with 100,000 less workers for the tax payer to fund its a lot better service.

And yes she had some bollocks to kick the argies out

You must have read that from the sun or somewhere similar I have never read so much bollocks"

I worked for BT. I KNOW it to be so.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The damage Thatcher did was nothing compared to that of our prudent chancellor...

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By *kmale421Man
over a year ago

wirral

up untill 1978 Endeavor was used as a supply ship to the Royal Enginers detachment that had been theres since 1940

thats what started it and thatcher ended it

Thatcher though was in power from May 1979. she made many decisions that changed events and changed Labours policies. The decision to withdraw that ship was most definately Thatcher's government, even if it was simply to ratify the previous administrations decision.

It would only hold credence as being a Labour decsion if the invasion had occurred within lets say 12 months of Thatcher coming to power, but 3 years later, and combined with the defence cuts she was planning including massive cutbacks in the Navy, nope the responsibility lies at her door as does the decisions she took to save her own skin.

For the record, I don't have any issue with Thatcher sending our armed services to War to regain Islands that belonged to UK and had been taken by force, but that doesn't change my opinion as to whom was in part responsible for the war, and the political decisions she took to save herself and her party after the Argies invaded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"have to remember she gave the order to send in the SAS at the iranian embassy.

no one had seen the SAS in public or in action on time and it sent shockwaves around the world.

it showed britain had the very best when it came to dealing with terrorist on home soil and because of that no one has dared to do such an act again.

i didnt like her. but when it came it decision that had to be made she didnt fuck about.

Ok then, name ONE active SAS member currently out there operating? Just one please. You're talking complete tosh to justify your views on Mrs Thatcher."

Did I say she named them individually,lol, If you read properly I said by bringing their presence to the attention of the world she put lives at risk just because of the work they undertake, It appears from your views that you want to get into bed with her, as she is so unfeeling perhaps the 2 of you will be an ideal match lol

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Yes she did introduce privatisation one example bt there was a waiting list to get a phone back then now with 100,000 less workers for the tax payer to fund its a lot better service.

And yes she had some bollocks to kick the argies out

You must have read that from the sun or somewhere similar I have never read so much bollocks

I worked for BT. I KNOW it to be so."

You said you came in after it was privatised.

I also worked in a shipyard after it was privatised and they ran it down management stopped us from working for weeks at a time to alter plans and other lame excuses the truth was they wanted it to look so unprofitable that they had no option to shut it down (miles of prime waterfront land was worth millions to them) and by some strange reasoning the taxpayer paid the wages for 2 years after privatisation it just so happens it was Trafalgar house the darling of the Tories who were given it as a present such blatant corruption.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

One of the interesting quotes on the R4 programme was to the effect of "we had to put up a pretence of negotiating".

It's always interesting when the archives are opened up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did she do everything right? Of course not - no-one can always do everything right but in footballing terminology she was a real game changer the like of which have not been seen since.

In my personal opinion her biggest failure was not selling the Community Charge (Poll Tax) to the population at large and allowing rioting activists to steal the show.

Spot on. Great post.

Fantastic post.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

Labour spend spend spend. The Tories then come in and tax tax tax to repair the damage caused by labour.... I love it when labour and their supporters say 13 years later "It's the tories fault." But then spend all the money the tories left, sell gold at it's lowest price, etc etc.... If Maggie had resigned a labour gov would have given the Falklands away and given the Argies a shit load of money and given them all benifits aswell... Maggie was far from perfect but the best sinse Churchill!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Her legacy seems to be that 30 years later she is still front page news and widely discussed.

I have no love for Thatcher but I do have respect for the fact that her personality was so strong she is still discussed as a leader.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Yes she did introduce privatisation one example bt there was a waiting list to get a phone back then now with 100,000 less workers for the tax payer to fund its a lot better service.

And yes she had some bollocks to kick the argies out

You must have read that from the sun or somewhere similar I have never read so much bollocks

I worked for BT. I KNOW it to be so.

You said you came in after it was privatised.

I did come in afterwards but strangely when BT was privatised the govt didn't push all the workers out on their arses and start up a brand new spickety span company with a completely new workforce on the Monday morning after privatisation. The newly private company still had hundreds of thousands of workers who were used to the old way - I heard it all the time from old hands who grumbled about being asked to work all day by a relatively young NEW manager who would not allow them to sit on their arses doing nothing. Doing nothing suddenly became unemployable.

Whether the guys took the piss by design or by very bad management can only be guessed at (but you have to remember that that was the legacy of a system where promotion was always from within and a manager one week was a worker with many friends and a social life the previous week and didn't want to lose them)

That's how it was, and not just in BT either. Thatcher knew that the role of the government as the nation's main employer was inherently wrong and she also knew that by privatising the utilities that they would fall into the hands of private ownership and - ultimately - accountability.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No it was true i was one of them why do you think i retired early the counselling didnt work

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"........

To think Scargill was getting £34k per year for his rent up till recently.... how many union dues did that equate to? What an icon of the working man he is!"

