FabSwingers.com forum: Single Greatest Musician

By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Now this is a test: do we nominate performers, composers, geniuses or people who’ve just left an immense legacy to other musicians or to culture in general? Do we go for musicians with mass appeal or those who actually have exceptional levels of skill and communication?

Do we just go with the famous names or do we ask ourselves if fame is itself a fair measure of musical greatness or not?

As a muso myself, I’m not going to proffer any opinion on this thread but I am going to be looking with interest at your choices, and judging you on your ability to persuasively justify your choices!

Go!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

John Williams.

Composed the music for blockbuster films for decades recieving multiple awards.

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"John Williams.

Composed the music for blockbuster films for decades recieving multiple awards. "

Thank you for kicking off this thread with a well-reasoned and sensible suggestion!

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By *eamworkboyMan
over a year ago

Irvine

Mark Knopfler is right up there I,d say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have to say Dolores Cahill from the cranberries her voice is unique and freddie mercury for same reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amadeus Mozart

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By *aizyWoman
over a year ago

west midlands

Freddie Mercury, the voice, the stage presence, his song writing

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By *dventurous biMan
over a year ago

tesside

Hendrix for the sheer brilliance

Sinatra for longevity

Tchaikovsky for the 1812 Overture alone

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By *ldbutrandyMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

Classical composers such as Mozart have to be up there . Over 2 1/2 centuries and still listened to. I wonder if the same will be said of Taylor Swift in the year 2270..

BTW I'm not Really a classic lover. More into dire straits

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By *og-ManMan
over a year ago

somewhere

Prince....very underrated

Although I love the scores and music of John Williams and Hans Zimmer are they musicians or composers

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"Prince....very underrated

Although I love the scores and music of John Williams and Hans Zimmer are they musicians or composers "

Ha! On which planet is Prince underrated? I think he’s got a humungous following!

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

Great ideas so far although Hendrix is deeply unrated by a retired top bass pro I know for having bugger all technique on the guitar!

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By *orraine999Woman
over a year ago

Somewhere

Davis Foster

He wrote or co wrote songs for Earth, Wind & Fire, Peter Cetera, Chaka Khan. Run To You for the film Body Guard was co written with Whitney Houston and the theme song for St. Elmo’s Fire.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

My Grandad.

Player of all woodwind, but oboe the specialist piece. Founder of bands (on sax, originally). Principal oboe in a well known orchestra. Teacher of woodwind for about 60 years, every penny put to charity. Lots of other things too.

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

It's clearly going to be JS Bach, Mozart or Beethoven. Nobody else comes close.

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over a year ago

"Davis Foster

He wrote or co wrote songs for Earth, Wind & Fire, Peter Cetera, Chaka Khan. Run To You for the film Body Guard was co written with Whitney Houston and the theme song for St. Elmo’s Fire."

Love the st almost fire theme song.

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"My Grandad.

If he happened to be a cellist as well, I knew him when I was a boy! Jock was one of the nicest people I’ve ever met! And a wicked sense of humour! Principal oboeist in the famous Mr. Preview sketch with Morecambe and Wise!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres.

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"It's clearly going to be JS Bach, Mozart or Beethoven. Nobody else comes close. "

In the world on European art music, there’s a very strong case for these three, especially Bach as Mozart and Beethoven were huge admirers of his work. However, we don’t necessarily need to restrict this to western art music. In fact we probably shouldn’t or Bach would probably win hands down!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"My Grandad.

I'm sure he could have made a cello make a decent noise, but he wasn't a string player. Started out as a drummer in the Army, age 14

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres."

Grandad said Mozart

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres."

I have to admit I really like your reasoning! Both are unquestionably top contenders!

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over a year ago

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres.

Grandad said Mozart

He sounds like a remarkable man ( your Grandad, and Mozart obvs). A big influence on you I am sure.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Chopin

Debussy

Scriabin

And if you want to listen to something truly ground-breaking and innovative, You Tube, "Edgard Varèse – Poème électronique (1958)"

You're hearing the beginnings of early electronic music.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres.

Grandad said Mozart

He sounds like a remarkable man ( your Grandad, and Mozart obvs). A big influence on you I am sure.

