FabSwingers.com forum: Legal question

By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

Maybe the wrong place to ask but worth a shot. My mum lives in a flat with communal gardens she was given permission to put a shed up as she used to do the garden for the flower in bloom competitions. A year ago next door asked if he could store his bike in there he put a lock on and said he would give her a key. We are still waiting for a key after asking numerous times .I need to get in the shed as she has some independent aids for the home as she is struggling to get about now after a stroke . The police told him to remove the lock he has ignored them and just said call the police again. I asked if I could break the lock the police said he could claim criminal damage could I remove the lock just by cutting around it leaving the lock in tack

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Is the shed your mum's?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m no legal expert but for clarity, did your Mum buy and put up the shed?

ie is it HER shed?

It sounds like she kindly allowed the neighbour to use her shed but now he’s annexed it and stopped her from accessing it?

I’d cut it off, and relock it with your own lock and tell him to store his bike in his own home!

But hey, that’s probably illegal!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe the wrong place to ask but worth a shot. My mum lives in a flat with communal gardens she was given permission to put a shed up as she used to do the garden for the flower in bloom competitions. A year ago next door asked if he could store his bike in there he put a lock on and said he would give her a key. We are still waiting for a key after asking numerous times .I need to get in the shed as she has some independent aids for the home as she is struggling to get about now after a stroke . The police told him to remove the lock he has ignored them and just said call the police again. I asked if I could break the lock the police said he could claim criminal damage could I remove the lock just by cutting around it leaving the lock in tack "

Yep go ahead give him his intact lock back! As long as you have all the paperwork to prove its her shed, video yourself/someone else doing the cutting to prove you're not touching his lock and he won't have a leg to stand on.

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"Is the shed your mum's?

I don't know if it's legal or not but if you cut round the lock leaving it intact then you haven't caused any criminal damage to his property. Maybe suggest this to him as a solution and see how quickly he finds a key for you "
Yes my mum paid for the shed I am sick of asking nicely I'm tempted to take the shed down around his stuff

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

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By *ad boy maverickMan
over a year ago

basildon

aving the lock in tack "

Can you prove your mum paid for the shed ? If yes the shed is your property. Lock is his don't damage his lock. Remove hasp n staple so he can retrieve his lock. ( what a scumbag)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is another thing …

U get done if u Chuck out other peoples stuff out

Like and ex partner who cheated on you . Or a lodger who doesn’t pay rent . Of a friend that seems want to move in for good etc etc .

If he has Items u or any other third parties cant remove it .

U need write a letter to the person say : u have 14 to 28 days ( up to you - that’s the time court likes to see and consider a “ reasonable time “

. to remove your items or they will be take to charity .

By law if he ignores this time line u gain the power to dispose of his belongings to a local charity .

I’m court they will respect n support your cause . Specially if he has a flat . Is not a homeless struggling or anything .

If u Chuck or leave at risk to theft u get done .or any third parties .

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By *hunky GentMan
over a year ago

Maldon and Peterborough

So long as you give him back to lock intact you are perfectly entitled to remove it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're mum has proof the shed his hers she is entitled to remove the lock empty the contents and even claim storage

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By *orkshireDrifterMan
over a year ago

Nafferton, nr Driffield.

Gather any evidence of ownership of the shed.

Serve a written notice of intent to remove the padlock by cutting it off, giving two weeks notice, keeping a copy and ensuring evidence that this has been served, either by witness or Recorded Delivery.

If he does not comply by the due date act as you had indicated and return his property the damaged lock and bicycle etc.

If he wants he can sue you for damage to the lock but that will fail. He probably won't know how anyway!

Replace his lock with one of your own but be aware that he may prove a bad neighbour in other ways.

Good luck. Problems with neighbours, especially bullies are most unpleasant.

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By *eandmrsjones69Couple
over a year ago

Middle England

As others have said so long as you can prove the shed is yours.

"Criminal damage occurs when someone unlawfully, and intentionally or recklessly, damages or destroys property belonging to another person."

Remove the lock without causing damage to it and you should be ok.

Best of luck!

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

Gather any evidence of ownership of the shed.

If he does not comply by the due date act as you had indicated and return his property the damaged lock and bicycle etc.

If he wants he can sue you for damage to the lock but that will fail. He probably won't know how anyway!

Replace his lock with one of your own but be aware that he may prove a bad neighbour in other ways.

Good luck. Problems with neighbours, especially bullies are most unpleasant."
he has been verbal told to remove the lock for the last year and my mother has written to him asking he just laughed and said he didn't even read it and threw it away the police told him to remove the lock a week ago

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex

Alternatively, simply cut the lock off and throw it away. Remove his bike, put a new lock on the shed then deny knowing anything about it. It’s her shed and can prove it. The onus is now on him to prove A: the bike was ever in the shed. B: that she’d ever given him permission to use the shed for his bike; C: he’d ever put a lock on the shed in the first place.

I seriously doubt he could or could be bothered to take action that would require so much effort on his part.

Having said all of that …maybe just post a letter special delivery ( to be signed for ) stating that you are giving him fair warning and has 7days to remove his bike or you will replace the lock.

Hope it helps.

*I can’t believe a site full of kinky pervs and not one lawyer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gather any evidence of ownership of the shed.

If he does not comply by the due date act as you had indicated and return his property the damaged lock and bicycle etc.

