FabSwingers.com forum: Pests or pets?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Cats. Pests or pets? A bit long winded this one but, I'm going with pests all day long. I have a personal grudge like many do. They started off shitting in all my flower beds. There was that much, it started to kill off the flowers. No sooner had I cleaned it all out, as soon as I turned my back, there would be another stinking, streaming pile of shite. I ended up spending a small fortune on these rolls with plastic spikes to put on the flower beds. They're specifically designed so cats can't walk on them. They don't hurt the cats whatsoever, they just can't walk on them. They worked a treat for about a year, but now the next-door neighbour's cat has started shitting on my lawn. Like wtaf! It's like it knows exactly how to piss me off. But it's not just that I don't like about them. They're horrible yawling they do at ridiculous o'clock. Or when they spray everywhere, bleurgh. But the one that really gets me, an estimated 27 million birds are killed every year in the UK alone by cats. An estimated 100 million other animals overall. How can we as a society justify that? That's bird genocide on an industrial scale. The argument of they're animals it's what animals do, or survival of the fittest etc isn't a sound argument. Domesticated cats are an invasive species and are only here in their millions because people allow it. Yes I understand they're cute, make nice pets, but surely it's selfish behaviour from humans and about their wants is why we keep cats as pets. Surely any true animal lover wouldn't ever own a cat. The ecological damage they do is huge. I'm not a cat hater, I get why people like them, I just think they're pests and the law should maybe change in some way in regards to owning them. This thread isn't about being cruel to cats btw. Any animal cruelty is unacceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

How do you feel about foxes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What laws exactly do you propose?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you feel about foxes?"

Exactly or any wild animals that come into gardens. I'm sure to most wild animals we are the biggest pests around.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family. "

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

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By *auntymanMan
over a year ago

Stourbridge

"Cats. Pests or pets? A bit long winded this one but, I'm going with pests all day long. I have a personal grudge like many do. They started off shitting in all my flower beds. There was that much, it started to kill off the flowers. No sooner had I cleaned it all out, as soon as I turned my back, there would be another stinking, streaming pile of shite. I ended up spending a small fortune on these rolls with plastic spikes to put on the flower beds. They're specifically designed so cats can't walk on them. They don't hurt the cats whatsoever, they just can't walk on them. They worked a treat for about a year, but now the next-door neighbour's cat has started shitting on my lawn. Like wtaf! It's like it knows exactly how to piss me off. But it's not just that I don't like about them. They're horrible yawling they do at ridiculous o'clock. Or when they spray everywhere, bleurgh. But the one that really gets me, an estimated 27 million birds are killed every year in the UK alone by cats. An estimated 100 million other animals overall. How can we as a society justify that? That's bird genocide on an industrial scale. The argument of they're animals it's what animals do, or survival of the fittest etc isn't a sound argument. Domesticated cats are an invasive species and are only here in their millions because people allow it. Yes I understand they're cute, make nice pets, but surely it's selfish behaviour from humans and about their wants is why we keep cats as pets. Surely any true animal lover wouldn't ever own a cat. The ecological damage they do is huge. I'm not a cat hater, I get why people like them, I just think they're pests and the law should maybe change in some way in regards to owning them. This thread isn't about being cruel to cats btw. Any animal cruelty is unacceptable. "

Constantly clearing up cat shit from my garden, plants dug up, seeds dug up. Absolutely no birds in mine or the local garden as they simply can't survive, but aren't they lovely...... No. I agree complete pests, no one would tolerate others shitting in their garden or killing all the local birdlife, but with cats it's apparently ok. Grrrrrr

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"How do you feel about foxes?

Exactly or any wild animals that come into gardens. I'm sure to most wild animals we are the biggest pests around."

We encourage the foxes because they keep the rats down and the slugs. We have to clear fox poo daily though and they dig up my plants unless I cover them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Couldn't agree more.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?"

How do you know her cat shits in neighbouring gardens ,many use litters like mine do.

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By *o scandalousWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

My cat is my baby.

I do let potential meets know I have a cat in case they are allergic, so they can cancel or arrange to meet at their place instead.

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By *orthseatiger69Man
over a year ago

Ayrshire /North lanarshire

Stick a bell on the cats collar - it worked for ours

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?"

What are you talking about!

You are aware of the life cycle right? and all cats are doing is what they are meant to do. My cat doesn't shit in anyone's garden she cannot wait till her litter tray is fresh and even if she's already done a poo that day we'll do another one just because she can. You will come in from outside to do a poo in her tray. bats, squirrels, foxes all kill birds as do birds of pray do you want them all kept indoors too?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How do you feel about foxes?

Exactly or any wild animals that come into gardens. I'm sure to most wild animals we are the biggest pests around.

We encourage the foxes because they keep the rats down and the slugs. We have to clear fox poo daily though and they dig up my plants unless I cover them. "

Foxes are indigenous wild animals. Cats are a domesticated invasive species. Really isn't a like for like comparison is it. And do Foxes kill 27 million birds a year? They absolutely don't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You mean like foxes? Foxes also do all the things you have just described.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?"

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How do you feel about foxes?

Exactly or any wild animals that come into gardens. I'm sure to most wild animals we are the biggest pests around.

