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"There can be. When it comes to misogyny, I've definitely seen it around but mostly from people who are here for what they believe is easy sex from easy women. However, I have witnessed far more racism, transphobia and biphobia. " Oh I don't know. The sheer volume of single guys who openly state they'd never consider a relationship with a woman they met on Fab, as well as those that would never allow a partner to swing if they ceased to be single........... Could be viewed as just double standards of course but there are clearly many on here with an exceptionally low opinion of the female population of Fab, evidenced daily by forum posts and message content. I'd say misogyny has been consistently prevalent in the 14 years I've been here. A | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry." I perceive more misandry tbh ... sad | |||
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"Depending who you talk to there’s misogyny everywhere Holding the door open, looking at someone, literally existing as a man. All misogynistic " Literally existing as a man? Calm down, dear. Mrs TMN | |||
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"Q: is there a thin veneer of respect in the swinging community? " If a person doesn't have respect for themselves regardless of here or in the real world then they have nothing tbh , respect is to me top priority, respect first sex after , what's the point of having sex if you don't respect yourself ? | |||
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"Q: is there a thin veneer of respect in the swinging community? " I can only speak from my own experience, but rather like life in general, it varies. Not very exciting for a thread discussion, sorry! Mrs TMN x | |||
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"Depending who you talk to there’s misogyny everywhere Holding the door open, looking at someone, literally existing as a man. All misogynistic " It happens all frequently  | |||
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"Depending who you talk to there’s misogyny everywhere Holding the door open, looking at someone, literally existing as a man. All misogynistic Literally existing as a man? Calm down, dear. Mrs TMN " But you agree with the other 2?  makes sense | |||
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"Depending who you talk to there’s misogyny everywhere Holding the door open, looking at someone, literally existing as a man. All misogynistic Literally existing as a man? Calm down, dear. Mrs TMN But you agree with the other 2? makes sense "I didn't say that, and you know it. I was highlighting the one which was the most ludicrous. Have a nice day now. | |||
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"Of course not. Now drop yer knickers and get me a cup of tea, luv "They'll trip | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry." Really? Than misogyny?! | |||
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"I think there's a good dose of 'know your place' on fab If you toe the invisible line and stay docile you'll fly fine Otherwise you'll upset those that consider themselves an authority figure And yes, there's a few incels, a few bully's masquerading as queens of meets or Doms or similar, a few pseudo-intellectuals who look down on the masses, a few reactionary trigger happy wooden spoon carriers.... No group escapes the crosshairs really, seems they cycle through every gender, body part, sexual preference... Just your standard slice of life "Agreed. | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry." | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?!" There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?!" I have definitely ... in the forums not necessarily on fab as a whole | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry." Definitely | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones "My opinion is, if you think it’s bad for men on fab, fair, but imo the misogyny is far worse and its not even close. In the forums (which was mentioned) but also in the DMs And chatrooms too. | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! I have definitely ... in the forums not necessarily on fab as a whole " I see way more misogyny. In fact I see scary but equally unsurprising amounts. Not to dispute experience, I also rarely see misandry. | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones
My opinion is, if you think it’s bad for men on fab, fair, but imo the misogyny is far worse and its not even close. In the forums (which was mentioned) but also in the DMs And chatrooms too. "I guess it’s subjective isn’t it, I see a lot of both to be fair. Some crappy attitudes to women from some men, and some crappy attitudes to men from some women. Not all men, not all women. Can’t comment on the DM’s or chat rooms, I don’t see any of that. | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones
My opinion is, if you think it’s bad for men on fab, fair, but imo the misogyny is far worse and its not even close. In the forums (which was mentioned) but also in the DMs And chatrooms too.
I guess it’s subjective isn’t it, I see a lot of both to be fair. Some crappy attitudes to women from some men, and some crappy attitudes to men from some women. Not all men, not all women.
