FabSwingers.com forum: Primark Changing Rooms

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that Primark is reviewing the provision of same sex changing rooms after a poor lady twice had men open the curtain on her ..

What the hell is going on here people ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

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By *umagain58Man
over a year ago

London

Yes bad. Always a time and place and this not it. You never grope someone without asking. It’s abuse

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

keep it to the thread

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

Always amazes me, that when someone comes up with these ideas, it’s not bloody obvious to them this could happen.

You’d never put up a curtain for mixed toilets but you do for a changing room ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that Primark is reviewing the provision of same sex changing rooms after a poor lady twice had men open the curtain on her ..

What the hell is going on here people ... "

ET where is this reported?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that Primark is reviewing the provision of same sex changing rooms after a poor lady twice had men open the curtain on her ..

What the hell is going on here people ...

ET where is this reported?"

The woman who experienced this posted afterwards on Twitter and other people have also shared their experiences (it's not just Primark FWIW - Monsoon have had criticism too as they just have curtains). Primark posted this morning that they will review their changing rooms policies.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

They are reviewing their practice, quite right too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If only people could have foreseen this happening ..

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By *jorkishMan
over a year ago

Seaforth

It doesn't just happen to women either!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Yes bad. Always a time and place and this not it. You never grope someone without asking. It’s abuse"

Where does it mention groping someone?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/27/primark-to-make-fitting-rooms-safer-after-two-men-walk-in-on-woman-17455651/

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By *piderxMan
over a year ago

west lothian

I used to work in retail and this goes on more than you imagine

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

And will the same happen in these so called same sex toilets.. ?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/27/primark-to-make-fitting-rooms-safer-after-two-men-walk-in-on-woman-17455651/"

Evie is Toms fact checker..

He never makes up the news. He just reports it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened. "

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms "

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What is a Primark?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room"

Isn’t it same sex? Or am I missing something

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room"

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/27/primark-to-make-fitting-rooms-safer-after-two-men-walk-in-on-woman-17455651/

Evie is Toms fact checker..

He never makes up the news. He just reports it...

Always got your back Tom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019. "

That’s what I thought, I was worried I’d been using the wrong rooms!

So the issue is just doors

If your gonna have a same sex changing room

Wait. Scrap that

If your gonna have ANYWHERE, where people need privacy, they should be provided locking doors. Not curtains

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019. "

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities. "

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

I mean, it makes no sense to people with some common sense. But to the new world this would make perfect sense and it's just these guys that are in the wrong.

Of course they are in the wrong but also shouldn't have been given the opportunity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stop the cap, Tom

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I mean, it makes no sense to people with some common sense. But to the new world this would make perfect sense and it's just these guys that are in the wrong.

Of course they are in the wrong but also shouldn't have been given the opportunity. "

But everyone wants equal rights. I think it was wrong but shop owners have to give everyone the right. Be it wrong....

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Why not just keep the sexes apart in different changing rooms.. some religious people would not be happy in same sex changing rooms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Why not just keep the sexes apart in different changing rooms.. some religious people would not be happy in same sex changing rooms"

Because we live in a multi cultural society

Why would anyone be worried in their own little lockable changing room

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ah, why am I not surprised?

I don't really like the idea of mixed changing rooms. I've had too many experiences with men that make me view that in an uncomfortable way.

I don't like mixed toilets either, and will only use them if they are single cubicle or fully enclosed cubicle in an open enough room that people would know if something happened.

I wish I didn't feel this way, but men... *sigh*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah, why am I not surprised?

I don't really like the idea of mixed changing rooms. I've had too many experiences with men that make me view that in an uncomfortable way.

I don't like mixed toilets either, and will only use them if they are single cubicle or fully enclosed cubicle in an open enough room that people would know if something happened.

