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"Odd comparison Tom!" Odd why? | |||
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"Is this the elephant in the fab room... It appears that men should not comment on women who menstruate. If that is true then should women not comment on male matters of erectile dysfunction... ?" Why not include the question "or should they man up?" Tom? You felt it appropriate to add that to your thread on athlete's menstrual cycles. Why the difference? | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why?" Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. | |||
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"Is this the elephant in the fab room... It appears that men should not comment on women who menstruate. If that is true then should women not comment on male matters of erectile dysfunction... ? Why not include the question "or should they man up?" Tom? You felt it appropriate to add that to your thread on athlete's menstrual cycles. Why the difference?" Ah the athlete one!! I didn’t read all that. | |||
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"Is this the elephant in the fab room... It appears that men should not comment on women who menstruate. If that is true then should women not comment on male matters of erectile dysfunction... ? Why not include the question "or should they man up?" Tom? You felt it appropriate to add that to your thread on athlete's menstrual cycles. Why the difference?" Not you again.. | |||
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"Is this the elephant in the fab room... It appears that men should not comment on women who menstruate. If that is true then should women not comment on male matters of erectile dysfunction... ? Why not include the question "or should they man up?" Tom? You felt it appropriate to add that to your thread on athlete's menstrual cycles. Why the difference? Not you again.." Why not just answer the question? | |||
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"Is this the elephant in the fab room... It appears that men should not comment on women who menstruate. If that is true then should women not comment on male matters of erectile dysfunction... ? Why not include the question "or should they man up?" Tom? You felt it appropriate to add that to your thread on athlete's menstrual cycles. Why the difference? Ah the athlete one!! I didn’t read all that. " Don't blame you.. it was hijacked by bores | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why?" Soft topic | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. " They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr"  . Oh dear! Actually I remember the sanitary one. I’ve been really good lately. I’ve been staying out of those kind of threads  | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. " Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr" Tom will make a reporter out of you yet...  | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. " Obtuse? What angle where they coming from ? | |||
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"Is this the elephant in the fab room... It appears that men should not comment on women who menstruate. If that is true then should women not comment on male matters of erectile dysfunction... ?" Well as its all their fault for not doing it right... (too much?) | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr" You are not reporting it accurately though. The only time objections have been made have been when men have tried to dismiss the issue or suggest it is a non issue. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. Obtuse? What angle where they coming from ?" TOM DONE A JOKE | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. Obtuse? What angle where they coming from ?" 180°. Most were in a parallel universe. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. " No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. " Oh you hadn't read the thread properly but thought you would bring something into this thread from another one that you haven't actually read? | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. Oh you hadn't read the thread properly but thought you would bring something into this thread from another one that you haven't actually read? "Yes. Yes I did. That ok? Or should I have checked with you first? | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. " Mostly by the hysterical who see the word menstruate in a post and immediately are outraged.. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. Oh you hadn't read the thread properly but thought you would bring something into this thread from another one that you haven't actually read?
Yes. Yes I did. That ok? Or should I have checked with you first?"I just think it's rather provocative. If you had read either of those threads you would have had a better understanding as why some people objected to some of the comments mainly made by men. | |||
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"He just reports the news then people get themselves mad then other people get mad that they’re mad and it’s madception and he’s literally just reporting the news " He is. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. Oh you hadn't read the thread properly but thought you would bring something into this thread from another one that you haven't actually read?
Yes. Yes I did. That ok? Or should I have checked with you first?
I just think it's rather provocative. If you had read either of those threads you would have had a better understanding as why some people objected to some of the comments mainly made by men. "Provocative? Jesus I only popped on here for 5 minutes before I went to bed. I’ll leave you to argue with someone else I’m really not in the mood. Night all x | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. Oh you hadn't read the thread properly but thought you would bring something into this thread from another one that you haven't actually read?
Yes. Yes I did. That ok? Or should I have checked with you first?
I just think it's rather provocative. If you had read either of those threads you would have had a better understanding as why some people objected to some of the comments mainly made by men. "Dunno if I’m reading it right, but you seem provocative right now She says she didnt like the idea on the other thread that men shouldn’t have an opinion. That’s all And your suddenly very aggressive? What’s up, if Tomd threads have upset you made take a break from the forum? | |||
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"He just reports the news then people get themselves mad then other people get mad that they’re mad and it’s madception and he’s literally just reporting the news " No, he doesn't report the news. He selectively paraphrases things found in some media outlets, without sharing the source, often with a spin put on it. The ones on animals can be considered silly/amusing perhaps but when it's about something that has a real impact on people's lives, it does get the hackles up. | |||
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"He just reports the news then people get themselves mad then other people get mad that they’re mad and it’s madception and he’s literally just reporting the news No, he doesn't report the news. He selectively paraphrases things found in some media outlets, without sharing the source, often with a spin put on it. The ones on animals can be considered silly/amusing perhaps but when it's about something that has a real impact on people's lives, it does get the hackles up. " Well I like his news | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. Oh you hadn't read the thread properly but thought you would bring something into this thread from another one that you haven't actually read?
