FabSwingers.com forum: UKIP couple lose foster children

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Social workers in a South Yorkshire town have removed three foster children from a couple who are approved Foster Carers, for - apparently - the sole reason of being supporters/members of UKIP.

They have justified their actions as follows: "UKIP have got racist policies. We would not have placed these children with you had we known you were members of UKIP because it wouldn't have been the right cultural match." The Council concerned have said the children are not 'indigenous white' and therefore the placing was 'not a good cultural match'.

They also went on to add... "UKIP does not like European people and wants them all out of the country to be returned to their own countries..".

Now, I am no supported of UKIP. There are, like any other party, some pretty odd members and supporters milling around their meetings and conferences, BUT..... since when have UKIP wanted to see all European people driven from these shores? True, their almost-only policy is our withdrawal from the EU, but a 'racist' party that doth not make!!!

More importantly, would the social worker have removed these poor kids if the carers had been members of the Conservative Party? The Conservatives are tightening up border controls and limiting immigration - does that make them racist too??

Thought one of our freedoms was the right to political expression? Clearly not if you're dealing with this particular Council.

Okay Faberatti - give it your tuppneyworth...... I'm staggered.....

Pork

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Correct me if im wrong, but werent the kids there for apporox, 3 months, were settled and were even calling them mum and dad, dont see how the social setvices could moan. They were obviously caring for these kids x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Correct me if im wrong, but werent the kids there for apporox, 3 months, were settled and were even calling them mum and dad, dont see how the social setvices could moan. They were obviously caring for these kids x"
8 weeks it says on the BBC website. Doesn't really matter how long they were they, it's the misguided 'principle' behind the removal that wound me up...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Correct me if im wrong, but werent the kids there for apporox, 3 months, were settled and were even calling them mum and dad, dont see how the social setvices could moan. They were obviously caring for these kids x8 weeks it says on the BBC website. Doesn't really matter how long they were they, it's the misguided 'principle' behind the removal that wound me up...

Agree, made my blood boil.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just saw this on breakfast.

Words fail me. People's political _iews don't effect their ability to raise children, they were obviously deemed suitable otherwise they wouldn't have been allowed to foster in the first place, how has that changed now the the local social services have found that they're UKIP supporters?

Oh yeah, their local council is Labour....Figures.

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

I bet they would prefer if the Foster Parents were child abusers, peodo's and gay as that seems to be the requirement for most social services. They are all PC and don't wish to offend the minority cases.

They never give a dam about whats right for the children, how would they many haven't had any kids of their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I bet they would prefer if the Foster Parents were child abusers, peodo's and gay "

Not sure that being gay is quite the same as being a child abuser or a peadophile, but hey ho, every day is a school day on Fab !

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"I bet they would prefer if the Foster Parents were child abusers, peodo's and gay as that seems to be the requirement for most social services. They are all PC and don't wish to offend the minority cases.

They never give a dam about whats right for the children, how would they many haven't had any kids of their own."

Do you have the stats to back that up or are we working on generalisations and sweeping statements.

Why do you feel that placing a child with a gay couple sits alongside placing them with child abusers and pedophiles? Do you not think gay people can bring children up properly?

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

"I bet they would prefer if the Foster Parents were child abusers, peodo's and gay

Not sure that being gay is quite the same as being a child abuser or a peadophile, but hey ho, every day is a school day on Fab !"

Not saying being Gay is wrong and definitely not saying they are the same child abuses or peadophile's. Just making a point they don't descriminate against them as it is seen to be wrong.

But they will take your releigon and politics into account.

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By *rank_SimoneCouple
over a year ago

Bideford

The sweeping statement comes from personal experiences. My sister was taken into care by an old spinster from social services who told loads of lies about us.

But we had our day in court and got my sister back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Born and bred in Doncaster and thats Doncaster Social Services for you.

They remove kids that are well cared for and leave the ones who are in danger with abusers ..well known proven fact

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and we have thousands of kids in care because the social services cant find homes for them, wander why.

what is better, living in care or beeing in a loving home, whatever the _iews of the parents, and i know more about this than most. this country is a joke

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I bet they would prefer if the Foster Parents were child abusers, peodo's and gay

Not sure that being gay is quite the same as being a child abuser or a peadophile, but hey ho, every day is a school day on Fab !

Not saying being Gay is wrong and definitely not saying they are the same child abuses or peadophile's. Just making a point they don't descriminate against them as it is seen to be wrong.

But they will take your releigon and politics into account.

The fact that you link homosexuality with pedophiles is abhorrent. So basically you are saying that they shouldn't have or look after kids?

People are not penalized for their religious _iews, social services actively seek out foster parents from all backgrounds for obvious reasons. would a Jewish child best interests best be served by placing them with a Sikh family? No of course not, that's not discrimination and no reflection of the potential foster parents.

