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"I can't work out how to get one of those lamp post charging points and how you pay for using it. " Just plug in and pay with your card - they are dead cheap! 11p per kw?? | |||
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"I can't work out how to get one of those lamp post charging points and how you pay for using it. Just plug in and pay with your card - they are dead cheap! 11p per kw?? " I want to get one put in the lamp post outside my house. I can go fully electric then. I'm currently hybrid. | |||
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"I can't work out how to get one of those lamp post charging points and how you pay for using it. Just plug in and pay with your card - they are dead cheap! 11p per kw?? I want to get one put in the lamp post outside my house. I can go fully electric then. I'm currently hybrid. " Ahhhh I see! Hmm i don't know | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week "What is this thing called it? describe it. | |||
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"I can't work out how to get one of those lamp post charging points and how you pay for using it. Just plug in and pay with your card - they are dead cheap! 11p per kw?? " and how far can you travel on a kw. what's the mpg equivalent , not just a full tank? If you have a car that's, say pulling a caravan and is a two litre diesel, what is the direct electric equivalent? What will be the 2.0 d indicator, will it be on a badge and how will websites allow you to filter those searches? Also what is your emergency equivalent of a full jerry can of fuel, if your chosen point is not useable, busy, vandalised, broken or simply no longer there? | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
What is this thing called it? describe it."That’s sounds more expensive than a diesel car.. | |||
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"I can't work out how to get one of those lamp post charging points and how you pay for using it. Just plug in and pay with your card - they are dead cheap! 11p per kw?? I want to get one put in the lamp post outside my house. I can go fully electric then. I'm currently hybrid. " They have to be 11kw and 3ph to be of any benefit, also if its a council owned lamp post they will charge too, but you're looking at in excess of £1500 for the unit plus install costs | |||
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"Exactly how can we power electric vehicles during a power cut?" You won't. As per usual The IET amended the ruling that car chargers had to be smart enabled complete with built in CT's in April this year, which was exactly a month after the government grant finished....so approximately 5% of the nations chargers can be controlled by the national grid which means you have 95% sucking up anything between 7.5kw to 22kw per car (which is too much for the grid to handle during the heating months) | |||
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"Exactly how can we power electric vehicles during a power cut? You won't. As per usual The IET amended the ruling that car chargers had to be smart enabled complete with built in CT's in April this year, which was exactly a month after the government grant finished....so approximately 5% of the nations chargers can be controlled by the national grid which means you have 95% sucking up anything between 7.5kw to 22kw per car (which is too much for the grid to handle during the heating months)" The National grid must be really looking forward to this end of the fossil fuel era for new vehicles. How exactly are they going to magic up more powerlines and new power sources. Hurry up and find the answer to nuclear waste or get fusion up and running. | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
What is this thing called it? describe it.
That’s sounds more expensive than a diesel car..
It's cheaper to charge at home... I guess its like buying fuel at a service station.. You don't do it very often "what tells you it's cheaper, a sign, sticker or lcd cren on the CP or your dashboard? | |||
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"Exactly how can we power electric vehicles during a power cut? You won't. As per usual The IET amended the ruling that car chargers had to be smart enabled complete with built in CT's in April this year, which was exactly a month after the government grant finished....so approximately 5% of the nations chargers can be controlled by the national grid which means you have 95% sucking up anything between 7.5kw to 22kw per car (which is too much for the grid to handle during the heating months) The National grid must be really looking forward to this end of the fossil fuel era for new vehicles. How exactly are they going to magic up more powerlines and new power sources. Hurry up and find the answer to nuclear waste or get fusion up and running. " Was that last statement aimed directly at me? As it happens, there is a possibility | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week "Our diesel would cost about £35 for 150 miles | |||
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"Exactly how can we power electric vehicles during a power cut? You won't. As per usual The IET amended the ruling that car chargers had to be smart enabled complete with built in CT's in April this year, which was exactly a month after the government grant finished....so approximately 5% of the nations chargers can be controlled by the national grid which means you have 95% sucking up anything between 7.5kw to 22kw per car (which is too much for the grid to handle during the heating months) The National grid must be really looking forward to this end of the fossil fuel era for new vehicles. How exactly are they going to magic up more powerlines and new power sources. Hurry up and find the answer to nuclear waste or get fusion up and running. Was that last statement aimed directly at me? As it happens, there is a possibility " I don't know, if it was, as I don't know you: but if you do have a good solution, do tell. | |||
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"Exactly how can we power electric vehicles during a power cut? You won't. As per usual The IET amended the ruling that car chargers had to be smart enabled complete with built in CT's in April this year, which was exactly a month after the government grant finished....so approximately 5% of the nations chargers can be controlled by the national grid which means you have 95% sucking up anything between 7.5kw to 22kw per car (which is too much for the grid to handle during the heating months) The National grid must be really looking forward to this end of the fossil fuel era for new vehicles. How exactly are they going to magic up more powerlines and new power sources. Hurry up and find the answer to nuclear waste or get fusion up and running. Was that last statement aimed directly at me? As it happens, there is a possibility I don't know, if it was, as I don't know you: but if you do have a good solution, do tell." The EAST (Experimental Advanced Superconducting Tokamak) nuclear fusion reactor maintained a temperature of 158 million degrees Fahrenheit (70 million degrees Celsius) for 1,056 seconds, according to the Xinhua News Agency. The achievement brings scientists a small yet significant step closer to the creation of a source of near-unlimited clean energy. This was Jan 2022, and a joint project funded by China, US and UK ... the optimistic scientists of the world believe that this is potentially a huge leap forward and could be in play in 6 years | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
Our diesel would cost about £35 for 150 miles"Mine would cost £18. | |||
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"Do EV drivers know how much it will cost them to fill up before they pull into the charging point? Prices for petrol/diesel and LPG are displayed in massive signs, whereas electric costs aren't, why is this? Or do you think that empty battery anxiety forces you to go straight to the nearest one every time. Is it possible to have an electric car and not own a smart phone? " lol hey panic fill that's what I'd do can't you hook your home up to charge?  | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
What is this thing called it? describe it.