Is Scargill's £32,000 pa much different to the incoming Governor of the Bank of England getting £250,000 pa in housing allowance - in anything other than scale.

Bear in mind All taxpayers are contributing to Mark Carney's dig money on top of his basic salary.

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By *andCCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It's worth tracking down BBC Confidential 1982 on iPlayer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If Thatcher's policies were so bad, so wrong for the country, Labour had 13 years to renationalise those industries and build new housing stock. Why didn't they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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To think Scargill was getting £34k per year for his rent up till recently.... how many union dues did that equate to? What an icon of the working man he is!

Is Scargill's £32,000 pa much different to the incoming Governor of the Bank of England getting £250,000 pa in housing allowance - in anything other than scale.

Bear in mind All taxpayers are contributing to Mark Carney's dig money on top of his basic salary."

Will the incoming BoE governor still get that allowance 20 years after stepping down as governor though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"She's the greatest politician ever. "

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By *bang13Couple
over a year ago

Kidderminster

maggie our only true leader

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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To think Scargill was getting £34k per year for his rent up till recently.... how many union dues did that equate to? What an icon of the working man he is!

Is Scargill's £32,000 pa much different to the incoming Governor of the Bank of England getting £250,000 pa in housing allowance - in anything other than scale.

Bear in mind All taxpayers are contributing to Mark Carney's dig money on top of his basic salary.

Will the incoming BoE governor still get that allowance 20 years after stepping down as governor though."

With a salary of £480,000 pa + a pension contribution of £144,000 pa + what he's earned/ paid into his pension already, I don't suppose he's greatly bothered.

There will always be others who are though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"she stopped my milk when i was at school

funny, we are the same age and I got free milk"

You my friend are wrong. Thatcher stopped universal free milk for school children 9 years before she entered number 10. When she was Secretary of State

She also condemned the children of this country to a life of warmed up turkey twizzlers by closing school kitchens.

Unlike you, it seems, I care about the health of my children so as far as I'm concerned the old bag didn't do a good job. That's without mentioning 20% + interest rates etc etc.

Have a read of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations to see where her policies come from.

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

If Thatcher's policies were so bad, so wrong for the country, Labour had 13 years to renationalise those industries and build new housing stock. Why didn't they?"

cos the champagne socialists were far too busy robbing us!,they never once thought about our predicament as they were too busy lining their pockets,look at tony bliar for instance,running the country became a hindrance to his other side lines and now ol 'del bo'y bliar is a millionaire!.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Total agreement matey, the falkands saved her political skin. Remember whilst we regained the islands on her watch they were also invaded on her watch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"maggie our only true leader

Too true.

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By *ucsparkMan
over a year ago

dudley

She was asked for the rest of the Royal Marines commando unit and refused as there was no need. Funny how she got re-elected straight after.

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By *ustyBrunette35Couple
over a year ago

birmingham

"she stopped my milk when i was at school

funny, we are the same age and I got free milk

You my friend are wrong. Thatcher stopped universal free milk for school children 9 years before she entered number 10. When she was Secretary of State

She also condemned the children of this country to a life of warmed up turkey twizzlers by closing school kitchens.

Unlike you, it seems, I care about the health of my children so as far as I'm concerned the old bag didn't do a good job. That's without mentioning 20% + interest rates etc etc.

Have a read of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations to see where her policies come from."

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

Maggie contiuned what Labour had started as Tory Education Secretary, she stopped free milk for over 7's several years later.

At the time free milk for primary school children was costing £14m a year, twice as much as what was being spent on school books.

I think we all care about the health of our children, I sooner all parents looked after their kids health rather than burden a gouverment (any gouverment) with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Miners and steel workers will never forgive here

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

............."

On the perfectly sensible grounds that primary years are where it's more needed.

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over a year ago

"......

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

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On the perfectly sensible grounds that primary years are where it's more needed."

I'm sure a parent can forego a box of carling or a bottle of wine to give their kids the milk they so vitally need eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What I find quizzical about the files that have been released is the clamour from some quarters yelping "Ah! At last, the Truth!"

This is assuming that Mrs T told the truth 30 years ago knowing full well that in 30 years time the files would be released.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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I'm sure a parent can forego a box of carling or a bottle of wine to give their kids the milk they so vitally need eh?"

There's a world of difference between 'can' and 'will'.

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over a year ago

"......

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

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On the perfectly sensible grounds that primary years are where it's more needed."

Why should it be a general taxpayer requirement to give free milk to schoolchildren? Which other country would absolve parents of such a fundamentally basic responsibility?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

.............

On the perfectly sensible grounds that primary years are where it's more needed.

Why should it be a general taxpayer requirement to give free milk to schoolchildren? Which other country would absolve parents of such a fundamentally basic responsibility?"

Because it's an investment in their ongoing health, like BCG and polio vaccinations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Miners and steel workers will never forgive here"

Of course because they existed under the delusional idea that businesses should be run at a loss to preserve the rights of the worker.

