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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

This is just breaking on the Daily Telegraph website so there might be more to the story than meets the eye but *IF* the story is as described this is surely disgraceful.

BTW I am no UKIP supporter or voter but they are a legitimate political party.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9700001/Foster-parents-stigmatised-and-slandered-for-being-members-of-Ukip.html

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

They maybe but their views are extreme..

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

It'd be hard to make such nonsense up, yet someone clearly has.

It has almost every Telegraph reader's dog whistle triggers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

As I said in my first posting, there may be more to the background to the removal of the children from the fosterers but if they truly were removed because of the UKIP angle, it is a terrible decision. UKIP can be a joke and they are Little Englanders but I am sure you will find as many racists in the Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, Scots Nats, Clwyd Cymru parties.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

there has to be more to it than that.... if it is true then we have an issue....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"there has to be more to it than that.... if it is true then we have an issue...."

Yes, as a people have said on Twitter, if this story were on the Daily Mail, Express or Sun websites it would smell very fishy straight away. It could prove to be bollocks, and hopefully it is, but it doesn't look good.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

UKIP position themselves as 'the acceptable face of racism'.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap. (not my words but I can't find a source).

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"UKIP position themselves as 'the acceptable face of racism'.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap. (not my words but I can't find a source)."

Is that a quotation from their election pamphlet. They are certainly nationalistic and I would never vote for them but remind me, who said "British jobs for British people"

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"UKIP position themselves as 'the acceptable face of racism'.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap. (not my words but I can't find a source).

Is that a quotation from their election pamphlet. They are certainly nationalistic and I would never vote for them but remind me, who said "British jobs for British people""

it's similar to a biblical quote from Galatians

"whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap"

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"UKIP position themselves as 'the acceptable face of racism'.

As ye sow, so shall ye reap. (not my words but I can't find a source).

Is that a quotation from their election pamphlet. They are certainly nationalistic and I would never vote for them but remind me, who said "British jobs for British people""

I don't doubt they used the words too but I can't imagine they're the originators - unloess you have source material?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"

it's similar to a biblical quote from Galatians

"whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap""

The Authorised Version has much to apologise for.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"

it's similar to a biblical quote from Galatians

"whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap"

The Authorised Version has much to apologise for."

sorry it's the only version I really know

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Turns out David Cameron described UKIP as " sort of a bunch of ... fruitcakes and loonies and closet racists mostly," in an interview with LBC Radio.

He wasn't wrong but for some reason he's backtracking.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With a by-election in Rotherham this week too. How convenient for UKIP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

While i understand the need to be careful where kids are placed, I really don't think UKIP is extreme by any measure. Not long ago they barred a couple from adopting because the guy was too fat, their reason was that he might not be around long enough to have any meaningful influence on the kids. Another couple were barred because they smoke. The system sucks and we have little hitlers in charge and they interpret the rules in the manner they see fit. I'm glad to see that not only the council involved, but the ruling party in Rotherham as well as the government have asked for answers over this ridiculous situation. This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Despite railing against recent ad hominems, I could help but note that Joyce Thacker (Head of Children's Services in Rotherham) has the look of someone who hasn't had her hole for a veeeeeeeeeeeery long time.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"........This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all."

No problems we know of yet.

How long did it take before people understood what Savile had been up to?

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"While i understand the need to be careful where kids are placed, I really don't think UKIP is extreme by any measure. Not long ago they barred a couple from adopting because the guy was too fat, their reason was that he might not be around long enough to have any meaningful influence on the kids. Another couple were barred because they smoke. The system sucks and we have little hitlers in charge and they interpret the rules in the manner they see fit. I'm glad to see that not only the council involved, but the ruling party in Rotherham as well as the government have asked for answers over this ridiculous situation. This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all."

Totally agree with you, it costs over £6000 a week to keep a kid in care, foster carers save this country a fortune,and if this is how they are treated no wonder we need an additional 8000 of them...what a crazy world !

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

The children the couple foster are Eastern European so by belonging to a racist political party they can't look after foreign children...simple as that.

