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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know.." They are like vegans.. They will tell you the drive an electric car | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey "Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......  | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had....... "Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002. | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had....... "Don’t know how people in tower blocks will be able to charge a car | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
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Don’t know how people in tower blocks will be able to charge a car "The vast majority of people in London Can't have home Charging points as the majority of people don't live in a house with a driveway. | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
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Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002."Sssshhhh. ……. You know the rules! Don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant!! | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......
Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002."So when the national grid are looking at paying people to stop using electric because of possible shortages and given that there are far more i.c cars on the road than electric at the moment they are lying? T | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
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Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002.
So when the national grid are looking at paying people to stop using electric because of possible shortages and given that there are far more i.c cars on the road than electric at the moment they are lying?
T"They are paying people not to use it “at peak times”…. Peak time in the uk for electricity is defined as being between 4pm and 9pm Monday to Friday 95% of ev users charge their cars overnight….  | |||
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"As usual the treasury lose taxes and find a way to claw it back by screwing over the gullible who thought they would be road tax free. " Nobody pays road tax. | |||
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"Charging at home is a cool bonus. No-one can fill their petrol cars ar home. It does take a slight change in approach. The timea I've needed to charge "in public" I've done it while shopping, walking the dog, or something else. I've never (Six months in) waited while charging. Just do it frequently. Not when the battery is quarter full or less. " There is a massive difference between taking 5 minutes to fill up your car with petrol or diesel and waiting between 30 minutes and 12 hours depending on how much charge you need. If everybody switched to electric cars there will not be enough charging points to go round. Where we live inside the ULEZ zone Within a one mile radius there is 9 public charging points, The vast majority of people live in blocks of flats or shared accommodation, Those that do have houses don't have driveways. care to explain where everyone is going to charge these cars? | |||
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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know.." They creep along the road so quietly you don't even hear em coming and so expensive to buy, the drivers of electric cars have to be smug  | |||
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"Tom is no fan of smug electrical car drivers but they will shortly have to pay their road tax like the rest of us. It has been all over the news" Quite right | |||
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"Tom is no fan of smug electrical car drivers but they will shortly have to pay their road tax like the rest of us. It has been all over the news Quite right" What I mean is that they should get a reduction, but should still pay road tax. | |||
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"Tom is no fan of smug electrical car drivers but they will shortly have to pay their road tax like the rest of us. It has been all over the news Quite right What I mean is that they should get a reduction, but should still pay road tax." | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......
Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002.
So when the national grid are looking at paying people to stop using electric because of possible shortages and given that there are far more i.c cars on the road than electric at the moment they are lying?
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They are paying people not to use it “at peak times”….
Peak time in the uk for electricity is defined as being between 4pm and 9pm Monday to Friday
95% of ev users charge their cars overnight…."Thats the plan but surely all thats going to happen is the "peak" will be moved later into the night , the electric that wouldn't be consumed between 4 and 9 would be consumed later on unless people decide to make big lifestyle changes. Its a bit like creatuve accounting we can make figures look as good or as bad as we want as long as we know how to manipulate them. T | |||
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"Hybrid driver here (I did not dare to take the plunge into fully electric because of the very long journeys I have to drive). I already pay road tax so would not make any difference but it does improve the air quality in cities for us all, and it helps asthma and COPD sufferers to breathe better... so all for that! " If electric car drivers are like vegans then hybrid drivers are like vegetarians | |||
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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know..They creep along the road so quietly you don't even hear em coming and so expensive to buy, the drivers of electric cars have to be smug "A customer bought a Honda E! from the local dealership, £36k, and was loving it, until the battery failed. No problem, it’s under warranty, we’ll get that sorted for you, here’s a loan vehicle. The E! was 6 months old, and it took 3 months to get the replacement battery, but all sorted in the end, so back to being Mr Smug again 
How much was the battery, I feel you wondering? £19k. Nothing to worry about while your vehicle is in its warranty period, but I imagine you’ll be far less smug outside of it…… | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......
Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002.
So when the national grid are looking at paying people to stop using electric because of possible shortages and given that there are far more i.c cars on the road than electric at the moment they are lying?
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They are paying people not to use it “at peak times”….
Peak time in the uk for electricity is defined as being between 4pm and 9pm Monday to Friday
95% of ev users charge their cars overnight….
Thats the plan but surely all thats going to happen is the "peak" will be moved later into the night , the electric that wouldn't be consumed between 4 and 9 would be consumed later on unless people decide to make big lifestyle changes. Its a bit like creatuve accounting we can make figures look as good or as bad as we want as long as we know how to manipulate them.
T"This is my thinking a bit like the plan to have rolling power cuts if necessary in the Winter in peak hours Between 4 and 7 PM. Surely all that happens is the peak hour's shift from 3 till 4 and then 7 PM to 9 PM. | |||
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"What about cyclists Tom ? We pay nothing but I still use the road, how do you like that. "Bah-dump! Bah-dump! | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......
Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002.
So when the national grid are looking at paying people to stop using electric because of possible shortages and given that there are far more i.c cars on the road than electric at the moment they are lying?
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They are paying people not to use it “at peak times”….
Peak time in the uk for electricity is defined as being between 4pm and 9pm Monday to Friday
95% of ev users charge their cars overnight…."Apart from people like the guy who drives from Morecambe to Penrith every day for work. He charges his vehicle overnight, then has it on charge all day whilst at work, so he can get home.... | |||
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"What about cyclists Tom ? We pay nothing but I still use the road, how do you like that. "He’s still worried about the cats overtaking you. | |||
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"Hybrid driver here (I did not dare to take the plunge into fully electric because of the very long journeys I have to drive). I already pay road tax so would not make any difference but it does improve the air quality in cities for us all, and it helps asthma and COPD sufferers to breathe better... so all for that! If electric car drivers are like vegans then hybrid drivers are like vegetarians " | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......
Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002.
So when the national grid are looking at paying people to stop using electric because of possible shortages and given that there are far more i.c cars on the road than electric at the moment they are lying?
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They are paying people not to use it “at peak times”….
Peak time in the uk for electricity is defined as being between 4pm and 9pm Monday to Friday
95% of ev users charge their cars overnight….
Apart from people like the guy who drives from Morecambe to Penrith every day for work. He charges his vehicle overnight, then has it on charge all day whilst at work, so he can get home.... "So we’re are talking about 19 out of 20 ev people…. And you specifically talk about that 20th guy to make your point!!! So what the point of the discussion if you are going to be talking about the in this case extreme outlier!! | |||
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"I drive electric & diesel car. To be fair the ekec is much more fun to drive, but I still use the diesel now and again. Cost to drive has significantly reduced for me and I'm helping improve air quality " Totally agree with helping the air quality for us all. | |||
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"Last time i drove a electric car i was 6 years old it was made by tyco
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......
Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002.
So when the national grid are looking at paying people to stop using electric because of possible shortages and given that there are far more i.c cars on the road than electric at the moment they are lying?
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They are paying people not to use it “at peak times”….
Peak time in the uk for electricity is defined as being between 4pm and 9pm Monday to Friday
95% of ev users charge their cars overnight….
Apart from people like the guy who drives from Morecambe to Penrith every day for work. He charges his vehicle overnight, then has it on charge all day whilst at work, so he can get home.... "Are ICE people still living under a rock? Most electric cars have 200+ mile range, some have 400+ mile range. Mercedes got their car to do over 600 miles on a single charge. | |||
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"Can’t stand electric car drivers.. I drive a V8 in burning fossil fuel till the day I die ?" I prefer a nice 2 stroke bike, tax exempt and a oil burner to boot. I didn't pay the London low emmissions charge, as it was exempt from that as well. | |||
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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know.. They are like vegans.. They will tell you the drive an electric car" Tom. So rude. I don't have an electric car. Giz a bite of your leg. | |||
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"Charging at home is a cool bonus. No-one can fill their petrol cars ar home. It does take a slight change in approach. The timea I've needed to charge "in public" I've done it while shopping, walking the dog, or something else. I've never (Six months in) waited while charging. Just do it frequently. Not when the battery is quarter full or less. There is a massive difference between taking 5 minutes to fill up your car with petrol or diesel and waiting between 30 minutes and 12 hours depending on how much charge you need. If everybody switched to electric cars there will not be enough charging points to go round. Where we live inside the ULEZ zone Within a one mile radius there is 9 public charging points, The vast majority of people live in blocks of flats or shared accommodation, Those that do have houses don't have driveways. care to explain where everyone is going to charge these cars? " the wider infrastructure can definitely improve. But that can evolve with EV car users. Nothing is going to happen overnight. I can see petrol stations converting from gas plus convenience store, to EV plus coffee shops and work spaces. I'd also expect fast charge to become increasingly fast. We are at the start of the tech. I can't imagine anyone would have imagined we would all be working of laptops if you go back 20 years ago. | |||