No responsibility

No accountability

No respect

No job as a consequence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

.............

On the perfectly sensible grounds that primary years are where it's more needed.

Why should it be a general taxpayer requirement to give free milk to schoolchildren? Which other country would absolve parents of such a fundamentally basic responsibility?

Because it's an investment in their ongoing health, like BCG and polio vaccinations."

So where is the catastrophic failure of this policy in the current population who are under 40 and who would therefore have been deprived free milk?

Following your logic and observing current levels of obesity we ought to be absolving parents of the obligation to provide any food for their own children and make it a State sponsored obligation to feed all children......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Miners and steel workers will never forgive here"

Coming from a mining and steelworks background I have nothing to forgive. It's people like Maggie Thatcher who encouraged my parents to start their own business, who in turn encouraged my wife to start her own too. Thankfully the conservatives are keeping labour at bay long enough for her to build a strong business before labour try to piss her hard work away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

.............

On the perfectly sensible grounds that primary years are where it's more needed.

Why should it be a general taxpayer requirement to give free milk to schoolchildren? Which other country would absolve parents of such a fundamentally basic responsibility?

Because it's an investment in their ongoing health, like BCG and polio vaccinations."

What a load of hogwash. You are using that as a blatant justification for your ongoing and eternal hatred for Tories in general and Mrs Thatcher in particular.

A half pint of milk per day is going to add nothing at all to the daily requirements of a child's nutritional needs. They should be getting that at home anyway, or do you advocate an Orwellian society where babies are forcibly removed from their parents to be raised by the state and indoctrinated with state ideals so as to retain power in perpetuity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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I'm sure a parent can forego a box of carling or a bottle of wine to give their kids the milk they so vitally need eh?

There's a world of difference between 'can' and 'will'."

So where some parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

.............

On the perfectly sensible grounds that primary years are where it's more needed.

Why should it be a general taxpayer requirement to give free milk to schoolchildren? Which other country would absolve parents of such a fundamentally basic responsibility?

Because it's an investment in their ongoing health, like BCG and polio vaccinations.

What a load of hogwash. You are using that as a blatant justification for your ongoing and eternal hatred for Tories in general and Mrs Thatcher in particular.

There's a difference between 'should be' and 'are'.

Did Orwell suggest children be removed from their parents?

I thought places where children are away from their parents for the purposes of indoctrination were called bearding schools.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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I'm sure a parent can forego a box of carling or a bottle of wine to give their kids the milk they so vitally need eh?

There's a world of difference between 'can' and 'will'.

So where some parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

It has become de facto the job of the taxpayer (via DWP benefits) to fund the feeding of large numbers of children.

The fact their feckless parents choose to spend the dosh on baccy and bevvy ain't the weans' fault.

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over a year ago

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parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nice to see everyone on here is Consensus Ad Idem for once....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

is that such a bad idea? They are children after all

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

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parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

is that such a bad idea? They are children after all"

There's a view in some quarters that if there's any chance they'll grow to vote Labour, they should get any help at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Confused now was it the miners or the Argentinians who had they'r milk stopped ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Whether they are politicians or union leaders you must remember these people are only in it for THEMSELVES and not for the people the pretend to represent, US.

Live life and be good to one another.

Rob x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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I'm sure a parent can forego a box of carling or a bottle of wine to give their kids the milk they so vitally need eh?

There's a world of difference between 'can' and 'will'.

So where some parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

It has become de facto the job of the taxpayer (via DWP benefits) to fund the feeding of large numbers of children.

The fact their feckless parents choose to spend the dosh on baccy and bevvy ain't the weans' fault."

So why don't the govt ban baccy and bevvy then?

Hold on, they're in the process of doing that aren't they? Perhaps we can look forward to the return of free milk then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......

She will always be remembered as Thatcher the Milk Snatcher but it was Harold Wilson's Labour government that stopped free milk for secondary school pupils in 1968.

.............

On the perfectly sensible grounds that primary years are where it's more needed.

Why should it be a general taxpayer requirement to give free milk to schoolchildren? Which other country would absolve parents of such a fundamentally basic responsibility?

Because it's an investment in their ongoing health, like BCG and polio vaccinations.

What a load of hogwash. You are using that as a blatant justification for your ongoing and eternal hatred for Tories in general and Mrs Thatcher in particular.

There's a difference between 'should be' and 'are'.

Did Orwell suggest children be removed from their parents?

I thought places where children are away from their parents for the purposes of indoctrination were called bearding schools."

Boarding schools were for parents who couldn't be arsed to look after their offspring. Nothing more.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"......

.........Perhaps we can look forward to the return of free milk then. "

With Gideon in charge we stand more chance of getting wallpaper supplied by the government.

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over a year ago

"......

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parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

is that such a bad idea? They are children after all"

You're right, they are children, someone else's children. I feed my kids, they feed theirs, is that such an unfair practice?

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over a year ago

"......

.........Perhaps we can look forward to the return of free milk then.

