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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

Has the world gone barking mad or what?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

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By *r SteelhammerMan
over a year ago

belfast


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

"

Or people can ask is the dog safe enough to stroke a dog can strike yes but the dog could feel threatened by someone random approaching noone needs to do a course or put a muzzle on the dog you just have to show dominance over the canine you have I've had some big dogs in my time dominance over your dog teaches them your the alpha and shows discipline for the dog

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Some dogs should be muzzled even at home. Tom was at a bust stop once and asked a lady if her dog bites. She said no and Tom went to pat the dog. The dog nailed Toms fingers. You said your dog did not bite..

That's not my dog she said..

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

Flagrante


"Some dogs should be muzzled even at home. Tom was at a bust stop once and asked a lady if her dog bites. She said no and Tom went to pat the dog. The dog nailed Toms fingers. You said your dog did not bite..

That's not my dog she said.."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

Or people can ask is the dog safe enough to stroke a dog can strike yes but the dog could feel threatened by someone random approaching noone needs to do a course or put a muzzle on the dog you just have to show dominance over the canine you have I've had some big dogs in my time dominance over your dog teaches them your the alpha and shows discipline for the dog

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I always encourage my daughter to always ask permission before petting an animal. I never pet or get too close without permission, but you should be able to get close to a dog without it feeling threatened.

I owned a lab and he was attacked 4 times by other dogs who were off leash. If they were muzzled and on leash it would never have happened.

I'm from an area where pretty much every 'bad boy' has a staff/bully and I'm sure they are the type to show dominance over the dog but I doubt it makes a difference if you haven't a clue how to socialise them and raise them in a healthy stable environment which is why doing things like dog mandatory courses would be hugely beneficial.

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By *r SteelhammerMan
over a year ago

belfast


"Some dogs should be muzzled even at home. Tom was at a bust stop once and asked a lady if her dog bites. She said no and Tom went to pat the dog. The dog nailed Toms fingers. You said your dog did not bite..

That's not my dog she said.."

Then she gave you false information and should be sued I never used to trust dogs until I got in-between two fully grown husky Cross the moment you submit to them game over the moment you show your dominance and get the dog to submit to you game over for them plus also hold your hand flat let them sniff you first if someone came over to you and patted you on the head you would feel patronised and want to snap it's the same for a dog or a wolf show your dominance to a wolf it will see you as an alfa and they are loyal as heck

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Tom wonders if all dogs should be raised on dry mix. Once they get a taste for blood or meet then it's a recipe for disaster...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?"

Think everyone should just get cats as they're much better and quieter!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ask korea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?"

By they own pets ?

That’s is mental .

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By *r SteelhammerMan
over a year ago

belfast


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

Or people can ask is the dog safe enough to stroke a dog can strike yes but the dog could feel threatened by someone random approaching noone needs to do a course or put a muzzle on the dog you just have to show dominance over the canine you have I've had some big dogs in my time dominance over your dog teaches them your the alpha and shows discipline for the dog

I always encourage my daughter to always ask permission before petting an animal. I never pet or get too close without permission, but you should be able to get close to a dog without it feeling threatened.

I owned a lab and he was attacked 4 times by other dogs who were off leash. If they were muzzled and on leash it would never have happened.

I'm from an area where pretty much every 'bad boy' has a staff/bully and I'm sure they are the type to show dominance over the dog but I doubt it makes a difference if you haven't a clue how to socialise them and raise them in a healthy stable environment which is why doing things like dog mandatory courses would be hugely beneficial."

of course if you don't socialise a dog it can be tricky but it's a cause people put fear in the dog you can't expect to go put your hand in a lions pride and not expect to be attacked it all depends on the dogs situation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ask korea"

Hot Dogs?

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By *r SteelhammerMan
over a year ago

belfast


"Tom wonders if all dogs should be raised on dry mix. Once they get a taste for blood or meet then it's a recipe for disaster..."

Definitely not dogs need there protein aswell as drymix food for also the vitamins salts fats ect that is in the foods

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?"

Only 9? Alot more people have been killed by their spouse/partners? Maybe people should b muzzled? X

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?"
sheeesh maybe theirs a shortage of dog food

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More dogs have been killed by their owners though, that’s just as much a tragedy.

