FabSwingers.com forum: 7 out of 10 pubs wont make it.

By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I read an article about it, that about 70% of pubs are unlikely to survive the soaring cost of living crisis this winter, what do you think of it and can anything be done to save them, also is your pub still left? I hope that they will survive it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shut them down if they don’t sell food or hot drinks

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

I’m surprised any pubs are still going. It must be so stressful running one at the moment, especially when still trying to recover from the effects of Covid as with all businesses.

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By *llaandGCouple
over a year ago

London

My local has just shut down, which is especially galling as they ran a crowdfunder to support them (and got a council grant to make up the shortfall) and they've still shut up shop.

Too many pubs think they're going to be the next Hand and Flowers rather than just doing the basic bits right.

Hopefully it will be resurrected (there was talk about making it a community pub.....)

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't think anything can be done to save businesses that wi inevitably go under this winter. It's awful for the individuals involved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pubs are struggling more than ever now because os staff shortages. This is by far the biggest impact affecting the hospitality industry at the moment. Many are simply unable to open because there are no chefs and no front of house team.

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

The pub I go to is national trust so i imagine it will survive

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Pubs are struggling more than ever now because os staff shortages. This is by far the biggest impact affecting the hospitality industry at the moment. Many are simply unable to open because there are no chefs and no front of house team. "

Bit of a mess, post brexit and covid and now with a cost of living crisis plus rising energy costs it's looking bad for many such establishments and the small business sector..

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Bit of a mess, post brexit and covid and now with a cost of living crisis plus rising energy costs it's looking bad for many such establishments and the small business sector.."

Not forgetting the punters too. Such a mess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The sock arms will always be open

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Very true.

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By *ig_eric_tionMan
over a year ago

IPSWICH

Most pubs fail due to poor management. I've seen failing pubs become successful and vice versa simply by changing the people in charge.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Bit of a mess, post brexit and covid and now with a cost of living crisis plus rising energy costs it's looking bad for many such establishments and the small business sector..

Not forgetting the punters too. Such a mess"

Already happening that footfall is down, cap is announced tomorrow I think and that will hit the bank holiday maybe..

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

My local is still open, not really sure how they are surviving. Sometimes they are shut by 9. Another one us reopening tomorrow after a complete refurb having been taken over by Green King. Fingers crossed it was worth the investment

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By *layTimeEssexCouple
over a year ago

Stansted

It’s a bit like department stores. People are sad when the close but don’t and spend money in them very often. Guilty here too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those with managers will stay those with landlords tied to a brewery will shut because of the greedy brewery owners

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"Those with managers will stay those with landlords tied to a brewery will shut because of the greedy brewery owners "

The lady who has taken over our village pub used to have an independent in the next village, she shut that down because her utilities bills were going up to £8000 a month!

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By *urls and DressesWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere near here

I wish my local would shut down, then some new owners come in and put it back to how it was.

Local restaurant has just announced it’s closure, I’m devastated for the family

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The british way of life is getting destroyed by rich people

We need bane

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By *gent CoulsonMan
over a year ago

Secret hideaway in the pennines

Lockdown was just another nail in the hospitality industry, banks and finance institutions won't lend to this sector anymore.

The financial package that was put in place during lockdown didn't even scratch the surface of the outgoings.

Wet sales only pubs will still be here, more so in local communities, but I believe they will be fewer in number

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Those with managers will stay those with landlords tied to a brewery will shut because of the greedy brewery owners

The lady who has taken over our village pub used to have an independent in the next village, she shut that down because her utilities bills were going up to £8000 a month!"
totally understand we shut are family one just as lockdown started my kids didn't want to run it to much hassle my parents retired still live there but breweries have a lot to do with closures a truly independent one as a better chance of survival.

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

One local pub tried a more "up market" look. They soon went back to the more traditional look and having live music.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"I’m surprised any pubs are still going. It must be so stressful running one at the moment, especially when still trying to recover from the effects of Covid as with all businesses.

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Yes me too and yes, it must be very stressful at this time, lets hope that they can survive this winter out too

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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago

Reading

The area where I have lived all my life. Used to have around 12+ pubs within a one mile radius that I been in. Now there are 3 . The rest are now either, shops, flats or houses. This on council / private housing estate. Which is large. They all shut before covid. So not new. Mainly shut due to price of beer etc going up.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"My local has just shut down, which is especially galling as they ran a crowdfunder to support them (and got a council grant to make up the shortfall) and they've still shut up shop.