We encourage the foxes because they keep the rats down and the slugs. We have to clear fox poo daily though and they dig up my plants unless I cover them.

Foxes are indigenous wild animals. Cats are a domesticated invasive species. Really isn't a like for like comparison is it. And do Foxes kill 27 million birds a year? They absolutely don't."

Again what are you talking about because England has the only people species of native wild cat in Europe.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

What are you talking about!

Yep, your cat is completely different to all the other cats. Doesn't shit outside, doesn't kill birds. Doesn't do cat things whatsoever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive"

I don't think ours has ever killed a bird she is far too lazy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

What are you talking about!

Yep, your cat is completely different to all the other cats. Doesn't shit outside, doesn't kill birds. Doesn't do cat things whatsoever. "

You clearly know nothing about cats because most domestic cats with a literary will use that rather than outdoors. You say you don't hate cats yet you are doing a very good impression of someone that does and someone that make some lot of assumptions. You have stated facts on this thread that are not true.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

What are you talking about!

Yep, your cat is completely different to all the other cats. Doesn't shit outside, doesn't kill birds. Doesn't do cat things whatsoever. "

Not all cats kill things either ,you're generalising .

Some do yes ,but not all do

You do sound like a cat hater though op tbh.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"How do you feel about foxes?

Exactly or any wild animals that come into gardens. I'm sure to most wild animals we are the biggest pests around.

We encourage the foxes because they keep the rats down and the slugs. We have to clear fox poo daily though and they dig up my plants unless I cover them.

Foxes are indigenous wild animals. Cats are a domesticated invasive species. Really isn't a like for like comparison is it. And do Foxes kill 27 million birds a year? They absolutely don't."

As I say I support your right to dislike cats. I don't know how many birds foxes kill, I do know they killed our chickens though and left the headless bodies of the ones they didn't eat.

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By *arrenandhisduckCouple
over a year ago

blackpool

Dog people over here , really don't like cats would never hurt one but definitely don't want them near us, they wind our dogs up constantly standing on our back wall sure people would say something if our dogs were in someone's garden & not under control

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By *hrista BellendWoman
over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Definitely Pets and working animals...

We feed the 100 million animals they kill a year, our waste feeds small rodents, the 27 million birds we invite them into our gardens with bought food, which has resulted in unnatural populations of the four main bird species cats kill every year...

So yes. We create the problem and the cats just redress the balance

Have you tried lion poo as a deterrent, I've heard it's rather good

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By *auntymanMan
over a year ago

Stourbridge

You mean like foxes? Foxes also do all the things you have just described. "

Your missing the point. People don't have foxes as pets. It's the fact I love in a street where nearly everyone but me has a cat, so guess which garden they choose to shit in?!? Made a nice veg patch and have given up as it's just a litter tray, covered over now, complete waste of time. You cannot compare domestic cats with wild foxes!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

What are you talking about!

Yep, your cat is completely different to all the other cats. Doesn't shit outside, doesn't kill birds. Doesn't do cat things whatsoever.

Not all cats kill things either ,you're generalising .

Some do yes ,but not all do

You do sound like a cat hater though op tbh."

Thank you.

My cat more certainly does do cat like things. She sleeps for around 16 hours A-day, Poops in her litter tray especially when we have just cleaned it, Looks down her nose at us and thinks she owns the place so I can assure you she is very cat like.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

This is one thread I know will hit 175 ( possibly 176 or even 177, for those in the know) very quickly. There could even be a part 2.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive

I don't think ours has ever killed a bird she is far too lazy.

Our boy is a total scardy ,

We once had a chicken wander from a local farm and it was on our wall.He ran inside as fast as his little legs would go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive

I don't think ours has ever killed a bird she is far too lazy.

Our boy is a total scardy ,

We once had a chicken wander from a local farm and it was on our wall.He ran inside as fast as his little legs would go

We very much hoped our cat would kill the flies and spiders but she runs away from them.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

Sounds like they're good pest control in addition to being great pets. They're independent, not needy and have spectacular cousins. Team cat all the way.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive

I don't think ours has ever killed a bird she is far too lazy.

Our boy is a total scardy ,

We once had a chicken wander from a local farm and it was on our wall.He ran inside as fast as his little legs would go

We very much hoped our cat would kill the flies and spiders but she runs away from them.

Ha ha ours manage flies and moths & that's about it thankfully !

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Obviously everyone posting on this thread about how wonderful their cat is. Little tigger doesn't shit outside. Little tigger has a bell on it's collar(bells don't work. 27 million dead birds every year says that). Little tigger is far too lazy. Do you honestly believe your cat is so different to a cat, it doesn't do cat things? Come on!

Cats are an evasive species btw. They're not part of the natural life cycle as someone put it on here. They do untold damage to the eco system. This is a fact. But you're lovely little Tigger is different than all the other cats.

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By *auntymanMan
over a year ago

Stourbridge

I've vented now....love gardening but cannot do it, perhaps I should just concrete over my whole garden. Maybe my neighbours don't have litter trays who knows. All I know is cats make my gardening life a misery, that's not speculation, or made up its actual fact.

