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Hitler and Rolf Harris

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Channel 4 are launching a show which will discuss the paintings or artists like Rolf Harris and Hitler.

The studio audience will decide if the art can be separated from the artist.

If the audience believe that the art should be destroyed then Jimmy Carr will destroy it with a blowtorch.

This is all over the news guys. Can we separate the art from the artist ?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

I've seen some of Hitlers water colours and they were crap. The Chapmam Brothers brought several and painted rainbows on them, I think they called it 'If Hitler had been a Hippy'. But the original pieces were pretty embarrassingly bad

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Damien Hirst destroys his own. Probably looks better than it dud before..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Channel 4 are launching a show which will discuss the paintings or artists like Rolf Harris and Hitler.

The studio audience will decide if the art can be separated from the artist.

If the audience believe that the art should be destroyed then Jimmy Carr will destroy it with a blowtorch.

This is all over the news guys. Can we separate the art from the artist ?"

Talk about having to scrape the barrel, channel 4 are through to the wood

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham


"I've seen some of Hitlers water colours and they were crap. The Chapmam Brothers brought several and painted rainbows on them, I think they called it 'If Hitler had been a Hippy'. But the original pieces were pretty embarrassingly bad"

Probably better than most could do. Stalin did a mean borscht but nobody says it was shite cos he killed millions..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Every time someone dances to Billy Jean at a wedding or nightclub they’ve done just that.

So we clearly don’t need a tv programme to work it out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Damien Hirst destroys his own. Probably looks better than it dud before.. "

Was this his NFTs? They looked like wrapper paper from Paperchase.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Can we separate the art from the artist ?"

Depends entirely on the artist and what they've done in their life.

Those two? Nope. Likewise I'll never have the urge to watch re-runs of Jim'll Fix it, or listen to a Lost Prophets CD.

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By *eard and TattsCouple
over a year ago

Cwmbran

Hitler

Wait, what was the question?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"I've seen some of Hitlers water colours and they were crap. The Chapmam Brothers brought several and painted rainbows on them, I think they called it 'If Hitler had been a Hippy'. But the original pieces were pretty embarrassingly bad

Probably better than most could do. Stalin did a mean borscht but nobody says it was shite cos he killed millions.. "

I mean having seem them in a gallery, I think I can give an opinion. I have no idea whether they were typical of his quality if work but these examples were awful snd i think i have seen enough art to offer an opinion...

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester


"Channel 4 are launching a show which will discuss the paintings or artists like Rolf Harris and Hitler.

The studio audience will decide if the art can be separated from the artist.

If the audience believe that the art should be destroyed then Jimmy Carr will destroy it with a blowtorch.

This is all over the news guys. Can we separate the art from the artist ?"
lol we should be able to but this is all about Jimmy Carr setting light to it

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't like the idea of a television audience deciding what to do with art. I like the idea of Jimmy Carr wielding the blow torch even less.

It's not up to channel four to do this kind of stuff in my opinion

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

It's all subjective.

Can I separate the art from the artist. 99% of the time yes.

Can sudden revelations about an artist sour my enjoyment of their art by association, yes.

I certainly won't buy their art though, I won't fund them or anything they did once I know.

I don't think it should be destroyed either. What's the point, it won't change anything. If things were not known about them then their art would still exist and we would be none the wiser, but destroying it won't change what happened.

Imagine if Van Gogh was suddenly revealed to be as vile as Hilter or Rolf Harris. I wonder how many would (I know some would) be up for torching his almost priceless works of art.

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By *entBarryUKMan
over a year ago

Ashford

Rolf Harris' work was good, but i don't believe the art should suffer for the sins of the artist. His art does not depict anything abusive or sinister so why should it be burned? I hate waste and destroying art. ISIS showed the world how destroying art is horrific. We don't need to stoop to their level

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

In a bizarre twist of fate might we have ended up with 'Adolf's Cartoon Club'?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"I don't like the idea of a television audience deciding what to do with art. I like the idea of Jimmy Carr wielding the blow torch even less.

It's not up to channel four to do this kind of stuff in my opinion "

Nor me, it's a bit too close to burning books it doesn't sit comfortably with me at all.

The debate is valid, but destroying art in the name of entertainment is wrong

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"In a bizarre twist of fate might we have ended up with 'Adolf's Cartoon Club'?"

Can you tell what it is yet?

Yes, a panzer, it's always a panzer!

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By *ustintime69Man
over a year ago

Bristol


"In a bizarre twist of fate might we have ended up with 'Adolf's Cartoon Club'?

Can you tell what it is yet?

Yes, a panzer, it's always a panzer!"