He was (plus Mozart

) He missed me with the music genes though. They went to my son

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Apologies if the single greatest musician is supposed to be someone everyone has heard of. I've named a now-deceased family member, but I can assure you, he was a well respected classical musician who was well connected and performed around the UK and Europe. And no, I'm not going to name him for obvious reasons.

I'll choose Freddie Mercury instead

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"Chopin

Debussy

Scriabin

And if you want to listen to something truly ground-breaking and innovative, You Tube, "Edgard Varèse – Poème électronique (1958)"

You're hearing the beginnings of early electronic music."

May I briefly interject - his “Ionisation” of 1931 is arguably Varèse’s most celebrated work which, yes, was hugely influential in setting the course for electronic and avant-garde music.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"John Williams.

Composed the music for blockbuster films for decades recieving multiple awards. "

This gets my vote too

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres.

Grandad said Mozart

He sounds like a remarkable man ( your Grandad, and Mozart obvs). A big influence on you I am sure.

Well, from what you write he ranks well with my friend who I will name - Jock Sutcliffe, principal of the Philharmonia for many years and a guru for all the subsequent generations of oboeists in Britain. Klemperer wouldn’t make a recording without him! I’m sure your grandad will have known him, perhaps even studied with him or been a close friend!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres.

Grandad said Mozart

He sounds like a remarkable man ( your Grandad, and Mozart obvs). A big influence on you I am sure.

Jock was quite a few years older and was at Kneller Hall ten years or more before my Grandad. However their careers in music have very great overlap in many ways. Grandad was always based up north.

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres.

Grandad said Mozart

He sounds like a remarkable man ( your Grandad, and Mozart obvs). A big influence on you I am sure.

Jock was quite a few years older and was at Kneller Hall ten years or more before my Grandad. However their careers in music have very great overlap in many ways. Grandad was always based up north."

Yep, everyone in the oboe world knew and loved Jock! An exceptional character and musician. Glad your Grandad knew him! I didn’t realise he had a Kneller Hall connection but I see from Wikipedia he studied principally at RCM on a Kneller Hall scholarship!

Small world!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres.

Grandad said Mozart

He sounds like a remarkable man ( your Grandad, and Mozart obvs). A big influence on you I am sure.

Jock was quite a few years older and was at Kneller Hall ten years or more before my Grandad. However their careers in music have very great overlap in many ways. Grandad was always based up north.

Small world!

Kneller was the Army music school, so anyone who joined the army band will have studied there. Grandad joined at 14 in 1945 and ended up in Italy as the war was ending. There's also a mirror with the "big band" playing sax as a career step too. Whether coincidence or not, I don't know.

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"Of all music? JS Bach. I read once they put his music in a long range space rocket in case other life discovered it, and someone said that was just showing off.

In modern times, Quincy Jones. A total maestro musician, composer, arranger and producer across many genres.

Grandad said Mozart

He sounds like a remarkable man ( your Grandad, and Mozart obvs). A big influence on you I am sure.

Jock was quite a few years older and was at Kneller Hall ten years or more before my Grandad. However their careers in music have very great overlap in many ways. Grandad was always based up north.

Small world!

Super! Big band stuff was fun! My wife grew up in Bedford where Glenn Miller was before his death and a good friend was in the Syd Lawrence Orchestra!

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By *0ckerMan
over a year ago

Newtownards

John Philip Sousa (1854 - 1932) must be up there with the likes of Mozart and J.S.Bach.

For anyone who doesn't recognize the name, John Sousa composed some of the most famous military marches of all time. His music is in thousands of films and played by school and marching bands all over the world.

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By *ingle ex cuckMan
over a year ago

chester

Great question

Think most of the older generation have answered

I'm old too

However looking at the bigger picture

And your answer is an Australian

Jason Donovan

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

May I briefly interject - his “Ionisation” of 1931 is arguably Varèse’s most celebrated work which, yes, was hugely influential in setting the course for electronic and avant-garde music."

Thank you for that. I'm still learning about Vare`se and that was a new experience for me. Just found a very good YT of this (Juan March Foundation Assembly Hall).

