FabSwingers.com forum: Older guys are better because…

By *olacola OP Man
over a year ago

lincoln

Older guys are better because….

Over to you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

… I made my mistakes already, everything from now on is intentional

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

We've done everything...and want to do it again ...slower ..savouring every moment

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

They know what they want and how to get it? Or is that just older women?

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

...... Waiting for them to be better.. to be continued

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

They've usually paid their mortgage off.

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

"They know what they want and how to get it? Or is that just older women?

Definitely just an older woman thing!

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By *elaninMaverickWoman
over a year ago

near Putney Heath

"Older guys are better because….

Over to you"

Um....more creative and confident in bed? My experience... however I've not done the cougar thing so.....

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

We are funnier and are better teasers...and we have packets of wurthers originals

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By *o scandalousWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

They can hold a conversation.

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

We can cook. Some of us bake cake.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"We can cook. Some of us bake cake.

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and work Washing machines..and we're tidier

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"We can cook. Some of us bake cake.

and work Washing machines..and we're tidier

And dishwashers - the machines - but we also know how to do the washing up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We can cook. Some of us bake cake.

I always joke I'd keep one of my partners around just for his cooking. I'm the Baker, he's the chef so we do pull off some pretty good dinner parties in his own house, which is kept clean... all benefits of a mature gentleman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They last longer!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They don’t feel the need to go around telling ever Tom dick and Harry that we had sex

They can keep it to them selfs and I am not going to get painted as the town bike

So the sex will continue and I will be his bike when ever they want

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By * la carteCouple
over a year ago

Dublin

"We can cook. Some of us bake cake.

and work Washing machines..and we're tidier

And dishwashers - the machines - but we also know how to do the washing up."

Now if you can do some plumbing, electrical work, bit of carpentry, can represent me in court, do my yearly dental check-up, make sure my accounts don't run low...we can talk about that gynecological exam

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"We can cook. Some of us bake cake.

and work Washing machines..and we're tidier

And dishwashers - the machines - but we also know how to do the washing up.

You want us to understand the female body too?

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

Let's get to the real reason haha

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By *eeds fun guyMan
over a year ago

yorkshire

"They last longer!

They do and re load multiple times lol

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By *enelope2UWoman
over a year ago

Fife

"We are funnier and are better teasers...and we have packets of wurthers originals

Do they do that here in the UK thought that was just an old USA rich granny thing poor grannies had peppermint

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By *r lotharioMan
over a year ago

newcastle-under-lyme

what a pile 'o' crap this thread has turned out to be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

TBH .. I married someone 20 years older than me. I just love the chivalry and the respect of being a woman ment. Now I don't know if it's different 20 years ago in the UK. I just love how he puts me on a pedestal for being a woman not his equal.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"TBH .. I married someone 20 years older than me. I just love the chivalry and the respect of being a woman ment. Now I don't know if it's different 20 years ago in the UK. I just love how he puts me on a pedestal for being a woman not his equal."

He's got a spikey hair cut

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He's got a spikey hair cut "
naw military high and tight

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

He's got a spikey hair cut naw military high and tight

Always tasting good too girls love pineapple

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By *torm in a G cupWoman
over a year ago

Land of the Long White Cloud

"We've done everything...and want to do it again ...slower ..savouring every moment

This is why I prefer older guys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly

It's what we do as older guys and we love doing it. 18 years between us and I drop everything just to let her know she matters, and to hell what world thinks. It's not about equality, it's about equity, appreciation, and above all else letting her know my world revolves around her, and she's center stage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly

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we both center stage fuck everyone else. As long as you both agree .. no offense fuck em. He loves me I have to admit he old school. I don't need someone else telling me that we need to b we equal . He is retired military I am X military with a college degree I am the the money maker. When it applied back then 20 years ago did it matter? Nope. Now a days it's either sugar daddy or sugar momma.

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By *moothshaftMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"They last longer!

