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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Electric

Gas

Food

Fuel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no

its if they stabilize its a pause not reset...

fuel has come down a bit bit it won't go back to 1.40 a litre..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My services are free...I flatly refuse to lower my price

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

No. We have been through a period where food and clothes cost less relative to what they did years ago but I've never known prices go down with the exception of petrol and diesel

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

No x

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By *rtyIanMan
over a year ago

Gateway to the Beacons

Simple answer no

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment "

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

I can see them actually increasing more next year

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By *oupleforxtrafunCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

Yes, most definitely price of everything will drop as it gonna be a massive depression

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No chance the company's won't allow it as it kills their profit

The government won't do it as their in the company's pockets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Honestly.

All the while Ofcom allow these companies to screw us over then they will have a legitimate excuse to keep price increase...however with the phasing out of fossil fuels to more renewable sources they are going to struggle to justify the price...fingers crossed a stronger government will step up and get a grip of what really matters to the public, but I fesr it won't be this decade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they will eventually once energy becomes cheaper again…. Then competition starts again…. Will prices go back to what they were then probably not but the pressure will ease

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Electric

Gas

Food

Fuel "

Petrol at my local Tesco is down from 169p/l to 159p/l in recent weeks. I noticed immediately on the gauge that it had made a decent difference. £25 filled the tank a lot more than it did weeks ago.

I've noticed that what they've been saying about E10 seems to be accurate in my own experiences, as the same journeys seem to use up far more petrol than they used to.

I could get to Middlesbrough and back without the pointer moving more than a tiny bit, but since they messed with E10 it goes down about an eighth of a tank for a round trip to Boro.

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By *reenleavesCouple
over a year ago

North Wales

They will but very slowly and grudgingly. We've shown that we're able to pay for the various things, at the sacrifice of all non-essential and our savings. They don't care that it cripples us, only that they can extract the absolute maximum.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie "

Smart meters are dangerous in some ways. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

They will probably increase but like any economic cycle will eventually stabilise and competition will hopefully push some down again though that could take a while. Wecjave been lucky to be able to enjoy lots of good bargains in this country for many years and hopefully we will again. In the meantime I am genuinely sad at how some people have to struggle to make ends meet and resort to food banks etc. Even those who had a comfortable lifestyle are struggling and cutting down.

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By *oupleforxtrafunCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

The markets about to crash in stocks and shares and housing, so that will cause most things to crash in price

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Electricity, eventually, once the government rebuilds storage capacity and European power decouples from Russia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no

its if they stabilize its a pause not reset...

fuel has come down a bit bit it won't go back to 1.40 a litre.."
1.40 it was 1.25 before this insanity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Honestly.

All the while Ofcom allow these companies to screw us over then they will have a legitimate excuse to keep price increase...however with the phasing out of fossil fuels to more renewable sources they are going to struggle to justify the price...fingers crossed a stronger government will step up and get a grip of what really matters to the public, but I fesr it won't be this decade"

Do you mean Ofgem? Ofcom would be for broadcasters and telecoms.

Ofgem were pretty useless when I sent them a complaint, so was Ombudsman Services (Energy), though I did get £50 for E.On Next giving us bad info.

I hate this government, but in this instance they've done more for us in terms of energy than Ofgem and OS(E), the ones who are supposed to regulate all of this. In fact it was Ofgem who changed to rules to let them increase the prices every three months rather than six. Whilst that means they could come down earlier, the changed the rule at a time that it was obvious that they were only going to go up for the foreseeable future.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"Electric

Gas

Food

Fuel

Petrol at my local Tesco is down from 169p/l to 159p/l in recent weeks. I noticed immediately on the gauge that it had made a decent difference. £25 filled the tank a lot more than it did weeks ago.

I've noticed that what they've been saying about E10 seems to be accurate in my own experiences, as the same journeys seem to use up far more petrol than they used to.

I could get to Middlesbrough and back without the pointer moving more than a tiny bit, but since they messed with E10 it goes down about an eighth of a tank for a round trip to Boro."