Too many pubs think they're going to be the next Hand and Flowers rather than just doing the basic bits right.

Hopefully it will be resurrected (there was talk about making it a community pub.....)

G"
Yes. I think so too, lets hope that pub will get back to how it was

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By *aleforfun22Man
over a year ago

Lancashire

Will there be anything left in ten years time pubs closing shops closing it's a sad world we live in now.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"I read an article about it, that about 70% of pubs are unlikely to survive the soaring cost of living crisis this winter, what do you think of it and can anything be done to save them, also is your pub still left? I hope that they will survive it

Go back to the old licensing hours. Ban companies like Deliveroo etc - nobody needs to get a pizza, a burger, or a fucking sandwich delivered to their home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Our local has reduced hours and they are struggling, we will be surprised if they last much longer, we will be gutted if it does, it's a great place and it's nice to see people. The cost of even just a midweek drink is getting silly now though.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Go back to the old licensing hours. Ban companies like Deliveroo etc - nobody needs to get a pizza, a burger, or a fucking sandwich delivered to their home. "

Maybe amazon can deliver their pint, their music, their friends and their social experience to them too.

The future is.... Delivered to your home.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Go back to the old licensing hours. Ban companies like Deliveroo etc - nobody needs to get a pizza, a burger, or a fucking sandwich delivered to their home.

Maybe amazon can deliver their pint, their music, their friends and their social experience to them too.

The future is.... Delivered to your home. "

Sadly, I think you could be right. Lord help us all.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Go back to the old licensing hours. Ban companies like Deliveroo etc - nobody needs to get a pizza, a burger, or a fucking sandwich delivered to their home.

Maybe amazon can deliver their pint, their music, their friends and their social experience to them too.

The future is.... Delivered to your home.

Sadly, I think you could be right. Lord help us all. "

A national "put your devices down day" once a year would be a good sanity check for us all.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"The pub I go to is national trust so i imagine it will survive"
That is good, it will survive too

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Way before this energy crisis they were in trouble.

“New research suggests the total number of pubs in England and Wales is down 7,000 on a decade ago at 40,000.” Business live .com

Hospitality under a lot of pressure, energy, higher business rates, paying back covid loans, higher interest rates, workplace pension contributions, higher national insurance contributions, inflation/stock prices and more people spending less

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I've read a lot of stories of takeaways, pubs, etc, shutting abruptly because their utility bills have gone up so much.

It's going to be grim for a lot of industries

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By *d59michelleTV/TS
over a year ago

walsall

Read a prediction of beer costing £14 a pint by 2025 that'll kill any pubs who survive the current crisis if it happens

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By *oubleswing2019Man
over a year ago

Colchester

"Read a prediction of beer costing £14 a pint by 2025 that'll kill any pubs who survive the current crisis if it happens "

I think there are some already charging that and a lot more in some urban city pubs.

Not that I've been in any since lockdown started, or even since lockdown ended because...people.

Someone further up the thread commented about Deliveroo doing pints.

That's actually not a bad idea.

I get everything else online, even before Covid began. Not been in a physical shop for over 3 years I would estimate. I've saved countless hours and pennies shopping mindfully and discerningly online.

There is nothing I've not needed that couldn't be found online.

Put it another way, 200 orders with AZ in 2021. Assume each order would have taken me 1 hour to get in the car, drive to the shops, and hope to find said item for an acceptable price. That's 8.33 whole days time saved doing it a home. Or 4 and a bit weekends. A month of weekends. Spent physically shopping both Sat and Sun.

Physical shopping is an archaic inconvenience for some of us, myself included.

I don't browse online. I already know what I want before I open the browser. I just need to find a supplier.

Online all the way

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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago

Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove

My local is a dump and charges over £4 a pint.

