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" I'm all for sensible, peaceful protest " Peaceful protest doesn't work though. | |||
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"I am all for stopping oil but what do they propose to replace it with? It’s like the people at work who you can guarantee will moan about stuff (and they are often right) but they never put forward a _viable_ solution. Oil is literally everywhere in our society. How do they propose to change that?" I have no idea I don't have the skills. | |||
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"I am all for stopping oil but what do they propose to replace it with? It’s like the people at work who you can guarantee will moan about stuff (and they are often right) but they never put forward a _viable_ solution. Oil is literally everywhere in our society. How do they propose to change that? I have no idea I don't have the skills. " And that is the issue - I don’t think anyone does. | |||
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"It just makes me laugh its more minor annoyance than protest its more similar to little shit teens egging your car than awt "Judging by these forums, and the Daily Mail comments section. This "minor annoyance" is causing lots of anger and confusion. | |||
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"I am all for stopping oil but what do they propose to replace it with? It’s like the people at work who you can guarantee will moan about stuff (and they are often right) but they never put forward a _viable_ solution. Oil is literally everywhere in our society. How do they propose to change that? I have no idea I don't have the skills. And that is the issue - I don’t think anyone does." We do, there are alternatives to everything. It needs time, investment and political will. The problem is, there's no profit in it. And there's billions and billions of £ in oil and fossil fuel. | |||
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"I am all for stopping oil but what do they propose to replace it with? It’s like the people at work who you can guarantee will moan about stuff (and they are often right) but they never put forward a _viable_ solution. Oil is literally everywhere in our society. How do they propose to change that? I have no idea I don't have the skills. And that is the issue - I don’t think anyone does. We do, there are alternatives to everything. It needs time, investment and political will. The problem is, there's no profit in it. And there's billions and billions of £ in oil and fossil fuel." Genuine question: is it viable or not? If you can’t fund it then it is not viable. Surely the best way to get it funded is to put forward a political party with a manifesto outlining everything that will need to change. If everyone is behind the plan then that would make it viable. If they can’t pull that off then it is not viable. I have never seen a party with a _complete_ manifesto for transitioning away from oil. | |||
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"I am all for stopping oil but what do they propose to replace it with? It’s like the people at work who you can guarantee will moan about stuff (and they are often right) but they never put forward a _viable_ solution. Oil is literally everywhere in our society. How do they propose to change that? I have no idea I don't have the skills. And that is the issue - I don’t think anyone does. We do, there are alternatives to everything. It needs time, investment and political will. The problem is, there's no profit in it. And there's billions and billions of £ in oil and fossil fuel. Genuine question: is it viable or not? If you can’t fund it then it is not viable. Surely the best way to get it funded is to put forward a political party with a manifesto outlining everything that will need to change. If everyone is behind the plan then that would make it viable. If they can’t pull that off then it is not viable. I have never seen a party with a _complete_ manifesto for transitioning away from oil." Absolutely. But the political party won't have the funds, as say the Tories do, to be an effective alternative on all the other issues. Complete transition off oil is a long way off. The key is to move faster towards this aim. | |||
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"There's an undeniable climate crisis, world leaders seem slow to act. The only way change ever happens is by protest. I don't agree with everything they do, I think they're misguided in certain actions they take but they've got people talking." They’re doing well to convince me to have anything to do with such nonsense. Including bullshit climate emergencies. | |||
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"I am all for stopping oil but what do they propose to replace it with? It’s like the people at work who you can guarantee will moan about stuff (and they are often right) but they never put forward a _viable_ solution. Oil is literally everywhere in our society. How do they propose to change that? I have no idea I don't have the skills. And that is the issue - I don’t think anyone does. We do, there are alternatives to everything. It needs time, investment and political will. The problem is, there's no profit in it. And there's billions and billions of £ in oil and fossil fuel. Genuine question: is it viable or not? If you can’t fund it then it is not viable. Surely the best way to get it funded is to put forward a political party with a manifesto outlining everything that will need to change. If everyone is behind the plan then that would make it viable. If they can’t pull that off then it is not viable. I have never seen a party with a _complete_ manifesto for transitioning away from oil. Absolutely. But the political party won't have the funds, as say the Tories do, to be an effective alternative on all the other issues. Complete transition off oil is a long way off. The key is to move faster towards this aim." this is so true - we have wasted so much time already ignoring warnings. | |||
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"There's an undeniable climate crisis, world leaders seem slow to act. The only way change ever happens is by protest. I don't agree with everything they do, I think they're misguided in certain actions they take but they've got people talking. They’re doing well to convince me to have anything to do with such nonsense. Including bullshit climate emergencies. " If you don't understand climate change, and think the science behind it is "bullshit". Then you're not really the target audience for these protesters. | |||
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"There's an undeniable climate crisis, world leaders seem slow to act. The only way change ever happens is by protest. I don't agree with everything they do, I think they're misguided in certain actions they take but they've got people talking. They’re doing well to convince me to have anything to do with such nonsense. Including bullshit climate emergencies. If you don't understand climate change, and think the science behind it is "bullshit". Then you're not really the target audience for these protesters." Quite a lot of scientists believe it is natural change, the planet has heated up and cooled down since it was formed and that will continue long after we are goon. | |||
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"There's an undeniable climate crisis, world leaders seem slow to act. The only way change ever happens is by protest. I don't agree with everything they do, I think they're misguided in certain actions they take but they've got people talking. They’re doing well to convince me to have anything to do with such nonsense. Including bullshit climate emergencies. If you don't understand climate change, and think the science behind it is "bullshit". Then you're not really the target audience for these protesters. Quite a lot of scientists believe it is natural change, the planet has heated up and cooled down since it was formed and that will continue long after we are goon." Nope. No scientists think the current climate change is natural. (Except those employed by the fossil fuels industry) The natural cycles run over 30-40 thousand years. Not the couple of hundred since the industrial revolution. The science behind climate change has been well understood since the early 80s. And has been refined since. | |||
