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"Personally I like the bit where Turin finds his sister naked, and ends up getting her pregnant. But maybe you were looking for something a little more uplifting?" Turin’s entire existence was one great big tragedy. I do like that he’ll return to finally end Morgoth, so some measure of redemption. I was more asking about the film trilogy | |||
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"The Ride of the Rohirrm " A man of exquisite taste i see | |||
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"I get the creeps when bilbo sees the ring with frodo and for a second he turns into a monster " Love this scene cos it shows the power the Ring could have, even on someone as resilient as Bilbo. It also gave us a glimpse into the Ring stsrting to gain power over Frodo, showing us HIS perception of Bilbo as a monster (in that moment) | |||
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"The most heartbreaking scene is Gandalf’s reaction when Frodo says he will take the Ring to Mordor at the Council of Elrond. Not only does he know the terrible price Frodo will pay but I think he knows that even if they are victorious against Sauron, Middle Earth as they know it will be gone forever. The Hobbits as a race represent innocence and Frodo’s ordeal marks the end of this. The repercussions will echo through the world and change it forever." Especially when you consider how long lived and battle weary so many of the folks gathered there are. The most unlikely of individuals there, would be the salvation of the Third Age. So poignant. | |||
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"Battle of Helm's Deep!" An actual masterpiece! | |||
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"I can't possibly pick just one scene The Nazgul in Bree scene still makes me jump despite having seen it at least twenty times though." I still get a shiver down my spine any time the Nazgul appear on screen. "So many good moments already. I also like the Ents getting shit done after deciding enough is enough. " The Ents fucking up Isengard and sticking it to Saruman is truly amazing. | |||
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"why didn't they just fly the ring to the mountain with the Eagles in the first place?....Kids, eh?" LOL the classic question Long story short, the success of the Fellowship relied on discretion and a degree of stealth. Everything they did was designed to keep Sauron’s gaze fixed on their “military might”. He had no idea where the Ring was, and would never have suspected a tiny Hobbit would be able to endure carrying it, let alone make it all the way to Mount Doom. So putting the Ring, and it’s bearer, on a giant Eagle, and flying straight to Mordor, would have been the worst idea. Basically a giant signal to the patrolling Nazgul to come obliterate them. Also the Eagles were a proud, old, and noble race. They didn’t do requests | |||
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"For me it's the flight of Melkor and Ungoliant into Arda. It symbolises the start of the epic troubles from FA to the culmination towards the TA." I don’t understand why the Valar forgave Melkor the first time (i get it but still) Could have avoided so much carnage and destruction. | |||
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"My favourite scene is when Frodo trips in the snow early after leaving Rivendell before Moria, and Boromir picks it up. The tension between everyone is incredible. I think it was the first clip they released, I can see why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHHaKtVdfa0 Also, a) Gotta be the extended editions, and b) the Hobbit trilogy was gash, and should have been a tv series not films." The foreshadowing in that scene was *chef’s kiss* | |||
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"Boromir protecting Merry and Pippin" That whole sequence that leads to that and after is great. The sweeping camera shots as they run down the hill. The fights at the top of the hill, Boromir protecting the Hobbits and then Aragorn comes charging in | |||
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"I like the bit towards the end when the eagles arrive and lift them to safety then Bilbo and same and all the others realise that gandalf could have used them from the start to get to Mordor. So they all get together and take turns beating the crap out of gandalf before feeding him to the balrog. The end " Spoil sport! Sure Tolkien must have thought of that. I reckon he would say something about the Eagle’s having free will and agency of their own to help in a manner they see fit. But yeah. in both The Hobbit and LOTR the Eagles could have saved a lot of time and bother! | |||
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"I like the bit towards the end when the eagles arrive and lift them to safety then Bilbo and same and all the others realise that gandalf could have used them from the start to get to Mordor. So they all get together and take turns beating the crap out of gandalf before feeding him to the balrog. The end Spoil sport! Sure Tolkien must have thought of that. I reckon he would say something about the Eagle’s having free will and agency of their own to help in a manner they see fit. But yeah. in both The Hobbit and LOTR the Eagles could have saved a lot of time and bother!" If he’d bothered to scroll up in the thread, i explained the whole Eagle thing in some depth | |||