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"Charging at home is a cool bonus. No-one can fill their petrol cars ar home. It does take a slight change in approach. The timea I've needed to charge "in public" I've done it while shopping, walking the dog, or something else. I've never (Six months in) waited while charging. Just do it frequently. Not when the battery is quarter full or less. There is a massive difference between taking 5 minutes to fill up your car with petrol or diesel and waiting between 30 minutes and 12 hours depending on how much charge you need. If everybody switched to electric cars there will not be enough charging points to go round. Where we live inside the ULEZ zone Within a one mile radius there is 9 public charging points, The vast majority of people live in blocks of flats or shared accommodation, Those that do have houses don't have driveways. care to explain where everyone is going to charge these cars? the wider infrastructure can definitely improve. But that can evolve with EV car users. Nothing is going to happen overnight. I can see petrol stations converting from gas plus convenience store, to EV plus coffee shops and work spaces. I'd also expect fast charge to become increasingly fast. We are at the start of the tech. I can't imagine anyone would have imagined we would all be working of laptops if you go back 20 years ago. " The "petrol stations" Where you charge your car would have to be huge as it's not just a case of each car there for 5 minutes. I'm not against electric cars but there is massive infrastructure change that will be need and I don't see that happening any time soon enough to make electric cars viable for many people. | |||
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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know.. They are like vegans.. They will tell you the drive an electric car" If enough of them get together it can create a cloud of smug (South Park joke) | |||
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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know.. They are like vegans.. They will tell you the drive an electric car If enough of them get together it can create a cloud of smug (South Park joke)" Very good  | |||
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"There's no such thing as road tax. It was abolished a long long time ago. BTW I'm vegan as well " Its vehicle tax ! | |||
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"Charging at home is a cool bonus. No-one can fill their petrol cars ar home. It does take a slight change in approach. The timea I've needed to charge "in public" I've done it while shopping, walking the dog, or something else. I've never (Six months in) waited while charging. Just do it frequently. Not when the battery is quarter full or less. There is a massive difference between taking 5 minutes to fill up your car with petrol or diesel and waiting between 30 minutes and 12 hours depending on how much charge you need. If everybody switched to electric cars there will not be enough charging points to go round. Where we live inside the ULEZ zone Within a one mile radius there is 9 public charging points, The vast majority of people live in blocks of flats or shared accommodation, Those that do have houses don't have driveways. care to explain where everyone is going to charge these cars? the wider infrastructure can definitely improve. But that can evolve with EV car users. Nothing is going to happen overnight. I can see petrol stations converting from gas plus convenience store, to EV plus coffee shops and work spaces. I'd also expect fast charge to become increasingly fast. We are at the start of the tech. I can't imagine anyone would have imagined we would all be working of laptops if you go back 20 years ago. The "petrol stations" Where you charge your car would have to be huge as it's not just a case of each car there for 5 minutes. I'm not against electric cars but there is massive infrastructure change that will be need and I don't see that happening any time soon enough to make electric cars viable for many people. " it's a slow burn for sure. Maybe every parking space will be a charging space at some point... And then petrol stations can be replaced with houses .... It's not an overnight change. But we should start planning for it to see how it can be made worthwhile. | |||
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"What about cyclists Tom ? We pay nothing but I still use the road, how do you like that.
Bah-dump! Bah-dump! "Is that sound you hear when a cyclist gets run over by an electric car that they didn't hear coming? | |||
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"Charging at home is a cool bonus. No-one can fill their petrol cars ar home. It does take a slight change in approach. The timea I've needed to charge "in public" I've done it while shopping, walking the dog, or something else. I've never (Six months in) waited while charging. Just do it frequently. Not when the battery is quarter full or less. There is a massive difference between taking 5 minutes to fill up your car with petrol or diesel and waiting between 30 minutes and 12 hours depending on how much charge you need. If everybody switched to electric cars there will not be enough charging points to go round. Where we live inside the ULEZ zone Within a one mile radius there is 9 public charging points, The vast majority of people live in blocks of flats or shared accommodation, Those that do have houses don't have driveways. care to explain where everyone is going to charge these cars? the wider infrastructure can definitely improve. But that can evolve with EV car users. Nothing is going to happen overnight. I can see petrol stations converting from gas plus convenience store, to EV plus coffee shops and work spaces. I'd also expect fast charge to become increasingly fast. We are at the start of the tech. I can't imagine anyone would have imagined we would all be working of laptops if you go back 20 years ago. The "petrol stations" Where you charge your car would have to be huge as it's not just a case of each car there for 5 minutes. I'm not against electric cars but there is massive infrastructure change that will be need and I don't see that happening any time soon enough to make electric cars viable for many people. it's a slow burn for sure. Maybe every parking space will be a charging space at some point... And then petrol stations can be replaced with houses .... It's not an overnight change. But we should start planning for it to see how it can be made worthwhile. " But the problem is lots of cities are putting in ULEZ zones when for the majority of people even if they wanted to get an electric car they couldn't. I know it isn't just Electric cars that are exempt but as more people get cars that are not electric but compatible there will be even more charges for everybody. | |||