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"Future generations, if society survives, will say they tried. Unlike most of the shitstains on this planet."  | |||
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"There's an undeniable climate crisis, world leaders seem slow to act. The only way change ever happens is by protest. I don't agree with everything they do, I think they're misguided in certain actions they take but they've got people talking. They’re doing well to convince me to have anything to do with such nonsense. Including bullshit climate emergencies. If you don't understand climate change, and think the science behind it is "bullshit". Then you're not really the target audience for these protesters. Quite a lot of scientists believe it is natural change, the planet has heated up and cooled down since it was formed and that will continue long after we are goon. Nope. No scientists think the current climate change is natural. (Except those employed by the fossil fuels industry) The natural cycles run over 30-40 thousand years. Not the couple of hundred since the industrial revolution. The science behind climate change has been well understood since the early 80s. And has been refined since." There are still plenty of scientists that don't agree with man made climate change as a quick Google search will show. If I can find it, I will link a peice by the from memory Japanese mathematician who's calculations are used by climate change scientists to prove their point, in the piece he states that they have used his maths out of context and come to incorrect conclusion. Nasa have also recently released an article on how the movement of the moon has caused increased high tides causing flooding and that it is likely that this will continue to worsen. | |||
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"Respect their right to protest Don't respect the way they go about it" Yeh this is where I sort of stand on it The problem is i dont think many people (myself included) understand how that change to renewable would safely occur and in a reasonable fashion. Like could we at current levels achieve anywhere even close to what's needed (I suspect not) If not then surely we are still reliant on fossil fuels and its correct to move forward assuming money is being put into changing this over time. | |||
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"There's an undeniable climate crisis, world leaders seem slow to act. The only way change ever happens is by protest. I don't agree with everything they do, I think they're misguided in certain actions they take but they've got people talking. They’re doing well to convince me to have anything to do with such nonsense. Including bullshit climate emergencies. If you don't understand climate change, and think the science behind it is "bullshit". Then you're not really the target audience for these protesters. Quite a lot of scientists believe it is natural change, the planet has heated up and cooled down since it was formed and that will continue long after we are goon. Nope. No scientists think the current climate change is natural. (Except those employed by the fossil fuels industry) The natural cycles run over 30-40 thousand years. Not the couple of hundred since the industrial revolution. The science behind climate change has been well understood since the early 80s. And has been refined since. There are still plenty of scientists that don't agree with man made climate change as a quick Google search will show. If I can find it, I will link a peice by the from memory Japanese mathematician who's calculations are used by climate change scientists to prove their point, in the piece he states that they have used his maths out of context and come to incorrect conclusion. Nasa have also recently released an article on how the movement of the moon has caused increased high tides causing flooding and that it is likely that this will continue to worsen." Sure feel free to link it up. | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over. "Exactly. It's almost as if they've been asleep for the past ten years, they're so far behind the curve | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over. "People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change. | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over. "Top post
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change."They're not revolutionaries though are they? They're not going to bring about the sweeping, wide reaching change by blocking cars or gluing themselves to walls. That's not revolutionary, that's virtue signalling idiocy. Ill thought through idiocy as well | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
They're not revolutionaries though are they? They're not going to bring about the sweeping, wide reaching change by blocking cars or gluing themselves to walls. That's not revolutionary, that's virtue signalling idiocy. Ill thought through idiocy as well "That's what people said about the suffragettes. Who quite clearly achieved nothing | |||
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"Need to get tough on them. Lock them up on long sentences or issue them large fines. Remove them from free NHS and benefits for life. If they want to stop oil then go and work out what you can replace it with for the same price." Ah. Locking up political dissidents. That's the British way. People disagree with us and hurt our brave noble fee fees, so we should clamp down on them like China or Russia, because freedom | |||
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"For the people calling them morons... Whats a better way for them to bring attention to the issue and get actual change" I'm hoping this is an extinction burst of outcry against our total reliance on destroying this planet. Or, maybe our children will be grateful that a few people got really wealthy and destroyed humanity forever. | |||
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"For the people calling them morons... Whats a better way for them to bring attention to the issue and get actual change" Agreed. Takes guts and time and effort. If we did not have protests, the eleite would have got their way 100% no questions asked. These oil protesters, chucking stuff over old paintings etc should not happen - they could easily throw the stuff on the wall next to it. Those blocking roads, do it for ten mins and move on and let the workers that pay taxes to help those on benefits etc go to work. | |||
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"Need to get tough on them. Lock them up on long sentences or issue them large fines. Remove them from free NHS and benefits for life. If they want to stop oil then go and work out what you can replace it with for the same price." This is a naieve point beyond belief. Is that really the world you want to live in? What about when you go against the agreed opinion.... orr as is more likely , you don't ever have original thought | |||
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"That's what people said about the suffragettes. Who quite clearly achieved nothing "People bang on about the suffragettes, but from the social history programs I’ve heard on the wireless, it was the long term efforts of the largely forgotten Suffragists that did the most to win the cause. The Suffragettes are just remembered because they made the headlines. | |||
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"That's what people said about the suffragettes. Who quite clearly achieved nothing
People bang on about the suffragettes, but from the social history programs I’ve heard on the wireless, it was the long term efforts of the largely forgotten Suffragists that did the most to win the cause.
The Suffragettes are just remembered because they made the headlines. "They're often conflated. And history is notoriously rewritten. Ultimately to make it look like these changes were inevitable rather than fought for. The oil barons are not going to care if our children starve. Someone needs to fight for the future, and I'm glad they are. | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
They're not revolutionaries though are they? They're not going to bring about the sweeping, wide reaching change by blocking cars or gluing themselves to walls. That's not revolutionary, that's virtue signalling idiocy. Ill thought through idiocy as well
That's what people said about the suffragettes.