Hmmmmm.....I wouldn't put any money on that!! I'm shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can I just say .. on a American standard.. you older gentlemen are a dying breed. I can't judge the "UK " perception but my girlfriends in the US are literally 15 to 20 years apart. This is just my and their standards . So I say be the gentleman .. open doors.. protect their values even if you disagree. Be strong and faithful. Put the woman you love on pedestal. If you can't be stupid and dance in a kitchen to some music . What is your life about but chasing financial goals. I guarantee I can dance to more music and memories than any momentary values.

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

I think he probably appreciate having younger woman always in his life. My friend experiences the same with her much older hubby. But for me, I need to share similar mindset and interests. I don't find that with someone much older, prefer similar age or younger as I'm very young at heart.obviously, there's exception to every rule but I yet to find it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fair point I just had bad experiences with men closer to my age. I just prefer the old school chivalry. The romantic sweep me off my feet aspects. Not hey we are equal you wanna fuck attitude.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We’ve practiced for years, can you imagine how good we’ve gotten at things by our age?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They fall asleep earlier.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They fall asleep earlier. "

Normaly out of boredom

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

We understand women much better

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By *ilverjagMan
over a year ago

swansea

Because we know how to treat a lady in and out of the bedroom, remembering favourite fragrance, prefered taste in wine, favourite flowers, opening the car door, to name but a few, and that's because we are all dinosaurs from the era when hardware was something that you got at the iron mongers, and the only software around was located between old men's legs before viagara was invented for those who need it, when it was also hip for a guy to take a lady out who had gone to a bit of effort to look her best for the occasion, and not expect her to have a pocket calculator in her handbag to work out her share of the tab.

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By *ermite12ukMan
over a year ago

Solihull and Brentwood

More interested in their partners needs, as opposed to their own.

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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago

Fabville

Their voices have broken.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Have more money lol

Nah....They are just dirty old men..see pics and veris for proof

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Their voices have broken."

Amongs other things.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

"They handle rejection with diplomacy"

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

""They handle rejection with diplomacy""

Not all the time.

There is a person here that says he is over 60 but profile age says 56 and is vile.

Told him we might consider meeting him and when we told him we had jobs,family etc and cant meet at short notice called us timewasters and fakes etc.

We didnt block him and hopes he enjoys seeing our fake timewasting pics whenever he looks at our profile. Lol.

He also sends us more messages asking to meet as if he forgot about the rude message he sent. We just leave him on unread messages.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""They handle rejection with diplomacy"

Not all the time.

There is a person here that says he is over 60 but profile age says 56 and is vile.

Told him we might consider meeting him and when we told him we had jobs,family etc and cant meet at short notice called us timewasters and fakes etc.

We didnt block him and hopes he enjoys seeing our fake timewasting pics whenever he looks at our profile. Lol.

He also sends us more messages asking to meet as if he forgot about the rude message he sent. We just leave him on unread messages."

Definitely his loss

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

""They handle rejection with diplomacy"

Not all the time.

There is a person here that says he is over 60 but profile age says 56 and is vile.

Told him we might consider meeting him and when we told him we had jobs,family etc and cant meet at short notice called us timewasters and fakes etc.

We didnt block him and hopes he enjoys seeing our fake timewasting pics whenever he looks at our profile. Lol.

He also sends us more messages asking to meet as if he forgot about the rude message he sent. We just leave him on unread messages."

When I didn't put message filters.I had men from any age up to 70 being vile with their conversation. I just noticed how articulately bitchy older men were with rejection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They've usually paid their mortgage off. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

more respectful towards woman

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

"more respectful towards woman "

Never ever found that to be the case as a sweeping generalist view. Some are respectful much like many young men are

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman
over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"more respectful towards woman "

Until they get rejected. But yes they know how to charm. Whether it's genuine, is another matter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are just as tired after one round as you are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t know. I’ve forgotten. Sorry, it’s my age

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They don’t use TikTok or twitter or Instagram

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They can hold a conversation.

They’re really mature!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does this work. I’m better than people younger than me, but not as good as those that are older than I?