If he wants he can sue you for damage to the lock but that will fail. He probably won't know how anyway!

Replace his lock with one of your own but be aware that he may prove a bad neighbour in other ways.

Good luck. Problems with neighbours, especially bullies are most unpleasant. he has been verbal told to remove the lock for the last year and my mother has written to him asking he just laughed and said he didn't even read it and threw it away the police told him to remove the lock a week ago"

He sounds like a proper cu*t!

What a nasty piece of work he seems after your Mum was kind enough to let him use the shed!

Remove the lock. Fuck him!

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Rather than cut round the lock, get a locksmith to remove the lock. Then send him the bill, through a small claims court.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If u wasn’t so far I would do it for you …

Would be a pleasure to help …

Looks like u made friends with Mr . Rit P.Rick

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Technically if it's you own the shed and he's put a padlock it's your shed not his but if you agreed for them to put their padlock on they own the padlock but you own the shed so yes you can cut around so the padlock isn't damaged make sure you take either few pictures or even a video at the time in case later the guy says that you damaged it. Same rules apply to wheel clamping if you're able to remove without any damages nothing can be done

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"Rather than cut round the lock, get a locksmith to remove the lock. Then send him the bill, through a small claims court."
think I will just take the electric saw round remove it and record myself doing it to prove there's no damage to his lock x

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By *ig_eric_tionMan
over a year ago

IPSWICH

"Rather than cut round the lock, get a locksmith to remove the lock. Then send him the bill, through a small claims court. think I will just take the electric saw round remove it and record myself doing it to prove there's no damage to his lock x"

Just a suggestion. If you're going to cut anything cut the staple then you won't damage the lock or the shed. Simple fix afterwards too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cut his lock. Then put a lock around his bike. Leave the bolt cutters close.

Stalemate.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'd give him a deadline to get the bike gone. And including a date/time to meet to remove the lock. If he does remove it, it saves the effort of you doing it and means you can put your own lock on immediately. Be very thankful to him, for helping

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Remember doing this don't remove any of his property within the shed and put a padlock which you're entitled to as you own the shed and doing it you are acting to protect his property as well which is sensible then you hold all the cards as he'll need to make sensible contact with you so he can remove his items make sure you have any videos that shows as they are in case he tries to say you've damaged them

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Whilst it might be criminal damage if you cut his lock, given the circs, I think he'd have a hard time bringing charges. I can't imagine anyone at all being enthusiastic about prosecuting your mum and a lot of paperwork would probably end up getting mislaid.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Other options if you no longer need the shed take it down nothing he can do it's your property but remove the lock carefully because you've reported it to police so will be a log and leave his property outside with a note posted to his address also recorded as evidence

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

Put you own lock on the door and if there is space put a padlock through the hasp so he can't get into the shed.

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex

Give him 7days notice of intent to charge rent at £50pcm with 1month deposit and 1mnth up front.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put another lock and fittings on the shed so he can't get his own stuff out . Maybe even 2

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Give him 7days notice of intent to charge rent at £50pcm with 1month deposit and 1mnth up front. "

Is this a legal option or only a fancy idea ?

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Put you own lock on the door and if there is space put a padlock through the hasp so he can't get into the shed. "

Legally this can be done but not letting him have access to his property becomes catch 22 where it's not being unreasonable as you own the shed. Give him a taste of his own medicine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Court likes to see “ reasonable time “ tolerance

Google says court likes to see a letter from 14 to 28 days .

On day 15 u can donate his stuff to charity .

If he moans about u in court will be to late

As court now is on your side with this letter

No letter . He can hurt u in court .

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By *N4funCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

Try this

Draft a letter stating the muppet has 14 days to remove the lock and bike by noon, send it by sign/registered post.

Present a copy to the police and ask them to attend on the day, if he doesn't remove the lock by 1201 I would cut it off and leave the bike outside his property. Take pictures of the bike at the property with the police present.

Be hard faced with him

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex

"Put you own lock on the door and if there is space put a padlock through the hasp so he can't get into the shed.

Legally this can be done but not letting him have access to his property becomes catch 22 where it's not being unreasonable as you own the shed. Give him a taste of his own medicine

Remember, he is not letting her have access to her property too. Catch22 will force either one of two options… he’ll see sense and move his bike out of it. Or, he’ll cut her lock first. Thereby giving up any real legal argument he may have had against her.

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By *humper.Man
over a year ago

northumberland/scotland

Nothing a crowbar won't sort out. Could even use it to get the lock off

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex

"Give him 7days notice of intent to charge rent at £50pcm with 1month deposit and 1mnth up front.

Is this a legal option or only a fancy idea ? "

You can absolutely charge rent on anything you own. You can even charge obscene amounts if you so wish and don’t even need to give a post dated notice of intent.

If you do charge rent, you’d be expected to declarer it through your taxes of course.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Put you own lock on the door and if there is space put a padlock through the hasp so he can't get into the shed.

Legally this can be done but not letting him have access to his property becomes catch 22 where it's not being unreasonable as you own the shed. Give him a taste of his own medicine

Yes I understand but same time she agreed for him to put a padlock. At the time police were involved I wouldn't have even mentioned it and just someone has put a padlock on the shed and unable to get in and all of a sudden find a bike in the shed like he's took advantage or piss even without asking. Shame she doesn't live closer because I'd lock him in the shed

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By *aysOfOurLivesCouple
over a year ago

Essex

"Put you own lock on the door and if there is space put a padlock through the hasp so he can't get into the shed.