Ss for politics, I suspect that extreme politics, either left or right would be a huge no. And quite rightly so. I suspect that an awful lot more will come out about this, at the moment their appears to be just the one story, from the parents perspective in a paper that would be politically supportive.

I feel sorry for social workers. Always the scapegoat and invariably blameed whatever they do. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think before everyone starts jumping up and down, taking sides & labelling all social workers as biased / judgemental or other things, we need to realise that not everything will have been disclosed in the article- simply because they can't publish ANY details which may potentially identify a child in care.

We don't know the ages of the children, nor the circumstances of why they were taken into care. The foster carers _iews could have been very relevant to the direct therapeutic care of the children.

Social workers don't like taking children into care & don't make decisions about moving them 8 weeks into a placement easily.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They were foster parents not adopting the children so in reality it was never supposed to be a long term situation.

The political _iews of the foster parents are their own but from what I can gather the children were of migrant parents or European origin although I am not 100% certain so you could say they would not be UKIP supporters choice for UK residency.

Social services had to make a decision and in this case were proactive rather than in some tragic recent cases apathetic.

Looking at it cold heartedly I think probably the best decision was made all round. I would think there would have been an outcry if the children came to any harm being left. So the children are with new foster parents who will give them as much love as the first ones. Social services are seen as being proactive. Its not ideal, its not a pleasant situation but if this has to happen 999 times to prevent one case of children being left in potential danger then the right decision was made.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Having direct commitment to my social services almost every day off my life, i can honestly say that they have been fantastic in my case. I have phoned them in the middle of the night and they sent someone to see me when i am sat crying in the corner after my disabled daughter has done unimaginable things to her bedroom.....

Even when my dysfunctional family sent them out to my house out of pure malice because they told them that i was a manic depressive and in capable of looking after my family. Unknown the Social had been round a couple of days before, but still had to follow up complaints. so they went through all my cupboards to make sure i had food, they went through Josies bedroom to make sure that she had toys etc for stimulation etc.

Hence to say that i got the all clear with flying colours. I knew that happen but i was so upset to think ones family could be so vicious.

There are lots of children that slip through the net and it breaks my heart every time i hear this, and all i am told is that "We are short of resources and funding" I don't want to hear that, just follow up all complaints and do it properly, not just stick your head in the door.

As for the Three children taken away that should never have happened, they were settled and loved and that's all those children need, not some bloody pen pusher deciding their lives for them !!

(Perky)

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

snip

Social services had to make a decision and in this case were proactive rather than in some tragic recent cases apathetic.

Looking at it cold heartedly I think probably the best decision was made all round.

No. On the information most of us have available - this was an unjustified decision. Or at least - the reasons they seem to have given are unjustified.

UKIP is not the BNP

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By *ig jugsWoman
over a year ago

somewhere

And for reasons like this when qualify in 6 months as a social worker there's no way i will be going near child services.Most social workers beg not to be put in child services as it has been proven within 4 yrs you will have a nervous breakdown as so much goes on behind the scenes that the public never hear about,Social work is the hardest job ever and we are all tied and bound by rules,policies and procedures and I bet you will find the social workers involved did not agree with the decision but due to legality had to do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the Three children taken away that should never have happened, they were settled and loved and that's all those children need, not some bloody pen pusher deciding their lives for them !!

(Perky)"

No disrespect, but as I said before, we don't know the circumstances they are in care. They may not be in care under court orders, they could be voluntarily accommodated; and if that's the case & the parent(s) wanted them moved because of their _iews (& the threat was made to remove them from care), children's service wouldn't have had much of a choice.

I also don't find your comment about 'pen pushers' very relevant to your argument & it would be quite offensive to social workers

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I think we have to be very very careful in this situation because I don't think we have heard the complete story......

from what we have heard it sounds awful... so I actually went to the UKIP website last night to have a read and actually it was very informative......

there is another element to this which hasn't been discussed and I wonder what family they ended up being taken in by.... because in a way it may explain a lot, not to say it is right... but it may explain some of the reasoning....

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

As a member of UKIP I'm disgusted. Nigel Farage had it right when he called this "a bloody outrage." UKIP has a black candidate in a forthcoming by-election and is as racially diverse as any mainstream party.

The woman responsible was inter_iewed on the BBC Radio 4 'Today' programme this morning. Complacent, politically correct and arrogant - there are too many of these types in positions of authority in the public services, imposing their extreme left-wing politics on the rest of us.

It has to stop.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As a member of UKIP I'm disgusted. Nigel Farage had it right when he called this "a bloody outrage." UKIP has a black candidate in a forthcoming by-election and is as racially diverse as any mainstream party.