All councils polices would be the same regarding the fostering of overseas children to people with strong political views that could be seen to be harmful emotional & educational in their welfare.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"While i understand the need to be careful where kids are placed, I really don't think UKIP is extreme by any measure. Not long ago they barred a couple from adopting because the guy was too fat, their reason was that he might not be around long enough to have any meaningful influence on the kids. Another couple were barred because they smoke. The system sucks and we have little hitlers in charge and they interpret the rules in the manner they see fit. I'm glad to see that not only the council involved, but the ruling party in Rotherham as well as the government have asked for answers over this ridiculous situation. This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

Totally agree with you, it costs over £6000 a week to keep a kid in care, foster carers save this country a fortune,and if this is how they are treated no wonder we need an additional 8000 of them...what a crazy world !"

£6000 a week? I think you need to check that again it doesn't cost that to keep a high dependency terminal care patient with 24/7 care.

Care homes are not cheap for children but it costs not a lot less to keep children in foster homes.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"The children the couple foster are Eastern European so by belonging to a racist political party they can't look after foreign children...simple as that.

All councils polices would be the same regarding the fostering of overseas children to people with strong political views that could be seen to be harmful emotional & educational in their welfare. "

So what party does not have strong political views then ,and why are all the other mainstream parties saying this is wrong ?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"While i understand the need to be careful where kids are placed, I really don't think UKIP is extreme by any measure. Not long ago they barred a couple from adopting because the guy was too fat, their reason was that he might not be around long enough to have any meaningful influence on the kids. Another couple were barred because they smoke. The system sucks and we have little hitlers in charge and they interpret the rules in the manner they see fit. I'm glad to see that not only the council involved, but the ruling party in Rotherham as well as the government have asked for answers over this ridiculous situation. This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

Totally agree with you, it costs over £6000 a week to keep a kid in care, foster carers save this country a fortune,and if this is how they are treated no wonder we need an additional 8000 of them...what a crazy world !"

How much of this £6,000 a wek to foster carers get?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

week.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

John used to work for social services & these things are checked out before foster carers are passed e.g. no police records, not belonging to any organizations that could prove harmful to the children you are looking after.

Would you put foreign children with them now knowing their political beliefs? and if something did happen it would be the councils head would be on the block...no win situation for either side.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"John used to work for social services & these things are checked out before foster carers are passed e.g. no police records, not belonging to any organizations that could prove harmful to the children you are looking after.

Would you put foreign children with them now knowing their political beliefs? and if something did happen it would be the councils head would be on the block...no win situation for either side.

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Maybe there's a case for excluding those with extreme political/ religious beliefs from being in a position to impair the development of children.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

UKIP wants to leave the EU to "regain control of our borders".

They also want to "Freeze permanent immigration for 5 years. Immigrants must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels and show they can financially support themselves."

And "Bring in a points based visa system and time limited work permits."

How is this racist? Nowhere in their manifesto do they say they want to exclude any specific group of people, whether it's colour, creed or religion. Labour slapped the racist tag on them simply because UKIP wanted to debate the free for all immigration policy. If that's racist, then i guess I must be racist as well.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"UKIP wants to leave the EU to "regain control of our borders".

They also want to "Freeze permanent immigration for 5 years. Immigrants must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels and show they can financially support themselves."

And "Bring in a points based visa system and time limited work permits."

How is this racist? Nowhere in their manifesto do they say they want to exclude any specific group of people, whether it's colour, creed or religion. Labour slapped the racist tag on them simply because UKIP wanted to debate the free for all immigration policy. If that's racist, then i guess I must be racist as well."

As I said (above)


"Turns out David Cameron described UKIP as " sort of a bunch of ... fruitcakes and loonies and closet racists mostly," in an interview with LBC Radio.

He wasn't wrong but for some reason he's backtracking."

He's quite happy to be racist, there's no reason why you shouldn't be too, eh?

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By *ustyAngelWoman
over a year ago

gloucester


"John used to work for social services & these things are checked out before foster carers are passed e.g. no police records, not belonging to any organizations that could prove harmful to the children you are looking after.

Would you put foreign children with them now knowing their political beliefs? and if something did happen it would be the councils head would be on the block...no win situation for either side.

"

In which case they shouldnt have been placed into the home in the first place - that was the epic failing.

No point in the council shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted as long as the children once placed were not showing signs of harm it would be less stressful ON THE CHILDREN to leave them where they were.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"........This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

No problems we know of yet.

How long did it take before people understood what Savile had been up to?"

That's a pretty cheap connection to make. There is no suggestion that any children fostered by this couple have ever been at risk of sexual molestation.

You should retract that.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"Immigrants must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels "

How many foreign children could do as you say above & is it right to put them in position where if enforced by racist foster carers would it not be harmful to the children.