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"Charging at home is a cool bonus. No-one can fill their petrol cars ar home. It does take a slight change in approach. The timea I've needed to charge "in public" I've done it while shopping, walking the dog, or something else. I've never (Six months in) waited while charging. Just do it frequently. Not when the battery is quarter full or less. There is a massive difference between taking 5 minutes to fill up your car with petrol or diesel and waiting between 30 minutes and 12 hours depending on how much charge you need. If everybody switched to electric cars there will not be enough charging points to go round. Where we live inside the ULEZ zone Within a one mile radius there is 9 public charging points, The vast majority of people live in blocks of flats or shared accommodation, Those that do have houses don't have driveways. care to explain where everyone is going to charge these cars? the wider infrastructure can definitely improve. But that can evolve with EV car users. Nothing is going to happen overnight. I can see petrol stations converting from gas plus convenience store, to EV plus coffee shops and work spaces. I'd also expect fast charge to become increasingly fast. We are at the start of the tech. I can't imagine anyone would have imagined we would all be working of laptops if you go back 20 years ago. The "petrol stations" Where you charge your car would have to be huge as it's not just a case of each car there for 5 minutes. I'm not against electric cars but there is massive infrastructure change that will be need and I don't see that happening any time soon enough to make electric cars viable for many people. it's a slow burn for sure. Maybe every parking space will be a charging space at some point... And then petrol stations can be replaced with houses .... It's not an overnight change. But we should start planning for it to see how it can be made worthwhile. But the problem is lots of cities are putting in ULEZ zones when for the majority of people even if they wanted to get an electric car they couldn't. I know it isn't just Electric cars that are exempt but as more people get cars that are not electric but compatible there will be even more charges for everybody. " it sounds to me you are frustrated that any improvementa will benefit the wealthy firat and oenalsie this that cant afford EV. I agree. So going back to car tax, I bekiev EV should pay as they can likely afford it, and it won't change a decision. I hope there's a middle way that encourages adoption and so speeds up investment, without penalising thoae who can't afford it yet. | |||
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"As usual the treasury lose taxes and find a way to claw it back by screwing over the gullible who thought they would be road tax free. Nobody pays road tax." Ok they reworded it to vehicle excise duty. | |||
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"I use my electric car to drive to Aldi and stock up on their plant menu range. Loving the 'no chicken' bakes "Just bought a load of those  | |||
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"What about cyclists Tom ? We pay nothing but I still use the road, how do you like that.
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"I drive electric & diesel car. To be fair the ekec is much more fun to drive, but I still use the diesel now and again. Cost to drive has significantly reduced for me and I'm helping improve air quality " We are in the same boat. Mr just got rid of the diesel car and is loving his brand new shiny motor which we wouldn't have been able to afford without the government grant. Folk just seem to get pissed off at other people having nice things. | |||
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"I drive electric & diesel car. To be fair the ekec is much more fun to drive, but I still use the diesel now and again. Cost to drive has significantly reduced for me and I'm helping improve air quality We are in the same boat. Mr just got rid of the diesel car and is loving his brand new shiny motor which we wouldn't have been able to afford without the government grant. Folk just seem to get pissed off at other people having nice things." Jealous more like | |||
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"Cover the country in wire netting and stick a pole on the back of electric cars. like fairground dodgems, You could even fit a bit of a platform on the back for the guy to stand on while moving to collect the revenue "You joke but a pantagram system has been talked about for trucks on motorways | |||
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"Tom is no fan of smug electrical car drivers but they will shortly have to pay their road tax like the rest of us. It has been all over the news" Tom sounds really petty and jealous. | |||
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"As usual the treasury lose taxes and find a way to claw it back by screwing over the gullible who thought they would be road tax free. " All the more reason for independence. | |||
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"What about cyclists Tom ? We pay nothing but I still use the road, how do you like that. "The roads are maintained by the council tax, there is no road tax, it's called vehicle excise duty. | |||
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"As usual the treasury lose taxes and find a way to claw it back by screwing over the gullible who thought they would be road tax free. All the more reason for independence." Relevance? | |||
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" ... This is my thinking a bit like the plan to have rolling power cuts if necessary in the Winter in peak hours Between 4 and 7 PM. ... " The 'rolling power cuts' threat was cunningly thought up to prevent anyone from questioning that if there is spare electrical capacity at any time, then why are we paying so much for it. Don't trust the blighters a single KWH. | |||
