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By *ild_oats OP   Man
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

I’ve watched the first 2 episodes on prime- Mixed feelings about it so far - not sure about the development of the character Galadriel as a starter.

But eagerly await the next episodes to see how it develops…..

Are you a fan of The Silmarillion and the other Tolkien works this is based on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with any prequel material is that it necessarily had to be a ‘based on the writing of…’ rather than a straightforward adaptation.

Tolkien wrote so much such for all the ages prior to the 3rd in which the events of the LOTR is based, but like actual records for eg Norse mythology, it’s fractured, incomplete, inconsistent. This is why I love it, it feels like real mythology, we don’t really have the full story, we don’t know which version is accurate etc. Tolkien wrote and rewrote in parts and in full, in prose and in poem, and never ever reached anything approaching a finalised version of the 1st and 2nd ages. Names changed, the timescales in which the same event was described in multiple retellings changed. The Silmarillion was never a prequel, it was an attempt by Christopher Tolkien to pull

Together a coherent history of the time before the LOTR, but much of what was included had been replaced as more and more of JRRTs works have been found and understood.

Anyone trying to pull out a lengthy single story of something happening in these times, much less trying to tell a story showing the span of these ages is doomed to have to choose which bits to use, and which bits they need to make up to fill the gaps. And to make it worse, almost any and all extant info on what he did wrote was not writing stylistically in any way like a story in the way of LOTR, but as a history. There’s precious little dialogue, and most of that is a very dry “And then Feanor said…” more like a court transcript than a dynamic breathing scene. We know what some characters did, and some events we can describe, but we don’t have the finer character detail, ergo

That’s something we law that must be made up.

And as we know, people have strong ideas about how it should be, so when someone else’s strong idea doesn’t match, we get annoyed. Some people are getting annoyed because there are black hobbits - Tolkien might jot have used the word ‘black’ (which is a crap catch all anyway) but he did describe certain Hobbits as “nut brown” or “darker of skin” and yet the anti woke brigade are here telling us only their version with white hobbits is correct. Elves and dragons is fine, but not a black actor..anyway that’s a a different rant…

I’ll watch it when it’s all released, in 1 go.

Here endeth the essay

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

The Silmarillion is a hard read. Didn't enjoy it anywhere nearly as much as "The Hobbit" or LOTR.

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

Fun fact:

the band Marillion took their name from The Silmarillion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fun fact:

the band Marillion took their name from The Silmarillion."

Fun fact, they used the full name until the Tolkien estate got upset, so they shortened it

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden


"Fun fact:

the band Marillion took their name from The Silmarillion.

Fun fact, they used the full name until the Tolkien estate got upset, so they shortened it"

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By *ild_oats OP   Man
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners


"The Silmarillion is a hard read. Didn't enjoy it anywhere nearly as much as "The Hobbit" or LOTR."

It’s not meant to be a narrative story like LOTR more of a creation myth and mythology of the middle earth ages.

It’s best read in smaller sections giving you time to fully understand the mythology.

Rather than treating it as a novel that has to be read end to end with little breaks in between chapters….

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

Keep in mind Amazon only have the rights to the appendices for the second age. None of the actual books, The Silmarillion, The Hobbit, or The Lord of the Rings.

What they have so far looks pretty, the music is amazing, but as for a failful adaption of Tolkien, that it is not. Changes made (not between the lines stuff) actual events taking place that did not happen and could not have happened based upon what was written in Tolkein's world.

So far the best part of the show in terms of characters are a married dwarf couple. Both in acting and writing. Everything else is difficult to watch.

It is bad times when your main character is the least likable of them all.

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By *atty39Man
over a year ago

Manchester

I'm a big fan off the mythology books and lotr films and iv enjoyed it so it's not perfect no but it's still a fun watch and a bit off escapism 0

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Galadriel is annoying as fuck.

I only mildly enjoyed the parts she wasn't in tbh. Feels like a kids' movie.

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By *ersuasion22Couple
over a year ago

Herts

I really enjoyed it. My expectations were extremely low after seeing the trailer, but I was pleasantly surprised. - Mrs P

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"Galadriel is annoying as fuck.

I only mildly enjoyed the parts she wasn't in tbh. Feels like a kids' movie. "

A complex character turned in to a one dimensional character focused on nothing but vengeance - at a time in her life when she was actually very happy while leading and travelling around various parts of Middle earth with her husband. Not until Sauron returned did she become his main resistance.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

its not bad I guess for young peoples fan fiction based on an established lore setting ...

I wouldn't remotely call it cannon in the sense though , just fan fiction made visual

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

I’ve just caught up and I have to say that I’m loving it!

I’m taking it as the first salvo in a long running series, like GOT, so the first few episodes are going to be world building/character motivation and exposition heavy.

If it’s just action that people want, without back story or character, watch a Michael Bay film

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love it, just glad to be getting more LOTR content. It's a fun watch, and looks stunning too. Bring on the Balrog.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The last episode was a LOT better

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"The last episode was a LOT better "

Was it though? Still has absolutely terrible writing.

I can easily rip apart everything wrong with the writing alone, never mind the acting, set design, fight and battle choreography, respect to the lore and actual writings of Tolkien, big issues and small, from the first episode to this one.