Legally this can be done but not letting him have access to his property becomes catch 22 where it's not being unreasonable as you own the shed. Give him a taste of his own medicine

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I’m with you tbh. There are a lot of great ideas which all seem very over engineered to me. Cut the lock, throw his bike out and lock him out. If he involves the police, who are they going to back? The elderly lady owner of the shed or the younger fitter guy claiming she let him put a lock on her shed, then cut it off again ?

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By *uliette500Woman
over a year ago

Hull

I'd put another lock on the door with a padlock and say you will only remove it when he opens his and removes his bike from your property.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Be such a shame if a freak gust of wind blew the shed door off and destroyed all his stuff,I mean these things happen all the time with freak weather incidents due to global warming and that.

If you get my meaning.

You know she'd got broken into and you have a crime reference number to prove it!

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Put you own lock on the door and if there is space put a padlock through the hasp so he can't get into the shed.

Legally this can be done but not letting him have access to his property becomes catch 22 where it's not being unreasonable as you own the shed. Give him a taste of his own medicine

I’m with you tbh. There are a lot of great ideas which all seem very over engineered to me. Cut the lock, throw his bike out and lock him out. If he involves the police, who are they going to back? The elderly lady owner of the shed or the younger fitter guy claiming she let him put a lock on her shed, then cut it off again ?"

Main part is which is very important, it's been reported to police had this not been done makes it difficult to prove anything. As you own the shed questions would be why have you put your bike in a shed you don't own. Be stiff. If their is no evidence it makes it difficult to prove if they haven't seen it from the beginning is all I'm saying on the subject

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By *uck-RogersMan
over a year ago

Tarka trail

If you are denied access to your shed. Deny him access to the shed also by super gluing his lock. Just get a cheap tube of super glue. Squirt it into the lock where you insert the key. It should render the keys useless. He may have to cut off the lock himself. If he damages your shed. Then he can be done for criminal damage.

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"If you are denied access to your shed. Deny him access to the shed also by super gluing his lock. Just get a cheap tube of super glue. Squirt it into the lock where you insert the key. It should render the keys useless. He may have to cut off the lock himself. If he damages your shed. Then he can be done for criminal damage. "
I am going to leave his lock and put my own on if I can't get in the shed then neither can he I will then tell him I will remove it when he removes his

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By *d59michelleTV/TS
over a year ago

walsall

"Nothing a crowbar won't sort out. Could even use it to get the lock off

And blame some burglars for it wasn't me honest guv

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you are denied access to your shed. Deny him access to the shed also by super gluing his lock. Just get a cheap tube of super glue. Squirt it into the lock where you insert the key. It should render the keys useless. He may have to cut off the lock himself. If he damages your shed. Then he can be done for criminal damage. I am going to leave his lock and put my own on if I can't get in the shed then neither can he I will then tell him I will remove it when he removes his "

Good for you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Other options if you no longer need the shed take it down nothing he can do it's your property but remove the lock carefully because you've reported it to police so will be a log and leave his property outside with a note posted to his address also recorded as evidence "

Yeah this!! I'd chainsaw off one side, get my stuff and just leave the shed wide open.

What an absolute prick.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"If you are denied access to your shed. Deny him access to the shed also by super gluing his lock. Just get a cheap tube of super glue. Squirt it into the lock where you insert the key. It should render the keys useless. He may have to cut off the lock himself. If he damages your shed. Then he can be done for criminal damage. I am going to leave his lock and put my own on if I can't get in the shed then neither can he I will then tell him I will remove it when he removes his "

Remember if he cuts your padlock or tries you have the right to report to police as you own the shed. Also you've asked him to remove his property and he needs to act on this so failing to do so you can remove this as their is no written agreement unlike house agreement

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

Give him his lock and his bike back, then fit your own lock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could you remove the lock/bolt thing without damaging his padlock?

Or find a like for like padlock and give him that after cutting it off.

Or you could put your own padlock on it so he can’t access it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I would burn the shed to the ground and leave no evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just don't tell him that it was you that cut the lock, then he'd have to prove it was you!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

She allowed him to put his bike in there.

If she removes the lock she may be held liable for it's theft.

Just send him a note saying...... Please provide a key for the lock in the next 10 days or we will have to remove it for access ourselves. We will not be held responsible for any losses you may incur.

Bear in mind I don't know if this is your mum's shed or a community shed or what but to be fair he shouldn't be denying people access.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Give him his lock and his bike back, then fit your own lock "

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By *ulldog_71Man
over a year ago

Sedgefield

Its not legal to cut the lock but it is legal to cut the hasp to remove it and then replace the hasp and put a new lock on

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Did she give him permission to put a lock on the shed? If not, then has he not committed criminal damage to her property by fitting it?

Also, am i reading this right...she hasnt gotten into the shed for a year??

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

"Give him his lock and his bike back, then fit your own lock "

He has the keys to the lock, so it means him to remove the lock or OP/mother.

There's also a risk that he could cause problems for the mother, He could remove the lock and she finds her stuff getting removed or damaged, later on. That's why I'd favour having him to remove them at a specific date and time, when your own replacement lock could be installed.

However, he could be as unresponsive as formerly, so the plan B, of removing his lock, without damage, whilst he knows that he is potentially not going to see his bike again.

