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War, what is it good for?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So where do you stand with war. Are you for, or against?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Against. There are ways to settle conflicts without killing innocent people.

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By *smCouple
over a year ago

Liskeard

Against the only people who gain anything are the ultra rich who get richer on others pain.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

One of ma mates has got every single book about the American Civil War. I keep telling him to go on Mastermind

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By *valanche1001Man
over a year ago

Leeds

I think it should be restricted to the two protagonists, invariably men. They have to go one on one and settle it without needless bloodshed of soldiers and innocent civilians.

Zelenskyy would have taken Putin down, the latter may be a black belt but he’s old and apparently seriously underestimates his opponents.

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By *smCouple
over a year ago

Liskeard


"I think it should be restricted to the two protagonists, invariably men. They have to go one on one and settle it without needless bloodshed of soldiers and innocent civilians.

Zelenskyy would have taken Putin down, the latter may be a black belt but he’s old and apparently seriously underestimates his opponents. "

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By *eyond PurityCouple
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

The people who decide to have a war are usually as far away from the war as possible and also ensure their families are safe too.

If it was a rule that they and their families had to fight then you’d find there wouldn’t be many wars at all.

K

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

I saw Edwin Star on stage at a work Christmas party in the 80's very impressive

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Every single war is eventually ended by people sitting round a table and talking. Only when that stage comes first rather than last and after huge bloodshed will there be an end to war.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Conflict is as human as feeding or fucking.

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody in their right mind wants war, but sometimes it's unavoidable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am against war. But if another country has marched in to try to take over another, then the country attacked has every right to fight back and defend themselves.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

Taking over banks .. stopping us from focussing on the truth and our potential to be far more advanced

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Nobody in their right mind wants war, but sometimes it's unavoidable."

So to show someone that war is wrong you have to fight??

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"So where do you stand with war. Are you for, or against? "

Against.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Troops [Removed by poster at 11/11/22 19:49:19]"

Fify

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am against war. But if another country has marched in to try to take over another, then the country attacked has every right to fight back and defend themselves.

"

100%

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington


"Against. There are ways to settle conflicts without killing innocent people."
I respect you’re comment but how would we of sorted the nazis out without having to take the fight to them ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nobody in their right mind wants war, but sometimes it's unavoidable.

So to show someone that war is wrong you have to fight?? "

No, you are not trying to show them war is wrong, you're showing them you will not give in to oppression/takeover by force of arms. Right or wrong is down to your own perception.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Troops [Removed by poster at 11/11/22 19:49:19]

Fify "

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

A painful necessity when you've been invaded by your neighbour and he acts without limits against your people in pursuit of a strange blend of neo-Fascist imperialism.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

This is where I'll say Trump smashed it .. created peace in the Middle East for the first time in years .. created alliances and stopped threats from Russia and North Korea.. then minute he left bang ear back on .. not saying anymore I'll get a war on me for this haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

War, huh, yeah

What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing, uhh

War, huh, yeah

What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing

Say it again, y'all

War, huh (good God)

What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing, listen to me, oh

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By *actilemale4uMan
over a year ago

London


"War, huh, yeah

What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing, uhh

War, huh, yeah

What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing

Say it again, y'all

War, huh (good God)

What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing, listen to me, oh

"

Edwin Star great song

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think anyone would say they're 'for' war surely. But some fights are worth fighting and I'd go if I really believed in the cause.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's no profit in peace

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's no profit in peace "

War is enormously expensive and often bankrupts the countries involved. Peace is far for conducive to capital growth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am against war, and against all the things that lead to war. People should just jolly well pack it all in.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nobody in their right mind wants war, but sometimes it's unavoidable."

Quite so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I am against war. But if another country has marched in to try to take over another, then the country attacked has every right to fight back and defend themselves.

"

Exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't think anyone would say they're 'for' war surely. But some fights are worth fighting and I'd go if I really believed in the cause. "

Quite right.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Unfortunately we're heading for a biggie.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lets see, putting aside morals.

War is good to control population, which also is good to control pollution, which is also good for the planet.