Who quite clearly achieved nothing "You're seriously co.paring the suffragettes to these lot? Jeez... | |||
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"Silly fuckers. Gluing themselves to the wall by a painting, shouting about how people were struggling to afford soup...after they'd just thrown two tins of it at the painting. I'm all for sensible, peaceful protest, in fact I believe it is a sovereign human right to be able to protest...but these people are just idiots going about it in totally the wrong way. If they want to stop oil, go protest outside shells UK headquarters. " ahhh but the idea was to get noticed and bad advertising is just as good as good advertising, you've noticed and are talking about it  | |||
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"I find it hilarious, it’s like watching someone else kid have a tantrum in the super market." Followed by the inevitable bribe to get the kid to shut up!!! | |||
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"Silly fuckers. Gluing themselves to the wall by a painting, shouting about how people were struggling to afford soup...after they'd just thrown two tins of it at the painting. I'm all for sensible, peaceful protest, in fact I believe it is a sovereign human right to be able to protest...but these people are just idiots going about it in totally the wrong way. If they want to stop oil, go protest outside shells UK headquarters. ahhh but the idea was to get noticed and bad advertising is just as good as good advertising, you've noticed and are talking about it "No. I'm talking about them, not the issue they are trying to highlight. There's a difference. | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
They're not revolutionaries though are they? They're not going to bring about the sweeping, wide reaching change by blocking cars or gluing themselves to walls. That's not revolutionary, that's virtue signalling idiocy. Ill thought through idiocy as well
That's what people said about the suffragettes.
Who quite clearly achieved nothing
You're seriously co.paring the suffragettes to these lot?
Jeez..."I actually think the very future of humanity is *more* important than women being allowed to vote. If I had to choose only one activist movement, they'd be well above suffrage. | |||
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" People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change." Totally unrelatable subjects. The suffragettes had a problem and a solution. These people have no solution. | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
They're not revolutionaries though are they? They're not going to bring about the sweeping, wide reaching change by blocking cars or gluing themselves to walls. That's not revolutionary, that's virtue signalling idiocy. Ill thought through idiocy as well
That's what people said about the suffragettes.
Who quite clearly achieved nothing
You're seriously co.paring the suffragettes to these lot?
Jeez...
I actually think the very future of humanity is *more* important than women being allowed to vote.
If I had to choose only one activist movement, they'd be well above suffrage." | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
They're not revolutionaries though are they? They're not going to bring about the sweeping, wide reaching change by blocking cars or gluing themselves to walls. That's not revolutionary, that's virtue signalling idiocy. Ill thought through idiocy as well
That's what people said about the suffragettes.
Who quite clearly achieved nothing
You're seriously co.paring the suffragettes to these lot?
Jeez...
I actually think the very future of humanity is *more* important than women being allowed to vote.
If I had to choose only one activist movement, they'd be well above suffrage."Next time you glue yourself to a walk, can I come and throw soup at you? I'll even let you choose which soup! | |||
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"That's what people said about the suffragettes. Who quite clearly achieved nothing
People bang on about the suffragettes, but from the social history programs I’ve heard on the wireless, it was the long term efforts of the largely forgotten Suffragists that did the most to win the cause.
The Suffragettes are just remembered because they made the headlines.
They're often conflated.
And history is notoriously rewritten. Ultimately to make it look like these changes were inevitable rather than fought for.
The oil barons are not going to care if our children starve.
Someone needs to fight for the future, and I'm glad they are."But I am not suggesting the changes were inevitable, far from it , I‘n pointing out that the efforts and accomplishments of an alternative method have been largely overlooked or forgotten about. Perhaps it’s recognition doesn’t suit the agenda. | |||
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" People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change. Totally unrelatable subjects. The suffragettes had a problem and a solution. These people have no solution. " Well...their solution appears to involve glue, soup and lots of shouting. | |||
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"Silly fuckers. Gluing themselves to the wall by a painting, shouting about how people were struggling to afford soup...after they'd just thrown two tins of it at the painting. I'm all for sensible, peaceful protest, in fact I believe it is a sovereign human right to be able to protest...but these people are just idiots going about it in totally the wrong way. If they want to stop oil, go protest outside shells UK headquarters. ahhh but the idea was to get noticed and bad advertising is just as good as good advertising, you've noticed and are talking about it
No. I'm talking about them, not the issue they are trying to highlight. There's a difference."true but talking about it nonetheless others will be discussing the issues they are trying to draw attention to | |||
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"Silly fuckers. Gluing themselves to the wall by a painting, shouting about how people were struggling to afford soup...after they'd just thrown two tins of it at the painting. I'm all for sensible, peaceful protest, in fact I believe it is a sovereign human right to be able to protest...but these people are just idiots going about it in totally the wrong way. If they want to stop oil, go protest outside shells UK headquarters. ahhh but the idea was to get noticed and bad advertising is just as good as good advertising, you've noticed and are talking about it
No. I'm talking about them, not the issue they are trying to highlight. There's a difference.true but talking about it nonetheless others will be discussing the issues they are trying to draw attention to "Again...not talking about "it", but talking about "them". David Attenborough has raised more awareness of climate change. He has a platform and uses it correctly. | |||
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" People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change. Totally unrelatable subjects. The suffragettes had a problem and a solution. These people have no solution. So we should give up and let our children face the destruction of civilisation? Sure. Ok. That makes sense." Why leap to simply giving up? No one is suggesting that at all. The protests need to raise awareness of the issues, not the protesters. Right message, wrong delivery. | |||
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"That's what people said about the suffragettes. Who quite clearly achieved nothing
People bang on about the suffragettes, but from the social history programs I’ve heard on the wireless, it was the long term efforts of the largely forgotten Suffragists that did the most to win the cause.
The Suffragettes are just remembered because they made the headlines.
They're often conflated.