Ideally, he gets enough leeway to get smart and to comply, in the generous amount of time he's given.

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

Still refusing so lock bought going to fit I will leave a note saying to contact me if he needs access to text me and I will get back to him within 48 hours if I'm not online I've probably been arrested lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Literally take off the clasps leaving lock intact and return the said lock to him with the bike and then put on a new lock is the legal thing to do! No repercussions

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

Cut off the lock put on your own lock and remove the bike.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id smash his bike with a sledge hammer for being a cunt about it fuck the coppers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Still refusing so lock bought going to fit I will leave a note saying to contact me if he needs access to text me and I will get back to him within 48 hours if I'm not online I've probably been arrested lol "

He's an absolute piece of X.

If she hasn't been able to use the shed for so long she must not need it. I'd rip it down and leave his stuff in the rain.

Good luck.

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By *inda May SimmonsTV/TS
over a year ago

hexham

He could claim criminal damage if you smash the lock off!

What I would do is buy a replacement lock the same as his, smash his lock off and replace it with a new lock of your own and lock his bike in the shed with your lock.

He will phone the police. When the police come you explain the on going situation.

You tell them you have a replacement lock to cover his damaged lock and give it to the police and you say to the guy if he wants his bike out he will need to ask you very nicely and you will give him it. If he doesn’t ask nicely, you charge him for the release of his bike.

If he threatens you with legal action tell him to bring it on!

My father and family have been in dispute with my father’s neighbour for over two years over her trying to steal land from my father… so far he has paid £20,000 in legal fees to get it resolved and we are no further forward toward a resolution.

If I had my time again I would have taken it into my own hands from the start.

The police only want to maintain the peace. They have no interest in civil disputes… they will always advise to see a soloicitor and follow the legal path … this costs thousands and thousands because the tories did away with legal aid and small claims courts !

I have become quite the expert but it is such a dangerous path if you take the law into your own hands !

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By *inda May SimmonsTV/TS
over a year ago

hexham

In fact… a quick amendment… it is wiser to inform the police beforehand what you intend to do.

Make sure you do it when he is not there to avoid any confrontation which may lead to a breech of the peace.

If you want message me privately and I will go through how to do it step by step.

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

I'm not trashing the lock I'm just putting one of mine on as well I need him to take the lock of so I can get my mum's bed guard and walker out I don't want her falling out of bed again x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What you could do is in the middle of the night paint all his house windows black

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"What you could do is in the middle of the night paint all his house windows black "
lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What you could do is in the middle of the night paint all his house windows black lol x"
he would freak out thinking the world blew up

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Remember you have every rights to have property removed which isn't yours given its only a shed without any written agreement, you can say that you are worried scared even, the police can play a part so things go smoothly and no crimes committed they can knock on his door on your behalf keeping things civil, remember this would also be logged as well as his behaviour. which can be helpful should anything else happen at later date. Point out that you need to gain access to the shed as well this becomes an obstruction refusing you access to what is yours is a criminal offence since it's only a shed but you own it. (Your rights to access) is what you have by law......

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"What you could do is in the middle of the night paint all his house windows black lol xhe would freak out thinking the world blew up"
I think I will do it without breaking the law lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What you could do is in the middle of the night paint all his house windows black lol xhe would freak out thinking the world blew up I think I will do it without breaking the law lol x"
thats not breaking the law its doing chores for the neighbours coppers ask just say he asked me to help paint his house just wasnt specific

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"What you could do is in the middle of the night paint all his house windows black lol xhe would freak out thinking the world blew up I think I will do it without breaking the law lol xthats not breaking the law its doing chores for the neighbours coppers ask just say he asked me to help paint his house just wasnt specific "
my sister has just seen him she told him I was coming to put a lock on his reply began with f and finished with of you carnt do that x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What you could do is in the middle of the night paint all his house windows black lol xhe would freak out thinking the world blew up I think I will do it without breaking the law lol xthats not breaking the law its doing chores for the neighbours coppers ask just say he asked me to help paint his house just wasnt specific my sister has just seen him she told him I was coming to put a lock on his reply began with f and finished with of you carnt do that x"

and he couldn’t see the irony!?!

The bloke sounds like a grade A prick!

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Whatever you do, do it through the eyes of a judge in case it gets to court. Avoid emotive and inflammatory language, stay courteous and polite. A judge will look for reasonable and fair escalation of the matter, i.e. verbal request, written request, final deadline etc. If the neighbour still refuses to comply then remove his lock without damaging it and present to him with his bicycle. Take photographs as a record.

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By *9alMan
over a year ago

Bridgend

if its a padlock I would just cut it & replace it with one of your own & post a spare key in your Nieboers letter box

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

I'd contact social services as they have more power than the police when it's regarding health care as you've mentioned you need items to assist your mother's needs and unable to gain entry due to circumstances being restricted access point out that you own the shed as it's a breach what he's doing

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

He has added another padlock overnight I have put one on took pictures to prove I haven't damaged his and got the next door neighbour to do the same left a letter on the shed and put one through their door witnessed again saying if they need access to leave me a message and I will get back to him in 48 hours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He has added another padlock overnight I have put one on took pictures to prove I haven't damaged his and got the next door neighbour to do the same left a letter on the shed and put one through their door witnessed again saying if they need access to leave me a message and I will get back to him in 48 hours "
cut the door off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cut it off, throw his shit away, the police will be a waste of time. I'd happily do it for you if I was closer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have all the paperwork from the landowners allowing the erection of the shed. Do you have proof of purchase of the shed?