Can’t comment on the DM’s or chat rooms, I don’t see any of that. "I agree with you Dan | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! I have definitely ... in the forums not necessarily on fab as a whole I see way more misogyny. In fact I see scary but equally unsurprising amounts. Not to dispute experience, I also rarely see misandry. " I'm only commenting on the forums ... men get hammered way more than any female! In fab in general then it's misogyny all the way! | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! I have definitely ... in the forums not necessarily on fab as a whole I see way more misogyny. In fact I see scary but equally unsurprising amounts. Not to dispute experience, I also rarely see misandry. I'm only commenting on the forums ... men get hammered way more than any female! In fab in general then it's misogyny all the way! " I suppose fab and in the swinging community it’s clearer that misogyny is the issue. To go back to the OP. | |||
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"In the forums I’d say it was the other way round. Misandry thrives and ALL men are bastards. Every single one of them "I hope all men don’t feel this way | |||
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" I'm only commenting on the forums ... men get hammered way more than any female! In fab in general then it's misogyny all the way! " Is it misandry or women challenging (often questionable) men's views? | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones
My opinion is, if you think it’s bad for men on fab, fair, but imo the misogyny is far worse and its not even close. In the forums (which was mentioned) but also in the DMs And chatrooms too.
I guess it’s subjective isn’t it, I see a lot of both to be fair. Some crappy attitudes to women from some men, and some crappy attitudes to men from some women. Not all men, not all women.
Can’t comment on the DM’s or chat rooms, I don’t see any of that. "It’s fair. Agree to disagree. The way people talk about women, and to women even on just the forums. That’s not even including some of the attitudes we see to women that enjoy sex. I think men get a lot of stick on the forums for the actions of some men but I think women get sick on here for being women and for being women that openly enjoy sex. | |||
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"In the forums I’d say it was the other way round. Misandry thrives and ALL men are bastards. Every single one of them "This isn’t at your Rex just a thought that’s your comment triggered. I think the not all men stuff I see from some guys on the forums is also actually a way of silencing women that highlight and talk on misogyny. | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! I have definitely ... in the forums not necessarily on fab as a whole I see way more misogyny. In fact I see scary but equally unsurprising amounts. Not to dispute experience, I also rarely see misandry. " As others have said you see what you are looking for. Misandry is a major part of this site. It is often enabled by many people, often but not always men who have a blinkered perception that all women are victims and therefore have a reason or excuse for their own shitty behaviour. Misogyny is undeniable but to pretend that it is any worse than misandry is a sad indictment of society as a whole and this site specifically. | |||
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" I'm only commenting on the forums ... men get hammered way more than any female! In fab in general then it's misogyny all the way! Is it misandry or women challenging (often questionable) men's views?" Some women believe that men aren't entitled to views. | |||
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"In the forums I’d say it was the other way round. Misandry thrives and ALL men are bastards. Every single one of them
This isn’t at your Rex just a thought that’s your comment triggered.
I think the not all men stuff I see from some guys on the forums is also actually a way of silencing women that highlight and talk on misogyny. "Come on Steve, you really can’t see any double standards on here? How cheating men are flamed, but cheating women (mostly) get a free pass? A guy asking for Fabs on a picture is lambasted, a woman asking for them is encouraged. A woman complaining about shitty treatment on here is given shoulders to cry on, a man complaining about shitty treatment on here is told what do you expect, forget about it and move on. So much of it, now I’m not saying there aren’t a load of absolutely misogynistic arses on here (there are) but let’s not pretend it’s a one-way street and pretend any accusation of misandry is just misogynists trying to play the victim.. | |||
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" I'm only commenting on the forums ... men get hammered way more than any female! In fab in general then it's misogyny all the way! Is it misandry or women challenging (often questionable) men's views?" Nope it's simple misandry ... you could excuse some misogyny by saying it's just men challenging women's views otherwise Misandry now is more common place in life and inexcusable, we can hide behind the well we can say that now after 100s of years of misogyny but nope, why lower ourselves to their level! People are people regardless and treat as we, ourselves, want to be treated. Just because one man in our lives has, metaphorically, beaten us up doesn't make all men bad and likewise in reverse. We cannot expect equality until everyone treats each other as equals! | |||
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"Looks back into thread... Sees that thread has turned from discussion of misogyny into assertions of misandry by multiple posters... Righto. " The beauty of open discussion! Can bring it back to the original point ... | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! I have definitely ... in the forums not necessarily on fab as a whole I see way more misogyny. In fact I see scary but equally unsurprising amounts. Not to dispute experience, I also rarely see misandry. As others have said you see what you are looking for. Misandry is a major part of this site. It is often enabled by many people, often but not always men who have a blinkered perception that all women are victims and therefore have a reason or excuse for their own shitty behaviour. Misogyny is undeniable but to pretend that it is any worse than misandry is a sad indictment of society as a whole and this site specifically." Tbf that’s not what I or anyone had actually said- that misogyny is worse in the swinging community and in the forums. But I do think misogyny is worse than misandry mostly because of the way that it reinforces and reproduce dominant social relations in society. And because it offend results in vawg. Anyway I see it, not because I see women as victims, lots if the time I think misogyny goes unchecked on here because actually women don’t victimise themselves but that doesn’t make it any less present. | |||
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"In the forums I’d say it was the other way round. Misandry thrives and ALL men are bastards. Every single one of them
This isn’t at your Rex just a thought that’s your comment triggered.