We just have to accept that the world we live in is getting more and more crazy!

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

There are no inherently bad dogs, only bad owners.

Don't @ me.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

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I can't get over the fences anymore

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

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Depends on the dog. Ollie my lab is incredibly chilled and non aggressive - like most Labradors.

He’s also very rarely on his lead. With my arthritis he wouldn’t get nearly enough exercise if he had to walk next to me constantly.

Also - nine people killed by dogs is sad - but how many people have been killed by other people this year? - and how many dogs have been killed by people? A damned sight more than 9 I’ll bet.

The most dangerous and aggressive animals by far are humans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some dogs should be muzzled even at home. Tom was at a bust stop once and asked a lady if her dog bites. She said no and Tom went to pat the dog. The dog nailed Toms fingers. You said your dog did not bite..

That's not my dog she said.."

I've never seen a bust stop. You'd think they would stand out ?

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Yorks/Lincs

IQ test for pet owners

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original


"Some dogs should be muzzled even at home. Tom was at a bust stop once and asked a lady if her dog bites. She said no and Tom went to pat the dog. The dog nailed Toms fingers. You said your dog did not bite..

That's not my dog she said..

I've never seen a bust stop. You'd think they would stand out ?"

A bust stop is where you don't see one for hours then two come at once

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Instead of being eaten by dogs we should adopt the far easts aproach and eat dogs ourselves.. I'd rather eat a dog than be eaten by 1

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

It’s not the dog .. it’s how the dog is trained

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original

My sausage dog tastes funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some dogs should be muzzled even at home. Tom was at a bust stop once and asked a lady if her dog bites. She said no and Tom went to pat the dog. The dog nailed Toms fingers. You said your dog did not bite..

That's not my dog she said..

I've never seen a bust stop. You'd think they would stand out ?

A bust stop is where you don't see one for hours then two come at once"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him

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By *otdave75Man
over a year ago

Chandlers Ford

Fucking shit thread,the people that die or are attacked are generally mistreating dogs or breeding them for fighting. Any dog given the right chances will be loving and gorgeous

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By *hiskeyColaMan
over a year ago

Oswestry


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

"

More people are killed by other people, so should prospective parents have to pass some kind of exam then..?

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By *avexxMan
over a year ago

cheshire

when i was a lad you never heard of dog killing people somethings gone wrong here,, breeding owners i dont know..

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

More people are killed by other people, so should prospective parents have to pass some kind of exam then..?"

I'd be all for that ..yes

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you

When I was a kid the only place you seen a pitbull/rotweiller/alsation were guard dogs of some description now these breeds are popular pets.

People argue that its the owners fault but only these types of dogs have the capability to cause such carnage.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

More people are killed by other people, so should prospective parents have to pass some kind of exam then..?"

If you don't think neglect and poor parenting/circumstances contribute to crime you need your head checked. So yes, more checks are needed for parents.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"It’s not the dog .. it’s how the dog is trained "
.

It's a combination of the breed's nature, upbringing and most importantly the owner's upbringing.

I've seen nasty little spaniels and pekinese, but absolutely gentle rotweilers and alsatians.

People we couldn't muzzle some of those owners.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him "

Fireworks are the one thing that must make their lives hell for a few months.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"When I was a kid the only place you seen a pitbull/rotweiller/alsation were guard dogs of some description now these breeds are popular pets.

People argue that its the owners fault but only these types of dogs have the capability to cause such carnage.

"

Dogs still need to be trained to gaurd and the reason being isn't because of their natural attributes but because of their ability to learn information quickly and retain it....German Shepherd is not a 'gaurd breed' it is part of the pastoral group, working dogs who were originally uses to herd sheep....I have owned German Shepherds all my life and it's a myth that they are naturally aggressive....Police and military use them because of their speed and intelligence and the ability to recognise the difference between working mode and chill mode.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him

Fireworks are the one thing that must make their lives hell for a few months."