If so then the neighbour has trespassed on to your mums property and you Havr the right in tort to remove the obstruction.

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can you put a third lock on the hasp and staple?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're going to need a bigger door.

But seriously, you're over thinking. Cut his locks off, remove his bike and keep it safe until he collects, and pay him for the damaged lock if he kicks off.

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

You're going to need a bigger door.

But seriously, you're over thinking. Cut his locks off, remove his bike and keep it safe until he collects, and pay him for the damaged lock if he kicks off. "
to late now I have put another lock on I will wait for an angry text now it's gotten out of hand all he needed to do was give her a key so she could into her own shed

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

You're going to need a bigger door.

But seriously, you're over thinking. Cut his locks off, remove his bike and keep it safe until he collects, and pay him for the damaged lock if he kicks off. to late now I have put another lock on I will wait for an angry text now it's gotten out of hand all he needed to do was give her a key so she could into her own shed "

You need to contact police because it shows he is being a nuisance and you have things within the shed that you need for your mother's needs they should take more serious action because you own the shed and he's looking for trouble if someone drove me down I'd happily assist

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

You're going to need a bigger door.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

You're going to need a bigger door.

Yes I understand but it's now updated by his actions so the police would see this

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over a year ago

york

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

You're going to need a bigger door.

Yes I understand but it's now updated by his actions so the police would see this "

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Technically your also allowed to force entry into your own property IE shed to gain access for something that you require further for medical aid for another which he's causing an obstruction for so smash the padlock can he prove anything it would be your word against his as a option

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're going to need a bigger door.

And his reaction to that was to add a second lock that's not been agreed to by your mum?

I think you should have just said you were removing the shed so he has 21 days to collect his property or you would be classing it as abandoned and disposing of it. That's generally the legal time frame for landlords stuck with stuff tenants leave behind (different situation I know but still). Guy has really cut his nose off to spite his face though hasn't he. I mean your poor mum was just doing him a favour

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Just call police give them an update on the situation his actions and where it's left you or more importantly your mother's needs and your concerns....

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

your not going to like this comment

once your mum allowed him to fit the lock he kinda gained full access rights to the shed.

what should have been done is you fit the lock and gave him a key.

but you also face the same rules as eviction so not worth the hassle

the police didnt have any right to tell him to remove his gear or remove the lock as they have no power on that matter.

sorry to say you have to go through the eviction side of it.

note breaking into the shed whilst he has the keys is also classed as breaking and entering as you dont have the keys to the shed.

its the same rules as houses and factory rentals.

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By *ister CMan
over a year ago

liverpool

"I’m no legal expert but for clarity, did your Mum buy and put up the shed?

ie is it HER shed?

It sounds like she kindly allowed the neighbour to use her shed but now he’s annexed it and stopped her from accessing it?

I’d cut it off, and relock it with your own lock and tell him to store his bike in his own home!

But hey, that’s probably illegal! "

Yes that's illegal.

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By *o scandalousWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Your mum got permission from people who own property for shed, and the guy only asked your mum?

Break the lock. Take his stuff out. Change the lock. He has no written proof of permission to put the stuff in, but your mum has written proof of permission for the shed.

Tell him to call the police. It’s not his shed. He has ‘no proof of permission’.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

your not going to like this comment

once your mum allowed him to fit the lock he kinda gained full access rights to the shed.

what should have been done is you fit the lock and gave him a key.

but you also face the same rules as eviction so not worth the hassle

the police didnt have any right to tell him to remove his gear or remove the lock as they have no power on that matter.

sorry to say you have to go through the eviction side of it.

note breaking into the shed whilst he has the keys is also classed as breaking and entering as you dont have the keys to the shed.

its the same rules as houses and factory rentals."

Part you misunderstand homes have an agreement a shed doesn't if someone puts a padlock on and is asked to remove they have to because they don't own the shed that's how the law is and given police had spoken to him to remove and failed to act it's being a nuisance and obstructive behaviour acting unreasonable he also does have permission to be on her property IE land regardless if he has items within the shed as he doesn't have permission to do so common law

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By *o scandalousWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

Or decide that you wish to move YOUR shed, and change it, so tell him he has to take his stuff out, then not do a blind thing and change the lock.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"to late now I have put another lock on I will wait for an angry text now it's gotten out of hand all he needed to do was give her a key so she could into her own shed "

I would advise you to remove that lock as it can backfire on you.

I know you dont like it or want to do but they can make a claim against you.

if you read my above post you may understand why.

he can easily claim full access to the shed over a long period of time.

You now face the same comment and he can literally cut your locks off without damaging them.

ive seen many claims against landlords that have tried change the locks without court action and theyve been made to pay out for losses.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

your not going to like this comment

once your mum allowed him to fit the lock he kinda gained full access rights to the shed.

what should have been done is you fit the lock and gave him a key.

but you also face the same rules as eviction so not worth the hassle

the police didnt have any right to tell him to remove his gear or remove the lock as they have no power on that matter.

sorry to say you have to go through the eviction side of it.

note breaking into the shed whilst he has the keys is also classed as breaking and entering as you dont have the keys to the shed.

its the same rules as houses and factory rentals.