It's an incredible work for its time. Even viewed through a contemporary lens.

Because you appreciate the evolution of sound by listening to the past.

I wonder what he would have made of the electronic scene in general and experimental artists in that field in particular. I like to think he would have found some resonance.

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By *hilledGuyClactonMan
over a year ago

Little clacton

Rory Gallagher,was the greatest ever guitarist

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I'm gonna chuck Jeff Lynne into the ring, brilliant songwriter and musician

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands

Bob Dylan

So many songs for so many performers.

On a classical theme I go with Karl Jenkins.

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By *edwing68Man
over a year ago

Chatham

David Guilmor Jimmy Hendrix comes to mind

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By *orksRockerMan
over a year ago

Bradford

I'm going to add Trent Reznor to the list. Not only is he a multi-instrumetalist and a great song writer, but he's now branching into score composition and doing a damn fine job of that too getting plaudits and recognition.

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over a year ago

Harry Mack

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

Eddie Van Halen. Only guitarist who inspired a generation and changed the way a guitar would be played since Hendrix.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Buddy Holly, for pioneering rock n roll and for recording absolutely immense songs

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

I’m going to give a shout out for the man who changed bass guitar playing forever by developing it as a solo instrument in its own right and was, beforehand, a good drummer: the one and only Jaco Pastorius!

The other contender is Stevie Wonder, whose name rests on the fact he was an outsanding multi-instrumentalist in spite of his blindness from a very young age!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Eddie Van Halen. Only guitarist who inspired a generation and changed the way a guitar would be played since Hendrix. "

I would agree. Eddie was a truly unique talent.

MrWho.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

"Freddie Mercury, the voice, the stage presence, his song writing"

Pffft!

Dolly Parton has all that and way better song writing credentials.

Well over 3000 known credits and even wrote Jolene & I will always love you on the same day....

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By *oeofsussex OP Man
over a year ago

Eastbourne

"Freddie Mercury, the voice, the stage presence, his song writing

Pffft!

Dolly Parton has all that and way better song writing credentials.

Well over 3000 known credits and even wrote Jolene & I will always love you on the same day.... "

I never realised that stage presence and song writing were Dolly Parton’s two greatest assets!

(•) (•)

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

Greatest ever? Impossible to say.

These guys were pretty good at what they did though.

Holst

Ralph Vaughan Williams

Frank Zappa

Bob Dylan

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By *ild_oatsMan
over a year ago

the land of saints & sinners

It’s almost impossible to nominate as many musicians from all genres have merit.

As music taste and opinion is so subjective you probably never find an agreement on this matter.

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By *picMan
over a year ago

Petworth

Elvis

Little Richard

Eddie Cochran

Buddy Holly all from the early days of rock n roll

Burt Bacharach as a composer

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By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol

"Elvis

Little Richard

Eddie Cochran

Buddy Holly all from the early days of rock n roll

Burt Bacharach as a composer

Bacharach, very good shout, annoyed I didn't think of him

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By *ad boy maverickMan
over a year ago

basildon

When you think about it there are so many influential musicians. Lennon and McCartney, dare I mention Billy Joel . ( who was heavily influenced by classical music. )

Here's one Harrying Belefonte ?

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By *picMan
over a year ago

Petworth

I think Robert Johnson deserves a mention

So many musicians have been influenced by his music

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By *wingin CatMan
over a year ago

London

John Barry.

Started off in the mid-50s as a bandleader and vocalist, formed The John Barry Seven from 1958 - 1963, and went on to compose and conduct musical scores for several well-known movies.

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By *rinity_crossTV/TS
over a year ago

uttlesford, Essex

Anton Newcombe

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

"Freddie Mercury, the voice, the stage presence, his song writing

Pffft!

Dolly Parton has all that and way better song writing credentials.

Well over 3000 known credits and even wrote Jolene & I will always love you on the same day....

I never realised that stage presence and song writing were Dolly Parton’s two greatest assets!

(•) (•)

She's actually bloody fantastic live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Have to say Dolores Cahill from the cranberries her voice is unique and freddie mercury for same reason."

Dolores O'Riordan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prince.

That is the answer you’re looking for.