That’s sounds more expensive than a diesel car..
It's cheaper to charge at home... I guess its like buying fuel at a service station.. You don't do it very often
what tells you it's cheaper, a sign, sticker or lcd cren on the CP or your dashboard?"Eery eyes and your brain | |||
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"I looked at getting electric.. but wasn't allowed a port at home.. there are none within a mile of my home. And I worked out with rising costs it was going to cost me more for a car that was going to be totally impractical for me. Wanted a hybrid but there was nothing on motability that was realistically any good or within my deposit price range " You can use a granny cable if you have a drive and powerpoint close enough.. Its slow though | |||
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"I can't work out how to get one of those lamp post charging points and how you pay for using it. Just plug in and pay with your card - they are dead cheap! 11p per kw?? and how far can you travel on a kw. what's the mpg equivalent , not just a full tank? If you have a car that's, say pulling a caravan and is a two litre diesel, what is the direct electric equivalent? What will be the 2.0 d indicator, will it be on a badge and how will websites allow you to filter those searches? Also what is your emergency equivalent of a full jerry can of fuel, if your chosen point is not useable, busy, vandalised, broken or simply no longer there?" None of those things will happen in evland. | |||
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"Do EV drivers know how much it will cost them to fill up before they pull into the charging point? Prices for petrol/diesel and LPG are displayed in massive signs, whereas electric costs aren't, why is this? Or do you think that empty battery anxiety forces you to go straight to the nearest one every time. Is it possible to have an electric car and not own a smart phone? " You can view speeds of energy download and costs for each point on an app/map. There are even ratings out of 5.Most apps tell you if the points are working /broken/in use (and how long they are expected to be occupied - ie, 30 mins until full charge) Some are contactless, some you need an account .. Some you need to call in person on the help line. There isn't really a standard yet.. You don't need a smart phone, as you can call the help line, but it will take longer. Some (ie London lampposts) need an actual card, rather than a Google wallet | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
Our diesel would cost about £35 for 150 miles
Mine would cost £18."Yours must be new! Ours is old and heavy. | |||
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"I looked at getting electric.. but wasn't allowed a port at home.. there are none within a mile of my home. And I worked out with rising costs it was going to cost me more for a car that was going to be totally impractical for me. Wanted a hybrid but there was nothing on motability that was realistically any good or within my deposit price range You can use a granny cable if you have a drive and powerpoint close enough.. Its slow though " I can't have one as I'm on a pre pay meter.. it would cost me the earth. Plus the range just isn't good enough yet | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week "for £20 i can get 200 miles out of my Hot Hatch...... | |||
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"I looked at getting electric.. but wasn't allowed a port at home.. there are none within a mile of my home. And I worked out with rising costs it was going to cost me more for a car that was going to be totally impractical for me. Wanted a hybrid but there was nothing on motability that was realistically any good or within my deposit price range You can use a granny cable if you have a drive and powerpoint close enough.. Its slow though I can't have one as I'm on a pre pay meter.. it would cost me the earth. Plus the range just isn't good enough yet " Why hasn't this been picked up in the media? There is too much assuming going on, as we all don't have a driveway next to our homes, trailing cables across the street and public pavements might be illegal and dangerous as well as open to damge and abuse. | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
What is this thing called it? describe it.
That’s sounds more expensive than a diesel car..
It's cheaper to charge at home... I guess its like buying fuel at a service station.. You don't do it very often
what tells you it's cheaper, a sign, sticker or lcd cren on the CP or your dashboard?
Eery eyes and your brain "That didn't answer the question. | |||
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"I looked at getting electric.. but wasn't allowed a port at home.. there are none within a mile of my home. And I worked out with rising costs it was going to cost me more for a car that was going to be totally impractical for me. Wanted a hybrid but there was nothing on motability that was realistically any good or within my deposit price range You can use a granny cable if you have a drive and powerpoint close enough.. Its slow though I can't have one as I'm on a pre pay meter.. it would cost me the earth. Plus the range just isn't good enough yet Why hasn't this been picked up in the media? There is too much assuming going on, as we all don't have a driveway next to our homes, trailing cables across the street and public pavements might be illegal and dangerous as well as open to damge and abuse." It is being worked upon, bollards at the edge of the pavement that you plug into, although how long it will take is anybodies guess...... | |||
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"I looked at getting electric.. but wasn't allowed a port at home.. there are none within a mile of my home. And I worked out with rising costs it was going to cost me more for a car that was going to be totally impractical for me. Wanted a hybrid but there was nothing on motability that was realistically any good or within my deposit price range You can use a granny cable if you have a drive and powerpoint close enough.. Its slow though I can't have one as I'm on a pre pay meter.. it would cost me the earth. Plus the range just isn't good enough yet Why hasn't this been picked up in the media? There is too much assuming going on, as we all don't have a driveway next to our homes, trailing cables across the street and public pavements might be illegal and dangerous as well as open to damge and abuse." yeah you would think with a lot of people being on pre pay meters and unable to charge cars at home would be a point that needs addressing | |||
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"Wanted a hybrid but there was nothing on motability that was realistically any good or within my deposit price range " Were Kia hybrids not available? | |||
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"Exactly how can we power electric vehicles during a power cut?" I guess the same as using a petrol station. You can’t. If we have a power cut the petrol stations will also lose power and the pumps that pump your fuel won’t work | |||
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"Wanted a hybrid but there was nothing on motability that was realistically any good or within my deposit price range Were Kia hybrids not available? " Not in the size of car or deposit range I needed. | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
What is this thing called it? describe it.
That’s sounds more expensive than a diesel car..
It's cheaper to charge at home... I guess its like buying fuel at a service station.. You don't do it very often
what tells you it's cheaper, a sign, sticker or lcd cren on the CP or your dashboard?