Doesn't have permission I meant to be on her land regardless whatever he has in her shed without having permission to do so which it's been taken back

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"to late now I have put another lock on I will wait for an angry text now it's gotten out of hand all he needed to do was give her a key so she could into her own shed

I would advise you to remove that lock as it can backfire on you.

I know you dont like it or want to do but they can make a claim against you.

if you read my above post you may understand why.

he can easily claim full access to the shed over a long period of time.

You now face the same comment and he can literally cut your locks off without damaging them.

ive seen many claims against landlords that have tried change the locks without court action and theyve been made to pay out for losses."

It's a shed it doesn't come under same as a home or any other buildings which comes with paperwork and agreements conditions under the law pal

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By *o scandalousWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

If it were me, I’d be messaging him to tell him I am demolishing the shed to gain access to my things. Which I’d do, carefully, leaving his stuff in the elements. Get a small storage space for a while.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What people have to remember when giving you advice, is that your Mum still has to live next to this guy. Therefore, any advice should be given with that in mind.

As some have already said, I would add another lock to the shed, leaving his there undamaged. Immediately after, record yourself, a friend or a family member handing him a sealed letter. In the letter, I would state that as he has ignored all communication to provide a key for access to your Mum's shed, he has 21 days to reply in writing with a date and time that he wishes to meet outside the shed to remove his padlock and gain access to remove his bike. The date to be no more than 7 days after the 21. Therefore, a total of 28 days max from start to finish.

I would make it clear that after this date, if he has not contacted, his lock will be removed, he will no longer be offered storage in the shed and if he tries to stop access for the rightful owner, it will be dealt with immediately and you will not be responsible for any damage caused in the process to anything he may have used.

I hope it all goes well for you and your Mum. Awful situation to be in and very unnecessary for the neighbour to behave like this.

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By *urvytreatWoman
over a year ago

somewhere nice

If you can remove the lock without causing damage I would that, then replace with your own lock. Otherwise Lila mentioned above, write a letter, keep a photocopy of it, giving him x amount of days to remove his lock and his property or you’ll remove it for him and it will be left beside the shed for him to collect. If he doesn’t want that then you need to be given a key to the lock by that date

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're going to need a bigger door.

Serves me right for not reading every message on here. I didn't see this before doing my message to you. Sorry x

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Also when a person has been given advice to remove something by the police, failing to do so it's acting unreasonable so powers change as they had the opportunity and no claims Can be put forward against any damages as they don't own the shed the police would also advise you on this as steps were took in a civil way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"to late now I have put another lock on I will wait for an angry text now it's gotten out of hand all he needed to do was give her a key so she could into her own shed

I would advise you to remove that lock as it can backfire on you.

I know you dont like it or want to do but they can make a claim against you.

if you read my above post you may understand why.

he can easily claim full access to the shed over a long period of time.

You now face the same comment and he can literally cut your locks off without damaging them.

ive seen many claims against landlords that have tried change the locks without court action and theyve been made to pay out for losses."

He isn't OPs mums shed tenant. He's presumably not living in it, and she's not been charging him rent. They haven't had a written formal agreement for him to use the shed. They had a verbal agreement he could use it for storing his bike and providing her with a key as he added a lock. He's broken that verbal agreement by not giving her a key. So I'd imagine he's effectively tried to steal her shed by denying her access to her own property

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By *teve_it_aloneMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

"There is another thing …

U get done if u Chuck out other peoples stuff out

Like and ex partner who cheated on you . Or a lodger who doesn’t pay rent . Of a friend that seems want to move in for good etc etc .

If he has Items u or any other third parties cant remove it .

U need write a letter to the person say : u have 14 to 28 days ( up to you - that’s the time court likes to see and consider a “ reasonable time “

. to remove your items or they will be take to charity .

By law if he ignores this time line u gain the power to dispose of his belongings to a local charity .

I’m court they will respect n support your cause . Specially if he has a flat . Is not a homeless struggling or anything .

If u Chuck or leave at risk to theft u get done .or any third parties .

Came here to say pretty much this. The “criminal damage” advice from cops isn’t wrong, but it lacks nuance (understandably - they’re not there to give civil legal advice… sometimes they struggle to get the criminal law part right!!).

Ultimately if you’ve given fair notice of intent to remove it, you’re ok to damage it if that’s the only option. Some use recorded letters, etc. If you can get something in writing from the cops who attended and gave that advice to him, then that’s as good as anything. If they’re reluctant to commit that to paper - ask for a copy of the incident log (you have a right to access this under subject access rights with the data protection act). It will be redacted (minus his details) but should confirm that “advice was given” and why. By the time you get this the “fair notice” period is likely to have elapsed.

The other option is picking the lock. Most shed grade padlocks are pretty easy if you know how. You can get kits online (the shopping site named after a river) and there are countless videos showing you how.

As a non-emergency job, a locksmith probably wouldn’t cost that much either, but again you’d need proof of ownership of the shed before they’d do it (locksmiths are understandably reluctant to aid criminals in their efforts!).

The easiest option might be cutting round it, but that damages a perfectly good shed, introduces structural and weatherproofing weakness, and is a big label to casual crooks that the shed has been broken into (and may therefore have something worth stealing inside).