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"Fair enough, don't see whats wrong with all road users having to pay their share." Roads are maintained from your council tax ffs. | |||
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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know.." 40k for a Vauxhall Corsa need to be a idiot or a smug fool to have 1 | |||
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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know.. 40k for a Vauxhall Corsa need to be a idiot or a smug fool to have 1" my id3 is through my company. So the Biak tax plus company charging means it's cheaper than it looks. And I get that people see some spending money and see it as as smug. But we all value different things. I look at comparable priced cars (BMW M3 say, or a TT) and it has nothing that would make me say it's worth more other than a bit of extra space. Tbh, most cars are much of a muchness once you go automatic and a few mod cons. | |||
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"This lot will want cyclists to pay road tax before long.. anything to share the burden and get our poll tax down .. " One of them already suggested that. He piped down pretty rapidly. | |||
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"Fair enough, don't see whats wrong with all road users having to pay their share. Roads are maintained from your council tax ffs." In which case Bristol CC have been redirecting that portion for YEARS. Roads here are diabolical. | |||
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"Good. Vehicle Excuse Duty shouldn't be based on emissions. The rolling weight and wear on the road should be the criteria. A 2 ton electric van wears the road a lot more than my little RX8..." Loved my rx8, small wankel produced so much power, what a car! | |||
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"Good. Vehicle Excuse Duty shouldn't be based on emissions. The rolling weight and wear on the road should be the criteria. A 2 ton electric van wears the road a lot more than my little RX8... Loved my rx8, small wankel produced so much power, what a car!" Didn't they drink oil ? | |||
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"Good. Vehicle Excuse Duty shouldn't be based on emissions. The rolling weight and wear on the road should be the criteria. A 2 ton electric van wears the road a lot more than my little RX8... Loved my rx8, small wankel produced so much power, what a car! Didn't they drink oil ?" The engine was designed to ingest oil to be properly lubricated, I believe. | |||
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"its not a case of smug or hate its a case of we will all have to change one day soon ... when the price tumbles then we will all be on board like it or not.. and the vegan jokes/quotes are just pure childish alot of people are vegan because of health and alot of vegans dont preach " speak for yourself. I have zero intentions of getting an electric car. I am in fact saving to buy two v6 cars to add to my classic car collection. If I'm forced to electric with my motability car I will just not have one... .until they are actually practical I can't see many having them. The range is still woefully inadequate | |||
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"Until there are thousands of electric cars under 2000 for sale then they will be out of reach for millions of people." You'll be able to buy cars in that range eventually. They may not have any batteries in them though! | |||
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"What’s smug about them? I honestly don’t know.. 40k for a Vauxhall Corsa need to be a idiot or a smug fool to have 1" Exactly on a little scroll through auto trader this morning, I was flabbergasted
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"its not a case of smug or hate its a case of we will all have to change one day soon ... when the price tumbles then we will all be on board like it or not.. and the vegan jokes/quotes are just pure childish alot of people are vegan because of health and alot of vegans dont preach speak for yourself. I have zero intentions of getting an electric car. I am in fact saving to buy two v6 cars to add to my classic car collection. If I'm forced to electric with my motability car I will just not have one... .until they are actually practical I can't see many having them. The range is still woefully inadequate " i was not speaking for me lol i was just saying we will all have too one day ?? as for classic cars we have loads of friends who have american cars and hot rods some classic cars they are all worried because theres no guide for them in the future 2030 is the stop date in the uk for new fossil fuel cars but i guess its will be 20 or 30 years after that before we see the death of all fossil fuel cars ...but there will be a day where there will be no choice think ill be dead and burried before then .. they will draw the line and there will be no choice it will be law the only thing we dont know is the time scale | |||
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"Infrastructure is going to take time, but maybe they can bring in quick charge points like what are being introduced for London buses. Instead of charging overnight, the first route is being fitted with a system that charges fully in ten minutes. " The infrastructure in the UK will never meet the needs of electric cars synthetic fuel will come through well before the infrastructure is in place for fully electric | |||
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"Good. Vehicle Excuse Duty shouldn't be based on emissions. The rolling weight and wear on the road should be the criteria. A 2 ton electric van wears the road a lot more than my little RX8... Loved my rx8, small wankel produced so much power, what a car! Didn't they drink oil ? The engine was designed to ingest oil to be properly lubricated, I believe. " Yeah it uses a smidge of oil to provide the compression seal, much like a two stroke. Mine uses Less than a quarter litre per 1000 miles. But the power output compared to the size is insane. Engine is a third of the size of a comparable piston engine. | |||