Yes. Yes I did. That ok? Or should I have checked with you first?
I just think it's rather provocative. If you had read either of those threads you would have had a better understanding as why some people objected to some of the comments mainly made by men.
Dunno if I’m reading it right, but you seem provocative right now
She says she didnt like the idea on the other thread that men shouldn’t have an opinion. That’s all
And your suddenly very aggressive? What’s up, if Tomd threads have upset you made take a break from the forum? "Seeing as it was a comment that I made but taken out of context and brought into another thread I had every right to comment. I'm not angry I am simply highlighting quite a bit of hypocrisy. I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. | |||
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"He just reports the news then people get themselves mad then other people get mad that they’re mad and it’s madception and he’s literally just reporting the news No, he doesn't report the news. He selectively paraphrases things found in some media outlets, without sharing the source, often with a spin put on it. The ones on animals can be considered silly/amusing perhaps but when it's about something that has a real impact on people's lives, it does get the hackles up. Well I like his news " Which is wonderful for you | |||
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"He just reports the news then people get themselves mad then other people get mad that they’re mad and it’s madception and he’s literally just reporting the news He is. " Except this time it seems. What's going on here people? | |||
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"He just reports the news then people get themselves mad then other people get mad that they’re mad and it’s madception and he’s literally just reporting the news No, he doesn't report the news. He selectively paraphrases things found in some media outlets, without sharing the source, often with a spin put on it. The ones on animals can be considered silly/amusing perhaps but when it's about something that has a real impact on people's lives, it does get the hackles up. " Not you again... | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. Actually Nora that's not what was said. If you had read the abortion thread you would know there were men on there that were deliberately being obtuse and that is what I was referring to. If you are going to quote something I said from another thread please make sure it's accurate and in context. Again if you had read either of these threads you would have seen the nastiness towards women was out in force. No idea who said what. Im not quoting anyone! I skipped through and remember seeing some comments. Oh you hadn't read the thread properly but thought you would bring something into this thread from another one that you haven't actually read?
Yes. Yes I did. That ok? Or should I have checked with you first?
I just think it's rather provocative. If you had read either of those threads you would have had a better understanding as why some people objected to some of the comments mainly made by men.
Dunno if I’m reading it right, but you seem provocative right now
She says she didnt like the idea on the other thread that men shouldn’t have an opinion. That’s all
And your suddenly very aggressive? What’s up, if Tomd threads have upset you made take a break from the forum?
Seeing as it was a comment that I made but taken out of context and brought into another thread I had every right to comment. I'm not angry I am simply highlighting quite a bit of hypocrisy. I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. "But I made the same comment Why are you assuming she’s quoting you? Are you ok? | |||
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" People who menstruate are called women " Thats how JK sees it and many athletes presumably... | |||
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"If I can’t get hard it’s likely because she’s ugly. " That's why bags were invented | |||
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"If I can’t get hard it’s likely because she’s ugly. That's why bags were invented " Drugs are bad | |||
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"If I can’t get hard it’s likely because she’s ugly. that's mean "If I were a girl I’d have been in mean girls | |||
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"If I can’t get hard it’s likely because she’s ugly. That's why bags were invented Jesus. "Paper, obviously. Unless you have a kink with relation to the 'a' word that we cannot type..... | |||
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" I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. " Or perhaps he is saying that a woman is expressing her views aggressively.. | |||
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"To be fair, I don't have much to say about men using their inability to get hard as an excuse for losing a game. " It's why jousting matches are lost, on a weekly basis. I'm sure of it | |||
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"If I can’t get hard it’s likely because she’s ugly. That's why bags were invented Jesus.