I am not really good with that kind of stuff but I with you on this. It definitely seems to use more for the same journey and of course its also more expensive so it's a double whammy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie "

Our monthly payments already more than doubled and they are asking for another 25% beyond a joke honestly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no

its if they stabilize its a pause not reset...

fuel has come down a bit bit it won't go back to 1.40 a litre..1.40 it was 1.25 before this insanity

"

I remember when it was 102p/l in like 2007/8 and diesel was less than a quid per litre.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Our monthly payments already more than doubled and they are asking for another 25% beyond a joke honestly "

It could up to double again in April, unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I keep getting letter to change my meter to a smart meter but I haven't bothered. Is it worth changing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no

its if they stabilize its a pause not reset...

fuel has come down a bit bit it won't go back to 1.40 a litre..1.40 it was 1.25 before this insanity

I remember when it was 102p/l in like 2007/8 and diesel was less than a quid per litre."

on the a68 at the border there is an old abandoned station

.. 92p/litre

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I used yo pay around £100 to fill up with diesel and now it's over £130

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Our monthly payments already more than doubled and they are asking for another 25% beyond a joke honestly

It could up to double again in April, unfortunately."

If it does I will def not be able pay that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no

its if they stabilize its a pause not reset...

fuel has come down a bit bit it won't go back to 1.40 a litre..1.40 it was 1.25 before this insanity

I remember when it was 102p/l in like 2007/8 and diesel was less than a quid per litre.

on the a68 at the border there is an old abandoned station

.. 92p/litre"

Very surprised it's not been turned into a car wash.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no

its if they stabilize its a pause not reset...

fuel has come down a bit bit it won't go back to 1.40 a litre..1.40 it was 1.25 before this insanity

I remember when it was 102p/l in like 2007/8 and diesel was less than a quid per litre.

on the a68 at the border there is an old abandoned station

.. 92p/litre

Very surprised it's not been turned into a car wash."

or flats

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Our monthly payments already more than doubled and they are asking for another 25% beyond a joke honestly

It could up to double again in April, unfortunately.

If it does I will def not be able pay that "

They're saying it might go up until 2024. Help ends for the vast majority in April.

I think a breaking point will come for a lot of people.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Our monthly payments already more than doubled and they are asking for another 25% beyond a joke honestly

It could up to double again in April, unfortunately.

If it does I will def not be able pay that "

Not many people would be able to. The problem is that the cap is not really a cap on what you pay, its just an average and therefore some people whose homes are not well insulated or need to keep heating on because of medical issues or work from home or are elderly etc will pay more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Our monthly payments already more than doubled and they are asking for another 25% beyond a joke honestly

It could up to double again in April, unfortunately.

If it does I will def not be able pay that

They're saying it might go up until 2024. Help ends for the vast majority in April.

I think a breaking point will come for a lot of people."

Lots of people I’ve spoken too already at the limit so any more increases will hit very hard

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Our monthly payments already more than doubled and they are asking for another 25% beyond a joke honestly

It could up to double again in April, unfortunately.

If it does I will def not be able pay that

Not many people would be able to. The problem is that the cap is not really a cap on what you pay, its just an average and therefore some people whose homes are not well insulated or need to keep heating on because of medical issues or work from home or are elderly etc will pay more. "

Yes. The only reason my bills haven't risen is because I've cut my usage to the bone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No. They went up and we paid anyway. they will never go back to where they were.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At some point we will be hearing of people dying of the cold in their homes

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester


"Electric

Gas

Food

Fuel "
yes I do otherwise my landlord won't turn heating on and I'll freeze to death

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

Food needs to go up more or at least what farmers and growers get paid does, right now many of us are loosing money fast!!

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"At some point we will be hearing of people dying of the cold in their homes "

I was about to say that the physical and mental impact this will have on people is enormous. Straight after covid thrown into this economic abyss

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By *hapLeedsMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Nope, this is the new normal, we’re all fucked from now onwards

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Anyway I am going to start a cake thread before I get depressed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Food too cheap still farmers really struggling, supermarkets whack up their prices but don't pass them down the chain. Eggs are just the tip of the iceberg in shortages. Egg supplies down to higher production costs not bird flu ime in business to make money have no moral obligation to produce at a loss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think they will get to where these prices are the norm and enjoy the extra generated taxes too much to bring em down

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By *hapLeedsMan
over a year ago

Leeds

Yey, we all love cake

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

No. What will happen instead is we will use far less in the future until wages rise to the point it feels cheap again. It’s already beginning to happen there is a big shift to heating the person not the space and to heating only the spaces being used. Also people are learning to cook

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By *olden PoleMan
over a year ago

Kent

Did anyone else see a few months back that BP were blatantly open about their 7billion pound profit.