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"'Producing a 75 kilowatt-hour battery for a Tesla Model 3, considered on the larger end of batteries for electric vehicles, would result in the emission of 4,500 kilograms of CO2 if it was made at Tesla's battery factory in Nevada. That’s the emissions equivalent to driving a gas-powered sedan for 1.4 years, at a yearly average distance of 12,000 miles' Don't you just love the internet?.. "A midsize vehicle completely negates the carbon dioxide its production emits by the time it travels 4,900 miles, according to the report. For full size cars, it takes 19,000 miles of driving. I found this later on in the article which also has your quote. | |||
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"Whoever designs and irons out the issues with a wireless fast charge for an EV will be a very wealthy individual.. Figure it out people ... i just want 10% Ok 5%... " Ionity (Mercedes-Benz, Ford, BMW + VW JV) already provides High Power Charging stations - 350kW can deliver 100km in 8 mins. | |||
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"Tom is no fan of smug electrical car drivers but they will shortly have to pay their road tax like the rest of us. It has been all over the news" The production of lithium batteries cause so many deaths through poisoning and bad working conditions and exploitation it's litrally shocking, forgive the pun, lithium batteries are a death sentence for those who collect the ore for profiteering corporations | |||
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"also to add i dont think electric will be the winner i think its a stop gap to hydrogen or another green gas" Synthetic fuel will just create more revenue for the oil companies that are already bleeding you dry. Hydrogen fuel as someone mentioned is already dead in the water. The last station opened has recently been closed as there are no cars about to use the fuel Toyota are even having to admit that full electric is the way forward (none of the "self charge hybrid" bollocks. They have to admit it as they are in debt to the tune of billions and looking at the banks calling their dept in. Not everyone could buy a car when they first came out and lots stuck to their horse and cart or just walked everywhere. Electric cars will become more normal as time goes on and those who won't change don't have to change But just like the horse they will end up as a weekend hobby thing like it or not | |||
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"also to add i dont think electric will be the winner i think its a stop gap to hydrogen or another green gas" Very true. Once they sort hydrogen, electric vehicles will become like Betamax videos | |||
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"also to add i dont think electric will be the winner i think its a stop gap to hydrogen or another green gas Very true. Once they sort hydrogen, electric vehicles will become like Betamax videos " They sorted hydrogen out and realised its crap Anyone with a brain cell can see its a terrible idea for public personal transport Maybe buses but not likely maybe hgvs but the industry wouldn't foot the cost It's around £15million pet fuel pump who in their right mind would go for that Hydrogen for the public is dead It's electric or walking Eventually all fossil vehicles will be priced off the road like it or not Maybe not fully in our lifetimes but it will happen get over the shock to your systems and live with it | |||
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"There's no such thing as road tax. It was abolished a long long time ago. BTW I'm vegan as well " Yes there is, they abolished the name so people like you could try and defend it when people said "bikes don't pay road tax". Nothing changed other than the name to vehicle excise duty. Off for a nice bacon sandwich now. Ttfn | |||
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"Changing the name also allowed the government to divert the funds hence the state of the roads." And left vehicle owners paying for the repairs to their vehicles caused by the state of the roads, i.e. taxed twice. | |||
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"Infrastructure is going to take time, but maybe they can bring in quick charge points like what are being introduced for London buses. Instead of charging overnight, the first route is being fitted with a system that charges fully in ten minutes. The infrastructure in the UK will never meet the needs of electric cars synthetic fuel will come through well before the infrastructure is in place for fully electric" Hear here! I reckon the Arabs will start producing synthetic fuels as an inevitability, if they are forced to stop producing fossil fuels | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had....... "All by design. Many cannot see that far ahead. | |||
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"Good. Vehicle Excuse Duty shouldn't be based on emissions. The rolling weight and wear on the road should be the criteria. A 2 ton electric van wears the road a lot more than my little RX8..." I am not happy with that, I use tax exempt cars and bikes. Currently, I don't pay anything. Why should I start to pay now? | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......
Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002."Absolutely. There’s work to do on improving people’s awareness about what EVs are, what they mean for the country and how the future will look with them. I think many who drive them will be convinced. Hades x | |||
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"My son in law is very proud of his Tesla 3, but he doesn’t have a home charging point. The last time we were visiting we were going out and needed two cars……errr, it doesn’t have enough charge for the journey
Wait until every vehicle has been forced to be electric, and there's not enough electricity in the grid to be had.......