I can taxi into town and back, have a better session, pay half as much per drink at Wetherspoons, for the same cost as a night at my local Greene King

Pubs should look at their prices before whining as to whether they’ll make it through the next few months

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By *layTimeEssexCouple
over a year ago

Stansted

Go back to the old licensing hours. Ban companies like Deliveroo etc - nobody needs to get a pizza, a burger, or a fucking sandwich delivered to their home. "

Not sure if you are just taking the piss but many people would much prefer to have this than the option of going to a pub. If you don't want to order food or shopping online then don't but let others do what they want to do.

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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago

Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove

"Read a prediction of beer costing £14 a pint by 2025 that'll kill any pubs who survive the current crisis if it happens

I think there are some already charging that and a lot more in some urban city pubs.

Not that I've been in any since lockdown started, or even since lockdown ended because...people.

Someone further up the thread commented about Deliveroo doing pints.

That's actually not a bad idea.

There is nothing I've not needed that couldn't be found online.

Physical shopping is an archaic inconvenience for some of us, myself included.

I don't browse online. I already know what I want before I open the browser. I just need to find a supplier.

Online all the way

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I’m with you on that

I don’t go to shops so no spur of the moment purchases or getting sucked into buying whatever is on special offer

I used Asda click and collect, reorder the same stuff every 2 weeks and pop over to pick it up. Takes 40 mins max and I’m back with the boot full of shopping for the next few weeks

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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago

Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove

Go back to the old licensing hours. Ban companies like Deliveroo etc - nobody needs to get a pizza, a burger, or a fucking sandwich delivered to their home. "

What utter bollocks

I have an autoimmune condition and other medical issues. Some days I can barely walk and struggle to talk.

The only way I can have a hot meal is getting one delivered or going out for a meal which depending on how my health is on a certain day isn’t easy

Delivery services for meals is serving people who cannot go out and buy their food for whatever reason

I certainly wouldn’t drive somewhere to pick up a takeaway when it’s cheaper to pay delivery charges and have it dropped off at the door

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've worked in and around pubs on and off since I was 18, pubs need to be the centre of the community, needs to be more than the place people go to get d*unk.

We have 3 pubs where I live, 1 is totally food oriented and does make drinkers feel unwelcome, 1 is more a hotel and the staff are pig ignorant to customers and now usually closed by 9.00pm. And last (Where I drink) used to be pretty dingy, tied to a company that did zero investment and put in managers that don't give a fuck. Since been bought, now a free house and had a lot of time and money put into to spruce it up and turn it into a pub that is busy most every night and actively encourages people/groups that don't usually go to pubs to come in.

That's what pub a needs to do to survive.

Sadly the pub trade has had a perfect storm of Covid and now spiralling cost. Since Covid everyone has learned they can have a good time, for less, at home. Since Covid pubs have suffered with staffing because thier casual barstaff found jobs elsewhere when pub a were shut (add Brexit to that where most waiting staff were eastern European now all gone home). Now rising costs mean beer prices are rising and people are having less money to spend in a pub, so punters are dwindling.

A lot of pubs are going to close, the government are and will do nothing to save them - why would the government step in, they don't want people gathering in numbers, talking to eachother, they want us shut in our homes not talking to each other being spoon fed the propaganda they feed us. Look at history, where do most revolutions start, either with a Union or from a group of people who met in a pub.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

Will sex clubs go the same way? Just dial a dick or pussy, depending on what you fancy that evening after your dial a dinner after a long day working from home.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Go back to the old licensing hours. Ban companies like Deliveroo etc - nobody needs to get a pizza, a burger, or a fucking sandwich delivered to their home.

What utter bollocks

I have an autoimmune condition and other medical issues. Some days I can barely walk and struggle to talk.

The only way I can have a hot meal is getting one delivered or going out for a meal which depending on how my health is on a certain day isn’t easy

Delivery services for meals is serving people who cannot go out and buy their food for whatever reason

I certainly wouldn’t drive somewhere to pick up a takeaway when it’s cheaper to pay delivery charges and have it dropped off at the door"

Of course it’s not bollocks. You don’t think for a minute do you that these apps & businesses were set up to aid people with medical / health issues.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Go back to the old licensing hours. Ban companies like Deliveroo etc - nobody needs to get a pizza, a burger, or a fucking sandwich delivered to their home.

Not taking the piss at all. How much effort does it take to shop or pick up a takeaway? Or dare I say it, cook something?

Tens of thousands of young men cycling to deliver food to lazy bastards is just not right.