And history is notoriously rewritten. Ultimately to make it look like these changes were inevitable rather than fought for.
The oil barons are not going to care if our children starve.
Someone needs to fight for the future, and I'm glad they are.
But I am not suggesting the changes were inevitable, far from it , I‘n pointing out that the efforts and accomplishments of an alternative method have been largely overlooked or forgotten about.
Perhaps it’s recognition doesn’t suit the agenda. "I'm not saying you are. Whoever did it, society pushed back on the monstrous idea of women getting the vote and the way it would change everything forever. Just like so many here are horrified by people standing up for the future of the planet. Sorry you won't be able to feed your kids, kids, saving the planet got in the way of my holibobs. | |||
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" People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change. Totally unrelatable subjects. The suffragettes had a problem and a solution. These people have no solution. So we should give up and let our children face the destruction of civilisation? Sure. Ok. That makes sense. Why leap to simply giving up? No one is suggesting that at all. The protests need to raise awareness of the issues, not the protesters. Right message, wrong delivery." So decades of education and activism need to suit the delicate fee fees of the elite? Sorry about the melting ice caps and the prehistoric diseases you're now fighting, kids, the billionaires had their knickers in a twist so we couldn't help. | |||
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"For the people calling them morons... Whats a better way for them to bring attention to the issue and get actual change" But they are not bringing attention to the issue, they are bringing attention to themselves. Which, let's face it, is the very definition of virtue-signalling. A 40C heatwave in Britain. Hurricane Ian. Flooding across Europe. All of these bring attention to global warming and make people more aware. A bunch of smug, self-righteous, middle-class wankers gluing themselves to the North Circular just pisses people off. | |||
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"For the people calling them morons... Whats a better way for them to bring attention to the issue and get actual change But they are not bringing attention to the issue, they are bringing attention to themselves. Which, let's face it, is the very definition of virtue-signalling. A 40C heatwave in Britain. Hurricane Ian. Flooding across Europe. All of these bring attention to global warming and make people more aware. A bunch of smug, self-righteous, middle-class wankers gluing themselves to the North Circular just pisses people off. " It has got people talking about it regardless of what you think. If that's the aim, rightly or wrongly they have succeeded. I say again, what's the solution to bring it more attention? I cant help disagree with their methods but for the life of me I cant see a better way of creating attention | |||
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"Virtue signaling morons the lot of them. If anything, instead of raising awareness for their "cause" they detract from it given the disruption they cause. Real change is through civic action and networking, not through publicity stunts. Btw, if they're concerned about the impact fossil fuels has on our everyday lives they'll soon get a whiff of it when rolling blackouts, deindustrialization and economic misery comes knocking. I'm sure everyone will feel so much better in helping save the planet when they're cold and hungry. " Some of us have the strength to sacrifice for our children. Or other people's children. | |||
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"If there was a cost effective viable replacement available you can guarantee they would be transferring their stock from the oil & gas into it - as soon as an alternative becomes commercially viable thats when things will change. " Just to expand on this. Globally, fossil fuel subsidies are were $5.9 trillion in 2020. fossil fuels are artificially economically viable. | |||
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"If there was a cost effective viable replacement available you can guarantee they would be transferring their stock from the oil & gas into it - as soon as an alternative becomes commercially viable thats when things will change. Just to expand on this. Globally, fossil fuel subsidies are were $5.9 trillion in 2020. fossil fuels are artificially economically viable." I mean it's a bit like the free hand of the market (subsidies and exclusions apply, and if they piss us off it doesn't count) | |||
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"Good luck to them. People are talking about their cause and that's the first step in getting change " | |||
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"According to various articles just stop oil are being funded in part by the family of an oil tycoon. "Whats the point here? Rich person has conscience ? Granddaughter uses inheritance to fund climate emergency protestors? | |||
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"According to various articles just stop oil are being funded in part by the family of an oil tycoon.
Whats the point here?
Rich person has conscience ?
Granddaughter uses inheritance to fund climate emergency protestors?"I think a point gets missed when people look into critical thinking. The source (or funding source) is one thing to consider when evaluating claims and actions. But as with most difficult things in the popular milieu, it's oversimplified. I don't know enough about the funding source, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's astroturfing. Nor does that it mean that the aim is unworthy. | |||
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" People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change. Totally unrelatable subjects. The suffragettes had a problem and a solution. These people have no solution. Well...their solution appears to involve glue, soup and lots of shouting." That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum." Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid? | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid?" There is no other way. People dont care, or at least dont care enough. Its not real enough to them and their lives are a struggle as it is without being asked to give up even more. And i dont blame them | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid? There is no other way. People dont care, or at least dont care enough. Its not real enough to them and their lives are a struggle as it is without being asked to give up even more. And i dont blame them" I've read recently a theory that the politically powerful are trying to push populations towards learned helplessness so that we accept our lot and never push back against injustice. Just suffer worse and worse. Unfortunately it seems to be a reasonable theory that bears out in the real world. People don't care even if it'll destroy civilisation. It's an indictment of all of us, frankly | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid? There is no other way. People dont care, or at least dont care enough. Its not real enough to them and their lives are a struggle as it is without being asked to give up even more. And i dont blame them I've read recently a theory that the politically powerful are trying to push populations towards learned helplessness so that we accept our lot and never push back against injustice. Just suffer worse and worse. Unfortunately it seems to be a reasonable theory that bears out in the real world. People don't care even if it'll destroy civilisation. It's an indictment of all of us, frankly " That sounds suspiciously like a conspiracy theory to me. I thought they were supposed to be dismissed out of hand and somebody espousing it to be decried as a 'right wing looney'. Like when anyone had the audacity to push back against lockdowns or vaccine mandates... | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid? There is no other way. People dont care, or at least dont care enough. Its not real enough to them and their lives are a struggle as it is without being asked to give up even more. And i dont blame them I've read recently a theory that the politically powerful are trying to push populations towards learned