I think the not all men stuff I see from some guys on the forums is also actually a way of silencing women that highlight and talk on misogyny.
Come on Steve, you really can’t see any double standards on here?
How cheating men are flamed, but cheating women (mostly) get a free pass?
A guy asking for Fabs on a picture is lambasted, a woman asking for them is encouraged.
A woman complaining about shitty treatment on here is given shoulders to cry on, a man complaining about shitty treatment on here is told what do you expect, forget about it and move on.
So much of it, now I’m not saying there aren’t a load of absolutely misogynistic arses on here (there are) but let’s not pretend it’s a one-way street and pretend any accusation of misandry is just misogynists trying to play the victim.. " | |||
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"In the forums I’d say it was the other way round. Misandry thrives and ALL men are bastards. Every single one of them
This isn’t at your Rex just a thought that’s your comment triggered.
I think the not all men stuff I see from some guys on the forums is also actually a way of silencing women that highlight and talk on misogyny.
Come on Steve, you really can’t see any double standards on here?
How cheating men are flamed, but cheating women (mostly) get a free pass?
A guy asking for Fabs on a picture is lambasted, a woman asking for them is encouraged.
A woman complaining about shitty treatment on here is given shoulders to cry on, a man complaining about shitty treatment on here is told what do you expect, forget about it and move on.
So much of it, now I’m not saying there aren’t a load of absolutely misogynistic arses on here (there are) but let’s not pretend it’s a one-way street and pretend any accusation of misandry is just misogynists trying to play the victim.. "Dan, bro, I’m not doing that at all. I literally said that the ‘not all men’ kinda stuff I see on here is ‘some’ men silencing women that call out misogyny. And that’s a point I absolutely stand by. And it doesn’t, imo, imply what your reply says I’m implying. | |||
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" So much of it, now I’m not saying there aren’t a load of absolutely misogynistic arses on here (there are) but let’s not pretend it’s a one-way street and pretend any accusation of misandry is just misogynists trying to play the victim.. " It's definitely not a one way street but I have to agree with what Steve said. There's a hell of a lot of victim playing and a tendency for some to leap to the aid and support of those being accused of the slightest bit of misogyny. The anti-female comments aren't even subtle and no attempt is made to hide them in any way. The worst cases of misandry I've seen over the years aren't from women but from couples, often from the males in couples. Maybe this is a perceived superiority thing on their part or just frustration at the behaviour and actions of a minority, but any negative comments or posts regarding men are definitely more prevalent in the words typed by couples than single women. Maybe that's why misandry is seen as less common than misogyny - because it's men hating on other men? I still stand by my comments though that across the board from forum posts to PM's, status updates to profile text, chat room discussions to behaviour in clubs......misogyny is far more overt and frequent than misandry. Other views may of course differ. A | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! I have definitely ... in the forums not necessarily on fab as a whole I see way more misogyny. In fact I see scary but equally unsurprising amounts. Not to dispute experience, I also rarely see misandry. As others have said you see what you are looking for. Misandry is a major part of this site. It is often enabled by many people, often but not always men who have a blinkered perception that all women are victims and therefore have a reason or excuse for their own shitty behaviour. Misogyny is undeniable but to pretend that it is any worse than misandry is a sad indictment of society as a whole and this site specifically. Tbf that’s not what I or anyone had actually said- we said that misogyny is worse in the swinging community and in the forums. But I do think misogyny is worse than misandry mostly because of the way that it reinforces and reproduces dominant social relations in society. And because it often results in vawg. Anyway I see it, not because I see women as victims, lots of the time I think misogyny goes unchecked on here because actually women don’t victimise themselves but that doesn’t make it any less present. " *** | |||
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"In the forums I’d say it was the other way round. Misandry thrives and ALL men are bastards. Every single one of them
This isn’t at your Rex just a thought that’s your comment triggered.