Your last comments show why its important to remove them straight away & put them with immigrant friendly foster carers instead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

These three siblings were content with their foster carers and could count themselves lucky that they found someone willing to take them all so they wouldn't be separated.

Compare this with the woman who was jailed for shaking her baby to death and had her other child adopted out. She was later exonerated of killing her own baby yet she can never have her surviving child back because it would be distressing to the child to be separated from her adoptive parents and returned to her natural mother.

Social services keep fucking things up time and again. They should be renamed the Total Fuckwits Agency.

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By *imjohnCouple
over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex


"........This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

No problems we know of yet.

How long did it take before people understood what Savile had been up to?

That's a pretty cheap connection to make. There is no suggestion that any children fostered by this couple have ever been at risk of sexual molestation.

You should retract that."

They may have changed their political views after being passed but now their views are out in the open this couple won't stand a chance of fostering again.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"UKIP wants to leave the EU to "regain control of our borders".

They also want to "Freeze permanent immigration for 5 years. Immigrants must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels and show they can financially support themselves."

And "Bring in a points based visa system and time limited work permits."

How is this racist? Nowhere in their manifesto do they say they want to exclude any specific group of people, whether it's colour, creed or religion. Labour slapped the racist tag on them simply because UKIP wanted to debate the free for all immigration policy. If that's racist, then i guess I must be racist as well."

I think your right here ,once anyone wants a sensible grown up debate about

how many extra people we can absorb into the country,its get heated up as racism,even if its about the logistics

of how many we can cope with them.

I am not a UKIP supporter but i have not seen any extremist views tbh all they want is to raise an issue every other mainstream party seems incapable of having.

I mix with and have friends who are Moslem,Hindu's,Africans,West Indians, ,eastern Europeans and they sometimes want to talk about the numbers too (especially if they are unemployed).

There is a limit for every country in terms of population, as long as its not based of race,religion,colour or creed why should a mainstream party who raise that issue as part of their manifesto be branded racist's ?

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"These three siblings were content with their foster carers and could count themselves lucky that they found someone willing to take them all so they wouldn't be separated.

"

That's a good point wishy, there cant be many foster carers who could of taken 3 siblings together ,i bet the poor mites have now been separated and are wondering wtf is going on.

I spy lawyers approaching and a heavy bill for the council eventually .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

quite right too. racist bastards.

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By *iker BullMan
over a year ago

leeds

What a system we live in,,perfectly good parents,and children removed because of their political persuasion,on the other hand children are abused in council care homes,,what is going on the whole system is corrupt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So where is all this going to end if we take a persons political views into account re:fostering?

Are we going to have Conservative run councils taking children away from Labour-voting Foster Carers? Are Lib-Dem councils going to take kids away from Tory run ones?

This is just stupidity, and with NO basis in fact.

I wouldn't support UKIP for reasons of my own, but whilst their immigration policies may seem tough, they are NOT racist in any way - their policies are, in fact, no different to those applied in countries around the world. As for the statement made to the couple that 'UKIP want all Europeans thrown out of the country' - this is just complete b*****ks!!!!!

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"While i understand the need to be careful where kids are placed, I really don't think UKIP is extreme by any measure. Not long ago they barred a couple from adopting because the guy was too fat, their reason was that he might not be around long enough to have any meaningful influence on the kids. Another couple were barred because they smoke. The system sucks and we have little hitlers in charge and they interpret the rules in the manner they see fit. I'm glad to see that not only the council involved, but the ruling party in Rotherham as well as the government have asked for answers over this ridiculous situation. This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

Totally agree with you, it costs over £6000 a week to keep a kid in care, foster carers save this country a fortune,and if this is how they are treated no wonder we need an additional 8000 of them...what a crazy world !

How much of this £6,000 a wek to foster carers get?"

I did some checking around with someone who i know who fosters this morning.

Generally they get just over £2 per hour, per child from that they have to feed and clothe the child and fully provide ,it includes an element for transporting them to Doctors ,hospitals,school etc,pocket money and savings,along with arranging regular supervised trips to meet the birth parents.

They do get transport costs "sometimes" for attending training courses which are often mandatory.

They are assessed every year based on performance and re-evaluated for fitness to Foster.

All that for just over £2 an hour,seems to make it something you do to give back ,rather than take. No wonder there is a shortage .

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Is that £2.00 per hour x 168 hours/ week?