Now that made me giggle

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"I don't like the idea of a television audience deciding what to do with art. I like the idea of Jimmy Carr wielding the blow torch even less.

It's not up to channel four to do this kind of stuff in my opinion "

Isn’t it kinda the same thing with musicians… for example we don’t listen to Gary glitter.. but we do listen Michael Jackson….

The Welsh bloke from the lost prophets… no… r.Kelly… hmmm

What do we now do with Kanye???

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By *ull English with teaMan
over a year ago

London


"I don't like the idea of a television audience deciding what to do with art. I like the idea of Jimmy Carr wielding the blow torch even less.

It's not up to channel four to do this kind of stuff in my opinion

Isn’t it kinda the same thing with musicians… for example we don’t listen to Gary glitter.. but we do listen Michael Jackson….

The Welsh bloke from the lost prophets… no… r.Kelly… hmmm

What do we now do with Kanye??? "

Ignore him and hope he’ll go away!

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"I don't like the idea of a television audience deciding what to do with art. I like the idea of Jimmy Carr wielding the blow torch even less.

It's not up to channel four to do this kind of stuff in my opinion

Isn’t it kinda the same thing with musicians… for example we don’t listen to Gary glitter.. but we do listen Michael Jackson….

The Welsh bloke from the lost prophets… no… r.Kelly… hmmm

What do we now do with Kanye??? "

I've not looked at all the details of the show. I'd guess it's not the originals... But let's assume it is.

Music is a choice to listen/not listen. Which comes down to viewing/appreciating a painting is a choice.

In the case of music, destroying the original means very little in the digital era, where as destroying the original painting is much more impactful in its statement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Destroying it with a blowtorch just creates more art. Unless the content of the pictures is buggering boys whilst killing millions, I reckon we can probably separate a portrait of the queen or a landscape from the knobs who made them. 100% of everything we do is not defined by our single worst attribute or action, no matter how bad that is. If all you were defined by the worst thing you did, you'd all be the absolute pits and cancelled in an instant, as would I.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Having Jimmy Carr present this you know its not going to be serious.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham


"Having Jimmy Carr present this you know its not going to be serious.

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A bit like his tax returns!

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I don't like the idea of a television audience deciding what to do with art. I like the idea of Jimmy Carr wielding the blow torch even less.

It's not up to channel four to do this kind of stuff in my opinion

Isn’t it kinda the same thing with musicians… for example we don’t listen to Gary glitter.. but we do listen Michael Jackson….

The Welsh bloke from the lost prophets… no… r.Kelly… hmmm

What do we now do with Kanye??? "

Good point. Has their work been destroyed or just not listened to?

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By *rettygoodMan
over a year ago

Whitwick


"I've seen some of Hitlers water colours and they were crap. The Chapmam Brothers brought several and painted rainbows on them, I think they called it 'If Hitler had been a Hippy'. But the original pieces were pretty embarrassingly bad

Probably better than most could do. Stalin did a mean borscht but nobody says it was shite cos he killed millions.. "

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By *rettygoodMan
over a year ago

Whitwick

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I don't like the idea of a television audience deciding what to do with art. I like the idea of Jimmy Carr wielding the blow torch even less.

It's not up to channel four to do this kind of stuff in my opinion

Isn’t it kinda the same thing with musicians… for example we don’t listen to Gary glitter.. but we do listen Michael Jackson….

The Welsh bloke from the lost prophets… no… r.Kelly… hmmm

What do we now do with Kanye???

Good point. Has their work been destroyed or just not listened to?

You realise he oversaw the genocide of 6 million Jews, homosexuals and travelers?

It's not like "he did antisemitism on twitter" it's genocide."

Yes I do realise that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To answer the question, I do not personally enjoy the art of terrible people. Like, who listens to R Kelly or Kanye west anymore?

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By *host63Man
over a year ago

Bedfont Feltham

ChNnel four was such a good channel when it started with some really good alternative programs.

What it's turned in to is an intellectual wasteland . Are the people of this country really that brain dead they find shows like this and married at first sight and naked attraction good entertainment?

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"To answer the question, I do not personally enjoy the art of terrible people. Like, who listens to R Kelly or Kanye west anymore? "

It’s a conundrum…terrible people but banging tunes…

What do you do with for example… listen to the Jackson five… but don’t listen to him from bad onwards

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

In the case of Rolf.. if he was a good painter before his conviction then is be now a bad painter.. please explain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We own one of his limited prints. Haven't had the heart to get rid of it but it does unfortunately remind you of him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Slightly off topic but Rolf was the one that I really didn’t want to believe when first arrested .. of all of the Yewtree lot he was the big “Noooo, not Rolf!”