Anyway, now that's said I'm not looking at this thread again. Happy thoughts to everyone.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

"Obviously everyone posting on this thread about how wonderful their cat is. Little tigger doesn't shit outside. Little tigger has a bell on it's collar(bells don't work. 27 million dead birds every year says that). Little tigger is far too lazy. Do you honestly believe your cat is so different to a cat, it doesn't do cat things? Come on!

Clearly you've met every cat in the UK & studied them in detail you know better than cat owners.

You don't like them ,we get it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Again you are wrong. You seem to know very little about cats and just stating things as facts doesn't make it true. I don't understand why you said you're not a cat hater when very clearly you are and you should just own that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive"

Is it an excessive estimate? Let's do the maths. Of course this is only guess work, but more than plausible. Let's say a cat lives for 10 years. Let's say that cat kills 3 birds a week. That's over 1500 birds. Now those numbers don't seem that wild to me.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

I befriended one and it keeps the others away. I don't feed her but she has water from the garden tray. Cats don't defecate near a water source so she does not mess anywhere. Been visiting for over 5 years now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive

Most domestic cats do not kill on average 3 birds a week.

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By *ottom charlieMan
over a year ago

washington

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By *ittle-Miss-Cunty-1Woman
over a year ago

Your basement, Cuntsville

I have 2 females, both are spayed, they shit in their litter trays and piss wherever they want (outside) they never leave my garden

they have never brought me a dead bird, they bring them alive

I put them back outside, if they live after that then yayyy.. this happens maybe once a year in the summer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive

Most domestic cats do not kill on average 3 birds a week. "

You know this do you? How do you account for 27 million dead birds a year? You say it's not the domestic cats. Well it sure ain't the wild cats.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive

As I said I support your right to dislike cats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

I support your right to dislike cats even though I disagree with it but your claim that one cat will kill thousands of birds in its lifetime is a little excessive

Most domestic cats do not kill on average 3 birds a week.

You know this do you? How do you account for 27 million dead birds a year? You say it's not the domestic cats. Well it sure ain't the wild cats."

You tell me because you seem to know everything about cats and how many birds each cat kills on average a week. I have already explained to you there are several animals that kill birds so I would suggest a good chunk of that are the other animals. Also I did not say domestic cats do not kill birds, I said I very much doubt the vast majority kill on average 3 a week which is what you have just claimed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are 10.8 million cats in the UK that are domesticated. If you claim 27 million birds are killed a year your maths of each cat killing 3 A week doesn't really work does it. Bats, foxes, squirrels and birds of pray also kill birds.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"There are 10.8 million cats in the UK that are domesticated. If you claim 27 million birds are killed a year your maths of each cat killing 3 A week doesn't really work does it. Bats, foxes, squirrels and birds of pray also kill birds. "

It's weird that people keep comparing wild animals to a domesticated pet.

And the bottom line is, I'd rather see birds in my garden than a load of cat shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do "

Yep, I'm vegan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's weird that people keep comparing wild animals to a domesticated pet.

And the bottom line is, I'd rather see birds in my garden than a load of cat shit. "

Still not going to admit you are no way you can correct I see. You literally asked me how I accounted for the 27 million dead birds so I told you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It's weird that people keep comparing wild animals to a domesticated pet.

And the bottom line is, I'd rather see birds in my garden than a load of cat shit.

Still not going to admit you are no way you can correct I see. You literally asked me how I accounted for the 27 million dead birds so I told you. "

Cats kill 27 million birds in the UK needlessly just so you can have your cuddles. Not sure what else you want me to say tbh.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've nothing against cats as pet's, but hey p****d off having to pick up their s**t from my garden before I can cut the grass, I sometimes feel like bagging it and dumping it on the owners lawns

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

Op -Cats are good for helping people with stess and anxiety.

Perhaps you should get one.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

How as a society can we justify cats killing birds? Ohh please?? Us humans do far much more killing and damage than any cat!! X

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

I adore cats - furry little assholes that they are!

If you get your own cat, others don’t shit in your garden either! Ours does his little dumps elsewhere too!

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

It's us hoomans that are blooming pests!! X

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By *ister CMan
over a year ago

liverpool

The OP has a point... no one has really addressed any of them in any meaningful way to debate it?

Rather, youre spewing emotive responses about youre personal moggy.

And so it degenerates... not surprising considering... well... anyway...

Two things to consider... the BBC did a week long documentary about the secret life of cats... the domesticated uk type.

Litterally tracked 12 of them for a week 24hrs a day. It was excellent and enlightening. The most successful hunter was the lazy anxious female, by a long shot. 1500 birds is entirely possible as it points out... anyways its worth a watch.

Oh and finally one of the most successful predators on the plant... is a 17in african black foot cat... 60% of its attacks are successful. Theyre killing machines... lions have a 25% success rate for colour...

again...really good bbc doco on them too which had them at no1 in the cat world.

Oh BTW I like cats...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Op -Cats are good for helping people with stess and anxiety.

Perhaps you should get one.

Who says I'm stressed and have anxiety? Hell of an assumption to make. It's a legitimate post on why I think cats are pests. It's hilarious how people go bat shit crazy when you mention someone mentions they don't like cats. Got blocked by a few people, even had a couple of people PM then block me so I couldn't reply. Very odd. All because I prefer birds in my garden rather than cat shit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's weird that people keep comparing wild animals to a domesticated pet.