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By *i 1 Get 1 FreeCouple (MM)
over a year ago

birmingham


"Social services keep fucking things up time and again. They should be renamed the Total Fuckwits Agency. "

Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.

We seldom hear of the good work they do.

I've yet to come across anyone who has decided to qualify as a SW, believing they can do a better job.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"Is that £2.00 per hour x 168 hours/ week?"

Its a 24 hour a day job so it must be.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

So it would seem.

The simply fostering website reckons "On average, Independent Fostering Agencies pay a basic weekly fostering allowance and fee of £380 per week for all ages of foster children."

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

One must be ........

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By *ngel Devil69Couple
over a year ago

Manilva

This all stinks of "big brother" telling what we can and can't do, who we can and can't support etc. problem is now we have gone so far down the PC and health & safety route, there's no going back. Our forefathers fought two world wars to ensure our freedom and we are constantly being told, "don't do this, you can't say that" .

Countries fucked. All by our own doing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is just breaking on the Daily Telegraph website so there might be more to the story than meets the eye but *IF* the story is as described this is surely disgraceful.

BTW I am no UKIP supporter or voter but they are a legitimate political party.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9700001/Foster-parents-stigmatised-and-slandered-for-being-members-of-Ukip.html"

Personally I think the Council did the children a favour. Being brought up in Rotherham, or whatever other armpit it was, is bad enough, but being brought up by the kind of half-wits who vote Ukip, is adding insult to injury.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

ukip want to bring in the same sort of point scoring immigration system that works in australia, canada and the US..... and yet none of those are being called racist........

just a thought.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This is just breaking on the Daily Telegraph website so there might be more to the story than meets the eye but *IF* the story is as described this is surely disgraceful.

BTW I am no UKIP supporter or voter but they are a legitimate political party.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9700001/Foster-parents-stigmatised-and-slandered-for-being-members-of-Ukip.html

Personally I think the Council did the children a favour. Being brought up in Rotherham, or whatever other armpit it was, is bad enough, but being brought up by the kind of half-wits who vote Ukip, is adding insult to injury."

Totally uncalled for, there are halfwits who vote for every party, your political persuasion has nothing to do with your level of intelligence. To suggest it does, shows your lack of intelligence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ukip want to bring in the same sort of point scoring immigration system that works in australia, canada and the US..... and yet none of those are being called racist........

just a thought....."

The UK has a points scoring system for immigrants outside of the EU, including the commonwealth.

In relation to the kids being removed from the placement, we're NEVER going to know the full story.

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


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In relation to the kids being removed from the placement, we're NEVER going to know the full story. "

This echoes my concern over taking position on highly emotive and sensitive issues. It is all too easy to makea judgment based on the information available... but who knows how much we actually do know. In cases involving Social Services and vulnerable people including children there is an information flow on a "need to know" basis.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

In relation to the kids being removed from the placement, we're NEVER going to know the full story.

This echoes my concern over taking position on highly emotive and sensitive issues. It is all too easy to makea judgment based on the information available... but who knows how much we actually do know. In cases involving Social Services and vulnerable people including children there is an information flow on a "need to know" basis. "

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"ukip want to bring in the same sort of point scoring immigration system that works in australia, canada and the US..... and yet none of those are being called racist........

just a thought.....

The UK has a points scoring system for immigrants outside of the EU, including the commonwealth.

In relation to the kids being removed from the placement, we're NEVER going to know the full story. "

fully agree....

if this is the system they are advocating i don't see how people can call people who support ukip as racist.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh well , no one else will admit so I will . I support UKIP. , I am sick with the main three parties and their lies.

I am also patriotic , which according to many of the frothier mouthed liberals is tantamount to admitting I am a racist which I am not .

I see things in a simple way , we have x amount of land and x amount of houses and yet we are allowing a , mostly uncounted, flow of immigrants into this country , there has to be a point where you say "no more " .

I also have a distaste for that corrupt gravy train that is currently know as the EC , I see our armed services being decimated in number to allow for a European Army, Navy and Air Force , that is already happening , we already have a European Police Force .

With the remaining choice of the BNP who really are a bunch of racist thugs or UKIP the choice was clear for me .

As for the social workers , well have a gander at what Christopher Booker in the Sunday Telegraph has to reveal about their Kafkaesque world regarding themselves and the family courts , anyone who works in a state of secrecy , where if the parents appeal to their MP for help they immediately get their kids taken away from them , where if all allegations fabricated by the social workers are proven lies they cannot have the kids back as It is deemed that It would be too distressing for the children to be given back to their birth parents , deserves to be scrutinised minutely .

