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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

A knob who is running for council office near us is quoted as saying...

“Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.”

He went on to say that Downs kids were a drain on the NHS and cuts were needed ' I'm sick and tired of hearing people saying we should cut managers in the NHS'

The rest of his personal manifesto seems to attempt to offend everyone.

I hope he wins,my local council will have to publish his address

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"A knob who is running for council office near us is quoted as saying...

“Consider compulsory abortion when the foetus is detected as having Downs, Spina Bifida or similar syndrome which, if it is born, will render the child a burden on the state as well as on the family.”

He went on to say that Downs kids were a drain on the NHS and cuts were needed ' I'm sick and tired of hearing people saying we should cut managers in the NHS'

The rest of his personal manifesto seems to attempt to offend everyone.

I hope he wins,my local council will have to publish his address"

Ah - reminds me of the eugenics programs in Germany in the 1930s. Now, who remembers where that path led to? Hm?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I shall assume that these are his own personal views as opposed to a published manifesto by UKIP ?

It may well be worth forwarding his manifesto to UKIP central to get their views on it.

It seems very odd that a candidate for a increasingly mainstream party would publish, with central authority, a manifesto that is evidently going to be contentious, contraversial and unlikely to be a vote winner.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I shall assume that these are his own personal views as opposed to a published manifesto by UKIP ?

It may well be worth forwarding his manifesto to UKIP central to get their views on it.

It seems very odd that a candidate for a increasingly mainstream party would publish, with central authority, a manifesto that is evidently going to be contentious, contraversial and unlikely to be a vote winner."

UKIP are almost as right wing as the BNP - they are just better at dressing it up as being 'mainstream'.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I shall assume that these are his own personal views as opposed to a published manifesto by UKIP ?

It may well be worth forwarding his manifesto to UKIP central to get their views on it.

It seems very odd that a candidate for a increasingly mainstream party would publish, with central authority, a manifesto that is evidently going to be contentious, contraversial and unlikely to be a vote winner."

actually they just suspended him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I shall assume that these are his own personal views as opposed to a published manifesto by UKIP ?

It may well be worth forwarding his manifesto to UKIP central to get their views on it.

It seems very odd that a candidate for a increasingly mainstream party would publish, with central authority, a manifesto that is evidently going to be contentious, contraversial and unlikely to be a vote winner.

actually they just suspended him"

I don't find that surprising at all.

If they are to capaitalise on becoming more mainstream and push the Lib Dems down the pecking order, they need to steer themselves away from the image they have obtained, whilst retaining the values and policies that are obviously attractive to some members of the electorate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I shall assume that these are his own personal views as opposed to a published manifesto by UKIP ?

It may well be worth forwarding his manifesto to UKIP central to get their views on it.

It seems very odd that a candidate for a increasingly mainstream party would publish, with central authority, a manifesto that is evidently going to be contentious, contraversial and unlikely to be a vote winner.

actually they just suspended him"

He should be suspended by his balls....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I shall assume that these are his own personal views as opposed to a published manifesto by UKIP ?

It may well be worth forwarding his manifesto to UKIP central to get their views on it.

It seems very odd that a candidate for a increasingly mainstream party would publish, with central authority, a manifesto that is evidently going to be contentious, contraversial and unlikely to be a vote winner.

actually they just suspended him

He should be suspended by his balls...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't compare UKIP and the BNP. That's horribly unfair. Also BNP are a far left party, calling them far right makes it easy to associate them with legitimate right wing organisations like UKIP. (Which is exactly why they are referred to as right wing by the press!) I also can't believe that's official UKIP policy but the rants of an absolute nutter.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Don't compare UKIP and the BNP. That's horribly unfair. Also BNP are a far left party, calling them far right makes it easy to associate them with legitimate right wing organisations like UKIP. (Which is exactly why they are referred to as right wing by the press!) I also can't believe that's official UKIP policy but the rants of an absolute nutter. "

The philosophy of the BNP stems from the philosophy of Joseph de Maistre. An Ultra Conservative..A right Winger

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Don't compare UKIP and the BNP. That's horribly unfair. Also BNP are a far left party, calling them far right makes it easy to associate them with legitimate right wing organisations like UKIP. (Which is exactly why they are referred to as right wing by the press!) I also can't believe that's official UKIP policy but the rants of an absolute nutter. "

I think you mean the BNP are far right - far left are more your communists. BNP are diametrically opposite to that.

I still say that UKIP are just BNP with better PR. But that is just my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago

What an absolute ignorant cockhead

How does someone like that even get considered in the first place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to disagree. The BNP have a lot of socialist policies. On a simple level, Right wing politics are not about groups of people. They are about the individual. The BNP would give way too much power to the state for a right wind party.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What an absolute ignorant cockhead

How does someone like that even get considered in the first place "

How does someone like that even remember to breathe.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

He also said this about the Koran..

"What sensible person believes that stupidity today? Anyone who does believe it today must be a scumbag and must be told so. Stop being squeamish about telling scumbags that they are scumbags, just because they happen to be Muslim scumbags."