And the bottom line is, I'd rather see birds in my garden than a load of cat shit.

Still not going to admit you are no way you can correct I see. You literally asked me how I accounted for the 27 million dead birds so I told you.

Cats kill 27 million birds in the UK needlessly just so you can have your cuddles. Not sure what else you want me to say tbh."

Yukraine cats kill on average 3 birds a week. The reality is Each cat on average kills around 3 A year. At the end of our road we have a beautiful pond and about 7 swans and ducks are killed a year by cars so I'll tell you what let's ban all cars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP has a point... no one has really addressed any of them in any meaningful way to debate it?

Rather, youre spewing emotive responses about youre personal moggy.

And so it degenerates... not surprising considering... well... anyway...

Two things to consider... the BBC did a week long documentary about the secret life of cats... the domesticated uk type.

again...really good bbc doco on them too which had them at no1 in the cat world.

Oh BTW I like cats...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Op -Cats are good for helping people with stess and anxiety.

Perhaps you should get one.

You are upset that this person has made assumptions but that is exactly what you have chosen to do .

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

"Op -Cats are good for helping people with stess and anxiety.

Perhaps you should get one.

Isn't that like assuming all cats kill birds?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The OP has a point... no one has really addressed any of them in any meaningful way to debate it?

Rather, youre spewing emotive responses about youre personal moggy.

And so it degenerates... not surprising considering... well... anyway...

Two things to consider... the BBC did a week long documentary about the secret life of cats... the domesticated uk type.

again...really good bbc doco on them too which had them at no1 in the cat world.

Oh BTW I like cats...

1500 Isn't possible simply because we have 10 million domestic cats in the uk yet 27 million birds killed by cats so the maths doesn't work does it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How as a society can we justify cats killing birds? Ohh please?? Us humans do far much more killing and damage than any cat!! X"

I'm not justifying human behavior. The reason cats are a problem because of human behavior. I always find it odd when people try and justify a specific problem or argument by saying 'well what about this (insert orger issue). I was talking about all the other shitty, vile traits humans have. We can debate that on another thread.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Op -Cats are good for helping people with stess and anxiety.

Perhaps you should get one.

Isn't that like assuming all cats kill birds?"

I didn't say that. Cats kill 27 million birds a year is what I said. I said cats are a pest.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And us hoomans don't do untold damage? Laughable cats compared to us hoomans is like comparing a grain of sand(the cats damage) to a whole beach! Us hoomans!

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

"Op -Cats are good for helping people with stess and anxiety.

Perhaps you should get one.

Isn't that like assuming all cats kill birds?

I didn't say that. Cats kill 27 million birds a year is what I said. I said cats are a pest. "

So get rid of all cats because some kill. So shall we wipe out the human race because some people are murderers?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And us hoomans don't do untold damage? Laughable cats compared to us hoomans is like comparing a grain of sand(the cats damage) to a whole beach! Us hoomans!

Right, I'll try and address this again. I'm not defending human shitty behaviour. Humans are fucking awful. You probably are, I probably am, I try not to be, but yeah we all do shit. This thread is about cats killing birds and shitting in my garden. Start a thread about how shit humans are and I'll happily contribute to it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

And I have lots and lots of birds in garden they nest out there! Wish they didn't! As its not my cat but one of the bloody dogs a spaniel have to watch when the fledglings appear! It's so bad I have to leash him out there as he kills them given chance! Lab is ok she leaves them! He kills rats as well if they come in garden from next doors decking! Little shit! X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Op -Cats are good for helping people with stess and anxiety.

Perhaps you should get one.

Isn't that like assuming all cats kill birds?

I didn't say that. Cats kill 27 million birds a year is what I said. I said cats are a pest.

So get rid of all cats because some kill. So shall we wipe out the human race because some people are murderers?"

Again another weird comparison. And did I say get rid of all cats? That's 2 quotes you've made up now that you've attributed to me.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

But we not talking our freedoms? We talking cats??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cats are vermin and should be treated as such my opinion or there so called lovely owners should take responsibility for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cats are vermin and should be treated as such my opinion or there so called lovely owners should take responsibility for them."

Cats are not vermin and the majority of people get cats to keep vermin away. What responsibility would you like cat owners to take?

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats. "

Nothing more weird than wanting to introduce laws for owning cats. And yes op, you did say that!

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

Every one likes a little pussy.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats.

Nothing more weird than wanting to introduce laws for owning cats. And yes op, you did say that!"

Erm no I didn't. Either learn to read properly or stop making shit up. It's either one or the other.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Every one likes a little pussy.

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By *iltopbearMan
over a year ago

Norfolk

Bored? Nothing to do? Slow Saturday afternoon?

Start an argument on the forums!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats.

Nothing more weird than wanting to introduce laws for owning cats. And yes op, you did say that!

Erm no I didn't. Either learn to read properly or stop making shit up. It's either one or the other."

You said initially I wanted to get rid of all cats

I didn't say that.