It has to stop."

I look forward to Monday morning on LBC radio in the London area (Sky 0112 if anyone wants to pick it up anywhere else), to hear Nick Ferrari and then James O'Brien on this subject... If Ferrari's inter_iews with a number of people in similar positions of 'authority' of late are anything to go by, it could be bonfire night all over again.. And as for Jo'B - I just can't wait. He was adopted and God help anyone who thinks they know what a child in care needs better than the child!

But at the end of the day, I feel sorry for the three kids involved who must be wondering what the hell is going on....

Pork

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I bet they would prefer if the Foster Parents were child abusers, peodo's and gay

Not sure that being gay is quite the same as being a child abuser or a peadophile, but hey ho, every day is a school day on Fab !"

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I think before everyone starts jumping up and down, taking sides & labelling all social workers as biased / judgemental or other things, we need to realise that not everything will have been disclosed in the article- simply because they can't publish ANY details which may potentially identify a child in care.

We don't know the ages of the children, nor the circumstances of why they were taken into care. The foster carers _iews could have been very relevant to the direct therapeutic care of the children.

Social workers don't like taking children into care & don't make decisions about moving them 8 weeks into a placement easily.

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Well said!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Social workers dont like taking children into care? Well they seem to be doing a lot of that over the years.

My brothers son had a severe case of nappy rash and because his mum has a string of minor offences, nothing to do with children mind you, the social services became extremely keen on investigating my brother, his GF and my parents.

The fuck?

Here in Sheffield they have hundreds of posters and advert campaigns with the tag line "please adopt".

Not a chance in hell will I adopt with those people looking over my shoulder.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,

and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin-Niemöller

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Social workers dont like taking children into care? Well they seem to be doing a lot of that over the years.

The fuck?

Here in Sheffield they have hundreds of posters and advert campaigns with the tag line "please adopt".

Not a chance in hell will I adopt with those people looking over my shoulder."

the thing is in a job like social work you'll never get it right

If as child dies they're not doing their job right and it was their fault for not investigating properly

If they go see a child and get it wrong and there child is ok they're still not doing their job right

Social workers dont have some op that makes them super human, we all make mistakes and if going to 10 houses and getting it wrong means one child that does need help is found then so be it

ive had them at my house, because im bi and i have 3 daughters someone reported me because they didnt think it was right a bi sexual woman should be looking after little girls, that just how some peoples minds work, so i had social services out questioning me about who i have at my house and if i have women round while my kids were in etc, nothing came of it as i hadnt done anything wrong and my kids was nor have they ever been in any danger at all, i didnt blame social services tho because they was just doing their job and till they came out they didnt know everything was ok like they didnt know you nephew was ok till they looked into itm they're just doing a job and we all get it wrong sometimes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is so so wrong UkIP isn't BNP , and even if it was when did social services start bringing politics into foster caring!

I await the day somebody gets banned from something because their on 'fab' or has that happened already.

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By *ig jugsWoman
over a year ago

somewhere

The thing I see all the time working in social work is social workers never get praise for all the good things they do and how they help a lot of people.The bad stuff always hits the news but the good stuff always out ways the bad and I know from personal experience I as a student have helped make the difference to may of my service users and Im proud of that.The job is tough and we are only human but all to quick to miss the important positive stuff we do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Social workers dont like taking children into care? Well they seem to be doing a lot of that over the years.

The fuck?

Here in Sheffield they have hundreds of posters and advert campaigns with the tag line "please adopt".

Not a chance in hell will I adopt with those people looking over my shoulder."

Good. Personally I wouldn't want to see children adopted by someone who cannot make his point without uttering profanities.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so I actually went to the UKIP website last night to have a read and actually it was very informative......

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So did I Fabio, and it's been updated considerably from the last time I looked at it.

As for the specifics of the justification by Rotherham Social Services as to why they took the children away from them ('UKIP want to see Europeans kicked out, etc) there is no mention of any of that in their policies. True, they state that their intention is to 'withdraw from Europe to regain control of our borders' - well, okay, that may be draconian, but it is NOT racist. Every country on the planet needs to control it's borders in some way. What UKIP are banging on about is the EU open borders agreement and how that has affected this country - hence their _iew that we need to 'regain control'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thin end of the wedge, one of these days we will be reading that the authorities have taken children away from BNP supporters, or muslim families because of the parents political beliefs. Anyone remember the 50's, when they removed children and sent them to Canada, Australia and points beyond?

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By *orkieMan
over a year ago

Who knows

The kids were on an emegency placement order, which I gather is a short term fix. The foster parents were a 20 +year RN reservist with a qualified nursery nurse wife. They encouraged the kids to continue to use their mother tongue and teach the foster parents some of it. What is wrong with that??????