BUT, war is indiscriminate, war leaves the worst people to continue doing everything that is the problem whilst killing the ones who are the solution

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

“Si vis pacem, para bellum”.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't agree with violence, but defend if being attacked, then yes

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By *aCaiMan
over a year ago

Telford

War is necessary… sue me

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

War, where people who all know each other get a bunch of strangers to all fight each other.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Don't agree with violence, but defend if being attacked, then yes"

So, yes to war?

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Poor and disadvantaged people fight other similar people to assist the rich to attain and retain power

And they are given medals to congratulate them for being enthusiastic cannon fodder.

Conscientious objection to war is the intelligent way to deal with conscription.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Poor and disadvantaged people fight other similar people to assist the rich to attain and retain power

And they are given medals to congratulate them for being enthusiastic cannon fodder.

Conscientious objection to war is the intelligent way to deal with conscription. "

All primates are among the most violent animals and humans are no more so than our close cousins. It is all nature, zero nurture.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"Poor and disadvantaged people fight other similar people to assist the rich to attain and retain power

And they are given medals to congratulate them for being enthusiastic cannon fodder.

Conscientious objection to war is the intelligent way to deal with conscription. "

While someone else fights the battle for your freedom or right to live.

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down


"Poor and disadvantaged people fight other similar people to assist the rich to attain and retain power

And they are given medals to congratulate them for being enthusiastic cannon fodder.

Conscientious objection to war is the intelligent way to deal with conscription.

All primates are among the most violent animals and humans are no more so than our close cousins. It is all nature, zero nurture."

Your posting is partially true, because Bonobos are not violent or aggressive; their social groups are dominated by a matriarch and crucially, they use sex recreationally and for preventing and settling disputes.

Chimpanzees are the most violent and engage in cannibalistic raids on other groups.

Gorillas are not really violent though males do fight to gain dominance and to retain their hierarchical position.

By a very long chalk, humans are the most violent and being highly intelligent use tools, that they manufacture to fulfil their aggressive proclivity.

We are a phenomenally destructive species, being the only primate which is capable to destroying the entire planet.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"This is where I'll say Trump smashed it .. created peace in the Middle East for the first time in years .. created alliances and stopped threats from Russia and North Korea.. then minute he left bang ear back on .. not saying anymore I'll get a war on me for this haha "

You hobestly think Trump created peace in the Middle East?!

And if things reverted back after Trump left, he clearly didn't do a very good job.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

*honestly

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

Nothing only hardship

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By *ust Passing ThroughMan
over a year ago

poole

Always caused by power hungry narcissistic men. Everyone else suffers

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By *riel13Woman
over a year ago

Northampton

It's just a money making machine for the worst people!

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"This is where I'll say Trump smashed it .. created peace in the Middle East for the first time in years .. created alliances and stopped threats from Russia and North Korea.. then minute he left bang ear back on .. not saying anymore I'll get a war on me for this haha

You hobestly think Trump created peace in the Middle East?!

And if things reverted back after Trump left, he clearly didn't do a very good job."

Facts sweetheart ,.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

Almost every war has been funded by Rothchilds .. if your smart enough to follow what's happening and research .. you'll see almost every war America and uk have fought the banks have been taken by the Rothchilds after .. Iran iraq Afghanistan. Latest one was Syria .. gafaffi killed for being a hero like Ukrainian president.. only 6 countries left in the world not owned by them ,. Russia has the strong hold putin kicked them out years ago.. North Korea is another.. I'm not here for a debate .. these are facts .. facts facts facts

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
over a year ago

Leeds

It’s human nature to destroy ourselves, so I’ll just let them crack on and go about my day.

The mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good for population reduction, I expect that's why the US installed zelensky to provoke Putin into action. America loves war they love invading other countries Iraq being just one.

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By *im75Her77Couple
over a year ago

937 S.W.

Hmmmm...

I've had a couple of decades involved in the war machine to think about this.

First, it provided me with a livelihood,a great pension,decent healthcare for me and my family.

Second, I've made a lot of friends.

Third,the experiences alone could fill multiple volumes.

Next,I work now to work for the fun of it, not because I have to. Although, our current pudding brained prez and admin has even I seriously considering another job to maintain my lifestyle. Or at the very least stock up on more weapons and ammunition.

Lastly, I would to like to see warfare settled by the immediate two aggressors.E.g.: Prez X Vs. Czar(Or whomever)X in a no holds barred cage match. Not young kids who can not even enjoy a damned beer.