The greatest of all time is Prince. End. Of. Thread.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Ha! On which planet is Prince underrated? I think he’s got a humungous following! "

On every planet!

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Bob Dylan

So many songs for so many performers.

On a classical theme I go with Karl Jenkins."

Finally! YES!

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

Beethoven, without a shadow of doubt.10/10

I'd also rate Chopin very highly (8/10)

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By *iveitliveMan
over a year ago

kilmarnock

Depends on your definition of musician. Composer yes possibly, but we don’t know how good he was at performing. It’s like someone saying elvis is the best even though he never wrote his own music.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
over a year ago

Border of London

"Depends on your definition of musician. Composer yes possibly, but we don’t know how good he was at performing... "

We absolutely do! He was a virtuoso who could also improvise competitively. It's recorded (historically, not musically) and well known.

https://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/daniel-steibelt/

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By *parrow77Man
over a year ago

cheshire

Trent reznor nine inch nails

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By *iveitliveMan
over a year ago

kilmarnock

"Depends on your definition of musician. Composer yes possibly, but we don’t know how good he was at performing...

We absolutely do! He was a virtuoso who could also improvise competitively. It's recorded (historically, not musically) and well known.

https://www.classicfm.com/composers/beethoven/guides/daniel-steibelt/"

It’s all subjective when you depend on historical accounts. Witnesses can be swayed by public opinion ask any 14 year old girl in the nineties who the best ever singer is and it’ll be someone from a boyband.

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By *heLaserGuyMan
over a year ago

Coventry

I'll throw Roger Waters into the ring.

Main driving force behind Pink Floyds success. Lyric writing on another level, has proved he doesn't need Gilmours guitar to thrive, his solo career has and still is flourishing.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

Gary Barlow. Yes he originated from a boy band. But he has skills. He writes some beautiful songs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hans Zimmer

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Burt Bacharach

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By *eard and BoobsCouple
over a year ago

Portstewart

Barber for his adigo for strings has been paired with so many amazing film scenes and even made into an old school house music track

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Roger Waters (pink floyd)

78 years old and doing his final tour this year.

I am going to both his shows in Glasgow this June.

He is a pure music genius.

Resist.

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By *hogun300Man
over a year ago

Dundee

Jim Morrison was so far ahead of his time, songwriting and predicting how music would be in the future

Front men, Axl Rose and Freddy Mercury.

Guitar, Angus Young, Slash, Knopfler, Jimmy Page.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

Chuck Berry, based solely on the breadth of people who made it to the top and say he was an influence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

brain wilson..12 studio albums by the time he was 21..

hal blaine..the most recorded drummer in history.played on countless records over the 50's ,60's ,70's and 80's...started of as elvis's drummer

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

I would say Jimi Hendrix redefined how a guitar should be played. Decent singer and songwriter also. Most if not all guitarists would mention him as being an influence.

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago

milton keynes

"Prince.

That is the answer you’re looking for.

The greatest of all time is Prince. End. Of. Thread."

Prince was a clever man as he said

"Be careful using the internet, it's cool to get on the computer and use it but don't let the computer use you .. you all saw the matrix.. there's a battle going on with our thoughts and feelings and controlling our mind.. and the prize is your soul"

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By *ldbutrandyMan
over a year ago

West Midlands

"Hans Zimmer

For the invention of his frame?

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By *d59michelleTV/TS
over a year ago

walsall

"Rory Gallagher,was the greatest ever guitarist

He was my favourite better than the boring bloke who's last decent stuff was with Cream

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

Burt Bacharach, saw him live once and it was the best concert I’d ever attended. His music alongside Hal David’s Lyrics have followed me throughout my life.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Hans Zimmer

For the invention of his frame?"

Apparently, he wrote Elton's 'I'm Still Standing.'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prince 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

BB King.

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By *alvin.Man
over a year ago

Cork/Dublin

Composer...Ennio Morricone.

Singer...Ella Fitzgerald

Entertainer...Elvis

Musician...les Dawson

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By *ustincider888Man
over a year ago

Preston Ish

Freddie had everything

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By *skyouneverknowMan
over a year ago

Calne

Dolly Parton - brilliant songwriter and performer

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