With Gideon in charge we stand more chance of getting wallpaper supplied by the government."

Preferable. I buy all the milk my kids need so if the govt want to give me some free wallpaper it would be much appreciated, ta.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i seem to remember ours stopped then after a while it started up again ?

So your milk was not stopped then! Its a socialist red herring. If it was so detrimental to the kids of the time, there would be millions of 40something walking bow legged with Ricketts... "

Watch this space... Free milk is available to a very low percentage of primary children, the rest have to pay for theirs. Or rather their parents do....sometimes fags n booze are a higher priority!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i seem to remember ours stopped then after a while it started up again ?

So your milk was not stopped then! Its a socialist red herring. If it was so detrimental to the kids of the time, there would be millions of 40something walking bow legged with Ricketts...

Watch this space... Free milk is available to a very low percentage of primary children, the rest have to pay for theirs. Or rather their parents do....sometimes fags n booze are a higher priority! "

Who give a fart about free milk! What about the lactose intolerant?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......

.........Perhaps we can look forward to the return of free milk then.

With Gideon in charge we stand more chance of getting wallpaper supplied by the government.

Preferable. I buy all the milk my kids need so if the govt want to give me some free wallpaper it would be much appreciated, ta."

you'll love Osborne and Little wallpaper. its overpriced shite. Its the bane of my life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"......

.........Perhaps we can look forward to the return of free milk then.

With Gideon in charge we stand more chance of getting wallpaper supplied by the government.

Preferable. I buy all the milk my kids need so if the govt want to give me some free wallpaper it would be much appreciated, ta.

you'll love Osborne and Little wallpaper. its overpriced shite. Its the bane of my life

I'll only paint over it anyway so I don't really care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It must have been a really difficult decision to drum up badly needed dumb-ass patriotic fever, in order to shore-up the last vestiges of a defunkt Empire and draw a murky cloud over the real war - the purposeful and brutal dismantling of working class power in this country.

The current corruption and scandals of the establishment are but a minor side-issue to the death-like grip the priveledged few now have over the majority - a hammer blow to progressive politics dealt under the shadow of a, on the face it, ridiculous conflict barely worth one life - never mind the hundreds it caused.

Yes, taking the decision to send a hugely expensive task-force against a virtually bankrupt state with a third-rate military to save a few hardy colonials and a bunch of penguins was a real notch on our bedpost of prestige

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It must have been a really difficult decision to drum up badly needed dumb-ass patriotic fever, in order to shore-up the last vestiges of a defunkt Empire and draw a murky cloud over the real war - the purposeful and brutal dismantling of working class power in this country.

So the Falklanders could only be British if they didn't cause any problems for the Motherland eh?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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.........Perhaps we can look forward to the return of free milk then.

With Gideon in charge we stand more chance of getting wallpaper supplied by the government.

Preferable. I buy all the milk my kids need so if the govt want to give me some free wallpaper it would be much appreciated, ta.

you'll love Osborne and Little wallpaper. its overpriced shite. Its the bane of my life

Overpriced shite is very popular in some households.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

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So the Falklanders could only be British if they didn't cause any problems for the Motherland eh?

Only a few years earlier the UK and Argentina had been negotiating a lease back deal over the Falklands. The stumbling block had been who got the bit with the people and who got the bit with the sheep.

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over a year ago

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So the Falklanders could only be British if they didn't cause any problems for the Motherland eh?

Or was there never any real plan to hand them back at all, merely delaying tactics until a good old fashioned punch up settled it.

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By *bang13Couple
over a year ago

Kidderminster

long live the iron lady

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Personally, this thread has gone totally off track!

I wont say was I truely want to, but just a few highlights as this thread has angered me quite a bit, some of the horrendous comments being made about someone who is old and sick and did the job to the best of their ability!

My dad served in the Falkland War, did he ever gripe about it? No he didn't, Did he have the upmost respect for her? Damn right he did, did he lose friends during the conflict? Hell yes, so to my knowledge, the majority of the people serving at the time agreed with what they were sent to do!.

As with all the crap about privatisation, the minors, selling off council homes, there are two side to every story and yes I am too young to voice a proper informed opinion, however, the selling off of council houses, was to give 'normal' people the chance to 'own' their own homes at affordable prices, yes it is a shame that they haven't rebuilt stocks to help other families, but then other governments have since allowed other nationalities to enter the country and obtain said housing when I was told to get myself pregnant if I wanted a home when I was facing homelessness when I was 16 under a labour government...go figure!

And speaking about the withdrawal etc of free milk and the amount of people on benefits, and having any amount of kids they want, did you know that contraceptives are actually free in this country 'shock horror' and have been for at least the last 20 odd years I have been on them so there is no bloody excuse!

But yet, people as in the 'common' people still know their way around the system whilst people with genuine need of help seem to struggle in the battle of the barriers, being put up against them, because the whole lot has been screwed with in the first place!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"she stopped my milk when i was at school

funny, we are the same age and I got free milk

You my friend are wrong. Thatcher stopped universal free milk for school children 9 years before she entered number 10. When she was Secretary of State

She also condemned the children of this country to a life of warmed up turkey twizzlers by closing school kitchens.