They could retrain to fill shortages elsewhere.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Will sex clubs go the same way? Just dial a dick or pussy, depending on what you fancy that evening after your dial a dinner after a long day working from home.

I have met some wonderful people in pubs. Humans are social beings. Stuck in my house and glued to a phone is my idea of hell. It’s like living in the matrix. No wonder anti depressants are so widely used these days."
Yes. I think that they are the next one, mire so cos of the high entrance fees they have.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"Will sex clubs go the same way? Just dial a dick or pussy, depending on what you fancy that evening after your dial a dinner after a long day working from home.

I have met some wonderful people in pubs. Humans are social beings. Stuck in my house and glued to a phone is my idea of hell. It’s like living in the matrix. No wonder anti depressants are so widely used these days.Yes. I think that they are the next one, mire so cos of the high entrance fees they have."
More so*.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Pubs traditionally excluded half the population - women. Women do not usually even today go for a drink in a pub alone.

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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

"I don't think anything can be done to save businesses that wi inevitably go under this winter. It's awful for the individuals involved

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You might be right there, it started already way back whith the lockdowns, lets hope for the best for them

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By *layTimeEssexCouple
over a year ago

Stansted

"Will sex clubs go the same way? Just dial a dick or pussy, depending on what you fancy that evening after your dial a dinner after a long day working from home.

In Japan they used to have a service much as you describe called "Delivery Health"

Bit more expensive than Deliveroo mind. Saying that there are website available already if that is what you fancy. Prosittution hasn't stopped sex/swinging clubs flourishing. The recession might put a big dent mind you as not cheap.

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By *layTimeEssexCouple
over a year ago

Stansted

"I don't think anything can be done to save businesses that wi inevitably go under this winter. It's awful for the individuals involved

You might be right there, it started already way back whith the lockdowns, lets hope for the best for them

Problems for pubs started way before that. Been going on a long time as long term trend for people to go to them less, buy booze from supermarkets and then moan when their local pub closes despite not going there much

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

"Read a prediction of beer costing £14 a pint by 2025 that'll kill any pubs who survive the current crisis if it happens

I think there are some already charging that and a lot more in some urban city pubs.

Not that I've been in any since lockdown started, or even since lockdown ended because...people.

Someone further up the thread commented about Deliveroo doing pints.

That's actually not a bad idea.

There is nothing I've not needed that couldn't be found online.

Physical shopping is an archaic inconvenience for some of us, myself included.

I don't browse online. I already know what I want before I open the browser. I just need to find a supplier.

Online all the way

Plus you can save a fortune on clothes and personal hygiene products by not going out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Will sex clubs go the same way? Just dial a dick or pussy, depending on what you fancy that evening after your dial a dinner after a long day working from home."

That's called an escort.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Pubs traditionally excluded half the population - women. Women do not usually even today go for a drink in a pub alone. "

You want to pick better pubs if that's the case. My 3 locals women go in alone regularly, it's all down to the pub, who runs it and the clientele.

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By *TK421-Man
over a year ago

Cheltenham

I've just looked on the BBC website and its got this UK inflation rate calculator to see how worse off you are.

One of the figures it shows an average for is eating and drinking out... £285 a month for the average household!!!!

Well I can't see that remaining that high with everything going up.

While I will hate to see them close I don't know how people can afford to spend like that!

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Heard it all before. Record numbers of pubs closing for years, but record numbers opening too…. Innovators and risk takers will always see opportunities , even in recessions

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Brewdog have just opened what I believe is the biggest pub in the UK at Waterloo. Capacity just under 2000.

I’m off to my local tap room in a bit. Capacity, about 10 sitting and another 10 standing.

Good beer at about £3.50 a pint. Good chat too.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Pubs traditionally excluded half the population - women. Women do not usually even today go for a drink in a pub alone.