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

Ermmm... I don't know tbh, not really my thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does this work. I’m better than people younger than me, but not as good as those that are older than I? "

Charge it to the game

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does this work. I’m better than people younger than me, but not as good as those that are older than I?

Charge it to the game

I’ll come back in 20yr when I am epic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does this work. I’m better than people younger than me, but not as good as those that are older than I?

Charge it to the game

I’ll come back in 20yr when I am epic.

You’re already epic!

I want to be just like you in 20 years

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How does this work. I’m better than people younger than me, but not as good as those that are older than I?

Charge it to the game

I’ll come back in 20yr when I am epic.

You’re already epic!

I want to be just like you in 20 years

This is why I like you dude. You know stuff!!

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By *onlywishiMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

For me it’s because we know that a lady deserves respect for being on here and a ladies fun should always come first her needs are the most important thing !

Also maybe slow teasing fun as the wham bam has really lost its interest (also struggle to go so fast anymore )

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

No idea. I’ve only met younger

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"No idea. I’ve only met younger

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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago

Boo's World

They don't try to stick it in your ear?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Older guys are better because….

Over to you"

They need to be?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They're not glued to their phones on their Twittermajig and Instabook and they don't play those silly video games that rot your brain

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We know what we like and what others like and we don't have as much time left to waste.

"You horny?"

"You asking?"

"I'm asking"

"I'm horny!"

I'm always horny!!

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By *inky Biscuit DunkerMan
over a year ago

Gloucestershire

Here for the comments...& to see who likes older guys

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

I have cash money!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sweeping generalisations aren't really reliable but, going by my experience of older, I wouldn't recommend them

I'm not going to set out a laundry list of woes though, they're just not for me

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

I find 50ish ideal which is younger than me obvs! Any younger and they don't seem to last very long (in my experience) any older and things tend to not work so well! X

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By *haggydogMan
over a year ago

Brooklands/London

It's nice to be getting some positives. I found I dropped off most peoples fab radar when I hit 45. And that was years ago. Lol

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Sweeping generalisations aren't really reliable but, going by my experience of older, I wouldn't recommend them

I'm not going to set out a laundry list of woes though, they're just not for me"

As a more experienced fellow I'd love that age brings improvement. But alas I feel there are very few things in life that get better with more miles on the clock.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

They fall asleep early in the armchair and you have the t.v. to yourself

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

There's an off chance you might be remembered in their will

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"There's an off chance you might be remembered in their will

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who are you leaving your large chest to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They don't make sweeping generalisations....oh wait...

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By *aptainhornpipeMan
over a year ago

manchester

Have nothing to prove, we know what we are doing and have likely done it thousands of times before.

We won’t keep you up too late on a school night

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

"There's an off chance you might be remembered in their will

who are you leaving your large chest to?

Buried with me.

I'm being buried at sea and I'm hoping these will keep me afloat for ages and I'll be scaring the bejesus out of surfers along the Trent for years to come

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"There's an off chance you might be remembered in their will

who are you leaving your large chest to?

Buried with me.

I'm being buried at sea and I'm hoping these will keep me afloat for ages and I'll be scaring the bejesus out of surfers along the Trent for years to come

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By *eri450Woman
over a year ago

limerick

Totally agree

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By *iddlesticksMan
over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

I’m older but I’m no better than anybody else.

At the end of the day, I’m older than some and young than a few less.

I’m just me, I come as I am.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I’m older but I’m no better than anybody else.

At the end of the day, I’m older than some and young than a few less.

I’m just me, I come as I am.

Sore nipples and all

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By *iddlesticksMan
over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

"I’m older but I’m no better than anybody else.

At the end of the day, I’m older than some and young than a few less.

I’m just me, I come as I am.

Sore nipples and all

See that wouldn’t have happened if I was younger. I think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ermmm... I don't know tbh, not really my thing."

I am so glad you found this, it spared me having to send the link.

I might need to use some Voltarol later, feeling sore, that doing anything for ya babes?