Even if all cars would switch to EVs overnight, it still wouldn't max the grid. In fact if all cars switched to EV overnight in UK, the grid would still need output less power than it did in 2002."Yes, if there’s enough gas to power the stations that produce the electric and as we all know and have been threatened with, blackouts as there isn’t going to be enough to meet demand, so, even if you’re always right, you’re not this time I’m afraid | |||
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"I drive an EV, company car so not much choice. EV’s should pay road tax, the current situation was always a temporary ‘nudge’ to push people towards electric and was always going to end. I am a pragmatist and accept the occasional inconvenience re charging as an offset to the reduced environmental impact. As a high mileage driver, the driving experience is actually better than ICE cars. I am no eco evangelist by the way & live in a terraced house. I park in a back alley and charge there. You just find a way…" If you have a company car and you have no choice, do they help with home charging options? I have no idea as I don't work in an industry where company cars are a thing. | |||
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"Changing the name also allowed the government to divert the funds hence the state of the roads." Exactly this. They are very good at sneaking another tax revenue in with stealth. | |||
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"I drive an EV, company car so not much choice. EV’s should pay road tax, the current situation was always a temporary ‘nudge’ to push people towards electric and was always going to end. I am a pragmatist and accept the occasional inconvenience re charging as an offset to the reduced environmental impact. As a high mileage driver, the driving experience is actually better than ICE cars. I am no eco evangelist by the way & live in a terraced house. I park in a back alley and charge there. You just find a way…" Are the as eco friendly though? I think not! Mass produced batteries in china who are one of the biggest polluters on the earth, land destroyed digging for the raw materials and charged by electric produced by gas or nuclear power. Not eco friendly one little bit. If they truly wanted to be eco friendly then hydrogen would have been the ultimate choice. They want to appear eco friendly but unless your heads in the sand or up your own arse, then we all know it’s another load of shite they want us to go along with and believe | |||
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"Changing the name also allowed the government to divert the funds hence the state of the roads. Exactly this. They are very good at sneaking another tax revenue in with stealth." Road tax ceased to be so-called in 1937, when it was replaced with Vehicle Excise Duty. It's still called VED today. My 83 year old Dad wasn't even born in 1937. I doubt there's any current license holders who remember road tax. So what's the "stealth"? Are we suggesting that the roads haven't been properly repaired/funded since the abolition of road tax in 1937? | |||
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"There is today ? in the Telegraph on my newsfeed on phone , about EV and batteries . The UK is very far behind other countries in battery manufacture and production. Plus vehicle manufacturers want the battery manufacturing factory next to their vehicle factory . This to cut cost of transport etc. https://apple.news/AIRJHgtlaSmicXvRmXZGIkQ" As on phone hope this correct link https://apple.news/AIRJHgtlaSmicXvRmXZGIkQ | |||
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"Changing the name also allowed the government to divert the funds hence the state of the roads. Exactly this. They are very good at sneaking another tax revenue in with stealth. Road tax ceased to be so-called in 1937, when it was replaced with Vehicle Excise Duty. It's still called VED today. My 83 year old Dad wasn't even born in 1937. I doubt there's any current license holders who remember road tax. So what's the "stealth"? Are we suggesting that the roads haven't been properly repaired/funded since the abolition of road tax in 1937? " They have tried changing the name of perry to pear cider. If it looks like perry and tastes like perry then it's perry. Same with rates, poll tax, council tax and road tax. It's Road Tax. | |||
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"I drive an EV, company car so not much choice. EV’s should pay road tax, the current situation was always a temporary ‘nudge’ to push people towards electric and was always going to end. I am a pragmatist and accept the occasional inconvenience re charging as an offset to the reduced environmental impact. As a high mileage driver, the driving experience is actually better than ICE cars. I am no eco evangelist by the way & live in a terraced house. I park in a back alley and charge there. You just find a way… If you have a company car and you have no choice, do they help with home charging options? I have no idea as I don't work in an industry where company cars are a thing. " Yes, In the same way as they do with petrol / diesel. The government issue a mileage rate foe EVs. You submit a monthly business mileage record and the company pay for the KWH this equates to in the same way as they would for conventional fuels | |||
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"I drive an EV, company car so not much choice. EV’s should pay road tax, the current situation was always a temporary ‘nudge’ to push people towards electric and was always going to end. I am a pragmatist and accept the occasional inconvenience re charging as an offset to the reduced environmental impact. As a high mileage driver, the driving experience is actually better than ICE cars. I am no eco evangelist by the way & live in a terraced house. I park in a back alley and charge there. You just find a way… If you have a company car and you have no choice, do they help with home charging options? I have no idea as I don't work in an industry where company cars are a thing. Yes, In the same way as they do with petrol / diesel. The government issue a mileage rate foe EVs. You submit a monthly business mileage record and the company pay for the KWH this equates to in the same way as they would for conventional fuels" I mean, could your company install a home charging point at your home? I recognise you can probably claim back the costs of actual charging, especially at public charge points when you're off on company business. | |||