You want to pick better pubs if that's the case. My 3 locals women go in alone regularly, it's all down to the pub, who runs it and the clientele. "

I'm not sure women even today will go into a pub they don't know, order a drink and sit inside like men do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone who owns & consults on bars / pubs…

I did do a huge editorial on this.. Conclusion: the only way pubs will survive the next 2 years is by

cutting as many overheads as possible

I’ve actively removed 25k in annual overheads in the past month, that’s 50-60k less I need to go through my till per year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Used to go pubs clubs in Liverpool Widnes Runcorn price back then was well cheaper

Went for 1 pint while out walking my doggie he had cornetto lol

5.20 a pint pubs have got overheads I know this but a lot will close Down which is shame

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Used to go pubs clubs in Liverpool Widnes Runcorn price back then was well cheaper

Went for 1 pint while out walking my doggie he had cornetto lol

5.20 a pint pubs have got overheads I know this but a lot will close Down which is shame

Fair enough, but let’s break that down…

30l keg of Lager = £90 ex vat

That’s 52 pints, 48 when you take into account wastage and line cleaning… = £1.87 a pint cost

Vat = 85p

That’s a profit of £2.28

Whilst in the pub your personal use … the serving staff, glass cleaning, the water in the toilet visit most people have, the electric for the hand dryer, the soap, the cleaning of your table…

Then there is the costs people don’t see, heating, ac, cleaners, licences, accountants, corporation tax, rent, business rates, electricity… the list is pretty much endless

Don’t blame the publican for the price of a pint, blame the government… every 52 pints @ 5.10 sold raises funds of £47.90 in beer duty and vat alone

Pubs contribute 23bn to the UK’s GDP and 13bn in Tax revenue. Which is roughly the budget for running the entire police force for England & Wales

Pubs … the cornerstone of the British economy, culture and history.

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By *ebjonnsonMan
over a year ago

Maldon

Can we get rid of some of the awful national chains of restaurants and pubs, with the exception of Greene King as my daughter works for them.

Let the hospitality industry be run by independents. We do seem to have far more national chains in the UK compared to other European countries.

I’d also leave McDonald’s as I quite like it as a guilty treat once a month and I find their toilets to be very convenient when I’m out and about.

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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago

Finedon ,

"Used to go pubs clubs in Liverpool Widnes Runcorn price back then was well cheaper

Went for 1 pint while out walking my doggie he had cornetto lol

5.20 a pint pubs have got overheads I know this but a lot will close Down which is shame

Fair enough, but let’s break that down…

30l keg of Lager = £90 ex vat

That’s 52 pints, 48 when you take into account wastage and line cleaning… = £1.87 a pint cost

Vat = 85p

That’s a profit of £2.28

Whilst in the pub your personal use … the serving staff, glass cleaning, the water in the toilet visit most people have, the electric for the hand dryer, the soap, the cleaning of your table…

Then there is the costs people don’t see, heating, ac, cleaners, licences, accountants, corporation tax, rent, business rates, electricity… the list is pretty much endless

Don’t blame the publican for the price of a pint, blame the government… every 52 pints @ 5.10 sold raises funds of £47.90 in beer duty and vat alone

Pubs contribute 23bn to the UK’s GDP and 13bn in Tax revenue. Which is roughly the budget for running the entire police force for England & Wales

Pubs … the cornerstone of the British economy, culture and history.

Spot on.

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By *ece_himCouple
over a year ago

Merseyside

Cynic in me says the Gov will assist organisations like Weatherspoons in buying out failing pubs. That will be the relief offered, no bailouts or loans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And today I closed one of my pubs… it’s less of a loss to close its doors than to open it

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

What about wine bars? Are they even still a thing?

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By *hesblokeMan
over a year ago

Derbyshire village

It's a damn shame. Also feel for owners of any small business like cafés and such, a mate of mine is considering opening one soon!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably 7/10 independent businesses will go to the wall.

I fear for my friends that have businesses. My own was decimated, and closed up for good, thanks to the shocking Covid mismanagement strategies.

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By *lym4realCouple
over a year ago

plymouth

Sad if it does come to pass as yet another blow to town/cities and most of rural area's as they've already lost their post offices/banks and shops ?? and the only thing is to look at the bitter irony in the fact that the sound bites of yesteryear ..coalition of chaos..strong and stable and of course the other party would bankrupt the country and most of all crash the economy ??.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about wine bars? Are they even still a thing?"

Only in Parliament. Freeee

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

It is a tragedy on many levels. Economic, social and personal for the business owners who through no fault of their own find themselves in this quagmire.

Of course, no one in a position of power will mention the real causes behind this

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