Desa and Durin are the only two who get a pass on being semi decent. But still issues.

Not a single scene would go unchallenged.

Remember that scene in the very first episode, of Galadriel stacking up all those helmets?

That is actually a metaphor for the show and all its little mistakes and problems growing and growing.

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

It's not very good. Aimed too much at children.

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By *tylebender03Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Tolkien rolling in his grave - nice special effects but that’s it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The last episode was a LOT better

Was it though? Still has absolutely terrible writing.

I can easily rip apart everything wrong with the writing alone, never mind the acting, set design, fight and battle choreography, respect to the lore and actual writings of Tolkien, big issues and small, from the first episode to this one.

Desa and Durin are the only two who get a pass on being semi decent. But still issues.

Not a single scene would go unchallenged.

Remember that scene in the very first episode, of Galadriel stacking up all those helmets?

That is actually a metaphor for the show and all its little mistakes and problems growing and growing. "

I didn't say it was good, I said it was better

At least something happened...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It had a slow start and I’m not entirely convinced with the hobbits but I’m really enjoying it now.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"The last episode was a LOT better

Was it though? Still has absolutely terrible writing.

I can easily rip apart everything wrong with the writing alone, never mind the acting, set design, fight and battle choreography, respect to the lore and actual writings of Tolkien, big issues and small, from the first episode to this one.

Desa and Durin are the only two who get a pass on being semi decent. But still issues.

Not a single scene would go unchallenged.

Remember that scene in the very first episode, of Galadriel stacking up all those helmets?

That is actually a metaphor for the show and all its little mistakes and problems growing and growing.

I didn't say it was good, I said it was better

At least something happened... "

But again was it better? They just changed poor exposition and a plot that dragged along going nowhere, doing the worst sin a TV show can do by telling us everything but not showing it (rule 1 in TV, show, don't telll). Then instead we got an uninteresting, illogical, and poorly choreographed battle. Teleporting horses, the same disregard for time and distance we have seen previously. And even more forced romance shippong between the most dislikable lead character I've ever seen and Sauragorn of Angmar the maybe red herring.

A bit of action does not hide the issues the show has and continues to have.

On the plus side we didn't get any Dirty little Sociopaths this week with Offbrandalf, though.

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By *aul_j80Man
over a year ago

Bloxwich


"The last episode was a LOT better

Was it though? Still has absolutely terrible writing.

I can easily rip apart everything wrong with the writing alone, never mind the acting, set design, fight and battle choreography, respect to the lore and actual writings of Tolkien, big issues and small, from the first episode to this one.

Desa and Durin are the only two who get a pass on being semi decent. But still issues.

Not a single scene would go unchallenged.

Remember that scene in the very first episode, of Galadriel stacking up all those helmets?

That is actually a metaphor for the show and all its little mistakes and problems growing and growing. "

I agree half a billion dollar project, and they employed crap writers, as well as chasing the woke agenda, girl bosses everywhere, Galadriel ok she’s annoying and bratty for a 2,000 year old elf, Bronwyn oh come on really? She’s not a realistic leader/hero.

I like Durin and Desa too, not wooden like some other characters, then the writers make up a jackanory about the origins of mithril, embarrassing.

And the hobbits, our hearts are bigger than our feet, but if you fall behind you’re on your own and dead meat lol

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

It’s alright. Not great but we been spoilt over the years in series so this is not head and shoulders above.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling


"The last episode was a LOT better

Was it though? Still has absolutely terrible writing.

I can easily rip apart everything wrong with the writing alone, never mind the acting, set design, fight and battle choreography, respect to the lore and actual writings of Tolkien, big issues and small, from the first episode to this one.

Desa and Durin are the only two who get a pass on being semi decent. But still issues.

Not a single scene would go unchallenged.

Remember that scene in the very first episode, of Galadriel stacking up all those helmets?

That is actually a metaphor for the show and all its little mistakes and problems growing and growing.

I agree half a billion dollar project, and they employed crap writers, as well as chasing the woke agenda, girl bosses everywhere, Galadriel ok she’s annoying and bratty for a 2,000 year old elf, Bronwyn oh come on really? She’s not a realistic leader/hero.

I like Durin and Desa too, not wooden like some other characters, then the writers make up a jackanory about the origins of mithril, embarrassing.

And the hobbits, our hearts are bigger than our feet, but if you fall behind you’re on your own and dead meat lol "

The "woke" stuff doesn't bother me for the most part, except when it takes place over logic, respect for Tolkien and story itself. Which is quite a bit to be fair but it is my lesser issue with things. The "woke" stuff could still be done in much better ways.

Galadriel should be amazing, lead character and a wise and powerful woman. Yet in their ham-fisted way they have to make her insufferable to show how strong and independent she is changing important parts of who she is, things that should have happened long before the events of the second age - her husband and daughter first and for most. They downplay the might and power of Numenor to make her look better. Gil'galad looks like an idiot and a slimey politician so that Galadriel can be right.

The writers genuinely expect her to be liked, as you can tell by the way they frame her through people looking at her in awe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Im really enjoying it much more than the thrones one

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