Mine is great with fireworks, thunder. The wind is something that spooks him, he literally becomes a lap dog if he hears the wind...or a creaky door. I think it's because the wind has a feel and nothing of substance, he can't make sense or connection like he can with thunder or fireworks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There are no inherently bad dogs, only bad owners.

Don't @ me."

Spot on!! Bring back dog licences for a start.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him

Fireworks are the one thing that must make their lives hell for a few months.

Mine is great with fireworks, thunder. The wind is something that spooks him, he literally becomes a lap dog if he hears the wind...or a creaky door. I think it's because the wind has a feel and nothing of substance, he can't make sense or connection like he can with thunder or fireworks "

And if he decides to attack and eat you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him

Fireworks are the one thing that must make their lives hell for a few months.

Mine is great with fireworks, thunder. The wind is something that spooks him, he literally becomes a lap dog if he hears the wind...or a creaky door. I think it's because the wind has a feel and nothing of substance, he can't make sense or connection like he can with thunder or fireworks

And if he decides to attack and eat you?"

I saw the thread headline and thought that’s an ET post.......!

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him

Fireworks are the one thing that must make their lives hell for a few months.

Mine is great with fireworks, thunder. The wind is something that spooks him, he literally becomes a lap dog if he hears the wind...or a creaky door. I think it's because the wind has a feel and nothing of substance, he can't make sense or connection like he can with thunder or fireworks

And if he decides to attack and eat you?

I saw the thread headline and thought that’s an ET post.......!"

An ET post?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him

Fireworks are the one thing that must make their lives hell for a few months.

Mine is great with fireworks, thunder. The wind is something that spooks him, he literally becomes a lap dog if he hears the wind...or a creaky door. I think it's because the wind has a feel and nothing of substance, he can't make sense or connection like he can with thunder or fireworks

And if he decides to attack and eat you?

I saw the thread headline and thought that’s an ET post.......!"

In the forum please. The reason I I knew it was an ET post was of the subject and the thread should be entitled killer dogs only the nut job ET would describe it otherwise

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him

Fireworks are the one thing that must make their lives hell for a few months.

Mine is great with fireworks, thunder. The wind is something that spooks him, he literally becomes a lap dog if he hears the wind...or a creaky door. I think it's because the wind has a feel and nothing of substance, he can't make sense or connection like he can with thunder or fireworks

And if he decides to attack and eat you?

I saw the thread headline and thought that’s an ET post.......!

In the forum please. The reason I I knew it was an ET post was of the subject and the thread should be entitled killer dogs only the nut job ET would describe it otherwise "

Nut Job?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My yorkie is 17, and has 5 teeth. He's highly aggressive in he gets super angry and fluffy though. I'm worried he'll attack the public... What do we do?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My yorkie is 17, and has 5 teeth. He's highly aggressive in he gets super angry and fluffy though. I'm worried he'll attack the public... What do we do?! "

Remove the remaining 5 teeth and liquidise his food or breast feed him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My yorkie is 17, and has 5 teeth. He's highly aggressive in he gets super angry and fluffy though. I'm worried he'll attack the public... What do we do?!

Remove the remaining 5 teeth and liquidise his food or breast feed him?"

He eats mush... We have a currently lactating cat but he seems unkeen due to it latching on to his back whenever he wanders past (he does the full limping I'm a disabled person vibe when he spots her). I'd also breastfeed..

But as I'm middle aged I'm just shooting dust outta my flute these days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's 10.2 million dogs in the UK (according to Google) so statistically dogs are generally safe.

I've been bitten by more guinea pigs than dogs so maybe we need to do something about them instead!

Why isn't it all over the news?!

MrWho.

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original


"My yorkie is 17, and has 5 teeth. He's highly aggressive in he gets super angry and fluffy though. I'm worried he'll attack the public... What do we do?! "

I think what you have there is a gremlin...my advice ..don't get him wet

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

Just been to Malta. Everyone keeps pooch on a lead. So much nicer.

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By *andy 1Couple
over a year ago

northeast

10,2 million thats some dog shit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"'Pet dog' there lies the problem...dogs shouldn't be seen as pets, they should be treated with the respect they deserve and people should equip themselves with the knowledge to care for them, which means being their advocate and not putting them in to a position where they may react

I own a German Shepherd, he can be reactive, he can be anxious. I never put him in a position where he doesn't feel safe to the point of reaching, it's my job to protect him

Fireworks are the one thing that must make their lives hell for a few months.