Eery eyes and your brain
That didn't answer the question."It's cheaper to charge at home because a lot of the energy companies will give you a discounted electricity rate if you are lucky enough to be able to install your own charging point for the car on your driveway. | |||
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"Has no one predicted the disaster coming from all electric emergency vehicles getting trapped in the sticks after the-worst-winter-storms-ever-recorded? Roads blocked, powerl ines down and the services stretched to breaking point. This sounds like a really cheesy film on Channel 5 or such like and the mail/express headline fodder. We really need the authorities to start to address this now, with the forward planning of 30 or so years. That's what planners are paid to do. See problems and needs, then provide the answers, by reading the earlier mistakes of others. 999 and 0% battery life don't mix (you can't jump start an ambulance with defib paddles!)" Nice to see that you come from this from a angle of objectivity…. On your first point actually an Ev uses less power idling than an ICE … so therefore actually you could survive in this mythical storm in an electric vehicle a lot longer than a petrol/diesel car at the same point! For me.. I already own a hybrid… love it to bits, I would be ready to go fully electric if I could find something in an affordable price range… that is the key now 1st big manufacturer who can get let’s say , 300 miles charge in a 20-25000 car will be ahead of the race… I was on the original model 3 waiting list… currency changes took it out of my range, and a model y which is a much bigger more sensible car is only 5k more expensive I am now potentially looking at something like the Hyundai iqonic 6. which looks gorgeous | |||
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"I really want an electric car, but right now what is putting me off is the price & range. I don’t want to buy a Tesla, but the ones that I want to have a range of 300 miles (real world) when I need considerably more (in the 4/500 mile) "If you can't afford one like many people cant, they are out of reach right now. However if it range anxiety issues, you can have an electric car by simply changing the way you use it. If you are travelling beyond the range, add a recharge stop to the journey, you would probably need a break. | |||
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"I really want an electric car, but right now what is putting me off is the price & range. I don’t want to buy a Tesla, but the ones that I want to have a range of 300 miles (real world) when I need considerably more (in the 4/500 mile)
If you can't afford one like many people cant, they are out of reach right now. However if it range anxiety issues, you can have an electric car by simply changing the way you use it. If you are travelling beyond the range, add a recharge stop to the journey, you would probably need a break."I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. | |||
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"I really want an electric car, but right now what is putting me off is the price & range. I don’t want to buy a Tesla, but the ones that I want to have a range of 300 miles (real world) when I need considerably more (in the 4/500 mile)
If you can't afford one like many people cant, they are out of reach right now. However if it range anxiety issues, you can have an electric car by simply changing the way you use it. If you are travelling beyond the range, add a recharge stop to the journey, you would probably need a break.
I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. "Always the way, early adopters usually have the money to try things out before they are finalised | |||
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"Has no one predicted the disaster coming from all electric emergency vehicles getting trapped in the sticks after the-worst-winter-storms-ever-recorded? Roads blocked, powerl ines down and the services stretched to breaking point. This sounds like a really cheesy film on Channel 5 or such like and the mail/express headline fodder. We really need the authorities to start to address this now, with the forward planning of 30 or so years. That's what planners are paid to do. See problems and needs, then provide the answers, by reading the earlier mistakes of others. 999 and 0% battery life don't mix (you can't jump start an ambulance with defib paddles!) Nice to see that you come from this from a angle of objectivity…. On your first point actually an Ev uses less power idling than an ICE … so therefore actually you could survive in this mythical storm in an electric vehicle a lot longer than a petrol/diesel car at the same point! For me.. I already own a hybrid… love it to bits, I would be ready to go fully electric if I could find something in an affordable price range… that is the key now 1st big manufacturer who can get let’s say , 300 miles charge in a 20-25000 car will be ahead of the race… I was on the original model 3 waiting list… currency changes took it out of my range, and a model y which is a much bigger more sensible car is only 5k more expensive I am now potentially looking at something like the Hyundai iqonic 6. which looks gorgeous " 
Does icy weather affect performance? luckily I saw no snow last winter.
Has anyone taken anEV to the alps or Cairngorns in the snowy seaon and noticed the difference, if there is one? | |||
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
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That’s sounds more expensive than a diesel car.. "Thats is | |||
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"Surely the answer is to just buy a 250 mile extension lead and charge from home "that's how trains went electric 3rd rail and overhead: just used a longer flex though. | |||
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"I really want an electric car, but right now what is putting me off is the price & range. I don’t want to buy a Tesla, but the ones that I want to have a range of 300 miles (real world) when I need considerably more (in the 4/500 mile)
If you can't afford one like many people cant, they are out of reach right now. However if it range anxiety issues, you can have an electric car by simply changing the way you use it. If you are travelling beyond the range, add a recharge stop to the journey, you would probably need a break."That’s fair, but in that I have to account for less than 300 if I start using the heating/ac, radio etc. Don’t get me wrong, I “can” afford one if I really wanted to, but sensible me says “no way, not right now” | |||
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. " I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. | |||
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. " Are you rich enough to have a drive way, a non prepay meter and enough funds to buy said vehicle? No one has mentioned the cheapest 2nd vehicle prices yet. | |||
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"Has no one predicted the disaster coming from all electric emergency vehicles getting trapped in the sticks after the-worst-winter-storms-ever-recorded? Roads blocked, powerl ines down and the services stretched to breaking point. This sounds like a really cheesy film on Channel 5 or such like and the mail/express headline fodder. We really need the authorities to start to address this now, with the forward planning of 30 or so years. That's what planners are paid to do. See problems and needs, then provide the answers, by reading the earlier mistakes of others. 999 and 0% battery life don't mix (you can't jump start an ambulance with defib paddles!) Nice to see that you come from this from a angle of objectivity…. On your first point actually an Ev uses less power idling than an ICE … so therefore actually you could survive in this mythical storm in an electric vehicle a lot longer than a petrol/diesel car at the same point! For me.. I already own a hybrid… love it to bits, I would be ready to go fully electric if I could find something in an affordable price range… that is the key now 1st big manufacturer who can get let’s say , 300 miles charge in a 20-25000 car will be ahead of the race… I was on the original model 3 waiting list… currency changes took it out of my range, and a model y which is a much bigger more sensible car is only 5k more expensive I am now potentially looking at something like the Hyundai iqonic 6. which looks gorgeous
Does icy weather affect performance? luckily I saw no snow last winter.