Unlike you, it seems, I care about the health of my children so as far as I'm concerned the old bag didn't do a good job. That's without mentioning 20% + interest rates etc etc.

Have a read of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations to see where her policies come from."

Ah, so you went to my school? No? Well what do you know then?

I left primary school in 1979, and had free milk right up until i left. We even had free orange juice for those who did not drink milk.

I did wonder if this was just my local council, which was Wandsworth. But my OH comes from Yorkshire, and she had it until 1981.

So my friend, it would appear you are wrong.

Oh, and we both had fresh food cooked on site at both our primary schools and secondary schools.

I can only guess you lived in a deprived area where your council did not give a rats arse!?

With regards interest rates, that is not solely a Tory problem. In the 70's inflation was an average of 13% and peaked under a Labour goverment at 25%.

As I have said in a previous post, get Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain about the 70s and educate yourself on the disgraceful mess that Maggie had to clean up.

An interesting point on the show is that the first 'right to buy' was under a labour government. It was their idea and Maggie run with it. Personally, I am thankful. My Nan bought her place for £12k and its now worth close to £1million, which has benefited her, my dad, me and my siblings and also the next generation.

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over a year ago

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parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

is that such a bad idea? They are children after all

There's a view in some quarters that if there's any chance they'll grow to vote Labour, they should get any help at all

I thought that vote is going through? Aint it when Scotland votes for independence?

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

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parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

is that such a bad idea? They are children after all

There's a view in some quarters that if there's any chance they'll grow to vote Labour, they should get any help at all

I thought that vote is going through? Aint it when Scotland votes for independence?

I'm hoping the Scot's are not that stupid! And if they are, do they not wonder why they are reducing the age to vote to 16??

Ahhh and I was not going to read this thread again!

Bloody Alex Sammond get my tits (not literally) lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"......

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parents don't feed their children properly it should become the responsibility of the taxpayer to feed all children properly?

is that such a bad idea? They are children after all

There's a view in some quarters that if there's any chance they'll grow to vote Labour, they should get any help at all

I thought that vote is going through? Aint it when Scotland votes for independence?

I'm hoping the Scot's are not that stupid! And if they are, do they not wonder why they are reducing the age to vote to 16??

Ahhh and I was not going to read this thread again!

Bloody Alex Sammond get my tits (not literally) lol

Off thread again... great arse and love the shibari

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

If Thatcher's policies were so bad, so wrong for the country, Labour had 13 years to renationalise those industries and build new housing stock. Why didn't they?"

They were not industries they were utilities industry was already dead destroyed by Thatcher and the cost of renationalising the utilities would have been horrendous.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

Did she do everything right? Of course not - no-one can always do everything right but in footballing terminology she was a real game changer the like of which have not been seen since.

In my personal opinion her biggest failure was not selling the Community Charge (Poll Tax) to the population at large and allowing rioting activists to steal the show."

Let's look at the facts; without North sea oil revenue(which was found under a Labour governement, but werent around to fully benefit from it), Thatcher wouldnt have been able to do half of what she wanted to do(tax cuts, pay down the national debt).

My gran was old enough to remember her; she hated her with a passion. This was a woman who was widowed when my dad was 4, had 3 jobs to make ends meet, worked her whole life and when she retired, she had thatcher cut the earnings link to her state pension.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

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over a year ago

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era."

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"she stopped my milk when i was at school

funny, we are the same age and I got free milk

You my friend are wrong. Thatcher stopped universal free milk for school children 9 years before she entered number 10. When she was Secretary of State

She also condemned the children of this country to a life of warmed up turkey twizzlers by closing school kitchens.

Unlike you, it seems, I care about the health of my children so as far as I'm concerned the old bag didn't do a good job. That's without mentioning 20% + interest rates etc etc.

Have a read of Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations to see where her policies come from.

Ah, so you went to my school? No? Well what do you know then?

I left primary school in 1979, and had free milk right up until i left. We even had free orange juice for those who did not drink milk.

I did wonder if this was just my local council, which was Wandsworth. But my OH comes from Yorkshire, and she had it until 1981.

So my friend, it would appear you are wrong.

Oh, and we both had fresh food cooked on site at both our primary schools and secondary schools.

I can only guess you lived in a deprived area where your council did not give a rats arse!?

With regards interest rates, that is not solely a Tory problem. In the 70's inflation was an average of 13% and peaked under a Labour goverment at 25%.

As I have said in a previous post, get Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain about the 70s and educate yourself on the disgraceful mess that Maggie had to clean up.

Great post.

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over a year ago

The old girl got us talking

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor"

So I am a communist just because I dont agree with greed?.

I am saying why take from the needy to give to the greedy and no one can deny that has always been Tory policy how much money does a person need?