I wish I didn't feel this way, but men... *sigh*"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping "

In theory. But it doesn't seem as though stores are introducing gender neutral/mixed sex changing rooms in a way that means safety, respect and comfort for all. I've seen photos of H&M gender neutral changing spaces. Curtains only and an 18 inch gap at the bottom. If they do that at my local H&M I will not use it and I'd be concerned for my teen daughter. John Lewis, M&S and Monsoon have all had criticism and complaints.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Sounds like you agree then. No doors is the issue

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Sounds like you agree then. No doors is the issue "

Honestly, I haven't encountered a mixed sex changing room yet. So I'm not sure how I feel about them. Mainly negative because huge stores aren't caring about their customers and fixing the mistakes would take time and money.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

This system is annoying and totally shits on the patriarchal systems to which I've become accustomed to. Now I have to queue just to try something on rather than just go in a chose one of the many empty booths. Then pass the mile long queue to the ladies changing rooms on way the the tills. What is the world coming to

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"I mean, it makes no sense to people with some common sense. But to the new world this would make perfect sense and it's just these guys that are in the wrong.

Of course they are in the wrong but also shouldn't have been given the opportunity.

But everyone wants equal rights. I think it was wrong but shop owners have to give everyone the right. Be it wrong.... "

I think we agree.

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By *iker boy 69Man
over a year ago

midlands

Theres no problem at all with muxed changing rooms, just full length doors are needed, with locks on. No issue at all. Curtains are asking for issues, be it m walking in on f, or vice versa. Waterworld at stoke on trent has had mixed for 20 odd years, and some are large enough to have an adult and kids in

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Do you go swimming with mixed sex changing rooms? Yes they have doors but are generally open at the top and bottom.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room"

They're not women's changing rooms. They're mixed. I thought all changing rooms in shops were mixed.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

"I mean, it makes no sense to people with some common sense. But to the new world this would make perfect sense and it's just these guys that are in the wrong.

Of course they are in the wrong but also shouldn't have been given the opportunity. "

How do you know they were in the wrong? Mebbe they thought the rooms were unoccupied.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Do you go swimming with mixed sex changing rooms? Yes they have doors but are generally open at the top and bottom. "

I've used family rooms with my kids in the past but it's been several years.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I mean, it makes no sense to people with some common sense. But to the new world this would make perfect sense and it's just these guys that are in the wrong.

Of course they are in the wrong but also shouldn't have been given the opportunity.

How do you know they were in the wrong? Mebbe they thought the rooms were unoccupied."

The curtain was drawn. There were empty cubicles. So yes they were in the wrong. They were predators.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

They're not women's changing rooms. They're mixed. I thought all changing rooms in shops were mixed. "

?? Not at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only place ive been with mixed changing rooms is H and M and ive never had a problem with anyone opening a curtain on me or doing it to anyone else. If a curtains closed with would you open it.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

They're not women's changing rooms. They're mixed. I thought all changing rooms in shops were mixed.

?? Not at all. "

Have to check but never seen separate ones. Always thought there should be a door because I would say a lot of people have had the curtain opened. Not just women

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

Also read there a woman was arrested for assaulting a boy in Primark in Southampton.

Mebbe it's people who shop in Primark are the issue.

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Fulwood

Do we know if it was a perfectly innocent mistake by these men - was there anything to signify the cubicle was occupied and not just left with a curtain drawn?

All that being said - the solution is simple - make it a lockable cubicle with a solid door.

That will likely bring its own issues when Tom brings us reports of cples fucking in the lockable changing rooms - theres a few videos on here already if people shagging in locked changing cubicles. It will be all over the news!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This kind of thing would never happen in Marks n Spencer’s.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"I mean, it makes no sense to people with some common sense. But to the new world this would make perfect sense and it's just these guys that are in the wrong.

Of course they are in the wrong but also shouldn't have been given the opportunity.

How do you know they were in the wrong? Mebbe they thought the rooms were unoccupied."

Possibly, possibly not. We probably can't know for sure. I sure this has happened in ladies changing rooms too. The chances are in those cases most likely innocent although likewise you can't rule out the actions of an inappropriate female sex pest. But I'm sure in the ladies changing room this would naturally be assumed as innocent. However there is in society for many reasons a real question over the credibility of the innocence of men and the default assumption this action was not innocent or at least very little benifit of the doubt. There is also a question of peoples right to feel safe and that females often don't feel safe around men. So regardless of innocent or not we have a practical issue of people's sense of safety. Now surely the point of gender neutral spaces is everyone of every gender can feel safe using the same facilities. While there is still issues and mistrust between people surely there needs to be a proper system of secure isolation when in a vulnerable state of undress (although in some ways I kind of feel that's contradictory to the concept of a shared environment). Therefore it's a really simple remedy of make each individual booth secured with a lockable door. Then everyone of any gender can change alone without fear of others. Although the concept of fear, privacy and what is decent is not universal so maybe a communal space for those who value speed over privacy could be offered in addition to individual secure booths.