The terrible thing about war is that it culls the youth,not the relics who initiate it all.

-M

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes


"Good for population reduction, I expect that's why the US installed zelensky to provoke Putin into action. America loves war they love invading other countries Iraq being just one. "

Did you know that we are on a massive decline in birth rate since the 80's

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"There's no profit in peace

War is enormously expensive and often bankrupts the countries involved. Peace is far for conducive to capital growth."

Yes. "War is enormously expensive". Someone makes a shit tonne of money from war. It's not any nation. It's not your or I.

IE. There is a reason BAE, Lockheed, GDC, Boeing etc donate so much money to governments world wide.

The single purpose of war is profit.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

Nikolai Tesla offered us free power in the 1900's and he was found dead in his hotel.. we then paid for oil from the billionaire families until now .. now it's running out they are pushing global warming agenda to make us switch.. ever wondered why the earth had an ice age ? It wasn't pollution.. it's a natural cycle the earth and planets take in their orbit .. we're just consumers to the product when the time is ready for the sellers

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

Absolutely nothing

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

War is bad, but appeasement is no better as history tells us. The UN was formed to prevent wars, but no seem reduced to soundbites. So what's the solution?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[War, what is it good for?]

Enabling the killing of the absolute cretinous thundercunts of this world like Adolf and hopefully Vladimir in the not too distant future.

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By *im75Her77Couple
over a year ago

937 S.W.


"There's no profit in peace

War is enormously expensive and often bankrupts the countries involved. Peace is far for conducive to capital growth.

Yes. "War is enormously expensive". Someone makes a shit tonne of money from war. It's not any nation. It's not your or I.

IE. There is a reason BAE, Lockheed, GDC, Boeing etc donate so much money to governments world wide.

The single purpose of war is profit. "

You managed to mention my former employer. B.A.E. Systems was an EXCELLENT place to work for. Loved every minute of it! We uparmored HMMWV's.

Now I work for one of their symbiotic bretheren, General Dynamics, Lima, Ohio.

Not sure of their bottom line but, they pay me well to build the worlds BEST tanks for the worlds BEST tankers.

I sleep well every damned night.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Poor and disadvantaged people fight other similar people to assist the rich to attain and retain power

And they are given medals to congratulate them for being enthusiastic cannon fodder.

Conscientious objection to war is the intelligent way to deal with conscription.

All primates are among the most violent animals and humans are no more so than our close cousins. It is all nature, zero nurture.

Your posting is partially true, because Bonobos are not violent or aggressive; their social groups are dominated by a matriarch and crucially, they use sex recreationally and for preventing and settling disputes.

Chimpanzees are the most violent and engage in cannibalistic raids on other groups.

Gorillas are not really violent though males do fight to gain dominance and to retain their hierarchical position.

By a very long chalk, humans are the most violent and being highly intelligent use tools, that they manufacture to fulfil their aggressive proclivity.

We are a phenomenally destructive species, being the only primate which is capable to destroying the entire planet.

"

It’s just not true. No other animals have wars but humans and until around 9-12000 years ago humans didn’t have wars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Against, but appreciate that sometimes when every eventuality has been explored without finding resolve, as a last resort in order to restore balance and to eradicate acts of evil - war is necessary...!

examples: WWI, WWII

and only a matter of time before we’ve WWIII (if global warning doesn’t have its way with us before that happens....)

so if we’re not already enjoying life, make a start to do so by spending more time doing the things in life that really matter - like spending more quality time with loved ones, acts of kindnesses, etc.

Having fun on fabs, making friends, finding time to have plenty of fun with plenty of action in getting wet and sticky

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"…..

and only a matter of time before we’ve WWIII (if global warning doesn’t have its way with us before that happens....)

so if we’re not already enjoying life, make a start to do so by spending more time doing the things in life that really matter - like spending more quality time with loved ones, acts of kindnesses, etc.

Having fun on fabs, making friends, finding time to have plenty of fun with plenty of action in getting wet and sticky "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a hard one for me as I've lost several family members fighting for there country

I'd hate to think of them dying in vain so I'd say yes especially in some cases we need to go to war

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Instigators are fucking terrible human beings.