Mine is great with fireworks, thunder. The wind is something that spooks him, he literally becomes a lap dog if he hears the wind...or a creaky door. I think it's because the wind has a feel and nothing of substance, he can't make sense or connection like he can with thunder or fireworks

And if he decides to attack and eat you?"

Well he does have a BARF diet (bones and raw feeding)

Well, in my 48 years of being around German Shepherds it's not happened yet! Successfully raised two little boys around them too and they weren't eaten either so I think your being a little OTT there Tom.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?"

Until one knows the full story is mere speculation, for all we know the fuckers could’ve been abusing the animals for their dog to turn & attack then. We don't know the facts so pointless speculating. Know that if dogs are looked after and trained well they have nothing but devotional luv towards their owners. Is never the animals fault...!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some dogs should be muzzled even at home. Tom was at a bust stop once and asked a lady if her dog bites. She said no and Tom went to pat the dog. The dog nailed Toms fingers. You said your dog did not bite..

That's not my dog she said.."

this made me

sorry Tom, but was funny...!

lesson learned...!

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?

Until one knows the full story is mere speculation, for all we know the fuckers could’ve been abusing the animals for their dog to turn & attack then. We don't know the facts so pointless speculating. Know that if dogs are looked after and trained well they have nothing but devotional luv towards their owners. Is never the animals fault...!"

Dogs can get jealous of babies and children...dogs can be looked after by the food provider..and show no outward " emotion"...

More aggressive breeds can suddenly attack a child..

The usual response is " well he/ she has never done that before..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Some dogs should be muzzled even at home. Tom was at a bust stop once and asked a lady if her dog bites. She said no and Tom went to pat the dog. The dog nailed Toms fingers. You said your dog did not bite..

That's not my dog she said.."

That's one of my favourite scenes from the Pink Panther movies too. Peter Sellers did it better though.

MrWho.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In short, it is entirely an owner’s responsibility whether their dog will be aggressive or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?

Until one knows the full story is mere speculation, for all we know the fuckers could’ve been abusing the animals for their dog to turn & attack then. We don't know the facts so pointless speculating. Know that if dogs are looked after and trained well they have nothing but devotional luv towards their owners. Is never the animals fault...!

Dogs can get jealous of babies and children...dogs can be looked after by the food provider..and show no outward " emotion"...

More aggressive breeds can suddenly attack a child..

The usual response is " well he/ she has never done that before..

"

They can, this is what I mean about treating them like the dogs they are and not as pets which means showing respect to them as beings in their own right.

I cringe when I see people on social media posting videos of their kids crawling all over the dog and pulling at them You can see the body language that it is potentially a disaster waiting to happen....far from cute or necessary.

Understanding a dogs body language is crucial....there will be subtle signals that can easily be missed if your not paying attention or just clueless

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?

Until one knows the full story is mere speculation, for all we know the fuckers could’ve been abusing the animals for their dog to turn & attack then. We don't know the facts so pointless speculating. Know that if dogs are looked after and trained well they have nothing but devotional luv towards their owners. Is never the animals fault...!"

This

To all those talking about alpha & wolves, need to read up on the actual evidence on wolves, where that misconception is challenged across the board. Packs work together collectively rather than through fear of a dominant alpha. Where as, there is lots of evidence from people working with animals, including a variety of wild animals, showing that consistant positive reinforcement methods are the most effective in outcome.

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over a year ago


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?

Until one knows the full story is mere speculation, for all we know the fuckers could’ve been abusing the animals for their dog to turn & attack then. We don't know the facts so pointless speculating. Know that if dogs are looked after and trained well they have nothing but devotional luv towards their owners. Is never the animals fault...!

Dogs can get jealous of babies and children...dogs can be looked after by the food provider..and show no outward " emotion"...

More aggressive breeds can suddenly attack a child..

The usual response is " well he/ she has never done that before..

They can, this is what I mean about treating them like the dogs they are and not as pets which means showing respect to them as beings in their own right.