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By *unsigntwoCouple
over a year ago

athlone

Firstly,I was a manager with Primark.

Up to the mid 90's their fitting rooms were separate but communal. Large rooms with benches,no privacy.

It was only the change in EU retail guidelines that forced ALL retailers to have private cubicals.....what we have now in shops. Better quality clothing shops will have better facilities...ie DOORS !

Primark is so inexpensive that the cost of employing people to supervise and maintain fitting rooms means a higher wage bill .....so by doing the minimum and making it quite uncomfortable for people they are trying to discourage their use........method in their madness really

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Do we know if it was a perfectly innocent mistake by these men - was there anything to signify the cubicle was occupied and not just left with a curtain drawn?

Has Evie fact checked this posters claims.. ?

All that being said - the solution is simple - make it a lockable cubicle with a solid door.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

They're not women's changing rooms. They're mixed. I thought all changing rooms in shops were mixed.

?? Not at all.

Have to check but never seen separate ones. Always thought there should be a door because I would say a lot of people have had the curtain opened. Not just women

M&S has only just moved to gender neutral changing in the last couple of years (I don't have one in my city). I don't live in a small town yet I haven't used a mixed sex changing room.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And will the same happen in these so called same sex toilets.. ?"

The difference is toilets usually have lockable cubicles.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Retailer not investing enough, such as in the building and staff, in all likelihood

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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

".....so by doing the minimum and making it quite uncomfortable for people they are trying to discourage their use........method in their madness really

Today, I can pick up a garment and know how it would fit on me.

But in the early days of my transition, I used to fear using the changing rooms in case anyone like Tom Essex would create hysteria just because he enjoys it. "What's going on guys?"

Even tho I am only attracted to men and before my transition, I used to feel like a real perv in the men's changing rooms.

So what to do? I would go women's clothes shopping in sales, buy loads of stuff I like. Take them home. Pour myself a nice G&T and indulge in dressing up. Trying new stuff with existing to create capsule outfits. Those that didn't fit I just took back and got a refund.

The predators are in the minority. It's the hysteria that media drums up to sell papers or click-bait.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

".....so by doing the minimum and making it quite uncomfortable for people they are trying to discourage their use........method in their madness really

Today, I can pick up a garment and know how it would fit on me.

But in the early days of my transition, I used to fear using the changing rooms in case anyone like Tom Essex would create hysteria just because he enjoys it. "What's going on guys?"

Even tho I am only attracted to men and before my transition, I used to feel like a real perv in the men's changing rooms.

The predators are in the minority. It's the hysteria that media drums up to sell papers or click-bait."

Unfortunately though it's not hysteria because most women will have a story to tell of a man's unwanted or inappropriate behaviour. As far as I know this stiry has nothing to do with trans people or non binary people this was men opening the curtains of women changing. This is the concern in relation to communal spaces not that transpeople are the threat. Whilst I understand it must be exceptionally difficult for you we can't just put women and girls at risk and that is what will be happening.

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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago

Maidstone

"Whilst I understand it must be exceptionally difficult for you we can't just put women and girls at risk and that is what will be happening. "

I don't work in clothing retail so not qualified to say, but if predatory people is the problem, then deal with them!

For sure properly designed lockable full length cubicles is the way forward. Like properly designed gender neutral toilets.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Whilst I understand it must be exceptionally difficult for you we can't just put women and girls at risk and that is what will be happening.

I don't work in clothing retail so not qualified to say, but if predatory people is the problem, then deal with them!

For sure properly designed lockable full length cubicles is the way forward. Like properly designed gender neutral toilets."

