FabSwingers.com forum: MBE for first sex change Brit

By *els_Bells OP Woman
over a year ago

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April Ashley, the first Brit to undergo gender reassignment (sex change) has received her MBE for services to transgender equality.

Born in 1935, and went through reassignment surgery in Morroco in 1960. She was also on the cover of Vogue.

How good is it that she has been recognised for what she has done and probably had a tough time of it, the same as some tg's still have to go through in this day and age.

More power to the person rather than the outer shell people see.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Congratulations, it won't have been an easy journey but I am sure the right one xx

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By *els_Bells OP Woman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

Cant even begin to think what she had to go through!

It amazed me (may be seen by some as trivial, it really isnt btw) she even got the cover of Vogue. Even in this day and age how many TG's have even been mentioned in Vogue never mind had the cover!

Well done April, you're an inspiration!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm not in favour of gongs for doing what you do on a daily basis.

I can't see why a lollipop lady should get a medal for being a lollipop lady. If she volunteers as a Brownie leader for 40 years - that's fine.

Being transgendered is what you ARE, not what you put effort into, or sacrifice for.

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By *els_Bells OP Woman
over a year ago

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"I'm not in favour of gongs for doing what you do on a daily basis.

I can't see why a lollipop lady should get a medal for being a lollipop lady. If she volunteers as a Brownie leader for 40 years - that's fine.

Being transgendered is what you ARE, not what you put effort into, or sacrifice for."

If you read my initial post you will see she was nominated for the hard work she has put into equality for transgender.

So yes I agree and support her being recignised for the work she has done and can only imagine the walls she has come up against over the years.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm not in favour of gongs for doing what you do on a daily basis.

I can't see why a lollipop lady should get a medal for being a lollipop lady. If she volunteers as a Brownie leader for 40 years - that's fine.

Being transgendered is what you ARE, not what you put effort into, or sacrifice for.

If you read my initial post you will see she was nominated for the hard work she has put into equality for transgender.

So yes I agree and support her being recignised for the work she has done and can only imagine the walls she has come up against over the years."

I don't doubt it. I'd just be happier to recognise those who worked for others, rather than themselves (or their ilk).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't worry OP. I get it

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By *els_Bells OP Woman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

"I'm not in favour of gongs for doing what you do on a daily basis.

I can't see why a lollipop lady should get a medal for being a lollipop lady. If she volunteers as a Brownie leader for 40 years - that's fine.

Being transgendered is what you ARE, not what you put effort into, or sacrifice for.

If you read my initial post you will see she was nominated for the hard work she has put into equality for transgender.

So yes I agree and support her being recignised for the work she has done and can only imagine the walls she has come up against over the years.

I don't doubt it. I'd just be happier to recognise those who worked for others, rather than themselves (or their ilk)."

I understand and accept what tou are saying, but your earlier post seems to take away the fact April deserves it. She's not a well paid star, public interest or well known famous person/sports star.

I want to show my respect and comgratulations to someone who deserved acknowledgement in my eyes.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm not in favour of gongs for doing what you do on a daily basis.

I can't see why a lollipop lady should get a medal for being a lollipop lady. If she volunteers as a Brownie leader for 40 years - that's fine.

Being transgendered is what you ARE, not what you put effort into, or sacrifice for.

If you read my initial post you will see she was nominated for the hard work she has put into equality for transgender.

So yes I agree and support her being recignised for the work she has done and can only imagine the walls she has come up against over the years.

I don't doubt it. I'd just be happier to recognise those who worked for others, rather than themselves (or their ilk).

I understand and accept what tou are saying, but your earlier post seems to take away the fact April deserves it. She's not a well paid star, public interest or well known famous person/sports star.

I want to show my respect and comgratulations to someone who deserved acknowledgement in my eyes."

I dunno if she deserves it.

There are people who do what they do for themselves and those who do what they do for others.

Any proof which category she falls into?