Paper, obviously. Unless you have a kink with relation to the 'a' word that we cannot type....."I don’t. Though I’m sure there’s many people out there that would like to play that game with me, it’s just not my bag. | |||
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"Is this the right room for an argument? " Yes, 5 minutes or the full half hour? | |||
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" I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. Or perhaps he is saying that a woman is expressing her views aggressively.. " Would you like to elaborate and tell me exactly how I was aggressive please Tom. | |||
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" I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. Or perhaps he is saying that a woman is expressing her views aggressively.. " Nice. But she wasn’t expressing them aggressively? | |||
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"Is this the elephant in the fab room... It appears that men should not comment on women who menstruate. If that is true then should women not comment on male matters of erectile dysfunction... ? Why not include the question "or should they man up?" Tom? You felt it appropriate to add that to your thread on athlete's menstrual cycles. Why the difference? Ah the athlete one!! I didn’t read all that. Don't blame you.. it was hijacked by bores " Lovely | |||
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"Is this the right room for an argument? Yes, 5 minutes or the full half hour? Tom is not arguing with you Glyn" I know. I was just supplying the next line of the sketch.  | |||
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"Is this the right room for an argument? Yes, 5 minutes or the full half hour?" I've told you once | |||
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" I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. Or perhaps he is saying that a woman is expressing her views aggressively.. " I think sometimes men see women expressing a view at ALL as aggressive... | |||
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" I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. Or perhaps he is saying that a woman is expressing her views aggressively.. Would you like to elaborate and tell me exactly how I was aggressive please Tom. " Seeing a comment that could be about a number of people, automatically applying it to yourself, then telling the user off and saying they’re being provocative by quoting you wrong, when they didn’t quite anyone That’s aggressive paranoid behaviour to me. It’s weird you instantly assumed it was about you and went on the attack right off the bat | |||
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" I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. Or perhaps he is saying that a woman is expressing her views aggressively.. I think sometimes men see women expressing a view at ALL as aggressive..." I don't doubt that you believe that for a second... | |||
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" I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. Or perhaps he is saying that a woman is expressing her views aggressively.. Would you like to elaborate and tell me exactly how I was aggressive please Tom. Seeing a comment that could be about a number of people, automatically applying it to yourself, then telling the user off and saying they’re being provocative by quoting you wrong, when they didn’t quite anyone That’s aggressive paranoid behaviour to me. It’s weird you instantly assumed it was about you and went on the attack right off the bat " But it was me that said that and no one else on the thread did. I was very clear in what I said and I would really appreciate you stopping making assumptions about me and my personality. The poster then openly admitted she hadn't actually read the thread and that was the point I was making but if she had she would have understood the context. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr" I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended. | |||
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" I'm sorry that you see a woman expressing her views as aggressive. Or perhaps he is saying that a woman is expressing her views aggressively.. Would you like to elaborate and tell me exactly how I was aggressive please Tom. Seeing a comment that could be about a number of people, automatically applying it to yourself, then telling the user off and saying they’re being provocative by quoting you wrong, when they didn’t quite anyone That’s aggressive paranoid behaviour to me. It’s weird you instantly assumed it was about you and went on the attack right off the bat " Aggressive paranoid behaviour? Hardly!!!!!!  | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr You are not reporting it accurately though. The only time objections have been made have been when men have tried to dismiss the issue or suggest it is a non issue. " I'm not going argue whether this is when objections are made or not - I honestly don't know. However the comments aren't that men are not allowed to dsmiss, they are very clear that men are not allowed to comment on things they don't experience. Again, I'm not saying you said that but if you read back through those threads you'll find people who have. Mr | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr You are not reporting it accurately though. The only time objections have been made have been when men have tried to dismiss the issue or suggest it is a non issue. I'm not going argue whether this is when objections are made or not - I honestly don't know. However the comments aren't that men are not allowed to dsmiss, they are very clear that men are not allowed to comment on things they don't experience. Again, I'm not saying you said that but if you read back through those threads you'll find people who have. Mr" And if you read them back you would realise they were about women giving Personal account of things that happened to them but being dismissed by a man. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended. "And you could not see the irony | |||
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"Well either way, Tom has successfully carried out what every media company on this earth does. Put everyone against eachother and quietly sit back to watch Gotta applaud that "Naah.. you are thinking of the Tory Party ... And when the Tories mean party... | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended. "Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest Or the more succinct No uterus, no opinion. Mr | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not?" Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr You are not reporting it accurately though. The only time objections have been made have been when men have tried to dismiss the issue or suggest it is a non issue. I'm not going argue whether this is when objections are made or not - I honestly don't know. However the comments aren't that men are not allowed to dsmiss, they are very clear that men are not allowed to comment on things they don't experience. Again, I'm not saying you said that but if you read back through those threads you'll find people who have. Mr" I disagree with the idea that men shouldn't comment on periods or abortion. Fwiw. Yes both threads got very ...tense. But I don't think men should be excluded from commenting. Even if I disagree with their POV. | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not?" They certain did in the abortion themes thread. Quite a few did | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr Tom will make a reporter out of you yet... "High praise indeed.
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? They certain did in the abortion themes thread. Quite a few did They did as far as I remember. Well can you remind Lorna before she starts attacking people for quoting her wrong " Er no. Best I don't. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean. "Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless? | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?"Well legally he doesn’t over here. Neither does the state. Because forcing a woman to carry a child she doesn’t want to is a human rights violation xx | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
Well legally he doesn’t over here. Neither does the state. Because forcing a woman to carry a child she doesn’t want to is a human rights violation xx"No one’s saying she has too. But can’t he have an opinion? | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
Well legally he doesn’t over here. Neither does the state. Because forcing a woman to carry a child she doesn’t want to is a human rights violation xx
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But to actually answer the OP, I believe men can and should talk and ask questions about periods, pregnancy, miscarriage and everything else that happen to women. And vice versa women should be able to talk and ask questions about wet dreams, erectile dysfunction and anything else.