helplessness so that we accept our lot and never push back against injustice. Just suffer worse and worse. Unfortunately it seems to be a reasonable theory that bears out in the real world. People don't care even if it'll destroy civilisation. It's an indictment of all of us, frankly " Not only that, but they lash out at those who do speak up. | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid? There is no other way. People dont care, or at least dont care enough. Its not real enough to them and their lives are a struggle as it is without being asked to give up even more. And i dont blame them I've read recently a theory that the politically powerful are trying to push populations towards learned helplessness so that we accept our lot and never push back against injustice. Just suffer worse and worse. Unfortunately it seems to be a reasonable theory that bears out in the real world. People don't care even if it'll destroy civilisation. It's an indictment of all of us, frankly That sounds suspiciously like a conspiracy theory to me. I thought they were supposed to be dismissed out of hand and somebody espousing it to be decried as a 'right wing looney'. Like when anyone had the audacity to push back against lockdowns or vaccine mandates... " I'm sorry if you mistake intellectual inquiry with the wailings of shitstains | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid? There is no other way. People dont care, or at least dont care enough. Its not real enough to them and their lives are a struggle as it is without being asked to give up even more. And i dont blame them I've read recently a theory that the politically powerful are trying to push populations towards learned helplessness so that we accept our lot and never push back against injustice. Just suffer worse and worse. Unfortunately it seems to be a reasonable theory that bears out in the real world. People don't care even if it'll destroy civilisation. It's an indictment of all of us, frankly Not only that, but they lash out at those who do speak up." Quite. Fuck them. | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid? There is no other way. People dont care, or at least dont care enough. Its not real enough to them and their lives are a struggle as it is without being asked to give up even more. And i dont blame them I've read recently a theory that the politically powerful are trying to push populations towards learned helplessness so that we accept our lot and never push back against injustice. Just suffer worse and worse. Unfortunately it seems to be a reasonable theory that bears out in the real world. People don't care even if it'll destroy civilisation. It's an indictment of all of us, frankly That sounds suspiciously like a conspiracy theory to me. I thought they were supposed to be dismissed out of hand and somebody espousing it to be decried as a 'right wing looney'. Like when anyone had the audacity to push back against lockdowns or vaccine mandates... I'm sorry if you mistake intellectual inquiry with the wailings of shitstains " Well youre quoting a theory which would involve all the big govts of the world coming together to agree on some almost dystopian plan to suppress humanity. How is that any different from the 'shitstains' who claimed similar things re lockdows, vaccine mandates etc? For the record, im not dismissing it, just like i didnt dismiss those who you have denigrated as shitstains. Im just curious how you square that circle? | |||
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" That's not a solution, that's a tantrum. Whats the other option? What's the solution to make people care more than they do now? I've asked that 3 times now and not one person as replied. I'm not in anyway a fan of stupidity like this, but if it works and we can't find a better solution then is it stupid? There is no other way. People dont care, or at least dont care enough. Its not real enough to them and their lives are a struggle as it is without being asked to give up even more. And i dont blame them I've read recently a theory that the politically powerful are trying to push populations towards learned helplessness so that we accept our lot and never push back against injustice. Just suffer worse and worse. Unfortunately it seems to be a reasonable theory that bears out in the real world. People don't care even if it'll destroy civilisation. It's an indictment of all of us, frankly That sounds suspiciously like a conspiracy theory to me. I thought they were supposed to be dismissed out of hand and somebody espousing it to be decried as a 'right wing looney'. Like when anyone had the audacity to push back against lockdowns or vaccine mandates... I'm sorry if you mistake intellectual inquiry with the wailings of shitstains Well youre quoting a theory which would involve all the big govts of the world coming together to agree on some almost dystopian plan to suppress humanity. How is that any different from the 'shitstains' who claimed similar things re lockdows, vaccine mandates etc? For the record, im not dismissing it, just like i didnt dismiss those who you have denigrated as shitstains. Im just curious how you square that circle? " One, I'm not saying it's true, I'm saying it's plausible and persuasive. Two, I'm not suggesting action that I would take if it were not the case (certainly not throwing away public health protections like a shitstain). Three, I'm not suggesting a global conspiracy of baddies twiddling moustaches, I'm suggesting a theory of the manipulation of power. It's interesting. If it's true, we need to reduce reliance on oil. If it's not true, we need to reduce reliance on oil. If it's true, we need to examine the way our societies work. If it's not true, we need to examine the way our societies work. | |||
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"I've heard nothing about the pair of clowns who shut the Dartford bridge for 2 days last week, any idea what happened to them ?? A senior copper on the radio said they were looking at 7 years "thanks to them an ambulance was held up for 40 minutes the lady sadly died but what’s one life in the name of their cause | |||
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"Good luck to them. People are talking about their cause and that's the first step in getting change "Not happening, people are not talking about their cause but their actions. Thee is no sympathy & they are turning people against them & their cause. Just arrogant, self indulgent fools. | |||
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"There's an undeniable climate crisis, world leaders seem slow to act. The only way change ever happens is by protest. I don't agree with everything they do, I think they're misguided in certain actions they take but they've got people talking." The so called climate crisis is unstoppable & been coming for millions of years, the polar cap will continue to melt as it has been since the start of the ice age but faster like an ice cube does as it reduces. Live your life & enjoy it, the world will end but not yet & no action any of us take will change that. The situation is Government use it as an excuse to tax, business create green industry & idiots protest about something that can't be stopped but like a class war to stop private jets & 4x4 motors. | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change."That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it. | |||
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"Not happening, people are not talking about their cause but their actions. Thee is no sympathy & they are turning people against them & their cause. " Are you turned against the cause? Do you doubt climate change because a couple of morons behave like 16 year olds with newly found politics ? | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it."Ok, if you believe that or can get it from my posts, you do you. | |||
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"Not happening, people are not talking about their cause but their actions. Thee is no sympathy & they are turning people against them & their cause. Are you turned against the cause? Do you doubt climate change because a couple of morons behave like 16 year olds with newly found politics ?" I mean isn't this the fucking ridiculous thing. "Let's destroy society because these activists made me late for work. That'll show them" | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it.