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"I like the bit towards the end when the eagles arrive and lift them to safety then Bilbo and same and all the others realise that gandalf could have used them from the start to get to Mordor. So they all get together and take turns beating the crap out of gandalf before feeding him to the balrog. The end Spoil sport! Sure Tolkien must have thought of that. I reckon he would say something about the Eagle’s having free will and agency of their own to help in a manner they see fit. But yeah. in both The Hobbit and LOTR the Eagles could have saved a lot of time and bother! If he’d bothered to scroll up in the thread, i explained the whole Eagle thing in some depth " Yeah but that would have involved effort on my behalf. | |||
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"Moria is a great concept. " “Speak, friend, and enter.” | |||
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"It's not quite got the grandiose cinematography but when Pippin sings All Shall Fade. That juxtaposition between the simplicity of the folk song and the certain death Faramir faced always made me cry a bit. I think it's also because his voice cracks and you hear the futility and hopelessness in such a raw way. I'm a bit of a soppy so and so." Honestly, it gets me every damn time, so i totally understand | |||
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""Since you were r*bbed of Borimir, I will do what I can in his stead..." David Wenham's portrayal of Farimir's grief at being emotionally rejected by his father makes me tear up and my chest hurt. Every time. BTW, why can't I say "r o b b e d"? Nell" I do not know Nell. Weird isn't it? But yes, this moment is so beautiful. Don't get me wrong, I love the more majestic fighting scenes. But those displays of emotions are so perfectly captured, the nuanced complexities of being alive. I'm probably going to have to do a LotR marathon over Christmas. | |||
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" Also you can't not mention the balrog. Awesome " Gandalf vs the Balrog will forever be etched in my memory. Two powerful Maiar going at it, in a battle that would prove more important to the fate of Middle Earth than they probably knew at the time. EPIC! "Never watched one , is it worth the time ? " I genuinely believe so. Are you a fan of the fantasy genre? Cos that will probably determine if you’ll like this or not, to begin with. | |||
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"When Aragorn unsheaths Andúril in the Valley of the Dead and tells the King of the Dead "You will suffer me!" *shivers* " On the subject of Andúril, when he uses the Palantir against Sauron, brandishes the sword, and Sauron trolls him right back by showing him Arwen dying. I laughed harder than i should have | |||
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"When Aragorn unsheaths Andúril in the Valley of the Dead and tells the King of the Dead "You will suffer me!" *shivers* On the subject of Andúril, when he uses the Palantir against Sauron, brandishes the sword, and Sauron trolls him right back by showing him Arwen dying. I laughed harder than i should have " Heartless! However, it did the job. Drew all his attention to the Black Gate, meaning Sam and Frodo had easy(ish) access to Mount Doom. | |||
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"One does not simply walk into Mordor It’s a timeless classic " Very true! | |||
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"20 years of Fellowship last year, 20 years of Towers this year, 20 years of Return next year! The Two Towers overall is by far the best of the 3 movies. Theoden has the best dialogue in all 3 movies. And Bernard Hill delivers them perfectly. Ride of the Rohirrim is a masterpiece, very few scenes are able to accomplish what it did from every angle and yet still give chills when rewatching it years later. Unpopular opinion (though not as unpopular as some think) leaving out Tom Bombadil from the movies was the best decision Jackson could have made - other than the Barrow wights chapter, his whole section would have destroyed the movie. He served little to no purpose to the story. " Tom Bombadil is the pivotal character in the books, he puts the ring on and nothing happens, and when Gandalf accompanies the hobbits back to the shire he goes off to see Tom, leaving the hobbits to the scouring.. | |||
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"As much as I like Tom Bombadil as a book character, i don’t think his inclusion in the movies would have done much to forward the overall plot. And specifically, he cares little for the world of Middle Earth outside of his domain." Merry gets given the sword by Tom that eventually disables the witch king, allowing eowyn to finish him off. The Witch King has awakened evil trees and barrow wights, and Tom must help the hobbits thru his realm. (Old man willow) Tom want the witch king dead due to his perversion of nature and provided Merry the means to lay low one of the most powerful protagonists on the side of evil. | |||