That could be a big mistake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What an absolute ignorant cockhead

How does someone like that even get considered in the first place "

Alas, being a cockhead doesn't prevent you from being considered as a councillor.

You could be a Councillor if . . .

you are 18 years or over, OR

you are a Commonwealth citizen, a citizen of the Republic of Ireland or a citizen of another Member State of the European Community

AND

you are a local government elector for your local authority area, OR

you are an owner or tenant of any land / premises in the local authority area and lived here for a minimum of 12 months OR

the local authority area is your principal or only place of work and has been for a 12-month period or more.

You can NOT be a Councillor if you . . .

already work for the Local Authority or hold a politically restricted post in another Authority

are an undischarged bankrupt

have been sentenced to a term of imprisonment

have been disqualified under any enactment relating to corrupt or illegal practices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Racist party's aside I find it hard to believe that anyone would agree either a statement like that about downs children.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

and on gay marraige...

"The Greens are very much in favour of it, as many of them live in Brighton."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and on gay marraige...

"The Greens are very much in favour of it, as many of them live in Brighton." "

That made me LOL.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"and on gay marraige...

"The Greens are very much in favour of it, as many of them live in Brighton."

That made me LOL.

"

it shouldn't.. he said..

I am proactively opposed to Same Sex Marriage, which is an abhorrence.

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By *olfcartweaselCouple
over a year ago

Melrose


"Don't compare UKIP and the BNP. That's horribly unfair. Also BNP are a far left party, calling them far right makes it easy to associate them with legitimate right wing organisations like UKIP. (Which is exactly why they are referred to as right wing by the press!) I also can't believe that's official UKIP policy but the rants of an absolute nutter.

I think you mean the BNP are far right - far left are more your communists. BNP are diametrically opposite to that.

I still say that UKIP are just BNP with better PR. But that is just my opinion."

It's hard to accurately portray a party's political leanings with a simple "left/right" split.

An almost-as-simple measure is the "political compass" which grades parties on two things - social and economic policies. "left" and "right" refer to a party's economic principles, with "left" meaning strong state control and "right" meaning private sector only. as well as that is the scale for social principles - libertarian for "whatever you want" and authoritarian for "do as we say".

On that principle, the BNP *are* to the left of the Lib Dems, Tories, UKIP, and Labour, since they advocate for renationalization of many key infrastructures, whereas UKIP are far right (equally to the Tories) in their belief that private businesses should take care of everything. The BNP are much more authoritarian than any of the other parties, with their beliefs that their way is the only way on any matters of moral or social behaviour.

The naming problem is when parties which are economically "far right" are associated with parties which are highly authoritarian, when the opposite might be true. There is often a correlation, but not always. As a result, UKIP and the BNP are lumped together because they're both fairly authoritarian and both founded on principles of jingoism, but it's entirely inaccurate to call them both "right wing" when the BNP is in reality economically more left wing than Labour.

See also http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay


"I have to disagree. The BNP have a lot of socialist policies. On a simple level, Right wing politics are not about groups of people. They are about the individual. The BNP would give way too much power to the state for a right wind party. "

We are talking about the same BNP here are we?....Socialist policies in the BNP?....really?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Racist party's aside I find it hard to believe that anyone would agree either a statement like that about downs children."

As the poster above said, I am sure the German populace did not knowledgeably vote for such actions in the 1930's and 40's

Yet that is exactly what happened - not only in terminating life for 'subhumans' but also in conducting genetic experiments on healthy women and children to understand disabilities better.

Some people still live with the results of this today.

The drug thalidomide had its roots in the Nazi genetic experiments and indeed the company that produced it was well represented and staffed by former Nazi doctors and scientists at the time of its manufacture.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Racist party's aside I find it hard to believe that anyone would agree either a statement like that about downs children.

As the poster above said, I am sure the German populace did not knowledgeably vote for such actions in the 1930's and 40's

Yet that is exactly what happened - not only in terminating life for 'subhumans' but also in conducting genetic experiments on healthy women and children to understand disabilities better.

Some people still live with the results of this today.

The drug thalidomide had its roots in the Nazi genetic experiments and indeed the company that produced it was well represented and staffed by former Nazi doctors and scientists at the time of its manufacture.

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The German public absolutely voted in the National Socialist Party in 1933 and there was a lot of right wing propaganda about such things in cinemas and newspapers (Der Sturmer?) at the time. The knowingly voted for it. In fact, the T4 program to eliminate 'undesirable elements' of society, including the mentally disabled, was well underway by the 1940s.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

if the BNP's social policies are nationalistic wouldn't it be easier to just call themselves the National Socialist Party?...

Oh,someone beat em to it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"He also said this about the Koran..

"What sensible person believes that stupidity today? Anyone who does believe it today must be a scumbag and must be told so. Stop being squeamish about telling scumbags that they are scumbags, just because they happen to be Muslim scumbags."

That could be a big mistake"

That is unbelievable! So is this just an anti islam rant or is he against all religious readings in which case Christians, are, by his logic scumbags.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Racist party's aside I find it hard to believe that anyone would agree either a statement like that about downs children.