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Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean. "Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
Well legally he doesn’t over here. Neither does the state. Because forcing a woman to carry a child she doesn’t want to is a human rights violation xx
No one’s saying she has too. But can’t he have an opinion?
Yeah, duh. As long as he’s not expecting that opinion to be taken into consideration. Because it doesn’t need to be. "Well, we disagree there. I think everyone’s opinion should be taken into consideration. | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. On the menstruation thread...It is there for everyone to see....I and others have mentioned it too Well in that case it's absolutely correct isn't it. If you have never had a period How can you tell somebody that has that it's not an issue. I would never tell a man who was experiencing a rectal dysfunction but it isn't a problem and to man up. It seems perfectly acceptable to say that to a woman though and many defend that. " 'A rectal dysfunctional' Is this a new thread? Surely rectal dysfunction is something we can all relate to | |||
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But to actually answer the OP, I believe men can and should talk and ask questions about periods, pregnancy, miscarriage and everything else that happen to women. And vice versa women should be able to talk and ask questions about wet dreams, erectile dysfunction and anything else.
Only by asking questions are you able to understand others perspectives even if you don't necessarily agree with them. "I think often though it depends what question is being asked and how it is being asked. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
Mr
What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?"It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby". I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies. | |||
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"Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless? Well legally he doesn’t over here. Neither does the state. Because forcing a woman to carry a child she doesn’t want to is a human rights violation xx No one’s saying she has too. But can’t he have an opinion? Yeah, duh. As long as he’s not expecting that opinion to be taken into consideration. Because it doesn’t need to be. Well, we disagree there. I think everyone’s opinion should be taken into consideration. " If a woman has no intention to carry a child for up to 9/10 months, why on earth does she need to consider what anyone else wants?  | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
Mr
What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies. "To be honest it's you I have had in mind with a lot of these threads and this is why I often say what I say because it is rarely as black-and-white as a lot of people like to think. X | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. On the menstruation thread...It is there for everyone to see....I and others have mentioned it too Well in that case it's absolutely correct isn't it. If you have never had a period How can you tell somebody that has that it's not an issue. I would never tell a man who was experiencing a rectal dysfunction but it isn't a problem and to man up. It seems perfectly acceptable to say that to a woman though and many defend that. " And that was my point was it not? To let people have their say but also have the right to challenge those views.....without debates and different opinions how can we change mindsets | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
Mr
What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies. "Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion. I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for. I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. " The context is irrelevant. The context would matter if the comment was 'you haven't experienced 'X' so your view caries no weight. To simply say no uterus, no opinion doesn't require context. It's a simple statement of the belief that a person workout a uterus cannot express an opinion on the workings of one in any circumstances or for any reason. Incidentally, having insisted Nora was quoting you when there were comments like this on that thread is unfair and she deserves an apology. Mr | |||
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But to actually answer the OP, I believe men can and should talk and ask questions about periods, pregnancy, miscarriage and everything else that happen to women. And vice versa women should be able to talk and ask questions about wet dreams, erectile dysfunction and anything else.
Only by asking questions are you able to understand others perspectives even if you don't necessarily agree with them.
I think often though it depends what question is being asked and how it is being asked. "This is true, but I also believe it takes 2 people to have a good discussion. Occasionally I will have a discussion with someone who I totally disagree with to the point of upset but we've managed to keep the conversation going to see each others perspectives. | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? " Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
Mr
What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies.
Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion.
I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for.
I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject "No uterus mate.. You know the rules according to fab. | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. On the menstruation thread...It is there for everyone to see....I and others have mentioned it too Well in that case it's absolutely correct isn't it. If you have never had a period How can you tell somebody that has that it's not an issue. I would never tell a man who was experiencing a rectal dysfunction but it isn't a problem and to man up. It seems perfectly acceptable to say that to a woman though and many defend that. And that was my point was it not? To let people have their say but also have the right to challenge those views.....without debates and different opinions how can we change mindsets" How is it a debate though to tell a woman she should just stop moaning and get on with it. The problem is some of those views were so ingrained no amount of debate was gonna change any of their minds and it ended up with some people just being really patronising towards women. | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies. "They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
Mr
What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies.
Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion.
I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for.
I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject "You know I hate agreeing with you. Damn it. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
Mr
What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies.
Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion.
I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for.
I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject "What's fucked up is expecting a woman to risk tearing her anal sphincter and developing permanent faecal incontinence or having a post partum haemorrhage or lose use of her lower limbs or that she might die, to give birth against her will. It's bad enough that those very real risks exist at all. The thread yesterday was specifically about an American women carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality, being prevented from having an abortion. Why the fuck should she be forced to risk all of the above PLUS shoulder all the cost of giving birth, as is the case in the US? | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
Mr
What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies.
Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion.
I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for.
I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject
What's fucked up is expecting a woman to risk tearing her anal sphincter and developing permanent faecal incontinence or having a post partum haemorrhage or lose use of her lower limbs or that she might die, to give birth against her will. It's bad enough that those very real risks exist at all.
The thread yesterday was specifically about an American women carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality, being prevented from having an abortion. Why the fuck should she be forced to risk all of the above PLUS shoulder all the cost of giving birth, as is the case in the US?"I asked for an opinion Your saying I asked a woman to rip her anal sphincter? Did you quote the wrong comment? | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. The context is irrelevant. The context would matter if the comment was 'you haven't experienced 'X' so your view caries no weight. To simply say no uterus, no opinion doesn't require context. It's a simple statement of the belief that a person workout a uterus cannot express an opinion on the workings of one in any circumstances or for any reason. Incidentally, having insisted Nora was quoting you when there were comments like this on that thread is unfair and she deserves an apology. Mr" And do I deserve an apology for the nastiness that has been directed towards me? Funny how only some people get defended on these forums isn't it. I know that comment was directed at me because of Of the private conversation that went along with it. Again context is everything isn't it. | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. The context is irrelevant. The context would matter if the comment was 'you haven't experienced 'X' so your view caries no weight. To simply say no uterus, no opinion doesn't require context. It's a simple statement of the belief that a person workout a uterus cannot express an opinion on the workings of one in any circumstances or for any reason. Incidentally, having insisted Nora was quoting you when there were comments like this on that thread is unfair and she deserves an apology. Mr And do I deserve an apology for the nastiness that has been directed towards me? Funny how only some people get defended on these forums isn't it. I know that comment was directed at me because of Of the private conversation that went along with it. Again context is everything isn't it. " Ah, the old “I’ve been caught out so I’ll play the victim now” It’s a great defence | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
Mr
What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies.
Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion.
I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for.
I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject
What's fucked up is expecting a woman to risk tearing her anal sphincter and developing permanent faecal incontinence or having a post partum haemorrhage or lose use of her lower limbs or that she might die, to give birth against her will. It's bad enough that those very real risks exist at all.
The thread yesterday was specifically about an American women carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality, being prevented from having an abortion. Why the fuck should she be forced to risk all of the above PLUS shoulder all the cost of giving birth, as is the case in the US?
I asked for an opinion
Your saying I asked a woman to rip her anal sphincter?
Did you quote the wrong comment? "I'm pointing out the risks that childbirth pose on the female body and why it should never be the case that a woman is forced to carry a baby against her will. Because it is her body and life on the line. Men can have a view, an opinion yes. But they cannot be the final arbitrators because it's not the man who literally risks their life! | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. On the menstruation thread...It is there for everyone to see....I and others have mentioned it too Well in that case it's absolutely correct isn't it. If you have never had a period How can you tell somebody that has that it's not an issue. I would never tell a man who was experiencing a rectal dysfunction but it isn't a problem and to man up. It seems perfectly acceptable to say that to a woman though and many defend that. And that was my point was it not? To let people have their say but also have the right to challenge those views.....without debates and different opinions how can we change mindsets How is it a debate though to tell a woman she should just stop moaning and get on with it. The problem is some of those views were so ingrained no amount of debate was gonna change any of their minds and it ended up with some people just being really patronising towards women. " I never said those comments were debates did I? The whole thread was a debate, as is this one. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies.
Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion.
I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for.
I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject
What's fucked up is expecting a woman to risk tearing her anal sphincter and developing permanent faecal incontinence or having a post partum haemorrhage or lose use of her lower limbs or that she might die, to give birth against her will. It's bad enough that those very real risks exist at all.
The thread yesterday was specifically about an American women carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality, being prevented from having an abortion. Why the fuck should she be forced to risk all of the above PLUS shoulder all the cost of giving birth, as is the case in the US?
I asked for an opinion
Your saying I asked a woman to rip her anal sphincter?
Did you quote the wrong comment?
I'm pointing out the risks that childbirth pose on the female body and why it should never be the case that a woman is forced to carry a baby against her will. Because it is her body and life on the line.
Men can have a view, an opinion yes. But they cannot be the final arbitrators because it's not the man who literally risks their life!"I’d hope no men are seriously asking to be the final decision I’m just asking that they have an opinion, a voice on this. Because it does involve them | |||
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You seem to be confusing telling someone what to do with allowing the father an opinion on their unborn child. "Opinions are fine. The thread yesterday was about a US woman carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality being denied an abortion. Whilst men should be able to contribute, I disagree that it should be down to men to make these laws/decisions that only impact woman, and impact women's very lives. We're not talking about risking a parking ticket or a $100 fine or something. | |||
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They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men. "I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue. | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
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No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies.
Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion.
I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for.