If they even halved that profit margin, that would still be quite an achievement and cut out fuel bills. If the gas and electric suppliers did the same then surely the cost of living rip off (it’s not a crisis it’s a rip off piss take and we the “great British public” stand for it) would ease a bit.

Let me tell you a quick story. I was posted in Portugal for a bit in the mid 90’s. There’s a bridge called Pont d’ April which connects Lisbon to Costa De Capirica. The government wanted to increase the toll from one Escudo to two. The people were having none of it and blocked the bridge in protest. I watched in fascination and some Portuguese lads said that the special police would get involved and the people would be sorry. The SP did come but the people stood too and the government not only backed down but also made the bridge free for the remaining summer as an apology to the people. The moral of the story is - why the fuck don’t we stand up and fight for a change instead of moaning it’s a crisis and getting by. Heat or eat? Old folk not knowing if they are going to survive the winter….for fucks sake think about it!!

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By *hors fantasyCouple
over a year ago

Blackpool

Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it"

At last a common sense post

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"Yey, we all love cake "

We do but you still not gone on the cake thread to declare your love for it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Smart meters are dangerous in some ways. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me "

We have advised my dad against having one installed because we know he'd turn his heating off. He's already lighting fires (at 95 years of age) and carrying coal through the house.

The anxiety smart meters cause possibly outweighs the benefits in some cases

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We talking price or affordability?

One invariable fact of growing up is prices change. I remember my stepdad scoffing at not pay 99.9p per litre of diesel as it was a ripoff.

When I started work full time in 2002 the national minimum wage the rate was something like £4.50, now it’s over double that.

When I learnt to drive in 2004 it was £4.70 and fuel was something like 77.9p for unleaded.

In 2022 unleaded fuel is (roughly) 160.9p per litre. Minimum wage is £9.50. Both have just over doubled. Petrol prices are just as affordable.

So will things get cheaper?? As long as we, the people, keep getting increased rates of pay then no.

Will things get more affordable? Yes. As fuel (gas / petroleum products / electric) becomes more available their price might stabilise.

That’s how a growth economy works.

I honestly would be more worried if all those prices crashed rapidly, as somewhere down the line it means the high wages can no longer be afforded, so pay cuts or layoffs would be on the cards.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No I don't. The best we can hope for is wages rise up.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Smart meters are dangerous in some ways. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me

We have advised my dad against having one installed because we know he'd turn his heating off. He's already lighting fires (at 95 years of age) and carrying coal through the house.

The anxiety smart meters cause possibly outweighs the benefits in some cases"

I have no idea when it was installed, it just was. He won't have understood at the time, I imagine and no matter how much you ask for organisations to liaise with family members, they don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Smart meters are dangerous in some ways. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me "

This is what worries Me Too! I believe more people are going to die out of fear than necessity.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


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fuel has come down a bit bit it won't go back to 1.40 a litre.."

Might do. Often does in winter but you can bet your life it will go back up in time for Mothering Sunday..

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it"

So you think that in some jobs, people who work full time deserve to live in poverty?

I'd rather cap executive pay at 500% of what the least paid person makes. Can't afford to pay your people a fifth of what you think you deserve to run a business? You can't afford to run a business. Fuck off and get a real job - I hear Tesco are hiring.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Smart meters are dangerous in some ways. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me

We have advised my dad against having one installed because we know he'd turn his heating off. He's already lighting fires (at 95 years of age) and carrying coal through the house.

The anxiety smart meters cause possibly outweighs the benefits in some cases

I have no idea when it was installed, it just was. He won't have understood at the time, I imagine and no matter how much you ask for organisations to liaise with family members, they don't. "

The trouble is that although I tell my dad frequently that he's got £67 a month coming in from the govt and another £600 in total winter fuel payment he *still* worries about the cost of heating. We have access to his on line fuel account and keep an eye on the cost and submit his meter readings but we don't tell him how much he's using as long as his account stays in credit.

Not to put too fine a point on it. He's nearly 96, saving money on heating is a pointless exercise

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"My services are free...I flatly refuse to lower my price "

I don't need competition, thanks!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it

So you think that in some jobs, people who work full time deserve to live in poverty?