All I can say regarding that is that in ten to twenty years time there is going to be a lot of people whom upon hearing the truth about their adoption will grow to hate social workers .

Was it not the great Alexi Sayle who once said " make a child happy this Christmas ,murder a social worker "?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


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Was it not the great Alexi Sayle who once said " make a child happy this Christmas ,murder a social worker "?"

I have no problem with anybody supporting whatever political view, party, lifestyle at all. We are all entitled to vote for what suits us.

I am not really fond of one professional group being singled out as the problem in cases like this. (I am not a social worker but I know quite a few and what a good job they do overall!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Was it not the great Alexi Sayle who once said " make a child happy this Christmas ,murder a social worker "?"

That is disgusting to repeat!

Regardless of what people's political or other views are, social workers do a very tough job. They are only human & it's inevitable that some mistakes will be made, but condoning murder is unacceptable!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This case could be a seriously damaging precedent if the couple are being judged on their politics rather than their practise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Was it not the great Alexi Sayle who once said " make a child happy this Christmas ,murder a social worker "?

That is disgusting to repeat!

Regardless of what people's political or other views are, social workers do a very tough job. They are only human & it's inevitable that some mistakes will be made, but condoning murder is unacceptable! "

Might have been said in jest?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Was it not the great Alexi Sayle who once said " make a child happy this Christmas ,murder a social worker "?

That is disgusting to repeat!

Regardless of what people's political or other views are, social workers do a very tough job. They are only human & it's inevitable that some mistakes will be made, but condoning murder is unacceptable!

Might have been said in jest?"

Regardless of jest or not, unfortunately there are people in this world who have acted on statements like that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really ?

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By *ngel Devil69Couple
over a year ago

Manilva

We are very close to a family that have been split up by social workers and their Family Court. They work on 'probability' and do not need to provide hard evidence. After years of the social workers lying in this so called Family Court, our friends are now being told that it would be distressing and upsetting to move the children back from their current families. The view of 'innocent until proven guilty' was never used here.

This system breaks families, not helps them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you .

There are people who are very concerned about what is going on and are watching . You are not alone .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This system breaks families, not helps them. "

What system is this?? As a social services employee who works within a team to support families in crisis where the clear directive is to keep the child with their family.

Sadly the 99% that social workers call correctly is unreported.....the 1% where they MAY have made the wrong call gets knee jerk reactions. Its a thankless job being a social worker

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"This system breaks families, not helps them.

What system is this?? As a social services employee who works within a team to support families in crisis where the clear directive is to keep the child with their family.

Sadly the 99% that social workers call correctly is unreported.....the 1% where they MAY have made the wrong call gets knee jerk reactions. Its a thankless job being a social worker "
You are not alone!

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

staffs


"ukip want to bring in the same sort of point scoring immigration system that works in australia, canada and the US..... and yet none of those are being called racist........

just a thought....."

Wondered when the penny would drop about these countries....

This couple had placed the children in a suitable school and were attempting to learn the children's language according to a statement today..

UKIP I think appeals to a portion or section of society who remember a different time.

for instance when we had heavy industry and manufacturing and didn't seem to being constantly fighting in the court of human rights, people respected each other and you could leave your front door unlocked! And theirs nothing wrong with that wish! People don't realise they've never had it so good!

incidently HR was created for a different time and is no longer uptodate for society in general.

UKIP is a recognised political party and as such should not be taken into account.

I thought you're vote is sacred between you and the ballot box. UKIP is on the ballot paper isn't it?

It will be interesting to see the outcome of the investigation called for by the labour councillor called for on Monday, heads will roll over this!

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"ukip want to bring in the same sort of point scoring immigration system that works in australia, canada and the US..... and yet none of those are being called racist........

just a thought.....

Wondered when the penny would drop about these countries....

This couple had placed the children in a suitable school and were attempting to learn the children's language according to a statement today..

UKIP I think appeals to a portion or section of society who remember a different time.

for instance when we had heavy industry and manufacturing and didn't seem to being constantly fighting in the court of human rights, people respected each other and you could leave your front door unlocked! And theirs nothing wrong with that wish! People don't realise they've never had it so good!

incidently HR was created for a different time and is no longer uptodate for society in general.

UKIP is a recognised political party and as such should not be taken into account.

I thought you're vote is sacred between you and the ballot box. UKIP is on the ballot paper isn't it?