He visited my school as a kiddie and did a HUGE great mural that was hung up in the main hallway for years afterwards. I’m guessing that’s long since been removed! I wonder where it is now?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"We own one of his limited prints. Haven't had the heart to get rid of it but it does unfortunately remind you of him."

Has its value increased or decreased ?

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

What a shit idea for a TV show. Did Alan partridge pitch it.

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By *orthcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle

I think they should just set the blowtorch on Jimmy Carr, in the name of art of course........

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"I think they should just set the blowtorch on Jimmy Carr, in the name of art of course........ "

Now that I'd watch.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Channel 4 are launching a show which will discuss the paintings or artists like Rolf Harris and Hitler.

The studio audience will decide if the art can be separated from the artist.

If the audience believe that the art should be destroyed then Jimmy Carr will destroy it with a blowtorch.

This is all over the news guys. Can we separate the art from the artist ?"

Well neither Rolf or Adolf were great artists which helps. But a huge amount of the great art and science which enriches and eases our lives has been created by bad people. If a plumber puts in great central heating do you rip it out if you hear he's a wrong un ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Every time someone dances to Billy Jean at a wedding or nightclub they’ve done just that.

So we clearly don’t need a tv programme to work it out. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We own one of his limited prints. Haven't had the heart to get rid of it but it does unfortunately remind you of him.

Has its value increased or decreased ?"

Pretty sure it's decreased. I'm not sure if there's even a market?

We're moving next year so guess we'll get rid of it then one way or the other.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Channel 4 are launching a show which will discuss the paintings or artists like Rolf Harris and Hitler.

The studio audience will decide if the art can be separated from the artist.

If the audience believe that the art should be destroyed then Jimmy Carr will destroy it with a blowtorch.

This is all over the news guys. Can we separate the art from the artist ?

Well neither Rolf or Adolf were great artists which helps. But a huge amount of the great art and science which enriches and eases our lives has been created by bad people. If a plumber puts in great central heating do you rip it out if you hear he's a wrong un ?"

And this is the point ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

R-olf.

Ad-olf.

Who's next?

Wolf from Gladiators probably.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Tom thinks..

The question is.. is the art diminished because the artist is later found to be a wrongun..

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"R-olf.

Ad-olf.

Who's next?

Wolf from Gladiators probably."

He was a bad egg to be fair

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By *ickeyblueeyes7Man
over a year ago

newport

Can you tell what it is yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What a shit idea for a TV show. Did Alan partridge pitch it. "

Monkey tennis!

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Anyone know Rolf's views on the Danzig Corridor?

Or Adolf's ability on the wobble board?

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

Who buys this art and why? Where or who does the money go to? If it's any of the artists ancestors then burn the painting as far as I'm concerned. Vile people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Who buys this art and why? "

Us.

We liked it.

Thought we liked Rolf too, but then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Now I must get crucified for what I am about to say but Gary Glitter... absolute knob but I still the I'm the leader is a brilliant song (or whatever it's name). I can absolutely listen to it without getting my knickers in a twist.

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth


"Now I must get crucified for what I am about to say but Gary Glitter... absolute knob but I still the I'm the leader is a brilliant song (or whatever it's name). I can absolutely listen to it without getting my knickers in a twist. "

I'm the leader of the gang is the song. Only listen to that if it was on in a pub and had no choice. Used to have it as a single but I got rid of all my singles before he was exposed as an abuser antway

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"Who buys this art and why? Where or who does the money go to? If it's any of the artists ancestors then burn the painting as far as I'm concerned. Vile people "

I think you mean descendants. Why are they vile people? Do they share their views, or praise their doings? Not their fault they were born in to such a family tree.

I agree with not supporting these particular artists financially, but to make them out to be bad based upon nothing but a family tree is unfair. Unless they of course are in support of the monster in their family.

Hell if what an ancestor of our own did impacted our own current reputations and judgement of character towards us I don't think many people could ever be considered anything but vile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Now I must get crucified for what I am about to say but Gary Glitter... absolute knob but I still the I'm the leader is a brilliant song (or whatever it's name). I can absolutely listen to it without getting my knickers in a twist.

I'm the leader of the gang is the song. Only listen to that if it was on in a pub and had no choice. Used to have it as a single but I got rid of all my singles before he was exposed as an abuser antway"

It's not on my playlist or anything, I was just saying I can still listen to it and not connect the two.

With paintings, tbf any of the artist of other famous work could have done anything, some of the best loved pieces, like van Goghs sunflowers, love that painting but if it came out he was a wrongun, wouldn't take anything away from the piece, it's still a beautiful drawing.

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