I'd rather cap executive pay at 500% of what the least paid person makes. Can't afford to pay your people a fifth of what you think you deserve to run a business? You can't afford to run a business. Fuck off and get a real job - I hear Tesco are hiring."

You do make me smile

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Smart meters are dangerous in some ways. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me

We have advised my dad against having one installed because we know he'd turn his heating off. He's already lighting fires (at 95 years of age) and carrying coal through the house.

The anxiety smart meters cause possibly outweighs the benefits in some cases

I have no idea when it was installed, it just was. He won't have understood at the time, I imagine and no matter how much you ask for organisations to liaise with family members, they don't.

The trouble is that although I tell my dad frequently that he's got £67 a month coming in from the govt and another £600 in total winter fuel payment he *still* worries about the cost of heating. We have access to his on line fuel account and keep an eye on the cost and submit his meter readings but we don't tell him how much he's using as long as his account stays in credit.

Not to put too fine a point on it. He's nearly 96, saving money on heating is a pointless exercise "

My Dad has been convinced that the higher bills are representative of a problem with his heating system and will ring heating repairers to come out etc. I can't stop him doing that

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it

So you think that in some jobs, people who work full time deserve to live in poverty?

I'd rather cap executive pay at 500% of what the least paid person makes. Can't afford to pay your people a fifth of what you think you deserve to run a business? You can't afford to run a business. Fuck off and get a real job - I hear Tesco are hiring.

You do make me smile "

Ta. It is nice to think about a world where business can get done without selfish worthless cunts exploiting people and sponging off the state (because their employees need to rely on welfare to survive).

Unfortunately our government supports these selfish worthless cunts - they're probably brethren and get kickbacks from them.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Smart meters are dangerous in some ways. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me

We have advised my dad against having one installed because we know he'd turn his heating off. He's already lighting fires (at 95 years of age) and carrying coal through the house.

The anxiety smart meters cause possibly outweighs the benefits in some cases

I have no idea when it was installed, it just was. He won't have understood at the time, I imagine and no matter how much you ask for organisations to liaise with family members, they don't.

The trouble is that although I tell my dad frequently that he's got £67 a month coming in from the govt and another £600 in total winter fuel payment he *still* worries about the cost of heating. We have access to his on line fuel account and keep an eye on the cost and submit his meter readings but we don't tell him how much he's using as long as his account stays in credit.

Not to put too fine a point on it. He's nearly 96, saving money on heating is a pointless exercise

My Dad has been convinced that the higher bills are representative of a problem with his heating system and will ring heating repairers to come out etc. I can't stop him doing that "

Bloody hell!

Oddly my dad's heating keeps kicking out. The last repairer showed him how to get it started again, this involves him getting on the floor and reaching under the gas fire. I would like to be there next time a repair man calls and ask what the f*****g, b*****y, b******s he thinks he's f**"*g doing not repairing it and leaving a 95 year old to crawl all over the b******ing floor. I'm slightly miffed about it...

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By *hedark_knightMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Electric

Gas

Food

Fuel "

I’m no economist but generally whenever the price of things go up…they generally don’t ever come down. They aren’t affected by the laws of gravity.

I also believe as profits aren’t affected it means there’s no incentive to drop prices.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Had this exact same conversation couple of days ago. They may come down little bit but not back to where they were. Don’t know about others but we’ve not been putting heating on much as our smart meter scares us at the moment

Our smart meter is like a horror movie

Smart meters are dangerous in some ways. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me

We have advised my dad against having one installed because we know he'd turn his heating off. He's already lighting fires (at 95 years of age) and carrying coal through the house.

The anxiety smart meters cause possibly outweighs the benefits in some cases

I have no idea when it was installed, it just was. He won't have understood at the time, I imagine and no matter how much you ask for organisations to liaise with family members, they don't.

The trouble is that although I tell my dad frequently that he's got £67 a month coming in from the govt and another £600 in total winter fuel payment he *still* worries about the cost of heating. We have access to his on line fuel account and keep an eye on the cost and submit his meter readings but we don't tell him how much he's using as long as his account stays in credit.

Not to put too fine a point on it. He's nearly 96, saving money on heating is a pointless exercise

My Dad has been convinced that the higher bills are representative of a problem with his heating system and will ring heating repairers to come out etc. I can't stop him doing that

Bloody hell!