And there's plenty of laws surrounding animals ownership. If you think that's weird, then so be it.

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats.

Nothing more weird than wanting to introduce laws for owning cats. And yes op, you did say that!

Erm no I didn't. Either learn to read properly or stop making shit up. It's either one or the other."

Read your first and tell me what you meant about laws then? And is there a reason you need to swear all the time?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Put coffee grounds down and buy a water pistol. The cats soon learn.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cats are vermin and should be treated as such my opinion or there so called lovely owners should take responsibility for them.

Cats are not vermin and the majority of people get cats to keep vermin away. What responsibility would you like cat owners to take?"
keep them inside would help or don't get face on when I explain what I'll do otherwise

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats. "

Me saying I think cats are pests because they kill birds and shit all over my garden. Is that really weird. What's weird is getting blocked because I don't like cats. Or people PM shit because I don't like cats. Don't you think?

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By *iltopbearMan
over a year ago

Norfolk

Catastrophic thread

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats.

Nothing more weird than wanting to introduce laws for owning cats. And yes op, you did say that!

Erm no I didn't. Either learn to read properly or stop making shit up. It's either one or the other.

Read your first and tell me what you meant about laws then? And is there a reason you need to swear all the time?"

Haha I like swearing. Sorry if it offends.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Catastrophic thread

Superb

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats.

Nothing more weird than wanting to introduce laws for owning cats. And yes op, you did say that!

Erm no I didn't. Either learn to read properly or stop making shit up. It's either one or the other.

Read your first and tell me what you meant about laws then? And is there a reason you need to swear all the time?

Haha I like swearing. Sorry if it offends. "

Yes, it does. I think there needs to be a law about swearing on forum posts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pets! It’s funny how humans seem to think this planet exists just for them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cats and foxes taste the same…

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Cats and foxes taste the same…"

Their diet is similar so I suppose they do. Pretty tough meat I imagine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot "

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People getting all weird about cats. Love it. You can take our freedom, but you can't talk shit about our cats

I think it's only you really that's got weird about cats.

Nothing more weird than wanting to introduce laws for owning cats. And yes op, you did say that!

Erm no I didn't. Either learn to read properly or stop making shit up. It's either one or the other.

Read your first and tell me what you meant about laws then? And is there a reason you need to swear all the time?

Haha I like swearing. Sorry if it offends.

Yes, it does. I think there needs to be a law about swearing on forum posts.

Now I know you're taking the p**s

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it? "

Yep.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep."

What does it say about them?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them? "

He's judging me for being vegan and using it as an a supposed insult by saying 'that explains a lot.' Trying to insult me on my personal life choice which have no effect on his life whatsoever. So yeah, I think it says quite a lot about him tbh. And he mentioned veganism first by the way. Just to be clear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

What judgement did he make?

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Yes op, you assumed someones cat was called tigger!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Yes op, you assumed someones cat was called tigger!"

Damn, you got me there. You correctly attributed 1 quote out of 3 to me. Keep this up and you might get to 50%.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think if you choose to keep a cat as a pet you should be responsible for ensuring it is litter trained and if a neighbour has advised you your cat uses their garden you have to address that not ignore it. If your child dropped trou in a neighbour's garden you'd address it, pets are often referred to as children and are equally in need of supervision.

An old neighbour has a cat that is 100% outdoor. It's never ever allowed indoors. Not a farm but a normal house. It lives in their garage and uses gardens to poo etc and leaves dead things on doorsteps.

What's the point of that as far as having a pet goes? Might as well call the hedgehogs pets now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Zzzzzz

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

What judgement did he make? "

Really? What did you think he meant by saying that 'that explains a lot'? I think most people reading that would think he's trying to insult me. Do you not think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meowww

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By *sBlueWoman
over a year ago

Up North

I’m going to give my cat a good talking too about shitting in others gardens!

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over a year ago

"Meowww "

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Yes op, you assumed someones cat was called tigger!

Damn, you got me there. You correctly attributed 1 quote out of 3 to me. Keep this up and you might get to 50%."

And you manage to not swear. Well done.

Did you know cats dont swear? They are purrfect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cats don't maul humans to death or seriously disfigure them like some dogs have done...

I have 4 cats, only 1 is a bird killer. The main problem I faced was my neighbours bird table. Maybe non cat owners should be more responsible and not feed the birds when they know there are lots of cats about

I agree there are too many cats being born though.

All mine are rescue cats, so I make a case that cats are subjected to a abuse by some humans... therefore some cats are victims.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Both.. pets for their owners and fucking annoying pests for all their neighbours.

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By *ooo wet tight hornyWoman
over a year ago

lancashire

I totally agree...cats are a pest...allowed to use peoples gardens as a toilet it's disgusting, kill thousands of birds

Some one near me walks his cat on a lead and harness...which the cat enjoys. This should be the norm for all cats...walk them on a harness and lead and pick up after them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look on the bright side.. we have bears coyotes raccoons skunks foxes deer opossums fisher cats. A domesticated cat is least of a issue.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I’m going to give my cat a good talking too about shitting in others gardens! "

Love this! I said this to a woman who knocked on my door long long ago saying my cat shat in her garden I said i will ask her not 2! Even though think it was a simlar looking cat anyway as she rarely left the garden x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Yes op, you assumed someones cat was called tigger!