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"I drive an EV, company car so not much choice. EV’s should pay road tax, the current situation was always a temporary ‘nudge’ to push people towards electric and was always going to end. I am a pragmatist and accept the occasional inconvenience re charging as an offset to the reduced environmental impact. As a high mileage driver, the driving experience is actually better than ICE cars. I am no eco evangelist by the way & live in a terraced house. I park in a back alley and charge there. You just find a way… Are the as eco friendly though? I think not! Mass produced batteries in china who are one of the biggest polluters on the earth, land destroyed digging for the raw materials and charged by electric produced by gas or nuclear power. Not eco friendly one little bit. If they truly wanted to be eco friendly then hydrogen would have been the ultimate choice. They want to appear eco friendly but unless your heads in the sand or up your own arse, then we all know it’s another load of shite they want us to go along with and believe" Don’t believe the tin hat / conspiracy theory nut jobs. Yes, they are more eco friendly. Nothing is perfect but balancing the total fuel from the ground through to power to the wheel, EVs are currently the best solution (by far). Sadly, the energy density isn’t there for Hydrogen. It my have some uses but wont be a mainstream solution, no matter how tempting it may seem | |||
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"I drive an EV, company car so not much choice. EV’s should pay road tax, the current situation was always a temporary ‘nudge’ to push people towards electric and was always going to end. I am a pragmatist and accept the occasional inconvenience re charging as an offset to the reduced environmental impact. As a high mileage driver, the driving experience is actually better than ICE cars. I am no eco evangelist by the way & live in a terraced house. I park in a back alley and charge there. You just find a way… If you have a company car and you have no choice, do they help with home charging options? I have no idea as I don't work in an industry where company cars are a thing. Yes, In the same way as they do with petrol / diesel. The government issue a mileage rate foe EVs. You submit a monthly business mileage record and the company pay for the KWH this equates to in the same way as they would for conventional fuels I mean, could your company install a home charging point at your home? I recognise you can probably claim back the costs of actual charging, especially at public charge points when you're off on company business. " I believe some companies do. I couldn’t have a proper charger as I don’t have offstreet parking. Ad I say, I gave installed a conventional 13a socket in tge alley behind my terrace so I can charge overnight | |||
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"Do the people who commute on electric bicycles have to pay the road tax now too?" No. And they get the joy of skipping past the queues of traffic. I find using pavements and sometimes going the wrong way down a one way street really helps to cut down journey times too. | |||
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"What about cyclists Tom ? We pay nothing but I still use the road, how do you like that. "yes to this. | |||
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"I'll stick with petrol. Don't hardly drive as it is, so no economy in buying an electric over petrol. Besides, electric cars are like conflict diamonds, their batteries come from morally questionable sources. " As does a lot of the oil / gas used to fuel ICE vehicles | |||
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"Do the people who commute on electric bicycles have to pay the road tax now too? No. And they get the joy of skipping past the queues of traffic. I find using pavements and sometimes going the wrong way down a one way street really helps to cut down journey times too." that's dangerous. | |||
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"Do the people who commute on electric bicycles have to pay the road tax now too? No. And they get the joy of skipping past the queues of traffic. I find using pavements and sometimes going the wrong way down a one way street really helps to cut down journey times too. that's dangerous." No it's fine. In France they actively encourage it. Keeps motorists on their toes | |||
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"This lot will want cyclists to pay road tax before long.. anything to share the burden and get our poll tax down .. " Poll Tax? Was this thread started in the 14th century? Forsooth, it shalt be all over ye olde news...... Winston | |||
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"Evs are more polluting than ice cars??? China is the most polluting country on the planet?? Can we get some of the facts right on this subject instead of reading the crap the oil companies spout and listening to some cretin you know that has heard something from the morons down the pub. Background of the Energy Sector in China This distribution network relies on a mix of coal, natural gas, hydropower, wind energy and solar energy. Throughout China's economic rise, thermal power was and still remains the primary source of power generation, accounting for roughly 79% of China's power generation of 2021.22 Feb 2022 Just like the UK and getting better every year " China is by far the worlds biggest C02 polluter, and growing every year. | |||
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"Cover the country in wire netting and stick a pole on the back of electric cars. like fairground dodgems, You could even fit a bit of a platform on the back for the guy to stand on while moving to collect the revenue "Stop it. Standing on the back of a dodgem asking young girls if they had a ticket was my husband's choice of career as a teenager. I used to think the ground the dodgems ran across became electrified when the siren blew. Sadly, a mortgage put a stop to it and the rest, as they say, is history. I wonder if Tom is a vegetarian or vegan or just lives on Pot Noodles. I love how his seemingly innocuous posts act as a stick to poke the hornets nest. | |||
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"I drive an EV, company car so not much choice. EV’s should pay road tax, the current situation was always a temporary ‘nudge’ to push people towards electric and was always going to end. I am a pragmatist and accept the occasional inconvenience re charging as an offset to the reduced environmental impact. As a high mileage driver, the driving experience is actually better than ICE cars. I am no eco evangelist by the way & live in a terraced house. I park in a back alley and charge there. You just find a way… If you have a company car and you have no choice, do they help with home charging options? I have no idea as I don't work in an industry where company cars are a thing. " My company reimburses an amount towards your first home charger (ie, if you move , you need to fund it, if there isn't an existing one) | |||
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"As more and more electric cars arrive and emissions go down will diesel van drivers benefit from the cleaner air that we'll be breathing? "Of course! Cleaner air in through the intake, will give a cleaner, more efficient burn in the combustion chamber! Everyone’s a winner! | |||
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