It will be interesting to see the outcome of the investigation called for by the labour councillor called for on Monday, heads will roll over this!

"

The true test will be the by-election later this week. I doubt Farage will be able to repeat his plane crash stunt in such sort order

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This system breaks families, not helps them.

What system is this?? As a social services employee who works within a team to support families in crisis where the clear directive is to keep the child with their family.

Sadly the 99% that social workers call correctly is unreported.....the 1% where they MAY have made the wrong call gets knee jerk reactions. Its a thankless job being a social worker You are not alone! "

It is one thing to be criticised over your job , it is quiet another to have your children literally torn away from you with seemingly no redress .

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

It is one thing to be criticised over your job , it is quiet another to have your children literally torn away from you with seemingly no redress . "

I agree with you there and I feel, probably as you do, that each case deserves its own investigation. I would hate to think that any vulnerable young person be removed unnecessarily so I am completely with you on that.

I am also in favour of not tarring all representatives of any profession with the same brush and in fairness, social works often find themselves very exposed and at the receiving end of criticism even before a full investigation has taken place. Sometimes it feels as if they are the whipping boy for problems that lie elsewhere and that may be a result of more than one failing. Would you agree?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It is one thing to be criticised over your job , it is quiet another to have your children literally torn away from you with seemingly no redress .

I agree with you there and I feel, probably as you do, that each case deserves its own investigation. I would hate to think that any vulnerable young person be removed unnecessarily so I am completely with you on that.

I am also in favour of not tarring all representatives of any profession with the same brush and in fairness, social works often find themselves very exposed and at the receiving end of criticism even before a full investigation has taken place. Sometimes it feels as if they are the whipping boy for problems that lie elsewhere and that may be a result of more than one failing. Would you agree? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The true test will be the by-election later this week. I doubt Farage will be able to repeat his plane crash stunt in such sort order "
If you read all the details on it, that crash was far from a stunt, and resulted in the pilot being found guilty of making threats to kill both Farage and the CAA investigator..

Having said that, you wouldn't catch me going up in a plane towing a flippin great banner!! No chance!!!

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By *ollycouple71Couple
over a year ago

manchester

A bit of irony here a family that supports ukip having eastern European children taken of them the question should be that this family traveled across Europe came here and are a burden on this state because they can't look after them prob didn't earn much washing car Windows so yes we should close borders and support r people .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

It is one thing to be criticised over your job , it is quiet another to have your children literally torn away from you with seemingly no redress .

I agree with you there and I feel, probably as you do, that each case deserves its own investigation. I would hate to think that any vulnerable young person be removed unnecessarily so I am completely with you on that.

I am also in favour of not tarring all representatives of any profession with the same brush and in fairness, social works often find themselves very exposed and at the receiving end of criticism even before a full investigation has taken place. Sometimes it feels as if they are the whipping boy for problems that lie elsewhere and that may be a result of more than one failing. Would you agree? "

Yes .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"While i understand the need to be careful where kids are placed, I really don't think UKIP is extreme by any measure. Not long ago they barred a couple from adopting because the guy was too fat, their reason was that he might not be around long enough to have any meaningful influence on the kids. Another couple were barred because they smoke. The system sucks and we have little hitlers in charge and they interpret the rules in the manner they see fit. I'm glad to see that not only the council involved, but the ruling party in Rotherham as well as the government have asked for answers over this ridiculous situation. This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

Totally agree with you, it costs over £6000 a week to keep a kid in care, foster carers save this country a fortune,and if this is how they are treated no wonder we need an additional 8000 of them...what a crazy world !

How much of this £6,000 a wek to foster carers get?

I did some checking around with someone who i know who fosters this morning.

Generally they get just over £2 per hour, per child from that they have to feed and clothe the child and fully provide ,it includes an element for transporting them to Doctors ,hospitals,school etc,pocket money and savings,along with arranging regular supervised trips to meet the birth parents.

They do get transport costs "sometimes" for attending training courses which are often mandatory.

They are assessed every year based on performance and re-evaluated for fitness to Foster.

All that for just over £2 an hour,seems to make it something you do to give back ,rather than take. No wonder there is a shortage . "

Council fostering starts off at £167. a week for a baby onwards.

Private fostering starts off at £350 a week per child.

I just thank god that the council didnt back the social worker up in taking the children.

That's why family courts should be open.