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"The old girl got us talking "

No she did not the OP got us talking

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over a year ago

No if it wasnt maggie this thread would be dead hours ago

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By *leurCouple
over a year ago

West Hull

Usually when we send our troops into danger in a far off land its because of oil. I mean we wouldn't show much interest in the Middle East if it was just sand and camel shit.

Thatcher was praised for going to the rescue of 1800 Islanders but now oil has been found in the waters off the Falklands it make you wonder if the old girl had a crystal ball?

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"The old girl got us talking

No she did not the OP got us talking

ok start a thread on that well known leader john smith see how long that lasts if anyone remembers him

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By *leurCouple
over a year ago

West Hull

"Usually when we send our troops into danger in a far off land its because of oil. I mean we wouldn't show much interest in the Middle East if it was just sand and camel shit.

Thatcher was praised for going to the rescue of 1800 Islanders but now oil has been found in the waters off the Falklands it make you wonder if the old girl had a crystal ball?

It was known at the time there was oil."

True - but the commercial viability was not known until fairly recently

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"The old girl got us talking

No she did not the OP got us talking

ok start a thread on that well known leader john smith see how long that lasts if anyone remembers him"

John Smith was never PM and if he had been I am almost certain he would have been one of the best he certainly had a heart which is something Thatcher lacks.

This thread has only gone on so long because just as many ppl posting here have a great dislike of Thatcher as admire her it is not because we all love her.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Usually when we send our troops into danger in a far off land its because of oil. I mean we wouldn't show much interest in the Middle East if it was just sand and camel shit.

Thatcher was praised for going to the rescue of 1800 Islanders but now oil has been found in the waters off the Falklands it make you wonder if the old girl had a crystal ball?

It was known at the time there was oil.

True - but the commercial viability was not known until fairly recently"

but as reserves run out then oil no matter where it is will become commercially viable and this was known too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The old girl got us talking

No she did not the OP got us talking

ok start a thread on that well known leader john smith see how long that lasts if anyone remembers him

John Smith was never PM and if he had been I am almost certain he would have been one of the best he certainly had a heart which is something Thatcher lacks.

This thread has only gone on so long because just as many ppl posting here have a great dislike of Thatcher as admire her it is not because we all love her.

never said he was pm i said leader

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By *leurCouple
over a year ago

West Hull

"Usually when we send our troops into danger in a far off land its because of oil. I mean we wouldn't show much interest in the Middle East if it was just sand and camel shit.

Thatcher was praised for going to the rescue of 1800 Islanders but now oil has been found in the waters off the Falklands it make you wonder if the old girl had a crystal ball?

It was known at the time there was oil.

True - but the commercial viability was not known until fairly recently

but as reserves run out then oil no matter where it is will become commercially viable and this was known too."

Also very true - I have a friend down there involved at a high level. Wish he had tipped me off a couple of years ago before the shares went up 2000%

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

I know you said leader but he never had the chance to prove himself so I don't think you can make a comparison between a prime minister and a leader of the opposition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know you said leader but he never had the chance to prove himself so I don't think you can make a comparison between a prime minister and a leader of the opposition."

yes fair point ok niel kinnock most famous thing tripping in the sea at brighton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

John Smith was never PM and if he had been I am almost certain he would have been one of the best he certainly had a heart which is something Thatcher lacks.

Didn't do him much good in the end did it - he died of a heart attack. I liked Smith, and he talked a good talk, but then Blair did that also and I voted for him. I feel like I was mugged by Blair for my vote.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

John Smith was never PM and if he had been I am almost certain he would have been one of the best he certainly had a heart which is something Thatcher lacks.

Never did like Blair and he certainly didn't get my vote he was always so smarmy and had the look of a true politician, what can I get out of this sort of thing.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

Oops didn't even spot the irony in the John Smith had a good heart statement as he clearly did not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is less well known is that Harold Wilson also went up against Argentina over the Falklands. However he did not need to win an election so simply called the ambassador in and told him there were nuke subs in the vicinity carrying out manoeuvres. Argies backed down and nobody died. Sometimes being a good politiciAn does not need to hurt the population!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"Oops didn't even spot the irony in the John Smith had a good heart statement as he clearly did not."

He also liked a good drink.

As far as I know John had no prior information about a heart condition. A lot of folk are in a similar situation.

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By *aulatv_ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Rhyl

The Faulklands was a war just waiting to happen, if you watch the documentary shock directive it will give you back ground on the chicargo project which was an economic experiment by the right wing of the US on how to control populations using natural and man made desasters. The CIA experimented with the right wing in Latin American countries this caused a domino effect of instability. The experiment was also used by the right wing in the UK too lesser extent. If you want to know why we are in such a mess economically watch the documentary

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over a year ago

"The Faulklands was a war just waiting to happen, if you watch the documentary shock directive it will give you back ground on the chicargo project which was an economic experiment by the right wing of the US on how to control populations using natural and man made desasters. The CIA experimented with the right wing in Latin American countries this caused a domino effect of instability. The experiment was also used by the right wing in the UK too lesser extent. If you want to know why we are in such a mess economically watch the documentary "

lol.. another conspiracy theorist. You don't buy into all that crap do you? Too many people would know about secret plots to destabilise vast population areas to keep it quiet.