I think the not all men stuff I see from some guys on the forums is also actually a way of silencing women that highlight and talk on misogyny.
Come on Steve, you really can’t see any double standards on here?
How cheating men are flamed, but cheating women (mostly) get a free pass?
A guy asking for Fabs on a picture is lambasted, a woman asking for them is encouraged.
A woman complaining about shitty treatment on here is given shoulders to cry on, a man complaining about shitty treatment on here is told what do you expect, forget about it and move on.
So much of it, now I’m not saying there aren’t a load of absolutely misogynistic arses on here (there are) but let’s not pretend it’s a one-way street and pretend any accusation of misandry is just misogynists trying to play the victim..
Dan, bro, I’m not doing that at all. I literally said that the ‘not all men’ kinda stuff I see on here is ‘some’ men silencing women that call out misogyny. And that’s a point I absolutely stand by. And it doesn’t, imo, imply what your reply says I’m implying. "Fair enough Steve if you were replying specifically to Rex’s post, I’ll retract | |||
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" Nope it's simple misandry ... you could excuse some misogyny by saying it's just men challenging women's views otherwise " I was more referring to the men who it's clear view women as nothing more than a receptacle to be filled when it comes to sex; the ones who freely share pics of some woman from a single guys profile for other men to wank themselves into a frenzy over what they'd do to her; the men who want to set their unsuspecting other halves up to be approached by horned up men when out and about...and so on. Nobody can say men are falling foul of that at the hands of women | |||
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" Nope it's simple misandry ... you could excuse some misogyny by saying it's just men challenging women's views otherwise I was more referring to the men who it's clear view women as nothing more than a receptacle to be filled when it comes to sex; the ones who freely share pics of some woman from a single guys profile for other men to wank themselves into a frenzy over what they'd do to her; the men who want to set their unsuspecting other halves up to be approached by horned up men when out and about...and so on. Nobody can say men are falling foul of that at the hands of women " Totally agree with this ^^^ and fab in general away from the forums is absolutely misogynistic! Just referring to the threads on how men are treating in the forums is abysmal! Literally if a woman says or does it it's ok but low and behold if a man says or does the same thing ... etc | |||
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"Q: is there a thin veneer of respect in the swinging community? " You ask about misogyny and then respect..... Which is it you are asking about ? Labels are used too often to describe behaviours that don't belong under that label ...... Those that lack respect for others are not necessarily misogynists or misandrists. | |||
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"Quick read of the thread makes me think most don’t actually know what misogyny is "Or misandry. | |||
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"Quick read of the thread makes me think most don’t actually know what misogyny is "I must admit I was guilty of wavering off topic and definition earlier in the heat of the debate!  and I knew it as soon as I posted! | |||
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"Quick read of the thread makes me think most don’t actually know what misogyny is "I suspect some will easily confuse chauvinism with misogyny, but I also believe that most will understand the definition. I haven't seen any evidence of a lack of knowledge on this thread. Can you point it out? 