Has anyone taken anEV to the alps or Cairngorns in the snowy seaon and noticed the difference, if there is one?"Coming back a little to what I said with a bit of explanation…. The reason you are using less power in a EV than an ICE is that there less mechanical bits to worry about… which then plays into your other two questions Does icy weather affect performance… in terms of range.. yes! But… and there is always a but… icy weather also affects the performance of your ICE as well (you get less mpg is cold weather than you do in average weather, and that before you put on heaters ect.) Ev’s in snowy areas and high altitude… 1) biggest selling cars in Norway and Sweden is…. Tesla… 2) interesting things called “snow tyres” are available… 3) at higher altitudes the ev should not see any noticeable difference, however in an ICE you may because you need air to go through an engine, the higher you go, the worse it preforms… | |||
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. " I wish I could get Motability (meant in the best possible way!) Apparently being a wheelchair user isn't enough  | |||
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. I wish I could get Motability (meant in the best possible way!) Apparently being a wheelchair user isn't enough "Haven't you been successful with your pip application or maybe it's your age, I hadn't checked your profile | |||
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. I wish I could get Motability (meant in the best possible way!) Apparently being a wheelchair user isn't enough
Haven't you been successful with your pip application or maybe it's your age, I hadn't checked your profile "Apparently I'd only qualify for low rate PIP but you need high rate to qualify for Motability. I can't use my wheelchair at home because the house isn't adapted. We can't afford to adapt it. So I have to drag myself round (including up/down stairs) on crutches. But because I can drag myself round on crutches (in agony, making myself worse etc), I'm classed as ambulant. I'm not clear what I'm supposed to do, other than sit in a chair and refuse to move. I also work FT, in my wheelchair. I wouldn't be able to work without the wheelchair. But that doesn't mean anything to PIP. | |||
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. I wish I could get Motability (meant in the best possible way!) Apparently being a wheelchair user isn't enough
Haven't you been successful with your pip application or maybe it's your age, I hadn't checked your profile
Apparently I'd only qualify for low rate PIP but you need high rate to qualify for Motability. I can't use my wheelchair at home because the house isn't adapted. We can't afford to adapt it. So I have to drag myself round (including up/down stairs) on crutches. But because I can drag myself round on crutches (in agony, making myself worse etc), I'm classed as ambulant.
I'm not clear what I'm supposed to do, other than sit in a chair and refuse to move. I also work FT, in my wheelchair. I wouldn't be able to work without the wheelchair. But that doesn't mean anything to PIP."Sorry to hear that, it's such a messed up system for some people but I bet there are plenty who manage to lie and cheat to get the payments and car | |||
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"I really want an electric car, but right now what is putting me off is the price & range. I don’t want to buy a Tesla, but the ones that I want to have a range of 300 miles (real world) when I need considerably more (in the 4/500 mile)
If you can't afford one like many people cant, they are out of reach right now. However if it range anxiety issues, you can have an electric car by simply changing the way you use it. If you are travelling beyond the range, add a recharge stop to the journey, you would probably need a break.
I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. "I think you are right.. I get free City parking too... Just because its an EV | |||
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"Has no one predicted the disaster coming from all electric emergency vehicles getting trapped in the sticks after the-worst-winter-storms-ever-recorded? Roads blocked, powerl ines down and the services stretched to breaking point. This sounds like a really cheesy film on Channel 5 or such like and the mail/express headline fodder. We really need the authorities to start to address this now, with the forward planning of 30 or so years. That's what planners are paid to do. See problems and needs, then provide the answers, by reading the earlier mistakes of others. 999 and 0% battery life don't mix (you can't jump start an ambulance with defib paddles!) Nice to see that you come from this from a angle of objectivity…. On your first point actually an Ev uses less power idling than an ICE … so therefore actually you could survive in this mythical storm in an electric vehicle a lot longer than a petrol/diesel car at the same point! For me.. I already own a hybrid… love it to bits, I would be ready to go fully electric if I could find something in an affordable price range… that is the key now 1st big manufacturer who can get let’s say , 300 miles charge in a 20-25000 car will be ahead of the race… I was on the original model 3 waiting list… currency changes took it out of my range, and a model y which is a much bigger more sensible car is only 5k more expensive I am now potentially looking at something like the Hyundai iqonic 6. which looks gorgeous
Does icy weather affect performance? luckily I saw no snow last winter.
Has anyone taken anEV to the alps or Cairngorns in the snowy seaon and noticed the difference, if there is one?"Batteries don't take/hold as much charge in colder weather (someone other than me will explain the science lol), so you naturally have less to begin with (in summer i get 360 range.. In winter i get nearer to 300 maybe less) .. Plus you need to use lights, wipers, heater etc They handle really well in snow /ice | |||
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"I really want an electric car, but right now what is putting me off is the price & range. I don’t want to buy a Tesla, but the ones that I want to have a range of 300 miles (real world) when I need considerably more (in the 4/500 mile)
If you can't afford one like many people cant, they are out of reach right now. However if it range anxiety issues, you can have an electric car by simply changing the way you use it. If you are travelling beyond the range, add a recharge stop to the journey, you would probably need a break.
That’s fair, but in that I have to account for less than 300 if I start using the heating/ac, radio etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I “can” afford one if I really wanted to, but sensible me says “no way, not right now” "Depends how heavy footed are too.. Gone are the days of 'eat my dust'.. The car has shit loads of power.. But it eats the range | |||
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"I really want an electric car, but right now what is putting me off is the price & range. I don’t want to buy a Tesla, but the ones that I want to have a range of 300 miles (real world) when I need considerably more (in the 4/500 mile)
If you can't afford one like many people cant, they are out of reach right now. However if it range anxiety issues, you can have an electric car by simply changing the way you use it. If you are travelling beyond the range, add a recharge stop to the journey, you would probably need a break.