I cringe when I see people on social media posting videos of their kids crawling all over the dog and pulling at them You can see the body language that it is potentially a disaster waiting to happen....far from cute or necessary.

Understanding a dogs body language is crucial....there will be subtle signals that can easily be missed if your not paying attention or just clueless "

Totally agree

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Why does nobody run dog defence classes in this country. Tom has researched what to do if attacked not only one dog but a pack of them. It's amazing how a large aggressive dog can be disabled by voice, body language, stance and if necessary nothing more than a pencil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think people who own dogs should have to do dog courses or something along those lines to show they are capable of raising an animal. I would make it mandatory for dogs with highest attack stats. I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I'd happily see all dogs muzzled and leashed anywhere in public. I love dogs, but I think it would be the safest option and make a big difference but I doubt anyone would like that idea.

More people are killed by other people, so should prospective parents have to pass some kind of exam then..?"

I did write that in my original post but decided against posting it.

I wouldn't have an issue with something like a parenting exam to give you an idea of whether someone is capable. But it's never going to work, the same with dogs. It's impossible to enforce and people would go crazy if others dictated if they could or couldn't have a child. And where do we even start? It's too complex.

I knew it wouldn't be an opinion most would agree with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

9 people doesn't seem like a lot, but how many dog attacks are there that end with injury? A quick Google shows 740 people per 100 000 population per year and that isn't including dog on dog attacks.

It's something that we would have more control over than humans if we did do courses, leash and muzzles.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?

Until one knows the full story is mere speculation, for all we know the fuckers could’ve been abusing the animals for their dog to turn & attack then. We don't know the facts so pointless speculating. Know that if dogs are looked after and trained well they have nothing but devotional luv towards their owners. Is never the animals fault...!

This

To all those talking about alpha & wolves, need to read up on the actual evidence on wolves, where that misconception is challenged across the board. Packs work together collectively rather than through fear of a dominant alpha. Where as, there is lots of evidence from people working with animals, including a variety of wild animals, showing that consistant positive reinforcement methods are the most effective in outcome. "

Absolutely agree....positive reinforcement and reward based training is the most humane training method there is, the principles of which isn't about training your dog, it's about training the owner to understand him and what his needs are, your dog needs you to be hid advocate not his adversity

My sister in law is a behaviourist....she sees so many dogs damaged by this alpha dominance style of training....And so many stupid owners who don't seek the correct help sooner because by the time they get to Karen it's often too late....She is then teaching the owners to manage the behaviours rather than retrain them because the negative neural pathways have already been connected....and you can put as many positive experiences on top as you like, the feelings will still be there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why does nobody run dog defence classes in this country. Tom has researched what to do if attacked not only one dog but a pack of them. It's amazing how a large aggressive dog can be disabled by voice, body language, stance and if necessary nothing more than a pencil. "

Do you write them a warning letter ?

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By *iable93Man
over a year ago

Liverpool

Bigger dogs always appear more aggressive / scary. I’ve been around animals my whole life as well as through my career and I can probably count on one hand being hurt by a large dog.

Unfortunately, it’s a given that more people would be killed by big dogs due to the size / strength but I’d be interested to see how in comparison, people killed by cows etc.

Little dogs on the other hand… they’re always given the benefit of the doubt because of their size but the majority of littler dogs I’ve met tend to be horrible.

Again, comes down to socialisation, proper training and mutual respect. Licensing and insurance could possibly be the answer to stop societies’ little rats owning dogs for the purpose of breeding / fighting / protection.

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Yorks/Lincs

I was in a petrol station once and they had an alsation guard dog behind the counter, A lorry driver in front of me in the que, went to pay he lent over the counter to stroke the dog and the alsation leapt up and took a chunk out of his face .. the moral of the story is -------

stupid people do stupid things and stupid people let stupid things happen ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bigger dogs always appear more aggressive / scary. I’ve been around animals my whole life as well as through my career and I can probably count on one hand being hurt by a large dog.

Unfortunately, it’s a given that more people would be killed by big dogs due to the size / strength but I’d be interested to see how in comparison, people killed by cows etc.