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"Quick read of the thread makes me think most don’t actually know what misogyny is
I must admit I was guilty of wavering off topic and definition earlier in the heat of the debate! and I knew it as soon as I posted! "It happens I think over the last 2 years it got “cool” to call out misogyny. And it is cool to do that. But people started calling out everything as misogyny. Then the word lost its meaning. I’ve seen people suggest your a misogynist if you don’t give up your seat to a woman on the bus. Misogyny/ misandry is very rarely one action or sentence. | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones "It doesn't win you points with the social justice warrior crew, so its either ignored, classed as not important or just doesn't even register on the radar of some as being an issue- they're just focussed on looking for issues for a few select groups that give them a warm fuzzy feeling and back slaps from their clique...yet blatantly show double standards when it comes to comments on the male population as we're apparently responsible for all the worlds problems | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones
It doesn't win you points with the social justice warrior crew, so its either ignored, classed as not important or just doesn't even register on the radar of some as being an issue- they're just focussed on looking for issues for a few select groups that give them a warm fuzzy feeling and back slaps from their clique...yet blatantly show double standards when it comes to comments on the male population as we're apparently responsible for all the worlds problems
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones
It doesn't win you points with the social justice warrior crew, so its either ignored, classed as not important or just doesn't even register on the radar of some as being an issue- they're just focussed on looking for issues for a few select groups that give them a warm fuzzy feeling and back slaps from their clique...yet blatantly show double standards when it comes to comments on the male population as we're apparently responsible for all the worlds problems
I think you just won fab forum bingo. "
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry. Really? Than misogyny?! There’s lots of it tbf, I guess like most things you see more of it if you look for it. Single guys are often treated awfully on here, particularly the non-forum famous ones
It doesn't win you points with the social justice warrior crew, so its either ignored, classed as not important or just doesn't even register on the radar of some as being an issue- they're just focussed on looking for issues for a few select groups that give them a warm fuzzy feeling and back slaps from their clique...yet blatantly show double standards when it comes to comments on the male population as we're apparently responsible for all the worlds problems
"That victim mentality that was mentioned before............ You do realise it's perfectly possible for people to recognise both misogyny and misandry when they're displayed? It's not a case of one being visible in huge bright neon whilst the other is written in invisible ink in microscopic letters visible only to the hubble telescope? One of the dominant charachter traits identified by psychologists when dealing with mysoginists is the behaviour of blaming others (particularly women but also those that support them) for their self perceived issues, inadequacies and lack of success in relationships. Chucking the 'we're apparently responsible for all the worlds problems' line out there could be seen as a massive red flag. Do you really think anyone actually believes that?
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"So we don't currently have a thread running about 'should the world be ruled by men over 60?'- pretty much tarring all males over 60 with the same brush...or if you wish, comparing Putin to David Attenborough, who both fall in to that group. Do you think that wouldn't have been ripped to shreds if it was asking the same thing about various other groups? "The person who posted that was a man and he made no implication that the world being ruled by men over 60 was a good or bad thing, he just asked the question. Personally I don't think it should. Not because there's anything wrong with men or people over 60, just that the world should not be run by only one small demographic. There should be broader representation. That isn't misandry. | |||
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"So we don't currently have a thread running about 'should the world be ruled by men over 60?'- pretty much tarring all males over 60 with the same brush...or if you wish, comparing Putin to David Attenborough, who both fall in to that group. Do you think that wouldn't have been ripped to shreds if it was asking the same thing about various other groups? "A thread asking if the world should be ruled by women over 60 would be highly hypothetical. I can't currently think of a single woman over 60 who is the head of state/elected head of government. There's a couple of women UNDER 60, but that's it. It wouldn't function as a thread. That's the difference there. | |||
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"So we don't currently have a thread running about 'should the world be ruled by men over 60?'- pretty much tarring all males over 60 with the same brush...or if you wish, comparing Putin to David Attenborough, who both fall in to that group. Do you think that wouldn't have been ripped to shreds if it was asking the same thing about various other groups?
A thread asking if the world should be ruled by women over 60 would be highly hypothetical. I can't currently think of a single woman over 60 who is the head of state/elected head of government. There's a couple of women UNDER 60, but that's it.
It wouldn't function as a thread. That's the difference there. "Queen Margrette of Denmark 
I actually can't think of any European heads of government over 60 atm ? There's at least six elected women leaders though. | |||
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"So we don't currently have a thread running about 'should the world be ruled by men over 60?'- pretty much tarring all males over 60 with the same brush...or if you wish, comparing Putin to David Attenborough, who both fall in to that group. Do you think that wouldn't have been ripped to shreds if it was asking the same thing about various other groups?
A thread asking if the world should be ruled by women over 60 would be highly hypothetical. I can't currently think of a single woman over 60 who is the head of state/elected head of government. There's a couple of women UNDER 60, but that's it.
It wouldn't function as a thread. That's the difference there.
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I actually can't think of any European heads of government over 60 atm ? There's at least six elected women leaders though."I'd overlooked HM of Denmark! Six! Goodness me. Didn't we do well?! 
But the six are not over 60.....
I propose a different question: "should the world be ruled by women under 60?"
I say "yes".
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there’s clearly very little respect from the majority on this site, which is a shame because it then ruins the experience for the actually ‘genuine’ people. | |||
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"Within the forums I have witnessed equally as much if not more misandry." Absolutely | |||
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