I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants.
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"Apparently I'd only qualify for low rate PIP but you need high rate to qualify for Motability. Did you ask for a Mandatory Reconsideration? I think things have changed recently, so they are more useful (rather than being another loop to jump through on the way to appeal!). I went from no points in mobility to 12 (on the planning question). I also had some advice from a charity working with autistic people. It was invaluable to get more of an inside perspective." I've not pursued it further because I really didn't/don't have the mental fortitude to do so. Too much other stuff going on. One of my mates who is amputee had everything taken off him, PIP + car and it was absolutely ridiculous. That was recently too. | |||
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"I bet there are plenty who manage to lie and cheat to get the payments and car " If anything, it's the opposite. PIP is one of the benefits most abused *by the government.* This can be seen by the massive number of decisions that get overturned at appeal. If I was planning to cheat the system, I think I'd choose something other than PIP. Like, maybe become an MP!  | |||
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"Has no one predicted the disaster coming from all electric emergency vehicles getting trapped in the sticks after the-worst-winter-storms-ever-recorded? Roads blocked, powerl ines down and the services stretched to breaking point. This sounds like a really cheesy film on Channel 5 or such like and the mail/express headline fodder. We really need the authorities to start to address this now, with the forward planning of 30 or so years. That's what planners are paid to do. See problems and needs, then provide the answers, by reading the earlier mistakes of others. 999 and 0% battery life don't mix (you can't jump start an ambulance with defib paddles!) Nice to see that you come from this from a angle of objectivity…. On your first point actually an Ev uses less power idling than an ICE … so therefore actually you could survive in this mythical storm in an electric vehicle a lot longer than a petrol/diesel car at the same point! For me.. I already own a hybrid… love it to bits, I would be ready to go fully electric if I could find something in an affordable price range… that is the key now 1st big manufacturer who can get let’s say , 300 miles charge in a 20-25000 car will be ahead of the race… I was on the original model 3 waiting list… currency changes took it out of my range, and a model y which is a much bigger more sensible car is only 5k more expensive I am now potentially looking at something like the Hyundai iqonic 6. which looks gorgeous
Does icy weather affect performance? luckily I saw no snow last winter.
Has anyone taken anEV to the alps or Cairngorns in the snowy seaon and noticed the difference, if there is one?
Batteries don't take/hold as much charge in colder weather (someone other than me will explain the science lol), so you naturally have less to begin with (in summer i get 360 range.. In winter i get nearer to 300 maybe less) .. Plus you need to use lights, wipers, heater etc
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"Apparently I'd only qualify for low rate PIP but you need high rate to qualify for Motability. Did you ask for a Mandatory Reconsideration? I think things have changed recently, so they are more useful (rather than being another loop to jump through on the way to appeal!). I went from no points in mobility to 12 (on the planning question). I also had some advice from a charity working with autistic people. It was invaluable to get more of an inside perspective. I've not pursued it further because I really didn't/don't have the mental fortitude to do so. Too much other stuff going on. One of my mates who is amputee had everything taken off him, PIP + car and it was absolutely ridiculous. That was recently too." Gotta love the Tories | |||
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. I wish I could get Motability (meant in the best possible way!) Apparently being a wheelchair user isn't enough "Neither is being a temporary wheelchair user with a shattered kneecap and leg bone, when it comes to getting a blue card. The money situation gets looked into as well. 1st floor flats sans lift are not much fun for wheelchair/crutches users either. | |||
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"I've not pursued it further because I really didn't/don't have the mental fortitude to do so. Too much other stuff going on. One of my mates who is amputee had everything taken off him, PIP + car and it was absolutely ridiculous. That was recently too." I'm sorry to hear that. They once tried to take mine away. One time I had scored 32 points, but at the "renewal" I scored zero. That's quite some recovery!
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. I wish I could get Motability (meant in the best possible way!) Apparently being a wheelchair user isn't enough
Neither is being a temporary wheelchair user with a shattered kneecap and leg bone, when it comes to getting a blue card. The money situation gets looked into as well.
1st floor flats sans lift are not much fun for wheelchair/crutches users either."No, there's no temp blue badge. I had to wait for 2yrs to get mine. Only then did they accept I was actually disabled
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"I really want an electric car, but right now what is putting me off is the price & range. I don’t want to buy a Tesla, but the ones that I want to have a range of 300 miles (real world) when I need considerably more (in the 4/500 mile)
If you can't afford one like many people cant, they are out of reach right now. However if it range anxiety issues, you can have an electric car by simply changing the way you use it. If you are travelling beyond the range, add a recharge stop to the journey, you would probably need a break.
That’s fair, but in that I have to account for less than 300 if I start using the heating/ac, radio etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I “can” afford one if I really wanted to, but sensible me says “no way, not right now”
Depends how heavy footed are too.. Gone are the days of 'eat my dust'.. The car has shit loads of power.. But it eats the range "I’ve read it’s a trade off between performance & range with electric. I’m not considered a heavy footed driver (got the bike if I want thrills) but it’s the range that does bother me a little. That and I’m struggling why Porsche offer theirs cheaper than Audi yet it’s the same flipping car underneath.   | |||
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"Exactly how can we power electric vehicles during a power cut?" If there's no electricity, you won't be able to fill your car with petrol or diesel. The pumps are powered by electricity... as are the tills and the lights in the petrol station. I believe the usual method would be to charge (or fill) your car when the power is on. Cal | |||
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"I wonder what the demographics for eV ownership are in this country... Seems to me that it's mostly rich folks saving more money on fuel costs... And lots of them are second cars for pootling around town. They are out of reach of a lot of us worker ants. I don't know if it's 'mostly' rich folks. In our cities, a good proportion of taxis are electric. My brother scrimped and saved to get a second-hand electric car. And he can now afford to drive, which he couldn't do if he'd gone petrol. Many motorbility cars are electric or hybrid. We are fsr from 'rich folks,' but thank the stars for our motorbility hybrid. I wish I could get Motability (meant in the best possible way!) Apparently being a wheelchair user isn't enough
Neither is being a temporary wheelchair user with a shattered kneecap and leg bone, when it comes to getting a blue card. The money situation gets looked into as well.