Ok, if you believe that or can get it from my posts, you do you. "So you condone murder then? | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it.
Ok, if you believe that or can get it from my posts, you do you.
So you condone murder then? "I mean that's some creative reading. Maybe on a planet where words don't mean things? | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it.
Ok, if you believe that or can get it from my posts, you do you.
So you condone murder then?
I mean that's some creative reading. Maybe on a planet where words don't mean things?"Maybe you’d like to explain the five people murdered and 24 injured in the suffragette arson and bombing campaign? Still a fan girl? | |||
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"Tbf^^ They're absolutely right. Stupid suffragettes. Man power!! Whos with me" Another terrorist sympathiser…well done you. | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it.
Ok, if you believe that or can get it from my posts, you do you.
So you condone murder then?
I mean that's some creative reading. Maybe on a planet where words don't mean things?
Maybe you’d like to explain the five people murdered and 24 injured in the suffragette arson and bombing campaign? Still a fan girl?"Yes. I am. I can support a movement without supporting every action taken by that movement. Shall I keep that in mind when people say they're proud to be British and proud of the empire? If supporting protest and the suffragettes makes me pro murder, then being proud to be British makes people pro genocide. Complete genocide - remembering that the Holocaust was incomplete genocide | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it.
Ok, if you believe that or can get it from my posts, you do you.
So you condone murder then?
I mean that's some creative reading. Maybe on a planet where words don't mean things?
Maybe you’d like to explain the five people murdered and 24 injured in the suffragette arson and bombing campaign? Still a fan girl?
Yes. I am. I can support a movement without supporting every action taken by that movement.
Shall I keep that in mind when people say they're proud to be British and proud of the empire? If supporting protest and the suffragettes makes me pro murder, then being proud to be British makes people pro genocide. Complete genocide - remembering that the Holocaust was incomplete genocide "Nice deflection. You do you. I’ll do me. I’ll continue to not support Terrorrists and murderers. | |||
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"I've heard nothing about the pair of clowns who shut the Dartford bridge for 2 days last week, any idea what happened to them ?? A senior copper on the radio said they were looking at 7 years "Fingers crossed | |||
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" So you condone murder as well ? " Condone it? I fund it, I give to these terrorist suffragette movements you always see hijacking planes | |||
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" So you condone murder as well ? Condone it? I fund it, I give to these terrorist suffragette movements you always see hijacking planes" Look up the definition of terrorism. | |||
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"I've heard nothing about the pair of clowns who shut the Dartford bridge for 2 days last week, any idea what happened to them ?? A senior copper on the radio said they were looking at 7 years
Fingers crossed"Ooh...they closed dartford bridge for two days. Best I go think long and hard about using my car this week. They've really inspired me now... | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it.
Ok, if you believe that or can get it from my posts, you do you.
So you condone murder then?
I mean that's some creative reading. Maybe on a planet where words don't mean things?
Maybe you’d like to explain the five people murdered and 24 injured in the suffragette arson and bombing campaign? Still a fan girl?
Yes. I am. I can support a movement without supporting every action taken by that movement.
Shall I keep that in mind when people say they're proud to be British and proud of the empire? If supporting protest and the suffragettes makes me pro murder, then being proud to be British makes people pro genocide. Complete genocide - remembering that the Holocaust was incomplete genocide
Nice deflection. You do you.
I’ll do me. I’ll continue to not support Terrorrists and murderers.
"No, I'm just applying your logic. But if in your world, giving a shit about the future means supporting terrorists and murderers, fine, I guess words don't mean things. "The patriots locked up everyone who disagreed with them because freedom, and the bold noble holibobs were a fabulous sacrifice for current civilisations. Only terrorists and murderers cared about their descendants being able to survive" | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism. " IRA style? Or Nelson Mandela style? | |||
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"I’m struggling with the notion, suggested by many on here, that, ‘they’ve got people talking ‘ so that’s a result. They haven’t really got people talking about the issue, they’ve got people talking about them. They haven’t got people talking about the issue because people have been and are talking about the issue already. I don’t think I know anyone who isn’t aware of global warming and the part fossil fuels are playing in that. For them to suggest that ‘they’ are the only people aware and that the rest of us need to need to wake up to what is happening, is a bit sanctimonious. I wonder what the protesters are actually doing in their day to day lives to help combat global warming. That’s where they could make a difference, explaining to people how your everyday actions can make a difference and the best ways to go about that. Educating people how to limit use of products and resources that are major contributors to global warming, instead they choose just to seek personal attention. Whilst this gets people talking about ‘them’ it doesn’t actually progress the ‘cause’. Anyway, coffee break over.
People made the same arguments about the suffragettes. Society tries to keep everything as it was before. And no one approves of the revolutionaries until after society has been forced to change.
That’s why suffragettes were shitstains too as you so eloquently put it.
Ok, if you believe that or can get it from my posts, you do you.
So you condone murder then?
I mean that's some creative reading. Maybe on a planet where words don't mean things?
Maybe you’d like to explain the five people murdered and 24 injured in the suffragette arson and bombing campaign? Still a fan girl?
Yes. I am. I can support a movement without supporting every action taken by that movement.
Shall I keep that in mind when people say they're proud to be British and proud of the empire? If supporting protest and the suffragettes makes me pro murder, then being proud to be British makes people pro genocide. Complete genocide - remembering that the Holocaust was incomplete genocide
Nice deflection. You do you.
I’ll do me. I’ll continue to not support Terrorrists and murderers.
No, I'm just applying your logic.