Little dogs on the other hand… they’re always given the benefit of the doubt because of their size but the majority of littler dogs I’ve met tend to be horrible.

Again, comes down to socialisation, proper training and mutual respect. Licensing and insurance could possibly be the answer to stop societies’ little rats owning dogs for the purpose of breeding / fighting / protection."

Absolutely! People think their little precious baring it's teeth is cute and funny...Or laugh when it's acting like a twat in public....now let's switch to a 56k GSD reacting in the same way, it's not cute or funny coming from any breed and the higher the anxiety the more chance of a reaction.

My dog got bit by a jack Russell, owner thought it was hilarious that their little precious was attacking my big 'scary' German Shepherd...they were just standing there, had to literally kick their creature to stop it, and they didn't think that me sending the Vet bill to them was funny either and I'm still teaching my dog that other dogs can be fun to play with....

Now let's reverse that scenario....GSD bite JD....I laugh. It's not acceptable from any breed type

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Why does nobody run dog defence classes in this country. Tom has researched what to do if attacked not only one dog but a pack of them. It's amazing how a large aggressive dog can be disabled by voice, body language, stance and if necessary nothing more than a pencil.

Do you write them a warning letter ?"

Tom will not reveal the techniqus of self defence against dogs on here because giving a little knowledge is dangerous and some idiots may think that they can attack a dog. Suffice to say that Tom carries a self defence kit of every day items to thwart any attacks by dogs. A pencil and a rolled up newspaper are just two of the items and if the feds or fog warden decide to search Tom then he only has innocent items. A newspaper to read and a pencil to do the crossword. But in the right hands Tom can easily defend against a snarling alsation. Every dog has a chink in it's armour

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why does nobody run dog defence classes in this country. Tom has researched what to do if attacked not only one dog but a pack of them. It's amazing how a large aggressive dog can be disabled by voice, body language, stance and if necessary nothing more than a pencil.

Do you write them a warning letter ?

Tom will not reveal the techniqus of self defence against dogs on here because giving a little knowledge is dangerous and some idiots may think that they can attack a dog. Suffice to say that Tom carries a self defence kit of every day items to thwart any attacks by dogs. A pencil and a rolled up newspaper are just two of the items and if the feds or fog warden decide to search Tom then he only has innocent items. A newspaper to read and a pencil to do the crossword. But in the right hands Tom can easily defend against a snarling alsation. Every dog has a chink in it's armour"

You’ve been watching too many movies, Tom is no John Wick...

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By *eard and TattsCouple
over a year ago

Cwmbran


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?"

You mean killer dogs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why does nobody run dog defence classes in this country. Tom has researched what to do if attacked not only one dog but a pack of them. It's amazing how a large aggressive dog can be disabled by voice, body language, stance and if necessary nothing more than a pencil.

Do you write them a warning letter ?

Tom will not reveal the techniqus of self defence against dogs on here because giving a little knowledge is dangerous and some idiots may think that they can attack a dog. Suffice to say that Tom carries a self defence kit of every day items to thwart any attacks by dogs. A pencil and a rolled up newspaper are just two of the items and if the feds or fog warden decide to search Tom then he only has innocent items. A newspaper to read and a pencil to do the crossword. But in the right hands Tom can easily defend against a snarling alsation. Every dog has a chink in it's armour"

I see...ask the rabid pit bull what the answer is to 7 across then kick him in the family jewels while he’s distracted

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"Reports that 9 people on the UK alone have been killed by pet dogs. What should be done about this. What is going on here guys?

Until one knows the full story is mere speculation, for all we know the fuckers could’ve been abusing the animals for their dog to turn & attack then. We don't know the facts so pointless speculating. Know that if dogs are looked after and trained well they have nothing but devotional luv towards their owners. Is never the animals fault...!

This

To all those talking about alpha & wolves, need to read up on the actual evidence on wolves, where that misconception is challenged across the board. Packs work together collectively rather than through fear of a dominant alpha. Where as, there is lots of evidence from people working with animals, including a variety of wild animals, showing that consistant positive reinforcement methods are the most effective in outcome.