As the poster above said, I am sure the German populace did not knowledgeably vote for such actions in the 1930's and 40's

Yet that is exactly what happened - not only in terminating life for 'subhumans' but also in conducting genetic experiments on healthy women and children to understand disabilities better.

Some people still live with the results of this today.

The drug thalidomide had its roots in the Nazi genetic experiments and indeed the company that produced it was well represented and staffed by former Nazi doctors and scientists at the time of its manufacture.

The German public absolutely voted in the National Socialist Party in 1933 and there was a lot of right wing propaganda about such things in cinemas and newspapers (Der Sturmer?) at the time. The knowingly voted for it. In fact, the T4 program to eliminate 'undesirable elements' of society, including the mentally disabled, was well underway by the 1940s."

But in all fairness, as with many of the Nazi policies, only some were made public knowledge.

I cant swear to it, but I doubt that a public policy to bump off the disabled would have been a vote winner ?

Your knowledge on this area does intrigue me I must admit - it is one period of history that does fascinate me !

Hitler as a leader granted his staff almost carte blanche to do what they wanted to achieve a goal, whilst at the same time playing people off against each other and issuing contradictory orders.

This often left a great deal of personal interpretation on those who reported to him or through the people that did.

In addition, both he and Goebbels were prolific manufacturers of propaganda and manipulating the thruth.

The resultant combination of that (plus other factors) would suggest, to me, that the German population were not subjected to manifestos as direct as the one given above.

But I would be fascinated if you have further info to suggest the contrary.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"He also said this about the Koran..

"What sensible person believes that stupidity today? Anyone who does believe it today must be a scumbag and must be told so. Stop being squeamish about telling scumbags that they are scumbags, just because they happen to be Muslim scumbags."

That could be a big mistake

That is unbelievable! So is this just an anti islam rant or is he against all religious readings in which case Christians, are, by his logic scumbags.

"

Not really..he had a pop at Israel as a nation and also said ". If a Christian church becomes a mosque or a Sikh temple, as has often happened, it is absurd to say - as the 3 failed main parties do say - that this makes no difference to our culture. On the contrary, it completely changes the tone of the area, causes an influx of adherents to those faiths, and causes white flight. White flight has begun in earnest. We must ban the burkha as France has done, as this is a cultural affront to the native population. We must take care not to become a minority in our own country, as is the case in London already, where over 50% of the population is born outside the UK, including 100,000 Egyptians and 100,000 Brazilians. Will the failed 4 failed parties who read these facts finally admit that our native culture is being subsumed in another culture or, even worse, swamped?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

UKIP are abhorrent. They are also very scary. This statement, the commenst about gay adoption and the simple fact that they continue to gain support from dis-enchanted followers of the BNP shows where their ideals stand. But unlike Griffin and his band of idiots, UKIP realise that pretty much a sole policy based on immigration is never going to get anywhere.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

The guy that founded UKIP, Alan Sked, himself later quit the party due to the fact that it was being infiltrated by right wing radicals and racists.....

He founded UKIP on an anti EU ticket, not as a platform for racists and bigots.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

The bloke in the OP. His name's Geoffrey Clarke..I've just discovered his email address

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

He even had a self penned poem on his personal manifesto...

It’s so much like the end of Rome

With all the Roman legions returning home

Permitting Britannia to burn, decay, alone.

But other foreign legions are returning,

Bringing a kind of cancer in their wake;

Cancer not of Britain’s doing, but one that Britons make.

Our present leaders are elected to preside

Over our ancient green and pleasant land

Just to give it all away, to an alien hand.

So this cancer slowly spreads all around us.

Then our empire crashes, near unnoticed.

Must we hand it to the strangers without protest?

Will our children hate us for an absent deed? –

The treachery of which is so apparent?

With marriage killed, what deed is more abhorrent?

First freedom, then glory, and when that fails,

Wealth, vice, corruption. Barbarism at last!

‘Tis but the same rehearsal of the past.

…So do we wait, or do we act?

We must strike out now, and turn the tide,

There is very little more time to wait,

‘Else children will have for us the guilty, nought but hate."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like most politicians, theres always lies....

what makes anyone think that when some believe that one or two races are sub-humans (a reason for my stances on hereditary bloodlines being revered as having no place in modern day society-with the exception of it being a celebrity status) with no right to be living here or indeed mixing with the indigenous white population, that they wont then stop at targeting those who are the most vulnerable in our society(especially if it comes down to genetic problems)., its a survival of the fittest attitude and if ur not fit at birth(being considered defective),then u have no place in their version of a 'utopian' society.

the question is who will win out of themselves...will it be the extremists?(who might claim hitler was right) or the politicians?(who see an easily controllable group of people that wont realize their rights would be shafted by a fascistic state)

ask any of these idiots about the scientists that have achieved great things throughout their lives.One was Jewish, and the other has a severe debilitating illness.

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By (user no longer on site)
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over a year ago


"The bloke in the OP. His name's Geoffrey Clarke..I've just discovered his email address "

Oooeerrrr

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