Fini.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Their is no need for physical war, war with words can be ok though even that can be a fuck show

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By *arkandlovelyWoman
over a year ago

South Derbyshire


"Poor and disadvantaged people fight other similar people to assist the rich to attain and retain power

And they are given medals to congratulate them for being enthusiastic cannon fodder.

Conscientious objection to war is the intelligent way to deal with conscription.

All primates are among the most violent animals and humans are no more so than our close cousins. It is all nature, zero nurture.

Your posting is partially true, because Bonobos are not violent or aggressive; their social groups are dominated by a matriarch and crucially, they use sex recreationally and for preventing and settling disputes.

Chimpanzees are the most violent and engage in cannibalistic raids on other groups.

Gorillas are not really violent though males do fight to gain dominance and to retain their hierarchical position.

By a very long chalk, humans are the most violent and being highly intelligent use tools, that they manufacture to fulfil their aggressive proclivity.

We are a phenomenally destructive species, being the only primate which is capable to destroying the entire planet.

"

It's not humans though, it's (almost always) men.

Women are generally not violent by nature.

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By *iddle ManMan
over a year ago

Walsall

The only people that want a war are the arms manufacturers.

As people have already said, is seems war and conflict are a part of human life, it always has been and always will be in affraid. It is getting worse too as we fill the planet up with more of us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So where do you stand with war. Are you for, or against? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Poor and disadvantaged people fight other similar people to assist the rich to attain and retain power

And they are given medals to congratulate them for being enthusiastic cannon fodder.

Conscientious objection to war is the intelligent way to deal with conscription.

All primates are among the most violent animals and humans are no more so than our close cousins. It is all nature, zero nurture.

Your posting is partially true, because Bonobos are not violent or aggressive; their social groups are dominated by a matriarch and crucially, they use sex recreationally and for preventing and settling disputes.

Chimpanzees are the most violent and engage in cannibalistic raids on other groups.

Gorillas are not really violent though males do fight to gain dominance and to retain their hierarchical position.

By a very long chalk, humans are the most violent and being highly intelligent use tools, that they manufacture to fulfil their aggressive proclivity.

We are a phenomenally destructive species, being the only primate which is capable to destroying the entire planet.

It's not humans though, it's (almost always) men.

Women are generally not violent by nature."

Spot on. Women as a whole are far more agreeable than men are.

It doesn't mean they are less likely to be corrupted like male leaders. Power will always corrupt humans, regardless of sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's no profit in peace

War is enormously expensive and often bankrupts the countries involved. Peace is far for conducive to capital growth.

Yes. "War is enormously expensive". Someone makes a shit tonne of money from war. It's not any nation. It's not your or I.

IE. There is a reason BAE, Lockheed, GDC, Boeing etc donate so much money to governments world wide.

The single purpose of war is profit. "

Total nonsense showing no knowledge of history, economics or evolution.

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By *ez669Man
over a year ago

East Kilbride

Against war its a pointless waste of life that benifits only those in power who gain financially.

Thankfully people seem more educated on that fact so if one does kick off there would be far less eager to sign up like in ww1 or ww2

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By *ampant Lion34Man
over a year ago

East Midlands

If you have ever been to war then you know the answer to that, war is not a romantic ideology, its brutal, unforgiven and harrowing for all, and it will never leave you.

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

Oops sorry I originally thought this was about music Edwin Star song war. Now having read properly. War is something that should never happen in this day and age it ruins so many lives

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By *ohnnyTwoNotesMan
over a year ago

golden fields


"There's no profit in peace

War is enormously expensive and often bankrupts the countries involved. Peace is far for conducive to capital growth.

Yes. "War is enormously expensive". Someone makes a shit tonne of money from war. It's not any nation. It's not your or I.

IE. There is a reason BAE, Lockheed, GDC, Boeing etc donate so much money to governments world wide.

The single purpose of war is profit.

Total nonsense showing no knowledge of history, economics or evolution."

Lol, not sure how evolution is related to the profit made from war.

The simple fact is that all those arms manufacturers, supplies and equipment manufacturers make billions from war. Saying it's "nonsense" doesn't change that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If you have ever been to war then you know the answer to that, war is not a romantic ideology, its brutal, unforgiven and harrowing for all, and it will never leave you. "

A great friend of mine has been there and I know where your coming from.