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By *xpresMan
over a year ago

Elland

God bless her...

She would still show the pricks today a thing or two.. no red or blue they merged to make a shitty purple colour

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"God bless her...

She would still show the pricks today a thing or two.. no red or blue they merged to make a shitty purple colour "

Much like her nappies are nowadays.

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By *aulatv_ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Rhyl

lol.. another conspiracy theorist. You don't buy into all that crap do you? Too many people would know about secret plots to destabilise vast population areas to keep it quiet."

They do that's why they made a documentary to explain it to all you numptys. Dare you watch it ignorance is bliss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Usually when we send our troops into danger in a far off land its because of oil. I mean we wouldn't show much interest in the Middle East if it was just sand and camel shit.

Thatcher was praised for going to the rescue of 1800 Islanders but now oil has been found in the waters off the Falklands it make you wonder if the old girl had a crystal ball?"
oil or no oil the falkland islanders are British subjects and as so deserve the right to protection. That's the reason we went down there

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Usually when we send our troops into danger in a far off land its because of oil. I mean we wouldn't show much interest in the Middle East if it was just sand and camel shit.

Thatcher was praised for going to the rescue of 1800 Islanders but now oil has been found in the waters off the Falklands it make you wonder if the old girl had a crystal ball?oil or no oil the falkland islanders are British subjects and as so deserve the right to protection. That's the reason we went down there"

just a shame we didnt afford the residents of diego garcia a bit of that spirit..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor

So I am a communist just because I dont agree with greed?.

I am saying why take from the needy to give to the greedy and no one can deny that has always been Tory policy how much money does a person need?"

I never said you was a communist, I said that the only political platform for everyone having the same is communism... aint that dont work.

I get sick of hearing that the rich and successful should be penalised and their wealth should be shared out to the needy. We live in a capitialistic world, not Robin of Sherwood fantasy world. If people dont have much, work harder and smarter and get more.

The idea that you cant tax those rich and successful to the bone is madness. The French Socialist government have raised their top rate tax rate to 75%, and guess what. The masters of industry are emigrating.

We had the brain drain from this country for much the same reasons, and we frequently see top businessman, sportsman and musicians disappearing off to a nice tax haven.

If we keep hitting the successful with a stick and robbing them to feed the poor, the only people left in this country will be the poor... and where would you be then? A socialist utopia of everyone being on the same level.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor

So I am a communist just because I dont agree with greed?.

I am saying why take from the needy to give to the greedy and no one can deny that has always been Tory policy how much money does a person need?

I never said you was a communist, I said that the only political platform for everyone having the same is communism... aint that dont work.

We had the brain drain from this country for much the same reasons, and we frequently see top businessman, sportsman and musicians disappearing off to a nice tax haven.

Nice one Ben. Envy is the motivation of the idle - not to work harder but to moan and complain more...

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over a year ago

Too hot, what a post this has to be the best yet.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor

So I am a communist just because I dont agree with greed?.

I am saying why take from the needy to give to the greedy and no one can deny that has always been Tory policy how much money does a person need?

I never said you was a communist, I said that the only political platform for everyone having the same is communism... aint that dont work.

We had the brain drain from this country for much the same reasons, and we frequently see top businessman, sportsman and musicians disappearing off to a nice tax haven.

Nice one Ben. Envy is the motivation of the idle - not to work harder but to moan and complain more..."

No envy here I have worked all my life and live reasonably well and I am more than happy to pay my fair share as I have a fair sense of play (funny that's supposed to be a British trait but don't see a lot wanting it on this post) if you look you will see that I have said why policies that give millionaires more and take from the less well off to pay for it don't give me all this they deserve it as they work hard so do most folk in this country but they don't have a government that looks after them.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

For the record I don't believe in the communist ideal of everyone being paid the same why should a shop assistant be paid the same as a surgeon.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its about time we have another thatcher running this country unlike them theving labour shite we have which fooked this country beyond belief

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

"its about time we have another thatcher running this country unlike them theving labour shite we have which fooked this country beyond belief"

You mean "had" not "have" surely?

Labour are not in power just now!

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"its about time we have another thatcher running this country unlike them theving labour shite we have which fooked this country beyond belief"

Cameron no good then?

Tories are only fucking things up more in the short time they have been in the borrowing has risen by some and nothing whatsoever to do with Labour now (for blame see Osborne etc) those in charge who must take the blame they can only blame the last lot for so long but I have a feeling you will choose to ignore the facts.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"its about time we have another thatcher running this country unlike them theving labour shite we have which fooked this country beyond belief

Cameron no good then?

What would be good is to have someone back in power with some clear visions, concrete policies and to go with them. Someone with balls who will stand up for what they believe and drive the changes through. Someone with the interest of the UK and its residents at heart.