Oddly my dad's heating keeps kicking out. The last repairer showed him how to get it started again, this involves him getting on the floor and reaching under the gas fire. I would like to be there next time a repair man calls and ask what the f*****g, b*****y, b******s he thinks he's f**"*g doing not repairing it and leaving a 95 year old to crawl all over the b******ing floor. I'm slightly miffed about it..."

I can see why!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it

So you think that in some jobs, people who work full time deserve to live in poverty?

I'd rather cap executive pay at 500% of what the least paid person makes. Can't afford to pay your people a fifth of what you think you deserve to run a business? You can't afford to run a business. Fuck off and get a real job - I hear Tesco are hiring.

You do make me smile

Ta. It is nice to think about a world where business can get done without selfish worthless cunts exploiting people and sponging off the state (because their employees need to rely on welfare to survive).

Unfortunately our government supports these selfish worthless cunts - they're probably brethren and get kickbacks from them."

No you make me smile

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it

So you think that in some jobs, people who work full time deserve to live in poverty?

I'd rather cap executive pay at 500% of what the least paid person makes. Can't afford to pay your people a fifth of what you think you deserve to run a business? You can't afford to run a business. Fuck off and get a real job - I hear Tesco are hiring.

You do make me smile

Ta. It is nice to think about a world where business can get done without selfish worthless cunts exploiting people and sponging off the state (because their employees need to rely on welfare to survive).

Unfortunately our government supports these selfish worthless cunts - they're probably brethren and get kickbacks from them.

No you make me smile "

So you said. You're most welcome.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I think a lot will depend on our energy policy going forward. However as long as we can get back to a peace time level of security and stability I have no doubt Capitalism will do what it does best and find a way of mass producing stuff as cheaply as possible. And this drive will innovate ways to either bring down energy cost or use. Then we can all go back to a life of cheap shit and lots of it while the only people getting it rough deal are hidden in off lands being exploited for this to happen.

So in short I think yes it's actuality quite possible once things clam down.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"

.. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me

..."

I've just realised that with that government grant and my winter fuel payment taken into account, the less I actually heat the house the more I get to keep.

What's not to like about that?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"

.. My Dad doesn't understand that the unit price for energy has massively increased since last winter. He's comparing his daily usage with bills from last year and worrying about the cost. He might therefore not use his heating, yet he has also received the Govt payment and therefore can afford it (just about). It worries me

...

I've just realised that with that government grant and my winter fuel payment taken into account, the less I actually heat the house the more I get to keep.

What's not to like about that?"

Being cold when you could be warm?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"

I've just realised that with that government grant and my winter fuel payment taken into account, the less I actually heat the house the more I get to keep.

What's not to like about that?

Being cold when you could be warm?"

Not a problem. I wear a fibre pile top and warm joggers. Every so often I send a short blast from a hair dryer on the low setting (max 20 seconds) down my neck or into my loins.

Ingenuity made the British survivors.

Don't underestimate the psychological benefit to your health of knowing that you are beating the bastards!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"

I've just realised that with that government grant and my winter fuel payment taken into account, the less I actually heat the house the more I get to keep.

What's not to like about that?

Being cold when you could be warm?

Not a problem. I wear a fibre pile top and warm joggers. Every so often I send a short blast from a hair dryer on the low setting (max 20 seconds) down my neck or into my loins.

Ingenuity made the British survivors.

Don't underestimate the psychological benefit to your health of knowing that you are beating the bastards!"

If that's winning I'd sooner lose thanks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I think they will get to where these prices are the norm and enjoy the extra generated taxes too much to bring em down "

Hmm

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By *ose and her beastCouple
over a year ago

Watford

Nope

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By *ornyltlfkrMan
over a year ago

Wolverhampton

I think that UK. France and Germany have invested heavily in home grown power. The benefits this should start to filter through mid to late next year

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No I don't. The best we can hope for is wages rise up. "

Imagine being a sales person and asking for more

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Electric

Gas

Food

Fuel

I’m no economist but generally whenever the price of things go up…they generally don’t ever come down. They aren’t affected by the laws of gravity.

I also believe as profits aren’t affected it means there’s no incentive to drop prices. "

Yeah good points

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By *elsh_naturist_coupleCouple
over a year ago

Newport

Not a chance.

It's not in the government interest. Inflation helps fills the treasury coffers. It can't make enough money from upping taxes alone to pay off government debts.