1st floor flats sans lift are not much fun for wheelchair/crutches users either.
No, there's no temp blue badge. I had to wait for 2yrs to get mine. Only then did they accept I was actually disabled
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"It tells you the cost pet kW.. But its hard to guesstimate the actual cost Service stations are up to 48p per kW
It cost me £20 tonput 150 miles on last week
Our diesel would cost about £35 for 150 miles
Mine would cost £18.
Yours must be new! Ours is old and heavy."My car sips diesel. Very economical. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal " thank you for that very informative comparison | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal " Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. " I thought that too, but that is what they stated as the Average uk Annual Mileage. Just had a quick google, according to various sources, average mileage was 7400 in 2019 and 6400 in 2020.... so it's close enough. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal " Yep it's definitely cheaper to run but buying outright can be expensive so I lease. Cost of electric cars are coming down as new competition comes to the market and the tech increases. A new MG4 for example is around £26K with a range of around 260-280 miles. There isn't a huge second hand market yet so leasing is a good option if you want to go electric. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. " I'm not sure if the milage is low, my annual milage has significantly dropped since that thing happened... 20-21 4500 miles 21-22 6000 miles. Working from home cut that back. Interestingly I watched a review of a new MG EV yesterday, priced at 25K and had a great response from the reviewer. Priced at 25K I think, I'm not sure how many new cars are in that price range, I wouldn't expect too many. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Yep it's definitely cheaper to run but buying outright can be expensive so I lease. Cost of electric cars are coming down as new competition comes to the market and the tech increases. A new MG4 for example is around £26K with a range of around 260-280 miles. There isn't a huge second hand market yet so leasing is a good option if you want to go electric." I don't know about leasing... I guess its also linked with mileage? If capital cost between comparible vehicles is about 15k difference between an eV and an ICE car (thumb in the air) and running costs... Assuming the average above is accurate.. The running costs for an eV are about 800 / 900 a year... Let's round it up... 1000 a year cheaper... Its going to take something like 10 to 15 years for the eV to be cheaper. Which doesn't make much sense. Are tyre costs the same given torque variances? What about service and other running costs over its lifetime? Insurance.? Mot? | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Yep it's definitely cheaper to run but buying outright can be expensive so I lease. Cost of electric cars are coming down as new competition comes to the market and the tech increases. A new MG4 for example is around £26K with a range of around 260-280 miles. There isn't a huge second hand market yet so leasing is a good option if you want to go electric. I don't know about leasing... I guess its also linked with mileage? If capital cost between comparible vehicles is about 15k difference between an eV and an ICE car (thumb in the air) and running costs... Assuming the average above is accurate.. The running costs for an eV are about 800 / 900 a year... Let's round it up... 1000 a year cheaper... Its going to take something like 10 to 15 years for the eV to be cheaper. Which doesn't make much sense. Are tyre costs the same given torque variances? What about service and other running costs over its lifetime? Insurance.? Mot? " Just a quick note about running costs. Servicing is simply a visual check unless anything needs replacing Tyres are exactly the same as other cars as is brakes and suspension I broke a front spring on my leaf and took it to my local garage I've used for years He changed the spring and all good His only comment was after test driving it was "fuck me but that buggers quick off the line" lol | |||
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" That and I’m struggling why Porsche offer theirs cheaper than Audi yet it’s the same flipping car underneath. "The Audi e-tron is basically the same car as the VW ID4….. which is basically the same car as the Skoda enyaq They all share the same bits.. you are paying for name and interior The Audi is 65k .. the Skoda is just over 40k | |||
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"The MG 4 is the new one and is 26,000 and blows the Vw out of the water in looks and build quality already And secondhand when they all start to come onto the market wow why would anyone ever but a fossil fueled car again" Perhaps. When will there be a secondhand market? | |||
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" That and I’m struggling why Porsche offer theirs cheaper than Audi yet it’s the same flipping car underneath.
The Audi e-tron is basically the same car as the VW ID4….. which is basically the same car as the Skoda enyaq
They all share the same bits.. you are paying for name and interior
The Audi is 65k .. the Skoda is just over 40k"Aye, however my original comment was about the Audi E-Tron GT. Audi charge £87K base, Porsche charge £75K, same car and same factory. Arguably one has more prestige than the other. It’s so weird. I know Audi have shared parts with other brands, all under the VW umbrella. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. But even at 6500 miles you can then do the sums for 20000 miles if you want to.. (1380 for the ID3, 4190 for the petrol golf) The other thing is electricity is also cheaper overnight… so if you charge then.. it may even be cheaper than what cal are quoting… So again at 20000 miles.. if you are 2800 per year, and you have the car 5 years, that is 14000 pounds So when you looking at your entry point… it’s doesn’t look as bad now Thing is _abio, that's over 3 times the average mileage. It may work better for a smaller percentage. Then you've got the fact that only 38% of cars on the road are over 5 years old... So buy the time youre at break even... Youre buying another one... Maybe there is a fully loaded cost of ownership model out there that shows when a driver in a car will stop paying more for the privelage of driving an eV. " So if 20000 is 3 times over the average usage… that would make the average usage in the year 6500 miles!!!!! Which is what cal used in the first place!