I’ve not, just heard stories and see how he is now to how he was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..........

It's not humans though, it's (almost always) men.

Women are generally not violent by nature."

Yes, there are sadly plenty of exceptions to that among women but as a rule that is certainly usually the case, presumably for basic human biological/genetic/sociological reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excuse me I came in here bells and whistles singing the song ...so I'll see myself out ----

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"......

It's not humans though, it's (almost always) men.

Women are generally not violent by nature.

Spot on. Women as a whole are far more agreeable than men are.

It doesn't mean they are less likely to be corrupted like male leaders. Power will always corrupt humans, regardless of sex "

I agree with that too.

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By *arkandlovelyWoman
over a year ago

South Derbyshire


"..........

It's not humans though, it's (almost always) men.

Women are generally not violent by nature.

Yes, there are sadly plenty of exceptions to that among women but as a rule that is certainly usually the case, presumably for basic human biological/genetic/sociological reasons."

Testosterone has a lot to answer for.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you know by now where k stand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..........

It's not humans though, it's (almost always) men.

Women are generally not violent by nature.

Yes, there are sadly plenty of exceptions to that among women but as a rule that is certainly usually the case, presumably for basic human biological/genetic/sociological reasons."

Funny that I find just as many women driving aggressively these days.

I don't think I buy into the 'women are gentle by nature' argument.

Sociological bias I can agree with but that seems to be shifting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..........

It's not humans though, it's (almost always) men.

Women are generally not violent by nature.

Yes, there are sadly plenty of exceptions to that among women but as a rule that is certainly usually the case, presumably for basic human biological/genetic/sociological reasons.

Testosterone has a lot to answer for."

Yes, I think that it is the fundamental basis, and most human social development is built on that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"..........

It's not humans though, it's (almost always) men.

Women are generally not violent by nature.

Yes, there are sadly plenty of exceptions to that among women but as a rule that is certainly usually the case, presumably for basic human biological/genetic/sociological reasons.

Funny that I find just as many women driving aggressively these days.

I don't think I buy into the 'women are gentle by nature' argument.

Sociological bias I can agree with but that seems to be shifting."

I see what you mean, but I think that is largely because modern thinking and social changes have eroded traditional and even basic human instincts and patterns of behaviour, although unfortunately they haven't similarly altered male behaviour much, it seems, except in some mainly negative ways!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I see what you mean, but I think that is largely because modern thinking and social changes have eroded traditional and even basic human instincts and patterns of behaviour, although unfortunately they haven't similarly altered male behaviour much, it seems, except in some mainly negative ways!"

There are still plenty of dickhead blokes about for sure.

In terms of war I think perhaps it's maybe more of an issue as to how easily people can be manipulated. This was very apparent during the pandemic as people quickly changed their stance according to what was in the media rather than using their own common sense.

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over a year ago


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I see what you mean, but I think that is largely because modern thinking and social changes have eroded traditional and even basic human instincts and patterns of behaviour, although unfortunately they haven't similarly altered male behaviour much, it seems, except in some mainly negative ways!

There are still plenty of dickhead blokes about for sure.

In terms of war I think perhaps it's maybe more of an issue as to how easily people can be manipulated. This was very apparent during the pandemic as people quickly changed their stance according to what was in the media rather than using their own common sense."

Yes, agreed on both points!

I know that I am not and can never be a real woman but since I became Lucy and have had mainly women friends my perspective and impressions have changed quite a lot, oddly enough.

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Yes, agreed on both points!

I know that I am not and can never be a real woman but since I became Lucy and have had mainly women friends my perspective and impressions have changed quite a lot, oddly enough."

Yeah I can imagine that gives an interesting perspective. A change in expectations perhaps.

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Yes, agreed on both points!

I know that I am not and can never be a real woman but since I became Lucy and have had mainly women friends my perspective and impressions have changed quite a lot, oddly enough.

Yeah I can imagine that gives an interesting perspective. A change in expectations perhaps."

Yes, I am not delusional and know that however physically altered one might be or however feminised, and however feminine one may feel, it is not the same as being a real woman, but it is strange how many little things I find myself seeing 'through women's eyes', especially in terms of male behaviour!

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