Damn, you got me there. You correctly attributed 1 quote out of 3 to me. Keep this up and you might get to 50%.

And you manage to not swear. Well done.

Did you know cats dont swear? They are purrfect"

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"I’m going to give my cat a good talking too about shitting in others gardens!

4 legs? Whiskers? Tail? That'll be the same one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Who've I judged? 3rd question I've asked you and no doubt you won't reply to this like you didn't to the previous two. I've said I don't like cats shitting in my garden or killing birds.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"I’m going to give my cat a good talking too about shitting in others gardens!

4 legs? Whiskers? Tail? That'll be the same one. "

Black and white yes lots like my long departed tinkerbell around at that time x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Who've I judged? 3rd question I've asked you and no doubt you won't reply to this like you didn't to the previous two. I've said I don't like cats shitting in my garden or killing birds."

And if he's not judging me. What do think he meant by it? Yes, I'm assuming he's trying to judge and insult me. What else could it be? I may be wrong. I'm happy to listen to what else it could have meant.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you realise it's just nature for cats to catch/kill

& also unlucky you a cat shits in your garden you can't tell them not to it's what they do

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?"
my cats often bring me mice,rats and birds, even had a squirrel or two... and yes I think it's acceptable...

However my cats don't shit in the neighbours gardens either... as they tend to come in and use their litter trays.

Local foxes however love to crap I'm my garden..

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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago

Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove

I have 6 dogs, they keep the garden free of birds and cats.

I’ve also got house cats, worse decision ever! Harder work than all the dogs out together and soooooooo destructive

I recall reading that a country (Australia?) had banned cats going out and said they all had to be indoor cats

Maybe we’re heading that way since the UK government required all cats now have to be microchipped

It’d also stop my various neighbours from standing in their gardens every evening banging cat bowls and screaming their pets name at full volume until the pesky thing returns

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I totally agree...cats are a pest...allowed to use peoples gardens as a toilet it's disgusting, kill thousands of birds

Some one near me walks his cat on a lead and harness...which the cat enjoys. This should be the norm for all cats...walk them on a harness and lead and pick up after them.

"
just listen to yourself you sound like a tool!

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

"Do you realise it's just nature for cats to catch/kill

& also unlucky you a cat shits in your garden you can't tell them not to it's what they do "
if he gets a cat, other cats won't shit in the garden

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Do you realise it's just nature for cats to catch/kill

& also unlucky you a cat shits in your garden you can't tell them not to it's what they do if he gets a cat, other cats won't shit in the garden

"
I really hope the cat that is shitting in his garden tells another 5 to do it

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By *arrenandhisduckCouple
over a year ago

blackpool

"I have 6 dogs, they keep the garden free of birds and cats.

I’ve also got house cats, worse decision ever! Harder work than all the dogs out together and soooooooo destructive

I recall reading that a country (Australia?) had banned cats going out and said they all had to be indoor cats

Maybe we’re heading that way since the UK government required all cats now have to be microchipped

It’d also stop my various neighbours from standing in their gardens every evening banging cat bowls and screaming their pets name at full volume until the pesky thing returns

8 dogs over here & the cats over the back wind them up constantly on the back wall it drives me mad

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I totally agree...cats are a pest...allowed to use peoples gardens as a toilet it's disgusting, kill thousands of birds

Some one near me walks his cat on a lead and harness...which the cat enjoys. This should be the norm for all cats...walk them on a harness and lead and pick up after them.

just listen to yourself you sound like a tool!

Why are you personally attacking people? People have agreed or disagreed on this thread, but no one has resorted to name calling apart from you. Is it necessary?

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

Where has this figure of 27 million dead birds come from?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

Why are you personally attacking people? People have agreed or disagreed on this thread, but no one has resorted to name calling apart from you. Is it necessary?"

I think they were referring to the person that said we were heading towards all cats having to be indoors cats or walking them on leads...

Yes in Australia they have now made it law ( I think only certain places) but its to protect the indigenous animals

Cats are not indoors animals

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

"Where has this figure of 27 million dead birds come from?"

The op has spent the last 12 months travelling the uk counting them!

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Being Australian, I have strong feelings about cats being let outdoors, but that's based on their destruction of Australian wildlife.

I think all animals - including humans - can be good or bad, mostly determined by the restraints and training (upbringing and morality) they have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are you personally attacking people? People have agreed or disagreed on this thread, but no one has resorted to name calling apart from you. Is it necessary?

I think they were referring to the person that said we were heading towards all cats having to be indoors cats or walking them on leads...

Yes in Australia they have now made it law ( I think only certain places) but its to protect the indigenous animals

Cats are not indoors animals "

Cats can be kept indoors, with maybe a secure garden area. If you aren't prepared to do that, don't have one. You can't just kick your dogs out the front door all day and night.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Where has this figure of 27 million dead birds come from?"

I saw it on the RSPB web site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m not a fan of cats because they’re arrogant but I don’t think they’re pests. They’re just animals doing animal things.

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"I'm sorry but yes cats are absolutely pets and why would I not want one. Our cat is like our child and I absolutely would do anything for her she is not a pet she is part of the family.