Absolutely agree....positive reinforcement and reward based training is the most humane training method there is, the principles of which isn't about training your dog, it's about training the owner to understand him and what his needs are, your dog needs you to be hid advocate not his adversity

My sister in law is a behaviourist....she sees so many dogs damaged by this alpha dominance style of training....And so many stupid owners who don't seek the correct help sooner because by the time they get to Karen it's often too late....She is then teaching the owners to manage the behaviours rather than retrain them because the negative neural pathways have already been connected....and you can put as many positive experiences on top as you like, the feelings will still be there.

"

Part of the problem with that also is the vast amount of self appointed positive reinforcement trainers have no clue what they are talking about in the first place.

Very few PR trainers actually have the knowledge and skill to rehabilitate a red zone dog. Misdirection and bribes alone are not going to help these dogs. The recommendation for putting these dogs down come from PR trainers they have failed.

Balanced dog trainers that use methods of both corrections and rewards have far superior results across the board for both docile pets and red zone aggression.

My friend had a woman come to her with her dog that had been court ordered to be rehabed or else it would be put down. She had been to 7 different PR trainers before seeing my friend. 5 of them had said nothing could be done and dog needed to be put down. My friend knew she could not help the dog herself so recommended a balanced trainer, a friend of ours. Within just a week the dog had gone from red zone to minor reactions with no correction tools other than a slip lead. Not long after that

the dog was the most playful and mild dog. This dog was to be court ordered to death, recommended by PR trainers to be put down, all because they disagree with firm but fair corrections.

A lot of PR trainers are even too scared to assess aggressive dogs. So many aggressive dogs can't be rehomed and are put down because of it. My balance trainer friend will often help help these dogs and centres for free when possible.

I fully agree that the alpha dominance thing is bullshit, but it still holds some weight in that your dog should be looking to you for guidance and permission. For them to know that you will be able to handle the situation and they don't need to. You are still the authority.

Dog needs first, breed needs second, pet/family member needs last - but still critical they are treated as such.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"Tom wonders if all dogs should be raised on dry mix. Once they get a taste for blood or meet then it's a recipe for disaster..."

Oh dear. Next you'll be pushing for all animals to be fed vegan food while saying how the earth is flat.

C

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

The problem here is that dogs have been weaponised through certain aggressive breeds. The apologists say "it's not the dog, it's the owner". But you don't hear of folks getting ripped apart by Corgis or Labs do you?

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By *rlandoMan
over a year ago

Yorks/Lincs


"The problem here is that dogs have been weaponised through certain aggressive breeds. The apologists say "it's not the dog, it's the owner". But you don't hear of folks getting ripped apart by Corgis or Labs do you?"

statistically you are more likely to be bitten by a Labrador than a pit bull.

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore


"The problem here is that dogs have been weaponised through certain aggressive breeds. The apologists say "it's not the dog, it's the owner". But you don't hear of folks getting ripped apart by Corgis or Labs do you?

statistically you are more likely to be bitten by a Labrador than a pit bull. "

In proportion to their respective populations? I very much doubt it.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough


"The problem here is that dogs have been weaponised through certain aggressive breeds. The apologists say "it's not the dog, it's the owner". But you don't hear of folks getting ripped apart by Corgis or Labs do you?"

Sadly you do

Anyone remember this poor woman?

A French woman who received the world’s first partial face transplant in 2005 has died aged 49.

Isabelle Dinoire underwent the revolutionary surgery after her nose, mouth and chin were mauled by her pet Labrador. Her injuries meant she had difficulty speaking and eating.

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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago

1950's Original


"I was in a petrol station once and they had an alsation guard dog behind the counter, A lorry driver in front of me in the que, went to pay he lent over the counter to stroke the dog and the alsation leapt up and took a chunk out of his face .. the moral of the story is -------

stupid people do stupid things and stupid people let stupid things happen ...."

Another moral is...

don't let dogs serve behind a counter..

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

And from the paper (that worships a dead ex princess and thinks unaffordable housing is a good thing) aka Daily Stale

This is an old story too.

Princess Beatrice's pet dog Max has been attacked by the Queen's corgis, it was claimed last night.