Social workers need no proof to take a child. They just have to voice their opinions

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"The true test will be the by-election later this week. I doubt Farage will be able to repeat his plane crash stunt in such sort order

If you read all the details on it, that crash was far from a stunt, and resulted in the pilot being found guilty of making threats to kill both Farage and the CAA investigator..

Having said that, you wouldn't catch me going up in a plane towing a flippin great banner!! No chance!!!

"

The court case against the pilot was months after the crash and resulted from the pilot having lost income because of the crash.

It has no bearing on the events leading up to the crash or the crash itself.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"While i understand the need to be careful where kids are placed, I really don't think UKIP is extreme by any measure. Not long ago they barred a couple from adopting because the guy was too fat, their reason was that he might not be around long enough to have any meaningful influence on the kids. Another couple were barred because they smoke. The system sucks and we have little hitlers in charge and they interpret the rules in the manner they see fit. I'm glad to see that not only the council involved, but the ruling party in Rotherham as well as the government have asked for answers over this ridiculous situation. This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

Totally agree with you, it costs over £6000 a week to keep a kid in care, foster carers save this country a fortune,and if this is how they are treated no wonder we need an additional 8000 of them...what a crazy world !

How much of this £6,000 a wek to foster carers get?

I did some checking around with someone who i know who fosters this morning.

Generally they get just over £2 per hour, per child from that they have to feed and clothe the child and fully provide ,it includes an element for transporting them to Doctors ,hospitals,school etc,pocket money and savings,along with arranging regular supervised trips to meet the birth parents.

They do get transport costs "sometimes" for attending training courses which are often mandatory.

They are assessed every year based on performance and re-evaluated for fitness to Foster.

All that for just over £2 an hour,seems to make it something you do to give back ,rather than take. No wonder there is a shortage . "

Don't know where you did your checking. The rate varies, but is around £500/week per child.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't it seem a little odd to find a foster couple who are so pro UKIP, yet they take on three non-British children?

Doesn't that tell the social workers involved something about this couple? Maybe that they are prepared to set aside their political beliefs in order to care for children in desperate need of it?

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"Doesn't it seem a little odd to find a foster couple who are so pro UKIP, yet they take on three non-British children?

Doesn't that tell the social workers involved something about this couple? Maybe that they are prepared to set aside their political beliefs in order to care for children in desperate need of it?"
Wishy, I reserve judgment on the issue as I feel we will never know the whole story but I do understand your concern.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"While i understand the need to be careful where kids are placed, I really don't think UKIP is extreme by any measure. Not long ago they barred a couple from adopting because the guy was too fat, their reason was that he might not be around long enough to have any meaningful influence on the kids. Another couple were barred because they smoke. The system sucks and we have little hitlers in charge and they interpret the rules in the manner they see fit. I'm glad to see that not only the council involved, but the ruling party in Rotherham as well as the government have asked for answers over this ridiculous situation. This couple have been fostering kids for at least 7 years with no problems at all.

Totally agree with you, it costs over £6000 a week to keep a kid in care, foster carers save this country a fortune,and if this is how they are treated no wonder we need an additional 8000 of them...what a crazy world !

How much of this £6,000 a wek to foster carers get?

I did some checking around with someone who i know who fosters this morning.

Generally they get just over £2 per hour, per child from that they have to feed and clothe the child and fully provide ,it includes an element for transporting them to Doctors ,hospitals,school etc,pocket money and savings,along with arranging regular supervised trips to meet the birth parents.

They do get transport costs "sometimes" for attending training courses which are often mandatory.

They are assessed every year based on performance and re-evaluated for fitness to Foster.

All that for just over £2 an hour,seems to make it something you do to give back ,rather than take. No wonder there is a shortage .

Don't know where you did your checking. The rate varies, but is around £500/week per child."

My source was 2 fold,

1.Someone i nkow who has fostered for over 10 years

2. I made a call today to one of the largest Independent agencies in the UK and there words and I quote " between £340 and £390 pw ,However if a child is severely disabled needing extra support it can be higher"

I have no reason to dispute either sources word .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I also have 2 sources. They receive £450 & £500 respectively, and none of the children have any disabilities. They work for seperate, independent agencies in the North East, where I suspect the rate would be, if anything, lower than nationally.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"I also have 2 sources. They receive £450 & £500 respectively, and none of the children have any disabilities. They work for seperate, independent agencies in the North East, where I suspect the rate would be, if anything, lower than nationally."

Payments range from £43.62 per night to £61.20 per night (£305.34 to £428.40 per week) depending on the amount of allowance and the experience of the Carer.