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By *ue and robCouple
over a year ago

ware

I would just bolt cropper it in the night if anything is said say its been broken into luckily nothing stolen

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"Part you misunderstand homes have an agreement a shed doesn't if someone puts a padlock on and is asked to remove they have to because they don't own the shed that's how the law is and given police had spoken to him to remove and failed to act it's being a nuisance and obstructive behaviour acting unreasonable he also does have permission to be on her property IE land regardless if he has items within the shed as he doesn't have permission to do so common law "

not all rental property is renewed every 6 months if they are on an ongoing contract therefore is no longer under contractual agreement.

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

Just unscrew the hinges. Take your stuff, reattach door. Job done

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"Just unscrew the hinges. Take your stuff, reattach door. Job done"
why should I do that when it's my mum's shed she got permission to put it up paid for it and paid to have it put up x

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

not all rental property is renewed every 6 months if they are on an ongoing contract therefore is no longer under contractual agreement.

We are discussing a shed this doesn't come under the same paperwork as a building which has further paperwork rates council tax and so on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not all rental property is renewed every 6 months if they are on an ongoing contract therefore is no longer under contractual agreement.

They're not renting him the shed. They were trying to do him a favour. He just turned out to be a dickhead

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

not all rental property is renewed every 6 months if they are on an ongoing contract therefore is no longer under contractual agreement.

They're not renting him the shed. They were trying to do him a favour. He just turned out to be a dickhead "

Give me strength I understand it's nearly Christmas

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lock it again with a 2nd lock. When he complains, advise him that he may no longer use the shed. Only unlock it after he’s done his one. Fight Twat with twat

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

Im still not getting this at all.

If you own the shed, and he fitted a lock to it without your permission, then you have every right to report him for criminal damage and remove it forcefully.

However, if you gave him persmission to fit the lock then thats different

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By *ue and robCouple
over a year ago

ware

"lock it again with a 2nd lock. When he complains, advise him that he may no longer use the shed. Only unlock it after he’s done his one. Fight Twat with twat "

That's a good idea

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Im still not getting this at all.

If you own the shed, and he fitted a lock to it without your permission, then you have every right to report him for criminal damage and remove it forcefully.

However, if you gave him persmission to fit the lock then thats different"

He had permission at beginning to put padlock even though he doesn't own the shed but some of the contents within which were allowed to be put inside now the owner wants all removed as he has not provided a key to the padlock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"lock it again with a 2nd lock. When he complains, advise him that he may no longer use the shed. Only unlock it after he’s done his one. Fight Twat with twat "

I see you did this , good on you. The second he damaged your lock, you’ve pretty much got permission to damage his. Petty but sometimes things get to that point. Shitty neighbours are shitty and I feel for you. But give one an inch, and you’ve seen the mile they’ll take.

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Best way forward contact police give them a update on the situation also his actions/behaviour using foul language. Police have certain powers which comes under public order able to give warnings or even a asbo and if his attitude is something else towards police they'll take appropriate actions. But causing a nuisance adding distress fear list goes on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

may be get some one else to cut off the lock and say thats how you found it ! and dont admit you had anything to do with it !

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

Also tell the police that you don't want him coming on to the land where your property is and if he says well his bike or whatever is in the shed the police could tell him then remove it whilst we wait. failing gives you further powers to act because you've acted by law and no claims Can be put against you

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By *ananaman41Man
over a year ago

Dublin

"Im still not getting this at all.

If you own the shed, and he fitted a lock to it without your permission, then you have every right to report him for criminal damage and remove it forcefully.

However, if you gave him persmission to fit the lock then thats different

Ah ok. I didnt read the part where he was given permission to fit the lock. I read it as just he was given permission to use the shed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Buy an identical padlock if you can. Replace the other and plead ignorance for why his key won't work

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

"Im still not getting this at all.

If you own the shed, and he fitted a lock to it without your permission, then you have every right to report him for criminal damage and remove it forcefully.

However, if you gave him persmission to fit the lock then thats different

Ah ok. I didnt read the part where he was given permission to fit the lock. I read it as just he was given permission to use the shed"

It's cool pal

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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago

Newcastle

If you also mention to the police that you no longer wish him to use your shed he has to act because then he would be breaking entry into something that belongs to you the moment police have given him this information it's enough for the police later to act making it an arrestable offence

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Good luck! You've been exceptional in your restraint. I've an elderly relative and fallen foul of someone near to them, who's as disruptive and thoughtless as they could be. It's shocking what he's been doing, since your relative so kindly helped him out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You ignored my comment earlier and there are easier ways than you have chosen ...

Just do what was said earlier then inform the police what you have done ...the advice was within the laws with immediate effect!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t know why but I’m strangely invested in this struggle. The OP has shown a lot more restraint than I ever would (far too much restraint possibly) but it needs to come to a head and be resolved quickly now.

I’d want this closed off and quickly. He needs to be brought down a peg or two.

It’s like a soap opera though and I’m keeping tuned for the latest installment!!

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don’t know why but I’m strangely invested in this struggle. The OP has shown a lot more restraint than I ever would (far too much restraint possibly) but it needs to come to a head and be resolved quickly now.

I’d want this closed off and quickly. He needs to be brought down a peg or two.

It’s like a soap opera though and I’m keeping tuned for the latest installment!! "

What if it not really his bike he's got locked in there...

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

"Im still not getting this at all.

If you own the shed, and he fitted a lock to it without your permission, then you have every right to report him for criminal damage and remove it forcefully.