British governments don't do long term planning either so schemes and infrastructure that could help pay back debt take to long or require vision and investment to get it done and they prefer it to be funded privately.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Not a chance.

It's not in the government interest. Inflation helps fills the treasury coffers. It can't make enough money from upping taxes alone to pay off government debts.

British governments don't do long term planning either so schemes and infrastructure that could help pay back debt take to long or require vision and investment to get it done and they prefer it to be funded privately. "

The problem with politics is that it's by nature short term. PMs and cabinets can disappear literally overnight. Even long term plans can be ripped up by the next incumbent PM or next party in charge. This is why having really key things like health and education linked to politics is stupid. These are key to people's lives and shouldn't be political footballs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

House prices are falling apparently.... Inflation will bite harder soon

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Nope. They'll freeze them, like they're doing us a favour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really hope fuel does.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Nope. They'll freeze them, like they're doing us a favour.

"

Yep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ask Lesley Crowther, is the price right?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"House prices are falling apparently.... Inflation will bite harder soon"

I thought they were going up

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By *hors fantasyCouple
over a year ago

Blackpool


"Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it

So you think that in some jobs, people who work full time deserve to live in poverty?

I'd rather cap executive pay at 500% of what the least paid person makes. Can't afford to pay your people a fifth of what you think you deserve to run a business? You can't afford to run a business. Fuck off and get a real job - I hear Tesco are hiring."

Explain to me how that’s encouraging poverty an increase in min wage = an increase in the costs of everything else therefore you do no see an increase how much money you have if everything cost more to buy

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nope, and this constant obsession with raising the minimum wage helps nobody, if minimum wage was half what it is now good would cost half what they do, if min wage went up to £20 every thing double, the only people to benefit from a higher wage are the ones that get the taxes from it

So you think that in some jobs, people who work full time deserve to live in poverty?

I'd rather cap executive pay at 500% of what the least paid person makes. Can't afford to pay your people a fifth of what you think you deserve to run a business? You can't afford to run a business. Fuck off and get a real job - I hear Tesco are hiring.

Explain to me how that’s encouraging poverty an increase in min wage = an increase in the costs of everything else therefore you do no see an increase how much money you have if everything cost more to buy "

Exactly, and small businesses are struggling enough as it is without further increased costs....Raise of minimum wage could push people into unemployment if they can't afford to pay staff.

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

I hope that at least the basics come down.

But as someone said...if profits aren't hit, then I can't see it either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuel may slightly by a few pence, house prices are falling but for items such as food and electric, nope, they won't come down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"no

its if they stabilize its a pause not reset...

fuel has come down a bit bit it won't go back to 1.40 a litre.."

I got some at 149.7 yesterday.

If Sterling strengthens a little against the Dollar the price will come down a little

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

House prices might be coming down but the rise in mortgage interest rates outweighs any benefit and doesn't help anyone who's already bought

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

No and if this brexit nonsense continues and food shortages start having more of an impact prices will continue to rise. Noticed that more and more items are often sold out these days?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Last time I looked cars had shot up by thousands! on pounds!

Infact some cost more now than they were making a couple of years ago

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

No. And most of the shareholders who make money on dividends absolutely do not want to see prices come down because it'll harm their dividends. CEO's considering price reductions are going to be looking for new jobs if they take that angle.

There is plenty more squeezing to be done, unfortunately (or fortunately if you are a shareholder).

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By *oob suckerMan
over a year ago

woking

I agree. I have a business and I’m looking at spring, I can’t afford to increase salaries, everyone is asking and I can’t. All my suppliers have increased their pricing. I have always paid above minimal wage by the way. I think it’s a recession already, I really don’t know if I’ll still be trading in a few months. It’s a really tough time. I did hear from an importer that costs for importing with containers of goods is sharply dropping so that’s a good thing. Cheaper costs for importing will help bring prices down for everyone. But that’s only one part of the problem. I think next year some. Things will be cheaper. Jumpers it is!!

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By *ornydppsMan
over a year ago

plymouth

If everyone and i mean everyone done a protest saying we won't pay there prices and refused to pay then they would do something

Just like clapping for the nhs every Thursday night

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Energy derived from fossil fuels will be increasingly costly, but from renewable sources will decrease as technology improves and efficiency increases.