I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject
What's fucked up is expecting a woman to risk tearing her anal sphincter and developing permanent faecal incontinence or having a post partum haemorrhage or lose use of her lower limbs or that she might die, to give birth against her will. It's bad enough that those very real risks exist at all.
The thread yesterday was specifically about an American women carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality, being prevented from having an abortion. Why the fuck should she be forced to risk all of the above PLUS shoulder all the cost of giving birth, as is the case in the US?
I asked for an opinion
Your saying I asked a woman to rip her anal sphincter?
Did you quote the wrong comment?
I'm pointing out the risks that childbirth pose on the female body and why it should never be the case that a woman is forced to carry a baby against her will. Because it is her body and life on the line.
Men can have a view, an opinion yes. But they cannot be the final arbitrators because it's not the man who literally risks their life!
I’d hope no men are seriously asking to be the final decision
I’m just asking that they have an opinion, a voice on this. Because it does involve them"In the USA, which is where yesterday's debate centred, the law makers applying these bans on abortion are either exclusively or predominantly men. That is the context in which the comments were made. | |||
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You seem to be confusing telling someone what to do with allowing the father an opinion on their unborn child. "Not really. I already said men are entitled to an opinion. Just not to expect it to hold much weight when it comes to deciding whether or not to continue a pregnancy. Because it’s not their body carrying the child. | |||
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"Shutting people's opinions down does not sit well with me, nobody has the right to tell anyone that their views don't count, of course men can have opinions on menstruation and abortion....We might not agree but it is our right to express that as we base our knowledge from our own experiences and perspectives. What I don't like is decisions being made for others by people who clearly have no clue Completely agree but that isn't what happened. Your last sentence is exactly what I and others were trying to portray on the other threads. But someone did say 'no uterus no opinion' did they not? Which thread? And in what context? That is what is normally missing when things like this are thrown about. The context is irrelevant. The context would matter if the comment was 'you haven't experienced 'X' so your view caries no weight. To simply say no uterus, no opinion doesn't require context. It's a simple statement of the belief that a person workout a uterus cannot express an opinion on the workings of one in any circumstances or for any reason. Incidentally, having insisted Nora was quoting you when there were comments like this on that thread is unfair and she deserves an apology. Mr And do I deserve an apology for the nastiness that has been directed towards me? Funny how only some people get defended on these forums isn't it. I know that comment was directed at me because of Of the private conversation that went along with it. Again context is everything isn't it. What!!! On my kids lives that comment wasn’t directed at you! It was the no uterus no opinion comments and the like I was referring to. I wasn’t going to comment again but I am not accepting that. Unbelievable. " And I just had to double check, we didn’t have a private conversation about this?? Why are you being like this? | |||
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They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue. "I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
You seem to be confusing telling someone what to do with allowing the father an opinion on their unborn child.
Opinions are fine. The thread yesterday was about a US woman carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality being denied an abortion. Whilst men should be able to contribute, I disagree that it should be down to men to make these laws/decisions that only impact woman, and impact women's very lives. We're not talking about risking a parking ticket or a $100 fine or something. "I didn't see yesterday's thread. I had a day off. Nobody has said on this thread that anyone should have the final say apart from the woman in need of the medical procedure. | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
You seem to be confusing telling someone what to do with allowing the father an opinion on their unborn child.
Opinions are fine. The thread yesterday was about a US woman carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality being denied an abortion. Whilst men should be able to contribute, I disagree that it should be down to men to make these laws/decisions that only impact woman, and impact women's very lives. We're not talking about risking a parking ticket or a $100 fine or something.
I didn't see yesterday's thread. I had a day off. Nobody has said on this thread that anyone should have the final say apart from the woman in need of the medical procedure. "But they did in the debate yesterday, and it is that debate that has continued here. It comes out on pretty much any debate about abortion (the notion that banning abortion in all circumstances is fine, and that it's usually men making those laws). That's why people are irritated. | |||
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Not really. I already said men are entitled to an opinion. Just not to expect it to hold much weight when it comes to deciding whether or not to continue a pregnancy. Because it’s not their body carrying the child. "And nobody on this thread has suggested a man has a decision making ability over a woman's body. | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
You seem to be confusing telling someone what to do with allowing the father an opinion on their unborn child.
Opinions are fine. The thread yesterday was about a US woman carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality being denied an abortion. Whilst men should be able to contribute, I disagree that it should be down to men to make these laws/decisions that only impact woman, and impact women's very lives. We're not talking about risking a parking ticket or a $100 fine or something.
I didn't see yesterday's thread. I had a day off. Nobody has said on this thread that anyone should have the final say apart from the woman in need of the medical procedure.
But they did in the debate yesterday, and it is that debate that has continued here. It comes out on pretty much any debate about abortion (the notion that banning abortion in all circumstances is fine, and that it's usually men making those laws). That's why people are irritated. ".. Not in this thread. Haven't seen that opinion expressed. | |||
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You seem to be confusing telling someone what to do with allowing the father an opinion on their unborn child.