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I’m older but I’m no better than anybody else.

At the end of the day, I’m older than some and young than a few less.

I’m just me, I come as I am.

Sore nipples and all

See that wouldn’t have happened if I was younger. I think.

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

How old are we talking about?

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"No idea. I’ve only met younger

Legend

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By *ekked JackMan
over a year ago

South Lanarkshire

Old guys are better because they will forget if you were a snide ride so you can have another go.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Older guys are better because….

Over to you"

My salt and pepper beard does the trick;)

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By *lecom1Couple
over a year ago

Stornoway

We tend to have manners. Not prone to having hissy fits when rejected and above all we're more open to sexual experimentation.

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By *ipppyMan
over a year ago

Poole

We say please before sex and thank you afterwards, well I do!

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By *ongueFkYouMan
over a year ago

Bradford

"We tend to have manners. Not prone to having hissy fits when rejected and above all we're more open to sexual experimentation."
WOW you look stunning in your pics x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because I have daddy issues lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can't run away as fast as younger guys

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

"Ermmm... I don't know tbh, not really my thing.

I am so glad you found this, it spared me having to send the link.

I might need to use some Voltarol later, feeling sore, that doing anything for ya babes?"

You always cease to amaze me.

And of course it does, can't get enough of you directly appealing to my inner sexual fantasies like that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Because I have daddy issues lol"

Finally. The truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

take time to slow your life down and take in all the sights......

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

"They can hold a conversation.

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and say please and thankyou with a FAF message - manners cost nothing!!!

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By *arker secrets 321Man
over a year ago

West Bromwich

Cos we still look as hot as hell x

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By *aughty kittensCouple
over a year ago

In And Around The

They have more patience. Slowly slowly to catch the monkey

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By *actileGent69Man
over a year ago

East Cheshire

"I wouldn't have met you coz u are a bit older than I normally go for but glad I did coz tbh you're the best I've had in a while and you're lovely xx"

Think that says it all, she was 27.

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By *parkle1974Woman
over a year ago

Leeds

Some are...some not so much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sweeping generalisations aren't really reliable but, going by my experience of older, I wouldn't recommend them

I'm not going to set out a laundry list of woes though, they're just not for me"

I'm with her ^^^ my experience of older men on here actually put me off

The exception is at parties then awesome!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"take time to slow your life down and take in all the sights......"

Just like the old Cadburys caramel adverts..

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

Erm not sure I can't remember

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"take time to slow your life down and take in all the sights......

Just like the old Cadburys caramel adverts.. "
voiced by miriam margoles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have experience from a life “well” lived…

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By *oubletroubleCouple
over a year ago

South West

Older guys know life is a marathon and not a sprint.

John x

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

We've heard and seen so much great comedy

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By *esthetic21Man
over a year ago

Birmingham/Bristol

What's classed as older?

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By *ustamanMan
over a year ago

weymouth

"They've usually paid their mortgage off. "

Hahaha, I wish. Divorce and starting again not a chance

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By *ubwife4uCouple
over a year ago

Kent

Experience has shown us they are more likely to turn up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They smell of cheese and women love cheese

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Older guys know life is a marathon and not a sprint.

John x"

I’m sprinting so that it’s over as quickly as possible.

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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago

Boo's World

They don't waffle on endlessly about alsorts of random stuff.

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By *iddlesticksMan
over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

"They don't waffle on endlessly about alsorts of random stuff. "

I do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We know the tricks of the trade

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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago

Boo's World

"They don't waffle on endlessly about alsorts of random stuff.

I do.

You get away with it because of those pants

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

patience is a virtue and that politeness costs nothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

More experienced and usually know what they want. My bf is an older guy.

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By *lephantisMan
over a year ago

Oxford

I doubt they/we are better, but it's a comforting lie for those who seek such things.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

We might put you in our will.

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By *icknmix500Man
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

Just because we are, understanding and polite i hope .