Well you can't deal with a predator until they have done something wrong so by having communal spaces where men can see women changing even if they don't want them too is beside the point isn't it. The problem is we are relying on businesses to do the decent thing and they are not therefore it puts particularly women at risk it's a fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Sounds like you agree then. No doors is the issue "

No. Males in the female changing space is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Sounds like you agree then. No doors is the issue

No. Males in the female changing space is. "

Agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Sounds like you agree then. No doors is the issue

No. Males in the female changing space is. "

What this lady says!

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"I mean, it makes no sense to people with some common sense. But to the new world this would make perfect sense and it's just these guys that are in the wrong.

Of course they are in the wrong but also shouldn't have been given the opportunity.

How do you know they were in the wrong? Mebbe they thought the rooms were unoccupied."

Don't think we'd be talking about it if they just accidentally thought it was empty. Or mebbe I'm being I'm wrong.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"Whilst I understand it must be exceptionally difficult for you we can't just put women and girls at risk and that is what will be happening.

I don't work in clothing retail so not qualified to say, but if predatory people is the problem, then deal with them!

For sure properly designed lockable full length cubicles is the way forward. Like properly designed gender neutral toilets."

Or I dunno, just have male and female changing rooms?

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

Safeguarding? Do they know what this word means? By the look of it, no!

Even nudist camps have male and female toilet blocks.

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

This is a problem that has been solved, Primark are unsolving it. Idiots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it ok if the person opening the curtain is gay/Bisexual women?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it ok if the person opening the curtain is gay/Bisexual women?

What's that got to do with anything?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is it ok if the person opening the curtain is gay/Bisexual women?

What's that got to do with anything? "

It is always an issue with men opening women's changing room door/curtain. But the point I am trying to make is that noone should open the door...

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"Is it ok if the person opening the curtain is gay/Bisexual women?

What's that got to do with anything? "

The chaperone rule

ie, all men are deemed a risk in female only areas, gay/bi/straight the screams and complaints would be the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dunno what the law is but if each cubicle has a lockable door surely that means each changing cubicle is it owns little private unisex space. Only 1 person at a time can use it so, why does it need to be gendered

Maybe instead of telling shops they need to keep men and womens room separate to protect the women (victim blaming)

The shops can instead focus on having suitable changing areas, with locks, and the proper safety measures in place if they are needed.

And as much as people want to say this isn’t a trans issue, it does intertwine with it. The world isn’t binary anymore. Lots of people are lots of different things, and by trying to force a binary on changing rooms you’re making their life harder

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"And will the same happen in these so called same sex toilets.. ?

The difference is toilets usually have lockable cubicles. "

So lockable doors in changing rooms is the solution as has been said many times.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Do you go swimming with mixed sex changing rooms? Yes they have doors but are generally open at the top and bottom.

I've used family rooms with my kids in the past but it's been several years. "

But in mixed changing rooms as was the question? Were you not concerned for your children then?

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By *unsigntwoCouple
over a year ago

athlone

I'm laughing here .......

Most of the above comments are valid points.but you have all taken the viewpoint of the customer/customer experience ........for Primark it is a BUSINESS ....what is legal ,what is safe ,what it costs!!!!

They have rock bottom prices

Small margins and high volumes.....they already exchange 99% of clothing...they are educating the customer to try it at home and exchange it later.....its ALL ABOUT THE COST TO SELL......if they could realistically get away with no fitting rooms .....they would!!!

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over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Do you go swimming with mixed sex changing rooms? Yes they have doors but are generally open at the top and bottom.

I've used family rooms with my kids in the past but it's been several years.

But in mixed changing rooms as was the question? Were you not concerned for your children then? "

as I said it was some years ago.

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over a year ago

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Do you go swimming with mixed sex changing rooms? Yes they have doors but are generally open at the top and bottom.

I've used family rooms with my kids in the past but it's been several years.

But in mixed changing rooms as was the question? Were you not concerned for your children then?

as I said it was some years ago. "

Why does that make a difference? Predatory men existed back then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It wasn't a door it was a curtain. Perhaps if they had implemented proper mixed sex changing rooms with lockable doors this incident (and others) wouldn't have happened.