Because it shits all over your neighbour's gardens and will probably kill hundreds if not thousands of birds in it's lifetime. Why do you think that's acceptable?

What are you talking about!

Yep, your cat is completely different to all the other cats. Doesn't shit outside, doesn't kill birds. Doesn't do cat things whatsoever. "

My cat doesn't shit outside, she comes in and uses the litter tray. She's never caught a bird, let alone killed one.

Just because some cats do what you complain about doesn't mean they all do.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Why are you personally attacking people? People have agreed or disagreed on this thread, but no one has resorted to name calling apart from you. Is it necessary?

I think they were referring to the person that said we were heading towards all cats having to be indoors cats or walking them on leads...

Yes in Australia they have now made it law ( I think only certain places) but its to protect the indigenous animals

Cats are not indoors animals "

Some cats are housecats aren't they?

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By *revaunanceCouple
over a year ago

Exeter

"Where has this figure of 27 million dead birds come from?

I saw it on the RSPB web site"

The same site that says:

Despite the large numbers of birds killed by cats in gardens, there is no clear scientific evidence that such mortality is causing bird populations to decline. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds.

We also know that of the millions of baby birds hatched each year, most will die before they reach breeding age. This is also quite natural, and each pair needs only to rear two young that survive to breeding age to replace themselves and maintain the population.

It is likely that most of the birds killed by cats would have died anyway from other causes before the next breeding season, so cats are unlikely to have a major impact on populations.

https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Where has this figure of 27 million dead birds come from?

The op has spent the last 12 months travelling the uk counting them!"

Ah it's you again. Why do you keep misquoting or just blatantly making things up about me? Is my original post about not liking cat shit in my garden and I'd rather see birds than the local cat that controversial you feel the need to?

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By *olvesfunguyMan
over a year ago

WOLVERHAMPTON

"Where has this figure of 27 million dead birds come from?

The op has spent the last 12 months travelling the uk counting them!

Someone needs to get a sense of humour. Oh and a life!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Where has this figure of 27 million dead birds come from?

The op has spent the last 12 months travelling the uk counting them!

Someone needs to get a sense of humour. Oh and a life!

Thanks for that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are you personally attacking people? People have agreed or disagreed on this thread, but no one has resorted to name calling apart from you. Is it necessary?

I think they were referring to the person that said we were heading towards all cats having to be indoors cats or walking them on leads...

Yes in Australia they have now made it law ( I think only certain places) but its to protect the indigenous animals

Cats are not indoors animals

Some cats are housecats aren't they? "

Yes. Ragdolls for instance. My daughter kept a Bengal as a housecat. He could even use the toilet. I always maintain he could have been taught to flush.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman
over a year ago

all loved up

I know some cats are kept indoors but I personally don't think its ideal...

My cats happily roam the local fields... think the farmer doesn't mind the amount of rats and mice they and other cats catch.

I have 4 pedigree cats.... they all happily go out. Of the others 2 never leave the garden....

Yes some think cats should be house cats but i don't agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Who've I judged? 3rd question I've asked you and no doubt you won't reply to this like you didn't to the previous two. I've said I don't like cats shitting in my garden or killing birds."

You mean like you answered my questions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Op I never insulted your life choice to be a Vegan it was an observation that I find lots of Vegans to be very self righteous believing that their way of life is superior to the rest of us. Many examples of vegans steaming into restaurants stopping people having a meal. Also lately deciding no one can drink milk either. Your whole post is condemning cat owners. Apparently Magpies kill vast numbers of young birds and dare say shit on peoples cars too are you going to ask for laws to curb the behaviour of Magpies too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Op I never insulted your life choice to be a Vegan it was an observation that I find lots of Vegans to be very self righteous believing that their way of life is superior to the rest of us. Many examples of vegans steaming into restaurants stopping people having a meal. Also lately deciding no one can drink milk either. Your whole post is condemning cat owners. Apparently Magpies kill vast numbers of young birds and dare say shit on peoples cars too are you going to ask for laws to curb the behaviour of Magpies too. "

Erm nope. Wrong. I've not condemned anyone on this post, not once. I said I find cats are pests then gave my reasons. However you've made a judgement on me, based on the only thing you know about me and a lazy, out of date stereotype. So yeah, I think the comment 'that explains a lot.' Says more about you than it does about me. And again, comparing wild animals, magpies in this instance, to domestic pets is an unusual comparison.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Who've I judged? 3rd question I've asked you and no doubt you won't reply to this like you didn't to the previous two. I've said I don't like cats shitting in my garden or killing birds.

You mean like you answered my questions. "

Ask your question again. I genuinely might have missed them. I'll happily answer if I can. If I can't, I'll be open and honest and explain why I'm struggling to answer it. In the meantime, feel free to answer mine

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS
over a year ago

Lanson

It's a bit of a long looking thread this one with long posts, so for someone with a short attention span I've only read the OP - re: cats shitting in your garden - this stopped for me when I got a jack Russell - maybe it was just a coincidence!

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Why not simply send the shit flying back over into the cat owners garden? A small shovel should do the trick?