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By *illanelleWoman
over a year ago

Ryde, Isle of Wight

In my experience they're possessive, self-obsessed, boring and not that brilliant in the sack.

Give me a younger man any day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

neither better or worse, have had some gr8 meets & some not so gr8...!

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

We won't try to get you to add us on Snapchat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They appreciate your body more and seem to take their time

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

"They appreciate your body more and seem to take their time"

Fabbed...I certainly appreciate your body

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"We won't try to get you to add us on Snapchat

Is that some new interweb dating thing ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In my experience they're possessive, self-obsessed, boring and not that brilliant in the sack.

Give me a younger man any day. "

Well l suppose your word is your word and that's what's you've experienced but not all guys should be painted with the same brush

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By *entleman from The NorthMan
over a year ago

croydon

Because they leave their phone in the car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We know lots of stuff.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"In my experience they're possessive, self-obsessed, boring and not that brilliant in the sack.

Give me a younger man any day. "

Hmmm I could generalise and say that’s exactly the same reasons I prefer younger women but that would be mean.

Experience , patience , understanding , security all comes with age. Younger guys should be in better shape physically but it’s not always the case.

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By *tephbicdTV/TS
over a year ago

Northamptonshire

Just seem very horny and more attentive..love older guys x

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

We are set in our ways

We creak

We need to pee a lot

We have the grey

We have wrinkles

We can only stay hard 20 minutes

We can't get up once we're down

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Because they won’t name drop in forums or share pics, getting laid is normal for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They know what they want and how to get it? Or is that just older women?

"
some of us older guys like the mature lady x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’d like to think so just never had any confirmation!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We bring our own flask of tea and some Werthers Originals

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

Generally, they have more expertise; experience; knowledge; patience; charm; maturity; wisdom; financial stability, etc.

Culturally, these valuable traits are ascribed more value in non-western societies, but, as the population ages, we are coming into our own!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We tell the best dad jokes!!!

Btw if anyone wants a double entendre...i will.give them one

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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago

taunton

They would most likely be very grateful as probably thought there last chance had come and gone .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They would most likely be very grateful as probably thought there last chance had come and gone ."

Yep

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By *moothshaftMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"They've usually paid their mortgage off.

Hahaha, I wish. Divorce and starting again not a chance

Exactly the same here. Work until I die

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

They will ease your back doors in!!

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By *moothshaftMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"In my experience they're possessive, self-obsessed, boring and not that brilliant in the sack.

Give me a younger man any day. "

You've obviously had a bad one, it happens. They've let the team down. X

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By *moothshaftMan
over a year ago

Coventry

"We are set in our ways

We creak

We need to pee a lot

We have the grey

We have wrinkles

We can only stay hard 20 minutes

We can't get up once we're down

20 minutes?!!!!!!......get you, super stud!

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

We forget where you live 5 minutes after meeting you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Older guys are better because….

Over to you"

We are experienced and willing to listen to you and learn what makes you tick and make approaches according to your guidelines.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"In my experience they're possessive, self-obsessed, boring and not that brilliant in the sack.

Give me a younger man any day. "

Don't beat around the bush,say what you feel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From a pure sexual point of view, not afraid to be open minded and say what they want. Works if that's your thing

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

They remember to put the seat back down and never waste an erection.

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By *ris GrayMan
over a year ago

Dorchester

"We are set in our ways

We creak

We need to pee a lot

We have the grey

We have wrinkles

We can only stay hard 20 minutes

We can't get up once we're down

20 minutes?!!!!!!......get you, super stud!

"
thank you thank you everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We take all night to do what we used to do all night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any old bloke remember to cry themselves to sleep after read the comments above?

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By *herryEatersCouple
over a year ago

East Cheshire

"Older guys are better because….

Over to you"

Being used to rotary phone dials our hands shake more and we have better finger action

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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago

Newry Down

We have seen it all before

-nothing is a surprise to us!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Older guys are better because….

Over to you

Being used to rotary phone dials our hands shake more and we have better finger action

You should see the way I flick toggles on gamepads

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