However, if you gave him persmission to fit the lock then thats different

incorrect read the first post again

A year ago next door asked if he could store his bike in there he put a lock on and said he would give her a key.

no key was supplied

I need to get in the shed as she has some independent aids for the home as she is struggling.

im going to say this so beaware of this

since the shed was for this

flat with communal gardens she was given permission to put a shed up as she used to do the garden for the flower in bloom competitions

it is no longer for the intended purpose if the communial area says no to there fitting a shed for there back they can actively demand that that shed be removed as its no longer for the communial purpose and if they want it so they should provide one for everyone to use.

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

This is what id do though id take down the shed fully. Remove it off site leave the door with there locks on it.

and there gear off side then youve taken the whole shed back and he will have to find somewhere else to store his bike.

its referenced as a removal from the communial area as its no longer for the intended purpose.

The original granted permission to have the shed installed in the communial area.

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"Im still not getting this at all.

If you own the shed, and he fitted a lock to it without your permission, then you have every right to report him for criminal damage and remove it forcefully.

However, if you gave him persmission to fit the lock then thats different

incorrect read the first post again

A year ago next door asked if he could store his bike in there he put a lock on and said he would give her a key.

no key was supplied

I need to get in the shed as she has some independent aids for the home as she is struggling.

im going to say this so beaware of this

since the shed was for this

flat with communal gardens she was given permission to put a shed up as she used to do the garden for the flower in bloom competitions

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

" they are very welcome to remove the shed I intend to smash it up and remove it when his stuff is out "

Then this is easy. Cut a hole in the shed, remove your property and leave him to sort the rest out. You are not responsible for the security of his property.

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are you sure it’s a bike he’s storing?

Could be something illegal with a bike.

CAB are free legal advice so ask them. But I’d write to him asking him to remove the lock and bike as your mom needs it, within x days then remove the lock and replace with yours.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Put your own lock on the door its your shed then you control access

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Find out witch lock make it is

And model

And you tube lock picking lawyer with the model number or name

Or just model number and lock pick

You find most locks are a complete joke that’s including house locks a toddler could open most

And just pick it open

Here is lock picking lawyer channel

https://m.youtube.com/c/lockpickinglawyer

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By *sh paulCouple
over a year ago

DALKEITH

All these ppl saying you cant do this or that. Break the lock off. Whats he going to do about it? The lock is on your property. You think the police will give a crap about it.

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By *essie.Woman
over a year ago

Serendipity

Can’t whoever gave permission to put the shed up assist ? Wasn’t sure if it could be a council or Housing Association. They could mediate between both parties and write on your mum’s behalf to the guy who’s acting like a twat to say, you remove the bike and the lock within 14 days or it will be removed for him.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

What I would do is ask him nicely twice, then remove the section of the shed with his padlock on it and return it to him.

What Mr N would do is ask him once, then cut his padlock off and return it to him via his rectum. Probably covered in chilli sauce.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

^^ our lawyer says she's not sure if either option is legal but if you choose option two please film it

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"^^ our lawyer says she's not sure if either option is legal but if you choose option two please film it"
lol I am very tempted I have put a lock on if he needs to get in he will have to ring me for the key or break the lock of if he does I will call the police and report him for criminal damage he obviously has thrown the letter away without reading it so probably won't notice till 6 in the morning when he needs the bike for work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"^^ our lawyer says she's not sure if either option is legal but if you choose option two please film it lol I am very tempted I have put a lock on if he needs to get in he will have to ring me for the key or break the lock of if he does I will call the police and report him for criminal damage he obviously has thrown the letter away without reading it so probably won't notice till 6 in the morning when he needs the bike for work"

Well you did state you'd respond within 48hrs... So I'm presuming you'll get back to him on late Wednesday evening after his meltdown tomorrow? I mean I'd probably find the free time to pop round to unlock it by the Saturday if it was me

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

It's ridiculous that it's even got to this stage. People can be so unreasonable

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

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Yes I've got a very busy week planned lol yes it does seem childish on my part but now I'm like a dog with a bone x

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By *antra MassageMan
over a year ago

South Side.

You have very patient local police force.!!

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By *tarbeck OP Couple
over a year ago

york

"You have very patient local police force.!! "
extremely it would seem

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By *ig1gaz1Man
over a year ago

bradford

" they are very welcome to remove the shed I intend to smash it up and remove it when his stuff is out

Then this is easy. Cut a hole in the shed, remove your property and leave him to sort the rest out. You are not responsible for the security of his property.

Gbat "

Its not as easy as you may think.

the owner is still liable for the removal of the shed unless she hands it over to the communial gardens.

the original owner was given permission for it to be sited as she provided a service to the gardens by growing her flowers there.

she used to do the garden for the flower in bloom competitions

this provided enjoyment to others whilst they was growing them making the area much nicer.

whilst the original agreement still stands its no longer is a viable option.

that means its down to removal of the shed by the original agreement of the communial gardens.

he cant argue it as you are only following the original agreement for the shed to be installed on communial grounds.

if he cuts up funny which he will you have every right to hand over video evidence to the communial association of how nasty he has been.

this then blocks them installing a shed as it will be for his conveniance and no one elses hes already proven that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are you sure it’s a bike he’s storing?

Could be something illegal with a bike.

CAB are free legal advice so ask them. But I’d write to him asking him to remove the lock and bike as your mom needs it, within x days then remove the lock and replace with yours. "

I've wondered this too. He could have anything in there.

I'd also be concerned that the OP's mum's property was long gone.