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. But even at 6500 miles you can then do the sums for 20000 miles if you want to.. (1380 for the ID3, 4190 for the petrol golf) The other thing is electricity is also cheaper overnight… so if you charge then.. it may even be cheaper than what cal are quoting… So again at 20000 miles.. if you are 2800 per year, and you have the car 5 years, that is 14000 pounds So when you looking at your entry point… it’s doesn’t look as bad now Thing is _abio, that's over 3 times the average mileage. It may work better for a smaller percentage. Then you've got the fact that only 38% of cars on the road are over 5 years old... So buy the time youre at break even... Youre buying another one... Maybe there is a fully loaded cost of ownership model out there that shows when a driver in a car will stop paying more for the privelage of driving an eV. " Owning any car is a depreciating cost, but the longer you own it the the less it costs you. The question is why would you want to buy an EV? Savings on fuel costs or better for the environment? From what I have read on here, EV's are saving on fuel costs, that box is ticked. If you are buying an EV for environmental benefits, it ticks that box for car emissions on the road. However all cars create an impact on the environment at the manufacturing stage, by keeping your car for 10 years and not replacing it you are being kinder to the environment as one less car is built. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Yep it's definitely cheaper to run but buying outright can be expensive so I lease. Cost of electric cars are coming down as new competition comes to the market and the tech increases. A new MG4 for example is around £26K with a range of around 260-280 miles. There isn't a huge second hand market yet so leasing is a good option if you want to go electric. I don't know about leasing... I guess its also linked with mileage? If capital cost between comparible vehicles is about 15k difference between an eV and an ICE car (thumb in the air) and running costs... Assuming the average above is accurate.. The running costs for an eV are about 800 / 900 a year... Let's round it up... 1000 a year cheaper... Its going to take something like 10 to 15 years for the eV to be cheaper. Which doesn't make much sense. Are tyre costs the same given torque variances? What about service and other running costs over its lifetime? Insurance.? Mot? " A Skoda Octavia, as an example is about the same price as an MG4 and similar size etc so the MG has levelled the playing field in terms of out right purchase price. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. But even at 6500 miles you can then do the sums for 20000 miles if you want to.. (1380 for the ID3, 4190 for the petrol golf) The other thing is electricity is also cheaper overnight… so if you charge then.. it may even be cheaper than what cal are quoting… So again at 20000 miles.. if you are 2800 per year, and you have the car 5 years, that is 14000 pounds So when you looking at your entry point… it’s doesn’t look as bad now Thing is _abio, that's over 3 times the average mileage. It may work better for a smaller percentage. Then you've got the fact that only 38% of cars on the road are over 5 years old... So buy the time youre at break even... Youre buying another one... Maybe there is a fully loaded cost of ownership model out there that shows when a driver in a car will stop paying more for the privelage of driving an eV. Owning any car is a depreciating cost, but the longer you own it the the less it costs you. The question is why would you want to buy an EV? Savings on fuel costs or better for the environment? From what I have read on here, EV's are saving on fuel costs, that box is ticked. If you are buying an EV for environmental benefits, it ticks that box for car emissions on the road. However all cars create an impact on the environment at the manufacturing stage, by keeping your car for 10 years and not replacing it you are being kinder to the environment as one less car is built. " Especially when you think about 'wheel to well' | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Yep it's definitely cheaper to run but buying outright can be expensive so I lease. Cost of electric cars are coming down as new competition comes to the market and the tech increases. A new MG4 for example is around £26K with a range of around 260-280 miles. There isn't a huge second hand market yet so leasing is a good option if you want to go electric. I don't know about leasing... I guess its also linked with mileage? If capital cost between comparible vehicles is about 15k difference between an eV and an ICE car (thumb in the air) and running costs... Assuming the average above is accurate.. The running costs for an eV are about 800 / 900 a year... Let's round it up... 1000 a year cheaper... Its going to take something like 10 to 15 years for the eV to be cheaper. Which doesn't make much sense. Are tyre costs the same given torque variances? What about service and other running costs over its lifetime? Insurance.? Mot? " From what I've read, tyres wear around 30% slower and brake wear is minimal due to regenerative braking using the motors to charge the battery whilst slowing you down. There are much fewer moving parts without an engine, so servicing and maintenance "should" be cheaper too. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. But even at 6500 miles you can then do the sums for 20000 miles if you want to.. (1380 for the ID3, 4190 for the petrol golf) The other thing is electricity is also cheaper overnight… so if you charge then.. it may even be cheaper than what cal are quoting… So again at 20000 miles.. if you are 2800 per year, and you have the car 5 years, that is 14000 pounds So when you looking at your entry point… it’s doesn’t look as bad now " The charging costs were based on charging at tesco & lidl in the article. Charging at home would be cheaper. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. But even at 6500 miles you can then do the sums for 20000 miles if you want to.. (1380 for the ID3, 4190 for the petrol golf) The other thing is electricity is also cheaper overnight… so if you charge then.. it may even be cheaper than what cal are quoting… So again at 20000 miles.. if you are 2800 per year, and you have the car 5 years, that is 14000 pounds So when you looking at your entry point… it’s doesn’t look as bad now Thing is _abio, that's over 3 times the average mileage. It may work better for a smaller percentage. Then you've got the fact that only 38% of cars on the road are over 5 years old... So buy the time youre at break even... Youre buying another one... Maybe there is a fully loaded cost of ownership model out there that shows when a driver in a car will stop paying more for the privelage of driving an eV. " But... if you're replacing your car after 3 or 5 years, then you will also be getting a chunk of the value back in part-ex or resale. People who buy a new car every few years don't just scrap the old ones | |||
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"The MG 4 is the new one and is 26,000 and blows the Vw out of the water in looks and build quality already And secondhand when they all start to come onto the market wow why would anyone ever but a fossil fueled car again" erm I'd always buy fossil fuel over electric as how a car sounds,smells and even the engine itself is important to me. Only reason I looked at a hybrid is for a cheap to run car for my nearly 20k miles a year I do just running around. My new car I'm lucky to get 28mpg around town and if I could have had a hybrid when I ordered it I would have done. However if you had to make me just have one car.. it would be petrol and v6 | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. But even at 6500 miles you can then do the sums for 20000 miles if you want to.. (1380 for the ID3, 4190 for the petrol golf) The other thing is electricity is also cheaper overnight… so if you charge then.. it may even be cheaper than what cal are quoting… So again at 20000 miles.. if you are 2800 per year, and you have the car 5 years, that is 14000 pounds So when you looking at your entry point… it’s doesn’t look as bad now Thing is _abio, that's over 3 times the average mileage. It may work better for a smaller percentage. Then you've got the fact that only 38% of cars on the road are over 5 years old... So buy the time youre at break even... Youre buying another one... Maybe there is a fully loaded cost of ownership model out there that shows when a driver in a car will stop paying more for the privelage of driving an eV. So if 20000 is 3 times over the average usage… that would make the average usage in the year 6500 miles!!!!! Which is what cal used in the first place!