As such the couple will have had extensive screening and vetting carried out so that children can be entrusted into their care.

It is blatently obvious that a cock up has been made big style but the question to ask is "Was the mistake the action or the reaction"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And for reasons like this when qualify in 6 months as a social worker there's no way i will be going near child services.Most social workers beg not to be put in child services as it has been proven within 4 yrs you will have a nervous breakdown as so much goes on behind the scenes that the public never hear about,Social work is the hardest job ever and we are all tied and bound by rules,policies and procedures and I bet you will find the social workers involved did not agree with the decision but due to legality had to do it."

social work is not the hardest job ever - its one of them but think of the foster carers too - social workers get to go home at 5 pm ........... when does the foster carer go home?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

....... seen to be contributing fairly.

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By *ady4ladyWoman
over a year ago

liverpool

"Thin end of the wedge, one of these days we will be reading that the authorities have taken children away from BNP supporters, or muslim families because of the parents political beliefs. Anyone remember the 50's, when they removed children and sent them to Canada, Australia and points beyond?"

oh yes, and there but for the grace of God go I.

Feel for all on this one, the kids, the foster parents, social services and the biological parents, what a mess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Social workers dont like taking children into care? Well they seem to be doing a lot of that over the years.

The fuck?

Here in Sheffield they have hundreds of posters and advert campaigns with the tag line "please adopt".

Not a chance in hell will I adopt with those people looking over my shoulder.

the thing is in a job like social work you'll never get it right

If as child dies they're not doing their job right and it was their fault for not investigating properly

If they go see a child and get it wrong and there child is ok they're still not doing their job right

Social workers dont have some op that makes them super human, we all make mistakes and if going to 10 houses and getting it wrong means one child that does need help is found then so be it

No they threatened to take both my nephew and niece if they didn't get a satisfactory answer.

Also you have stated they came round to have 'a chat' regarding your bisexuality and 3 little girls.

If that was me then I would have gone ape shit. Not only would they get both barrels but I would have found out who made the call.

So being bi or gay makes people pedophiles now? Well that seems to run true for a lot of idiots but its a whole different thing when an institution sends people to investigate you for it.

I cant imagine lots of gay couples in San Francisco having that sort of treatment unless it was a religious organisation.

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By *evilwolfCouple
over a year ago

Leicestershire

Great result for the middle class dogooders.. hope they're made up with this one.

The whole thing's bonkers.

Wolf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Social workers dont like taking children into care? Well they seem to be doing a lot of that over the years.

The fuck?

Here in Sheffield they have hundreds of posters and advert campaigns with the tag line "please adopt".

Not a chance in hell will I adopt with those people looking over my shoulder.

Good. Personally I wouldn't want to see children adopted by someone who cannot make his point without uttering profanities."

Keep it to yourself snowflake, I know a fair bit about how to bring up kids and you don't know anything about me.

Oh wait a minute, I forgot I didn't give a damn about your opinion.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

poor children

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"This is so so wrong UkIP isn't BNP , and even if it was when did social services start bringing politics into foster caring!

You think it would be OK placing a troubled child from an ethnic background with a BNP supporter...really?!!

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.

"Just saw this on breakfast.

Oh yeah, their local council is Labour....Figures."

just another typical labour run farce as far as i can see,they are better even at running a farce than brian rix in his hey day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is so so wrong UkIP isn't BNP , and even if it was when did social services start bringing politics into foster caring!

You think it would be OK placing a troubled child from an ethnic background with a BNP supporter...really?!!

Your question is moot. Do you really think a BNP supporter would take an ethnic minority?

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think the local elections that are due in Rotherham might be interesting as will how long the person who made the decision stays in their job afterwards.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think the local elections that are due in Rotherham might be interesting as will how long the person who made the decision stays in their job afterwards. "
Be really interesting to see the turnout and the voting figures after the result is announced...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the local elections that are due in Rotherham might be interesting as will how long the person who made the decision stays in their job afterwards. Be really interesting to see the turnout and the voting figures after the result is announced...

It will be smoke screened well before then.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

It will be smoke screened well before then."
Probably, but time will tell... and as it's this coming Thursday it will still be fresh in people's minds... but we'll see...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all political propaganda because the other parties will know that UKIP will be popular if they promise to take us out of the euro considering the other parties continue to dither about it.

They're just trying to paint UKIP as the BNP which they clearly aren't.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"It's all political propaganda because the other parties will know that UKIP will be popular if they promise to take us out of the euro considering the other parties continue to dither about it.

They're just trying to paint UKIP as the BNP which they clearly aren't.

.......... not yet, perhaps, but they're trying hard.

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