But if in your world, giving a shit about the future means supporting terrorists and murderers, fine, I guess words don't mean things.
"The patriots locked up everyone who disagreed with them because freedom, and the bold noble holibobs were a fabulous sacrifice for current civilisations. Only terrorists and murderers cared about their descendants being able to survive""You really are delusional. | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism. IRA style? Or Nelson Mandela style?" History tells us which is which, and people conflate them to keep up the status quo *shrug* | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism. IRA style? Or Nelson Mandela style?" Try the Oxford dictionary. | |||
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"TERRRORISTS!!! MURDERERS!!! SUFFRAGGETTESS!! JAPP STAAM!!! I win"
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"TERRRORISTS!!! MURDERERS!!! SUFFRAGGETTESS!! JAPP STAAM!!! I win
I'm sure future generations will be grateful that the holibobs continued and shareholders made a lot of money. Who needs to eat?"Well done both. You have managed to articulated you points well. I bid you both a good evening. | |||
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"Hahahaha you literally tried to manipulate what someone else said to "so you agree with murderers and terrorists" It's that level of black and white rhetoric that enables morons to come to power and make stupid decisions on our behalf through fear mongering and silly premises. I have spent the whole discussion asking a simple question.... if we disagree with them throwing something as a painting whats a better way to get peoples attention.. You started with your silly extreme games of reductio ad absurdum and then call people out when they do the same back " I chose to not idolise terrorists and murderers. My bad. | |||
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"You choose to make extreme claims to protect yourself from original thought " I’ll stick with the not idolising terrorists, you stick to being you. | |||
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" Look up the definition of terrorism. IRA style? Or Nelson Mandela style? Try the Oxford dictionary." The literal definition. Gotcha. | |||
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"There's an undeniable climate crisis, world leaders seem slow to act. The only way change ever happens is by protest. I don't agree with everything they do, I think they're misguided in certain actions they take but they've got people talking. The so called climate crisis is unstoppable & been coming for millions of years, the polar cap will continue to melt as it has been since the start of the ice age but faster like an ice cube does as it reduces. Live your life & enjoy it, the world will end but not yet & no action any of us take will change that. The situation is Government use it as an excuse to tax, business create green industry & idiots protest about something that can't be stopped but like a class war to stop private jets & 4x4 motors." This kind of willful ignorance is what we're dealing with. The government on the other hand know full well what impact decades of inaction has. | |||
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"Having given careful consideration to the intelligent debate on this thread I'm off to burn a few old tyres for Halloween. " | |||
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"The blue haired warriors will get bored eventually dont worry. And in the meantime just throw them in jail until they do" Agreed and whilst I’m usually sceptical about locking people up unnecessarily I really do think jail will turn out to be an effective deterrent in their case. | |||
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"The blue haired warriors will get bored eventually dont worry. And in the meantime just throw them in jail until they do Agreed and whilst I’m usually sceptical about locking people up unnecessarily I really do think jail will turn out to be an effective deterrent in their case. " Of course it. Its the only logical course of action. Theyll soon learn that breaking the law has consequences | |||
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"Silly fuckers. Gluing themselves to the wall by a painting, shouting about how people were struggling to afford soup...after they'd just thrown two tins of it at the painting. I'm all for sensible, peaceful protest, in fact I believe it is a sovereign human right to be able to protest...but these people are just idiots going about it in totally the wrong way. If they want to stop oil, go protest outside shells UK headquarters. " its getting attention though isn't it..... No such thing as a bad advert  | |||
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"I have just read online today that they have called off their M25 protest. They need to realise that all they are doing is alienating them selves from the public, they will never gather more support for their cause, just gain more hate for their group " In fairness "their cause" is humanities cause. So they shouldn't need to be worried about gaining public support. They need the government to take action. | |||
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"I have just read online today that they have called off their M25 protest. They need to realise that all they are doing is alienating them selves from the public, they will never gather more support for their cause, just gain more hate for their group " Probably down to the fact that’s due to an injunction, they go straight to prison. A taste of reality seems to have done the trick. They will however start doing it elsewhere where there is no injunction and will continue to act like entitled pricks. | |||
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"Is there a climate crisis. Yes! Are humans responsible for at least some of it. Yes! Is nature responsible for at least some of it? Yes! " Yes Yes No - the planets natural cycles happen over 20,000 to 40,000 years and don't cause "crisis". | |||
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"Is there a climate crisis. Yes! Are humans responsible for at least some of it. Yes! Is nature responsible for at least some of it? Yes! Yes Yes No - the planets natural cycles happen over 20,000 to 40,000 years and don't cause "crisis". " It’s a shame you ignored the part where i said that any natural effect won’t be stopping itself anytime soon and that humans need to change course. Purely denying that natures has any effect on the current situation just plays into the hands of the nay sayers and conspiracy theorists. No offence but disagreeing with people who on the whole agree with your point of view just comes across a nit picking. | |||