I dont think that someone is Cameron and definately not Miliband.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

I agree there is no one on the horizon just now.

Interests of the UK? no Europe or the rest of the world included is that pc?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor

So I am a communist just because I dont agree with greed?.

I am saying why take from the needy to give to the greedy and no one can deny that has always been Tory policy how much money does a person need?

I never said you was a communist, I said that the only political platform for everyone having the same is communism... aint that dont work.

We had the brain drain from this country for much the same reasons, and we frequently see top businessman, sportsman and musicians disappearing off to a nice tax haven.

Nice one Ben. Envy is the motivation of the idle - not to work harder but to moan and complain more...

Please say exactly which policy or policies give millionaires more and take from the less well off? I think that you will find that the wealthier an individual is, the more that individual pays as a percentage of what they own. I would say just from that starting point you will have a hard job to back up your claim.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor

So I am a communist just because I dont agree with greed?.

I am saying why take from the needy to give to the greedy and no one can deny that has always been Tory policy how much money does a person need?

I never said you was a communist, I said that the only political platform for everyone having the same is communism... aint that dont work.

We had the brain drain from this country for much the same reasons, and we frequently see top businessman, sportsman and musicians disappearing off to a nice tax haven.

Nice one Ben. Envy is the motivation of the idle - not to work harder but to moan and complain more...

Lowering high rate taxes while lowering the threshold where middle income pay 40% which was done not too long ago se it wasn't that hard

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor

So I am a communist just because I dont agree with greed?.

I am saying why take from the needy to give to the greedy and no one can deny that has always been Tory policy how much money does a person need?

I never said you was a communist, I said that the only political platform for everyone having the same is communism... aint that dont work.

We had the brain drain from this country for much the same reasons, and we frequently see top businessman, sportsman and musicians disappearing off to a nice tax haven.

Nice one Ben. Envy is the motivation of the idle - not to work harder but to moan and complain more...

And just to add, anyone who waits expectantly for any Govt of any persuasion to "look after them" is going to be waiting a very long time.

Life is not fair, life is difficult, some people are lucky, some people are unlucky and some people make their own luck. You just have to get on and do what is right for you and take all your opportunities in life.

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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago

folkestone

There are some millionaires who actually pay (legally) less income tax than their cleaners. (treasury report).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Usually when we send our troops into danger in a far off land its because of oil. I mean we wouldn't show much interest in the Middle East if it was just sand and camel shit.

just a shame we didnt afford the residents of diego garcia a bit of that spirit..

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a good point and no answer to it I just believe in what we did in the Falklands was morally based and not financial. To many men on both sides lost they'r life's down there for a political point scoring row to start now.

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over a year ago

"Come on _unchbox the money had to come from somewhere to pay the riches tax cuts and the good old Tory way of robbing the poor and weak to pay the rich really had its best days in Thatchers era.

If we had no rich entrepreneurs and businessmen in this country driving the economy, then the poor would have even less.

Communisn does not work, so there will always be rich and poor

So I am a communist just because I dont agree with greed?.

I am saying why take from the needy to give to the greedy and no one can deny that has always been Tory policy how much money does a person need?

I never said you was a communist, I said that the only political platform for everyone having the same is communism... aint that dont work.

We had the brain drain from this country for much the same reasons, and we frequently see top businessman, sportsman and musicians disappearing off to a nice tax haven.

Nice one Ben. Envy is the motivation of the idle - not to work harder but to moan and complain more...

Lowering high rate taxes while lowering the threshold where middle income pay 40% which was done not too long ago se it wasn't that hard "

Hang on a minute. Income tax is loaded heavily in favour of the less well off and graded income tax is an inherently unfair punishment on high income earners. Why should a Medical Consultant earning 100,000 a year give up 50,000 to the State (50%) after personally investing time, effort and patience to achieve a professional qualification when a shop assistant only has to give up 15% of their salary? That is an unfair starting point to begin with. By definition, the Consultant is of a higher value to the State than a shop assistant but the State punishes them and takes 50% of their earnings in tax and NI.

Logically, how can that be fair?

Your example refers to the 40% rate that went up briefly to 50% and has been returned to where it was before.

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

central scotland

"Usually when we send our troops into danger in a far off land its because of oil. I mean we wouldn't show much interest in the Middle East if it was just sand and camel shit.

just a shame we didnt afford the residents of diego garcia a bit of that spirit..

a good point and no answer to it I just believe in what we did in the Falklands was morally based and not financial. To many men on both sides lost they'r life's down there for a political point scoring row to start now. "

There would have been a lot more casualties on our side if the Argentinian airforce were as skilled as ours the fleet would have been decimated.

And as one officer in Afghanistan said and I cant remember his name "Don't train them too well as we may be fighting them in a few years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are some millionaires who actually pay (legally) less income tax than their cleaners. (treasury report). "

Link?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"be interesting to see when the secret files on blair come out.

I think its clear to see which side of the political divide you stand on

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