So I am now confused… is the average not the average??? "Cal said the average was 6500 per year. 20000 per year is therefore 3 times the average. What's to be confused about? Those that drive more than 3 times the average is going to be a fairly small percentage by definition.... | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. But even at 6500 miles you can then do the sums for 20000 miles if you want to.. (1380 for the ID3, 4190 for the petrol golf) The other thing is electricity is also cheaper overnight… so if you charge then.. it may even be cheaper than what cal are quoting… So again at 20000 miles.. if you are 2800 per year, and you have the car 5 years, that is 14000 pounds So when you looking at your entry point… it’s doesn’t look as bad now Thing is _abio, that's over 3 times the average mileage. It may work better for a smaller percentage. Then you've got the fact that only 38% of cars on the road are over 5 years old... So buy the time youre at break even... Youre buying another one... Maybe there is a fully loaded cost of ownership model out there that shows when a driver in a car will stop paying more for the privelage of driving an eV. But... if you're replacing your car after 3 or 5 years, then you will also be getting a chunk of the value back in part-ex or resale. People who buy a new car every few years don't just scrap the old ones "Only premiership footballers do that, courtesy of lampposts. | |||
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"According to recent "Real World testing" by the used car seller JCT600, based on current prices (28p/KWH, £1.65- petrol and £1.80 diesel), and based on current prices. The cost of the average annual mileage (6500miles) for a new ID3 would be £448.50, a new Golf 8 1.0 TSI (petrol) £1362.00, and a Golf 8 2.0TDI (Diesel) £1228.50. So quite a bit cheaper, and even more so if you are charging at home. Obviously, the cost savings are offset by the increased purchase cost of electric. Cal Average annual mileage 6500 miles? Isn't that rather low?its good info but I don't think there is much doubt currently running costs are cheaper. The barrier is the purchase cost which are prohibitive certainly to me. But even at 6500 miles you can then do the sums for 20000 miles if you want to.. (1380 for the ID3, 4190 for the petrol golf) The other thing is electricity is also cheaper overnight… so if you charge then.. it may even be cheaper than what cal are quoting… So again at 20000 miles.. if you are 2800 per year, and you have the car 5 years, that is 14000 pounds So when you looking at your entry point… it’s doesn’t look as bad now Thing is _abio, that's over 3 times the average mileage. It may work better for a smaller percentage. Then you've got the fact that only 38% of cars on the road are over 5 years old... So buy the time youre at break even... Youre buying another one... Maybe there is a fully loaded cost of ownership model out there that shows when a driver in a car will stop paying more for the privelage of driving an eV. So if 20000 is 3 times over the average usage… that would make the average usage in the year 6500 miles!!!!! Which is what cal used in the first place!
So I am now confused… is the average not the average???
Cal said the average was 6500 per year. 20000 per year is therefore 3 times the average. What's to be confused about? Those that drive more than 3 times the average is going to be a fairly small percentage by definition...."Yes... the more miles you do, the bigger the savings will be. Personally, I'm in the "they're too pricey for me" category. Also, because I need a van due to being a drummer in several bands, there is little choice for me. What there is, is new to the market... so used options are a distant dream. Cal | |||
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"What are the replacement battery costs and do they degrade quickly like phone batteries do or have a long working life like normal 12 volt batteries do?" Batteries don't degrade like phone batteries as its been reported My leaf is 7yrs old and still going strong And that with admittedly the worst battery set up any company had come up with (not thermally managed at all and battery management saving far too much on top and bottom of charge, nissan panicking in the early days) But so far at 93.000 odd miles and still going great. Phone batteries are tiny compared with high voltage drive batteries (also car batteries "lead acid" are not in the same league at all) And as someone I think said the boots aren't big??? The leaf is bigger inside than a Ford focus, more like the size of a mondeo inside. There is also the MG5 the first estate ev. I'm not saying that evs are for everyone if you want to stick to fossil fuels for whatever reason you come up with then stick to fossil fuels. If you want to try an ev ask a dealer for a test drive or have a look at YouTube Plenty of unbias reviews on cars, some that are coming on the secondhand market But please don't base your views on how good or bad they are by listening to anything the popular media pump out. | |||
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"What are the replacement battery costs and do they degrade quickly like phone batteries do or have a long working life like normal 12 volt batteries do? Batteries don't degrade like phone batteries as its been reported My leaf is 7yrs old and still going strong And that with admittedly the worst battery set up any company had come up with (not thermally managed at all and battery management saving far too much on top and bottom of charge, nissan panicking in the early days) But so far at 93.000 odd miles and still going great. Phone batteries are tiny compared with high voltage drive batteries (also car batteries "lead acid" are not in the same league at all) And as someone I think said the boots aren't big??? The leaf is bigger inside than a Ford focus, more like the size of a mondeo inside. There is also the MG5 the first estate ev. I'm not saying that evs are for everyone if you want to stick to fossil fuels for whatever reason you come up with then stick to fossil fuels. If you want to try an ev ask a dealer for a test drive or have a look at YouTube Plenty of unbias reviews on cars, some that are coming on the secondhand market But please don't base your views on how good or bad they are by listening to anything the popular media pump out. " If there was some thing in my price range and I could charge it over night away from my property, then maybe I could get one. As for lead acid batteries. My last car was 16 years old, I had it for over six years and I never replaced tht battery. This is the sort of reliability I need. | |||
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