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"Is there a climate crisis. Yes! Are humans responsible for at least some of it. Yes! Is nature responsible for at least some of it? Yes! Is the crisis going to impact life on earth? It already is! Can nature change its course? Probably not. Can humans change their course? Yes! Do we all want to? Clearly not! Should there be protests? Yes! Does quiet protesting work? Now that’s the crux of the debate. There are examples on both sides. Emily Pankhurst. Martin Luther King. But the real crux is at the moment there’s no viable alternative. There are the embryo’s of alternatives such as electric cars, but we are a long way off on that front. And cars are not the only issue, not even the biggest. Gas boilers being replaced by electric boilers when the electric is made by gas fired power stations is just totally ridiculous and a waste of money. My personal suggestions….. Every new home should be energy self sufficient. A small wind turbine and solar panels. Existing homes should be moved to energy self sufficiency with government grants. Do both of those things and we won’t need to spend billions on upgrading the national grid. More ideas…. Cap thermostats so they can’t go past a certain point. The idea that you need to warm your home to 25 degrees and walk around nearly naked in winter is just a joke. Same for public buildings. I work in a school. I have to open the windows because it too warm. The kids are removing blazers and pullovers because they are too warm. Turn the bloody dial down! And some things should just be banned! Electronic billboards and patio heaters. Building that leave lights on 24/7 where it’s not a safely issue should receive heavy fines. Turn off half the street lights between 1am and 4am. Turn off motorway lights except at junctions. Same for major dual carriageways. I could go on but…. As for the protests. Are they working? Has people gluing themselves to the roads made any difference other that people debating if they are right or wrong to do it? " I think there suggestions are absolutely spot on. We will only make progress if there are viable alternatives and those alternatives need to be _actionable_ else they are not viable. | |||
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"Is there a climate crisis. Yes! Are humans responsible for at least some of it. Yes! Is nature responsible for at least some of it? Yes! Yes Yes No - the planets natural cycles happen over 20,000 to 40,000 years and don't cause "crisis". It’s a shame you ignored the part where i said that any natural effect won’t be stopping itself anytime soon and that humans need to change course. Purely denying that natures has any effect on the current situation just plays into the hands of the nay sayers and conspiracy theorists. No offence but disagreeing with people who on the whole agree with your point of view just comes across a nit picking. " Fair comment. | |||
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"How many items in these protesters lives, homes, vehicles or anything they own or aspire to own either now or in the future are actually possible without any input whatsoever from some form of fossil fuel ? Anybody ?" I dunno. What's your point? We've already been fucking the place up, so we may as well continue? | |||
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"Why are they all poshos ?" The latest one is called Indigo Rumblelow and she takes long haul holidays to Latin America ! They are literally laughing at working class people trying to go about their day. | |||
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"Why are they all poshos ? The latest one is called Indigo Rumblelow and she takes long haul holidays to Latin America ! They are literally laughing at working class people trying to go about their day." That's a great name. Doesn't have quite the same ring as Swampy though. | |||
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"Is there a climate crisis. Yes! Are humans responsible for at least some of it. Yes! Is nature responsible for at least some of it? Yes! Yes Yes No - the planets natural cycles happen over 20,000 to 40,000 years and don't cause "crisis". It’s a shame you ignored the part where i said that any natural effect won’t be stopping itself anytime soon and that humans need to change course. Purely denying that natures has any effect on the current situation just plays into the hands of the nay sayers and conspiracy theorists. No offence but disagreeing with people who on the whole agree with your point of view just comes across a nit picking. " People disagreeing with the prevailing narrative and suggesting that certain people may have ulterior motives doesnt automatically mean a 'conspiracy theory'. | |||
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"Is there a climate crisis. Yes! Are humans responsible for at least some of it. Yes! Is nature responsible for at least some of it? Yes! Yes Yes No - the planets natural cycles happen over 20,000 to 40,000 years and don't cause "crisis". It’s a shame you ignored the part where i said that any natural effect won’t be stopping itself anytime soon and that humans need to change course. Purely denying that natures has any effect on the current situation just plays into the hands of the nay sayers and conspiracy theorists. No offence but disagreeing with people who on the whole agree with your point of view just comes across a nit picking. People disagreeing with the prevailing narrative and suggesting that certain people may have ulterior motives doesnt automatically mean a 'conspiracy theory'. " I’m not sure what your point is | |||
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"Is there a climate crisis. Yes! Are humans responsible for at least some of it. Yes! Is nature responsible for at least some of it? Yes! Yes Yes No - the planets natural cycles happen over 20,000 to 40,000 years and don't cause "crisis". It’s a shame you ignored the part where i said that any natural effect won’t be stopping itself anytime soon and that humans need to change course. Purely denying that natures has any effect on the current situation just plays into the hands of the nay sayers and conspiracy theorists. No offence but disagreeing with people who on the whole agree with your point of view just comes across a nit picking. People disagreeing with the prevailing narrative and suggesting that certain people may have ulterior motives doesnt automatically mean a 'conspiracy theory'. I’m not sure what your point is " Thats my point. Not everyone who posits alternative opinions is a 'conspiracy theorist'. This is the go to insult these days used to dismiss anyone with a contrasting opinion and its wrong and ignorant to do so | |||
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"Is there a climate crisis. Yes! Are humans responsible for at least some of it. Yes! Is nature responsible for at least some of it? Yes! Yes Yes No - the planets natural cycles happen over 20,000 to 40,000 years and don't cause "crisis". It’s a shame you ignored the part where i said that any natural effect won’t be stopping itself anytime soon and that humans need to change course. Purely denying that natures has any effect on the current situation just plays into the hands of the nay sayers and conspiracy theorists. No offence but disagreeing with people who on the whole agree with your point of view just comes across a nit picking. People disagreeing with the prevailing narrative and suggesting that certain people may have ulterior motives doesnt automatically mean a 'conspiracy theory'. I’m not sure what your point is Thats my point. Not everyone who posits alternative opinions is a 'conspiracy theorist'. This is the go to insult these days used to dismiss anyone with a contrasting opinion and its wrong and ignorant to do so " 1. I didn’t say what you seem to be saying I said. Please copy and paste. 2. I agree. Not everyone who posts, or even has, alternative views to the current popular vocalised opinions and views is a conspiracy theorist. 3. Are you saying conspiracy theorists don’t exist? Or is that just a theory? 4. I don’t think calling someone a conspiracy theorist is necessarily an insult. There are some theories that hold a lot more water than others. Flat earth and planets that can’t be seen by any telescope but are going to crash into the earth in August 2017 certainly display a lack of ability to face facts and logical reason. Compare that to the notion that leftie liberal green party activists having 3 overseas holidays abroad and turning up to protests in their 5l range rovers are a bunch of hypocrites with an alternative agenda is not the same thing. | |||
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