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"My two top moments from an emotional standpoint are both from Sam. First near the end of The Two Towers, his 'Holding On' speech to Frodo (that Gollum and Faramir overhear). The second moment is near the end of The Return of the King, when he lifts Frodo onto his shoulders to carry him the last little bit up Mt. Doom, and the instrumental version of 'Into the West' swells. Sam is the GOAT, the MVP of the whole trilogy, in my opinion." Agreed. Every part of their plan falls apart if Sam hadn’t saved Frodo’s ass multiple times. I’m glad he got to sail West to Valinor in the end. | |||
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"My two top moments from an emotional standpoint are both from Sam. First near the end of The Two Towers, his 'Holding On' speech to Frodo (that Gollum and Faramir overhear). The second moment is near the end of The Return of the King, when he lifts Frodo onto his shoulders to carry him the last little bit up Mt. Doom, and the instrumental version of 'Into the West' swells. Sam is the GOAT, the MVP of the whole trilogy, in my opinion. Agreed. Every part of their plan falls apart if Sam hadn’t saved Frodo’s ass multiple times. I’m glad he got to sail West to Valinor in the end." Whether it was intentional by Tolkien or not, Sam faithfully serving and saving Frodo was a commentary on the upper class depending on the working class. | |||
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"My two top moments from an emotional standpoint are both from Sam. First near the end of The Two Towers, his 'Holding On' speech to Frodo (that Gollum and Faramir overhear). The second moment is near the end of The Return of the King, when he lifts Frodo onto his shoulders to carry him the last little bit up Mt. Doom, and the instrumental version of 'Into the West' swells. Sam is the GOAT, the MVP of the whole trilogy, in my opinion. Agreed. Every part of their plan falls apart if Sam hadn’t saved Frodo’s ass multiple times. I’m glad he got to sail West to Valinor in the end. Whether it was intentional by Tolkien or not, Sam faithfully serving and saving Frodo was a commentary on the upper class depending on the working class." I'm sure it was intentional. He was understandably marked for life by his time in the trenches, and began writing LOTR in 1917. | |||
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"My two top moments from an emotional standpoint are both from Sam. First near the end of The Two Towers, his 'Holding On' speech to Frodo (that Gollum and Faramir overhear). The second moment is near the end of The Return of the King, when he lifts Frodo onto his shoulders to carry him the last little bit up Mt. Doom, and the instrumental version of 'Into the West' swells. Sam is the GOAT, the MVP of the whole trilogy, in my opinion. Agreed. Every part of their plan falls apart if Sam hadn’t saved Frodo’s ass multiple times. I’m glad he got to sail West to Valinor in the end. Whether it was intentional by Tolkien or not, Sam faithfully serving and saving Frodo was a commentary on the upper class depending on the working class." I think the balance of doing it for friendship and love far outweighed any aspects of servitude or class struggle. They drank together in the pub, they were best friends, if anything it showed that class was no boundary amongst hobbits, ergo should have none. Sam was the real hero though, can't deny. | |||
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"My two top moments from an emotional standpoint are both from Sam. First near the end of The Two Towers, his 'Holding On' speech to Frodo (that Gollum and Faramir overhear). The second moment is near the end of The Return of the King, when he lifts Frodo onto his shoulders to carry him the last little bit up Mt. Doom, and the instrumental version of 'Into the West' swells. Sam is the GOAT, the MVP of the whole trilogy, in my opinion. Agreed. Every part of their plan falls apart if Sam hadn’t saved Frodo’s ass multiple times. I’m glad he got to sail West to Valinor in the end. Whether it was intentional by Tolkien or not, Sam faithfully serving and saving Frodo was a commentary on the upper class depending on the working class. I think the balance of doing it for friendship and love far outweighed any aspects of servitude or class struggle. They drank together in the pub, they were best friends, if anything it showed that class was no boundary amongst hobbits, ergo should have none. Sam was the real hero though, can't deny." Friends yes but in the same way the Lord of the Manor is friends with his gardener. He is still his employer. Sam addresses him (mostly) as “Mr Frodo” whereas Merry and Pippin (Frodo’s relatives) do not. | |||
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"-The gathering of the ents & giving sarauman what for.. " Saruman really got the business from all ends. The Ents defeated him. Gandalf humiliated him. Grima turned on him. And then later on, he tried to take the Shire only to lose to the Hobbits. Then Manwe blew his spirit away to add the final insult | |||
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