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

The biggest problem with goods . Most are now produced in China or have most components manufactured there. Hence costs going up . Food is nearly same. Increase in transport fuel costs . Increases prices to UK

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By *an2man2021Man
over a year ago

Stourbridge

Yes eventually come down when China's back on its feet and Russia's on its knees... shan't hold my breath though..

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By *oupleforxtrafunCouple
over a year ago

Nottingham

No definitely not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they won’t. That is it now, things will just keep going up!

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

While companies make huge extra profits from this crisis, they will not come down. Although fuel might just a little.

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield


"No and if this brexit nonsense continues and food shortages start having more of an impact prices will continue to rise. Noticed that more and more items are often sold out these days?"

We’ve made ourselves difficult (and therefore expensive) to trade with and simultaneously buggered our economy so the exchange rate has tanked.

I guess we just need to adjust to a lower standard of living, like in the 1970s.

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

Car & home heating fuel prices are dropping in Ireland

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope not a chance

Look in to they profits it’s all bs

They make record brake profits

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-power-rakes-924-million-28114697.amp

And that was before the second price up

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands


"Last time I looked cars had shot up by thousands! on pounds!

Infact some cost more now than they were making a couple of years ago "

My daughter bought a New Mini Cooper S Hybrid 4wd Countryman a year ago, the supplying dealer has contacted her twice to see if she will sell it back to them for the same price that she paid for it.She has declined their offer.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Doubtful. Wages will catch up negating the prices increases. But it will take time. Once the genie is out the bottle, inflation is hard to contain.

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By *osaint1971Couple
over a year ago

Near Taunton

There are two ways to combat inflation.

You can increase supply , which is difficult or you can decrease demand by making everyone poor.

Guess which one they chose.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Last time I looked cars had shot up by thousands! on pounds!

Infact some cost more now than they were making a couple of years ago

My daughter bought a New Mini Cooper S Hybrid 4wd Countryman a year ago, the supplying dealer has contacted her twice to see if she will sell it back to them for the same price that she paid for it.She has declined their offer."

Imagine what they would ask her for a new one !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Annual deflation will never happen. Remember the rate of inflation is month by month increase in cost from the previous year. It does not go backwards. The costs are here to stay

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By *oah VailMan
over a year ago

Dover

If you can weather the storm, inflation is probably the single biggest factor in driving up individual wealth for normal people, because when wages eventually (and inevitably) catch up it has the effect of reducing debt.

Doesn’t make the tough times easier, but it is a glimmer of a silver lining…

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By *oah VailMan
over a year ago

Dover


"Last time I looked cars had shot up by thousands! on pounds!

Infact some cost more now than they were making a couple of years ago

My daughter bought a New Mini Cooper S Hybrid 4wd Countryman a year ago, the supplying dealer has contacted her twice to see if she will sell it back to them for the same price that she paid for it.She has declined their offer.

Imagine what they would ask her for a new one !"

The car I bought last year from a main dealer now books for £5K more than I paid for it, despite now being three years old and having the extra mileage on it. To buy another year old one with low mileage would cost me £10k more than I paid last year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Since when prices ever gone down on anything ?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Last time I looked cars had shot up by thousands! on pounds!

Infact some cost more now than they were making a couple of years ago

My daughter bought a New Mini Cooper S Hybrid 4wd Countryman a year ago, the supplying dealer has contacted her twice to see if she will sell it back to them for the same price that she paid for it.She has declined their offer.

Imagine what they would ask her for a new one !

The car I bought last year from a main dealer now books for £5K more than I paid for it, despite now being three years old and having the extra mileage on it. To buy another year old one with low mileage would cost me £10k more than I paid last year. "

Yeah if new prices stay up and used car prices come down, it's a bad state of affairs

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Since when prices ever gone down on anything ? "

I can't remember them ever going up so much and so quickly

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby

like somebody said to me at work the other day to be like this In this day and age Is appalling, lots of Investment aimed at technology which generally speaking Is aimed In the wrong direction and not In the areas ( that really matter )

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By *he_Secret_GardenWoman
over a year ago

Naughty Lane


"Electric

Gas

Food

Fuel "

Nope...cant see that happening.

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By *arpiliusMan
over a year ago

leeds

Once prices rise they very rarely come down, fuel might but food, community charges, rail fares, buses other everyday essentials won’t..??

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