The 11-year-old terrier nearly lost an ear and suffered horrific bites during the fight at Balmoral a week ago, according to a source.

It comes just days after another of Beatrice's family dogs, Millie, died of natural causes.

The fight is believed to have started after the Queen's six dogs were taken for a walk with the York family's three Norfolk terriers last Sunday.

The Queen owns three corgis, called Monty, Holly, Willow, and three dorgis – a dachshund and corgi cross – named Cider, Candy and Vulcan.

A source reportedly said: 'It was really nasty. The Queen's dog boy was taking the corgis for a walk and they were joined by the Norfolk terriers, which came [to Balmoral] with Prince Andrew.

'They were being taken along the long corridor leading to the Tower Door before being let into the grounds for a walk and they all became over-excited.

'They began fighting among themselves and unfortunately the dog boy lost control.

'The next thing we knew there were horrific yelps and screams, and it seems the corgis picked on Max.'

The source added that there was 'blood everywhere', and that the dog was 'very badly injured' and needed to be taken to the local vet.

'The Queen and duke were very upset when they were told but the dog is really Beatrice's and she wasn't there either,' the source said.

'She later came up to Scotland and has been looking after Max. He was very lucky to survive.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"And from the paper (that worships a dead ex princess and thinks unaffordable housing is a good thing) aka Daily Stale

This is an old story too.

Princess Beatrice's pet dog Max has been attacked by the Queen's corgis, it was claimed last night.

The 11-year-old terrier nearly lost an ear and suffered horrific bites during the fight at Balmoral a week ago, according to a source.

It comes just days after another of Beatrice's family dogs, Millie, died of natural causes.

The fight is believed to have started after the Queen's six dogs were taken for a walk with the York family's three Norfolk terriers last Sunday.

The Queen owns three corgis, called Monty, Holly, Willow, and three dorgis – a dachshund and corgi cross – named Cider, Candy and Vulcan.

A source reportedly said: 'It was really nasty. The Queen's dog boy was taking the corgis for a walk and they were joined by the Norfolk terriers, which came [to Balmoral] with Prince Andrew.

'They were being taken along the long corridor leading to the Tower Door before being let into the grounds for a walk and they all became over-excited.

'They began fighting among themselves and unfortunately the dog boy lost control.

'The next thing we knew there were horrific yelps and screams, and it seems the corgis picked on Max.'

The source added that there was 'blood everywhere', and that the dog was 'very badly injured' and needed to be taken to the local vet.

'The Queen and duke were very upset when they were told but the dog is really Beatrice's and she wasn't there either,' the source said.

'She later came up to Scotland and has been looking after Max. He was very lucky to survive."

This is what happens when dogs roam in packs. Thet all vie to be the alpha dog

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

Imagine filling in a form and for occupation you have to put "dog boy"

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Imagine filling in a form and for occupation you have to put "dog boy" "

What does dog boy look like?

And should the post be called dog person?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"Imagine filling in a form and for occupation you have to put "dog boy"

What does dog boy look like?

And should the post be called dog person?"

Or bitch boy ?

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By *inkywife1981Couple
over a year ago

A town near you


"There's 10.2 million dogs in the UK (according to Google) so statistically dogs are generally safe.

I've been bitten by more guinea pigs than dogs so maybe we need to do something about them instead!

Why isn't it all over the news?!

MrWho."

I'm 5ft 11 and weigh 14 stone. Got attacked by a vicious jack Russel which I managed to kick away. Had it been a pitbull I prob would have sustained much more severe injuries compared to the one the jack Russell left me with

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

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Most of the deaths/attacks/bites from dogs have occurred in the home haven’t they? That suggests to me that the owners should have done more to train their pet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was in a petrol station once and they had an alsation guard dog behind the counter, A lorry driver in front of me in the que, went to pay he lent over the counter to stroke the dog and the alsation leapt up and took a chunk out of his face .. the moral of the story is -------

stupid people do stupid things and stupid people let stupid things happen ....

Another moral is...

don't let dogs serve behind a counter.."

Who let the dogs out?

Who, who, who, who, who?

Who let the dogs out?

Who, who, who, who, who?…

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