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By *els_Bells OP Woman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

As I aforementioned, April has done a lot of good for transgender equality. Sorry dont have the full facts and figures to hand, but will dig them out tomorrow for you. Or try google to see what she achieved

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"As I aforementioned, April has done a lot of good for transgender equality. Sorry dont have the full facts and figures to hand, but will dig them out tomorrow for you. Or try google to see what she achieved

No, thanks. Don't bother digging out the 'facts'.

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By *els_Bells OP Woman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

No, thanks. Don't bother digging out the 'facts'."

Fair enough.

So you have no real grounds in saying she doesnt deserve her gong then?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

No, thanks. Don't bother digging out the 'facts'.

Fair enough.

So you have no real grounds in saying she doesnt deserve her gong then?

Indeed I do.

I see no evidence she/ he's done anything other than promote transgendered people (ie her/him).

That's not what gongs ought to be about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it's well deserved, it takes a lot to stand up for your beliefs/lifestyle!!

Especially back in the 60's, 70's when people weren't as openminded/educated on these topics.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I think it's well deserved, it takes a lot to stand up for your beliefs/lifestyle!!

Especially back in the 60's, 70's when people weren't as openminded/educated on these topics. "

What are April's beliefs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's well deserved, it takes a lot to stand up for your beliefs/lifestyle!!

Especially back in the 60's, 70's when people weren't as openminded/educated on these topics.

What are April's beliefs?"

That people shouldn't be judged for the lifestyle she and others choose.

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

So a blind person who has furthered the rights of blind people shouldn't get a gong?

Or a black person who has spent a lifetime working for equal rights?

Or even Simon Weston who spent years working for the rights of injured veterans?

She could have had her sex change and then slipped into anonymity - as far as I remember she was able to get her birth certificate changed, that law came after her. She had no reason to stand up and be counted and yet she did, repeatedly.

For many it is accident of birth which puts them in the position where they are challenged. It is how they rise to that challenge and the grace and bravery and commitment they have to taking that challenge on that leads to people getting gongs - ffs civil servants get gongs cos they do their jobs satisfactorily!!!

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

"I think it's well deserved, it takes a lot to stand up for your beliefs/lifestyle!!

Especially back in the 60's, 70's when people weren't as openminded/educated on these topics.

What are April's beliefs?

That people shouldn't be judged for the lifestyle she and others choose.

Trans gender is not a choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it's well deserved, it takes a lot to stand up for your beliefs/lifestyle!!

Especially back in the 60's, 70's when people weren't as openminded/educated on these topics.

What are April's beliefs?

That people shouldn't be judged for the lifestyle she and others choose.

Trans gender is not a choice."

I understand that, I meant more of they shouldn't have to hide who they are through fear of being judged.

I'm not the best at wording things correctly

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By *els_Bells OP Woman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

"So a blind person who has furthered the rights of blind people shouldn't get a gong?

Or a black person who has spent a lifetime working for equal rights?

Or even Simon Weston who spent years working for the rights of injured veterans?

Thank you to my favourite fluffer for getting my point across

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

Cameron chasing the TV/TS vote? Wouldn't surprise us, he's done everything else from grovelling to the IRA to paying 'yuman rights' money to terrorists.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"Cameron chasing the TV/TS vote? Wouldn't surprise us, he's done everything else from grovelling to the IRA to paying 'yuman rights' money to terrorists. "

people can't even get an award without it being cheapened

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Cameron chasing the TV/TS vote? "

Not that sure its that high on the electoral reforms agenda for a specific 'push for the transgender voters tbh'..

who knows eh..

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By *els_Bells OP Woman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

"Cameron chasing the TV/TS vote? Wouldn't surprise us, he's done everything else from grovelling to the IRA to paying 'yuman rights' money to terrorists.

people can't even get an award without it being cheapened"
good grief, I'm sorry I brought this up now

Such a shame some cant just be happy for someone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cameron chasing the TV/TS vote? Wouldn't surprise us, he's done everything else from grovelling to the IRA to paying 'yuman rights' money to terrorists.

people can't even get an award without it being cheapened"

several daily readers agree

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Well, i think its wonderful and i hope many transgender people are inspired by her. The fact it could stop one commiting suicide or living a lie for a life

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