Opinions are fine. The thread yesterday was about a US woman carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality being denied an abortion. Whilst men should be able to contribute, I disagree that it should be down to men to make these laws/decisions that only impact woman, and impact women's very lives. We're not talking about risking a parking ticket or a $100 fine or something.
I didn't see yesterday's thread. I had a day off. Nobody has said on this thread that anyone should have the final say apart from the woman in need of the medical procedure.
But they did in the debate yesterday, and it is that debate that has continued here. It comes out on pretty much any debate about abortion (the notion that banning abortion in all circumstances is fine, and that it's usually men making those laws). That's why people are irritated. .. Not in this thread. Haven't seen that opinion expressed. "Sigh. The debate that was initiated here on the "no uterus no opinion" was picked up and carried over from yesterday. Which is the context those comments were made in. Hence the way this has unfolded - yesterday's discussion has effectively continued here. | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
You seem to be confusing telling someone what to do with allowing the father an opinion on their unborn child.
Opinions are fine. The thread yesterday was about a US woman carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality being denied an abortion. Whilst men should be able to contribute, I disagree that it should be down to men to make these laws/decisions that only impact woman, and impact women's very lives. We're not talking about risking a parking ticket or a $100 fine or something.
I didn't see yesterday's thread. I had a day off. Nobody has said on this thread that anyone should have the final say apart from the woman in need of the medical procedure.
But they did in the debate yesterday, and it is that debate that has continued here. It comes out on pretty much any debate about abortion (the notion that banning abortion in all circumstances is fine, and that it's usually men making those laws). That's why people are irritated. .. Not in this thread. Haven't seen that opinion expressed.
Sigh. The debate that was initiated here on the "no uterus no opinion" was picked up and carried over from yesterday. Which is the context those comments were made in. Hence the way this has unfolded - yesterday's discussion has effectively continued here."Because Tom referenced it in his OP... | |||
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They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that"On this I admit I’d have to do more reading but from what I’ve looked at it’s not entirely clear that you’d be required to pay child support if you’re not named on the birth certificate? Which if you didn’t want the child would surely be the case? | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that"Not all women want in the wallet, some of us happily do it without financial support | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that
On this I admit I’d have to do more reading but from what I’ve looked at it’s not entirely clear that you’d be required to pay child support if you’re not named on the birth certificate? Which if you didn’t want the child would surely be the case? "You do in the UK by law “ You must have a child maintenance arrangement if your child is under 16 (or under 20 if they are still in full-time education). ” | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that
On this I admit I’d have to do more reading but from what I’ve looked at it’s not entirely clear that you’d be required to pay child support if you’re not named on the birth certificate? Which if you didn’t want the child would surely be the case? "If an unwed father is not listed on the birth certificate, he has no legal rights to the child. This includes no obligation to paying child support and no rights to visitation to custody or child support. If no father is listed on the birth certificate, the mother has sole legal rights and responsibility of the child unless a court puts visitation rights or rights to maintenance in place. | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that
On this I admit I’d have to do more reading but from what I’ve looked at it’s not entirely clear that you’d be required to pay child support if you’re not named on the birth certificate? Which if you didn’t want the child would surely be the case? "So long as you're not married I think you're correct | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that
Not all women want in the wallet, some of us happily do it without financial support "Some do, but it’s a little weird that the man isn’t included in that decision at all So he has no say in what happens before birth. She could kill a baby he wants, or keep a baby he doesn’t Then it’s her decision again after whether she wants to get a job or just take the child support Fair fucking play to the women that do it alone | |||
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"This thread was about erectile dysfunction and been hijacked into abortion and child birth... wasn't it a thread about who can comment on what topics, Tom ? Or do you only get ED when Mrs Essex is on her period ?" | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that
On this I admit I’d have to do more reading but from what I’ve looked at it’s not entirely clear that you’d be required to pay child support if you’re not named on the birth certificate? Which if you didn’t want the child would surely be the case?
So long as you're not married I think you're correct "That's correct. You need to have parental responsibility. Via being on the birth cert or requesting it. | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that
Not all women want in the wallet, some of us happily do it without financial support " | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that
On this I admit I’d have to do more reading but from what I’ve looked at it’s not entirely clear that you’d be required to pay child support if you’re not named on the birth certificate? Which if you didn’t want the child would surely be the case?
You do in the UK by law “ You must have a child maintenance arrangement if your child is under 16 (or under 20 if they are still in full-time education). ”"Only if you have PR for that child. | |||
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"Err.. How do you get pregnant without a sperm? The father should be involved in any discussions about his baby no? Men. Can’t. Tell. Women. What. To. Do. With. Their. Bodies.