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

It is great to have alternative views, they shine a light

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why not simply send the shit flying back over into the cat owners garden? A small shovel should do the trick?"

I actually really like my neighbours. They're lovely people. I just find their cat's habbits a frustrating.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"Why not simply send the shit flying back over into the cat owners garden? A small shovel should do the trick?

I actually really like my neighbours. They're lovely people. I just find their cat's habbits a frustrating. "

Give cats a chance, think of all their owners! Sing with me

Imagine there's no cats

It's easy if you try

No hell below us

Above us, only sky

Imagine all the cats

Living for today

Imagine there's no cats

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for (except anything that looks like prey)

And no religion too

Imagine all the cats, shitting in your...

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

" i regard them as pests... people who love them should be allowed to keep them but only as indoor pets "

I feel the same about children

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Who've I judged? 3rd question I've asked you and no doubt you won't reply to this like you didn't to the previous two. I've said I don't like cats shitting in my garden or killing birds.

You mean like you answered my questions.

You didn't miss them you replied to each one but without actually answering the question in fact you actively avoided it. I don't need to answer your question because you have literally made an assumption. Absolutely no judgement was made you just think it was.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Get a room

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Have a dog had cats in the past you obviously just don’t like cats. With all your concern about this I hope your vegan as nothing on the planet kills any animals like us Humans do

Yep, I'm vegan

That explains a lot

Wow! That comment says more about you than it ever does about me

Does it?

Yep.

What does it say about them?

You actually don't know whether he is judging you, it is an assumption. You have judged me and others on this thread if you don't like being judged maybe don't throw judgements around.

Who've I judged? 3rd question I've asked you and no doubt you won't reply to this like you didn't to the previous two. I've said I don't like cats shitting in my garden or killing birds.

You mean like you answered my questions.

Hahaha brilliant

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?"

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though."

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It wasn't my initial intention, but I can't lie, it has amused me winding some of you up tonight. All respectfully done I may add. No personal attacks or name calling. It was all a bit too easy tbf. Peace. Over and out

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want."

Do you think owning an animal should carry no accountability to the owner, if the animal is creating a problem of significant discomfort to neighbours or others?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want.

Do you think owning an animal should carry no accountability to the owner, if the animal is creating a problem of significant discomfort to neighbours or others?

It really doesn't cause any discomfort though does it. What laws would you like seeing as the op keeps glossing over the question.

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want.

Do you think owning an animal should carry no accountability to the owner, if the animal is creating a problem of significant discomfort to neighbours or others?

It really doesn't cause any discomfort though does it. What laws would you like seeing as the op keeps glossing over the question."

If your cat was being a nuisance, would you own the issue or not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want.

Do you think owning an animal should carry no accountability to the owner, if the animal is creating a problem of significant discomfort to neighbours or others?

It really doesn't cause any discomfort though does it. What laws would you like seeing as the op keeps glossing over the question.

If your cat was being a nuisance, would you own the issue or not? "

And how would you like a cat owner to own that and what would you like them to do about it? Interesting that several people have said similar to you and when asked the same question don't come up with an answer.

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By *an de LyonMan
over a year ago

welling

The devil’s pet. They have no soul

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want.

Do you think owning an animal should carry no accountability to the owner, if the animal is creating a problem of significant discomfort to neighbours or others?

It really doesn't cause any discomfort though does it. What laws would you like seeing as the op keeps glossing over the question.

If your cat was being a nuisance, would you own the issue or not?

If loss / damage to property was evidenced to your cat, that upset or caused loss to your neighbours what would you do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want.

Do you think owning an animal should carry no accountability to the owner, if the animal is creating a problem of significant discomfort to neighbours or others?

It really doesn't cause any discomfort though does it. What laws would you like seeing as the op keeps glossing over the question.

If your cat was being a nuisance, would you own the issue or not?

If loss / damage to property was evidenced to your cat, that upset or caused loss to your neighbours what would you do?

I notice you won't answer the question and that seems to be a common theme.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want.

Do you think owning an animal should carry no accountability to the owner, if the animal is creating a problem of significant discomfort to neighbours or others?

It really doesn't cause any discomfort though does it. What laws would you like seeing as the op keeps glossing over the question.

If your cat was being a nuisance, would you own the issue or not?

If loss / damage to property was evidenced to your cat, that upset or caused loss to your neighbours what would you do?

Some house insurance covers damage caused by pets

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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago

Terra Firma

"OP, just to play devils' advocate for a minute, how would You solve the problem? Euthanase cats?

No. No idea how to solve the problem. I still think they're pests though.

But you want the law changed in relation to cat owners. You must have an idea of what laws you want.

Do you think owning an animal should carry no accountability to the owner, if the animal is creating a problem of significant discomfort to neighbours or others?

It really doesn't cause any discomfort though does it. What laws would you like seeing as the op keeps glossing over the question.

If your cat was being a nuisance, would you own the issue or not?

If loss / damage to property was evidenced to your cat, that upset or caused loss to your neighbours what would you do?

I notice you won't answer the question and that seems to be a common theme. "

You have a cat?

How would you deal with damage or loss to a neighbour? Pretty simple question, or have you not considered the effect your pet may have locally to you?