This. Surely the issue is no doors, not gendered rooms

I think the issue is no doors AND allowing men into a women's changing room

It's not a women's changing room though. They've had unisex changing rooms since 2019.

Then the issue is mixing sexes in changing rooms. Single sex was put in place for a reason and this is one of several incidents in Primark facilities.

But mixed sex with doors is better

For example, instead of 2 rooms with 5 stalls each

Now you just have 10 stalls.

So if the shop is extra busy with women, they don’t have to scram between only 5 stalls. While 5 others sit empty coz men don’t like shopping

Do you go swimming with mixed sex changing rooms? Yes they have doors but are generally open at the top and bottom.

I've used family rooms with my kids in the past but it's been several years.

But in mixed changing rooms as was the question? Were you not concerned for your children then?

as I said it was some years ago.

Why does that make a difference? Predatory men existed back then. "

I can't remember what I worried about or thought about a decade ago. I have enough trouble remembering to buy milk.

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By *unsigntwoCouple
over a year ago

athlone

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

You still don't get it !

50 people that had bad experiences in Primark fitting room against the hundreads of thousands that had a good experience.......the figures dont warrant changing anything

Millions still go to Primark.....FOR THE PRICES AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!!

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over a year ago

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

You still don't get it !

50 people that had bad experiences in Primark fitting room against the hundreads of thousands that had a good experience.......the figures dont warrant changing anything

Millions still go to Primark.....FOR THE PRICES AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!!"

Exactly this, so what if you got sexually assaulted as primark, I had a great time so get over it!

(Sarcasm)

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By *heFabtasticsCouple
over a year ago

brentwood

Never been in a primark in my life it’s below my pay grade

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over a year ago

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

You still don't get it !

50 people that had bad experiences in Primark fitting room against the hundreads of thousands that had a good experience.......the figures dont warrant changing anything

Millions still go to Primark.....FOR THE PRICES AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!!"

Never stepped foot in the place and never likely too. Is this brand akin to Lidl?

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By *heFabtasticsCouple
over a year ago

brentwood

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

You still don't get it !

50 people that had bad experiences in Primark fitting room against the hundreads of thousands that had a good experience.......the figures dont warrant changing anything

Millions still go to Primark.....FOR THE PRICES AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!!

Never stepped foot in the place and never likely too. Is this brand akin to Lidl?"

Yep

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over a year ago

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

You still don't get it !

50 people that had bad experiences in Primark fitting room against the hundreads of thousands that had a good experience.......the figures dont warrant changing anything

Millions still go to Primark.....FOR THE PRICES AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!!

Never stepped foot in the place and never likely too. Is this brand akin to Lidl?

Yep "

Then you pays for you get. I am surprised they have changing rooms!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the idea of it is a joke, never mind the reality

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over a year ago

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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago

Peterborough

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

You still don't get it !

50 people that had bad experiences in Primark fitting room against the hundreads of thousands that had a good experience.......the figures dont warrant changing anything

Millions still go to Primark.....FOR THE PRICES AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!!

Never stepped foot in the place and never likely too. Is this brand akin to Lidl?

Yep "

Nope,

LIDL pay their staff £10.90 an hour not Minimum wage and their food is on par with the other supermarkets.

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over a year ago

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

You still don't get it !

50 people that had bad experiences in Primark fitting room against the hundreads of thousands that had a good experience.......the figures dont warrant changing anything

Millions still go to Primark.....FOR THE PRICES AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!!

Exactly this, so what if you got sexually assaulted as primark, I had a great time so get over it!

(Sarcasm)"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm laughing here .......

They have rock bottom prices

If a BUSINESS can't ensure customers are SAFE....they will lose BUSINESS. Not rocket science is it?!

You still don't get it !

50 people that had bad experiences in Primark fitting room against the hundreads of thousands that had a good experience.......the figures dont warrant changing anything

Millions still go to Primark.....FOR THE PRICES AND VALUE FOR MONEY!!!

Never stepped foot in the place and never likely too. Is this brand akin to Lidl?

Yep

Then you pays for you get. I am surprised they have changing rooms!"

Absolutely. I mean if you shop at cheap places you deserve to have men peering in whilst you get changed, right.

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