They can't no, but I don't believe they shouldn't have a voice either. I know how devastated M was when I miscarried and grieved as I did. So though women have the final say with regards to their bodies, we also as a society shouldn't totally ignore the impact of this may have on men.
I know how I felt about my partner miscarrying too. And I grieved in my own way. For a while. Men are entitled to share an opinion. You literally cannot stop that but the decision to have a baby, sorry, I don’t believe that’s ours. If a woman doesn’t want a baby then that’s the end of it. I am not changing my mind on that to be fair but as I said, legally I’m pretty sure this is a fairly clear issue.
I don’t think it’s just the opinion on abortion
It’s the opinion on abortion vs keeping it
For example, if she wants an abortion, I support that
If she wants to keep it, and I don’t, I don’t support the idea of being forced to raise a kid I don’t want and pay for it. I think it’s fucked up
This “no uterus no opinion” basically boils down to waiting to pick and choose when you kill off someone’s kid or whether you wanna keep it and get in his wallet, and you don’t want men ti challenge that
On this I admit I’d have to do more reading but from what I’ve looked at it’s not entirely clear that you’d be required to pay child support if you’re not named on the birth certificate? Which if you didn’t want the child would surely be the case?
So long as you're not married I think you're correct
That's correct. You need to have parental responsibility. Via being on the birth cert or requesting it. "I’m reading that it’s the law for both parents to provide Where are finding the part that a guy can just dip out on the birth certificate? Not doubting I just wanna read if Seems still kinda fucked up that a guy has to do sneaky stuff ti get past if I support abortion in both way Women can abort a baby Men should be able to financially/responsibilities abort a baby - legally claim he wants nothing ti do with it and the woman had chosen to keep it alone | |||
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"Odd comparison Tom! Odd why? Dunno just is. Why can’t men comment on women who menstruate? I feel I’ve maybe missed something. I saw that men shouldn’t have an opinion/comment on abortion (which I stayed out of because I don’t really agree) but that’s all. They shouldn't comment on the effects of menstruation either, nor should they be employed as a project manager for a scheme providing free sanitary products. I'm not expressing an opinion on these statements, merely reporting them from recent threads. Mr I don't think anyone said men shouldn't comment on menstruation although no doubt your beady eyes will prove me wrong. It was telling women to "man up" that offended.
Not sure men can comment on something we will never experience to be honest
Or the more succinct
No uterus, no opinion.
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What's wrong with saying a man can't comment on something they have never experienced? Again a lot of this is about context and as a lot of women on that thread were having their personal experiences dismissed I can understand why is was said.
And I stand by the fact a man or anyone from that matter should not be able to tell a woman what she should or should not be able to do with her body which is what I took that comment to mean.
Because it takes 2 people to make a baby and a man is one of them. He should be allowed to have an opinion, at least, about the termination of his child. Are you heartless?
It is not the man who puts their life at risk to birth the baby!!!! Even apparently routine pregnancies can and do result in permanent injury, disability or death of the mother. It is not an equal risk situation and the overwhelming majority of the time, it is the mother who is left "holding the baby".
I'm living proof of "normal" pregnancies resulting in disability and do you know what? Nobody gives a shit. No health or social care professionals cared or care. They only cared that my daughter was healthy. No help to live as a disabled mother, nothing whatsoever. So yes, it pisses me off when there's this attitude that men should be able to persuade or force women to continue with pregnancies.
Im just asking for an opinion. A discussion.
I think it’s fucked up that a condom can break and the guy has no recourse. His kid could be terminated, he could be on the line for child support for 18 years, he could be forced to stay with a woman he doesn’t like and raise a kid he wasn’t ready for.
I think it’s fucked if we tell that guy he can’t even have an opinion or thought on the subject
What's fucked up is expecting a woman to risk tearing her anal sphincter and developing permanent faecal incontinence or having a post partum haemorrhage or lose use of her lower limbs or that she might die, to give birth against her will. It's bad enough that those very real risks exist at all.
The thread yesterday was specifically about an American women carrying a foetus with a fatal abnormality, being prevented from having an abortion. Why the fuck should she be forced to risk all of the above PLUS shoulder all the cost of giving birth, as is the case in the US?
I asked for an opinion
Your saying I asked a woman to rip her anal sphincter?
Did you quote the wrong comment?
I'm pointing out the risks that childbirth pose on the female body and why it should never be the case that a woman is forced to carry a baby against her will. Because it is her body and life on the line.
Men can have a view, an opinion yes. But they cannot be the final arbitrators because it's not the man who literally risks their life!
I’d hope no men are seriously asking to be the final decision
I’m just asking that they have an opinion, a voice on this. Because it does involve them"Unfortunately I have witnessed many times in my line of work where men do want the final say over what happens with their partner's pregnancy even though it is opposite to what their partner wants. Parents also too and not even just with teenagers, sometimes with their adult children too . | |||
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