Payments are paid directly into a bank account.

Additional allowances are made for birthdays, Christmas and holidays.

Under normal circumstances children receive up to 18 nights respite per year for which Carers receive full payment.

A retainer (up to 12 weeks) is paid when Carers have no placements.

If you want to know more ,Google How much do foster carers get paid about the 4th one down .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ukip want to bring in the same sort of point scoring immigration system that works in australia, canada and the US..... and yet none of those are being called racist........

just a thought....."

Because they're not. But Rotherham is a Labour-run council, that labels anything they don't agree with, as racist.

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"Doesn't it seem a little odd to find a foster couple who are so pro UKIP, yet they take on three non-British children?

Doesn't that tell the social workers involved something about this couple? Maybe that they are prepared to set aside their political beliefs in order to care for children in desperate need of it?"

I "have" to agree wishy, but you know I hate it when you talk sense .!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doesn't it seem a little odd to find a foster couple who are so pro UKIP, yet they take on three non-British children?

Doesn't that tell the social workers involved something about this couple? Maybe that they are prepared to set aside their political beliefs in order to care for children in desperate need of it?"
... OR.... that the 'beliefs' of UKIP members are nowhere near as extreme as the social work team seem to think...?

Pork

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ukip want to bring in the same sort of point scoring immigration system that works in australia, canada and the US..... and yet none of those are being called racist........

just a thought.....

Because they're not. But Rotherham is a Labour-run council, that labels anything they don't agree with, as racist."

That was the hallmark of the entire Labour govt. If you tried to say you were British and proud you were called a racist (Brown even called a woman in Rochdale a bigot on mic if you recall)

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By *leasureDomeMan
over a year ago

all over the place


"Doesn't it seem a little odd to find a foster couple who are so pro UKIP, yet they take on three non-British children?

Doesn't that tell the social workers involved something about this couple? Maybe that they are prepared to set aside their political beliefs in order to care for children in desperate need of it? ... OR.... that the 'beliefs' of UKIP members are nowhere near as extreme as the social work team seem to think...?

Pork"

Well you know what,i was thinking this too after going to ukips site and looking at there policies ,in fact its very similar to Tory policy who advocate cutting the numbers to 30000 per year and UKIP to 50000 per year ,the only difference is they want a 5 year freeze and out of Europe ,but where is the perceived racist element. Like many others on here i do not see it,if it was there i would endorse the decision 100%.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"............. If you tried to say you were British and proud you were called a racist (Brown even called a woman in Rochdale a bigot on mic if you recall)"

All we heard from Mrs Duffy suggested that she is, indeed, a bigot.

Should Gordon have called her such? Probably not and certainly not on mic, but it dosn't alter the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"............. If you tried to say you were British and proud you were called a racist (Brown even called a woman in Rochdale a bigot on mic if you recall)

All we heard from Mrs Duffy suggested that she is, indeed, a bigot.

Should Gordon have called her such? Probably not and certainly not on mic, but it dosn't alter the facts."

Didn't come across as biggotted to me. Certainly less so than your average Scot

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"

Didn't come across as biggotted to me. Certainly less so than your average Scot"

I am not getting involved in this specific debate... however, I am not really terribly comfortable with the negative statement about Scots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"............. If you tried to say you were British and proud you were called a racist (Brown even called a woman in Rochdale a bigot on mic if you recall)

All we heard from Mrs Duffy suggested that she is, indeed, a bigot.

Should Gordon have called her such? Probably not and certainly not on mic, but it dosn't alter the facts."

How is she a bigot? Here's what she asked Brown:

~

Duffy: We had it drummed in when I was a child with mine … it was education, health service and looking after the people who are vulnerable. But there's too many people now who are vulnerable but they can claim and people who are vulnerable can't get claim, can't get it.

Brown: But they shouldn't be doing that, there is no life on the dole for people any more. If you are unemployed you've got to go back to work. It's six months.

Duffy: You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're … but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?

~

And then Brown in the car later:

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Brown: That was a disaster. Well I just ... should never have put me in with that woman. Whose idea was that?

Aide: I don't know, I didn't see.

Brown: It was Sue [Nye] I think. It was just ridiculous.

Aide: I'm not sure if they [the media] will go with that.

Brown: They will go with that.

Aide: What did she say?

Brown: Oh everything, she was just a sort of bigoted woman. She said she used be Labour. I mean it's just ridiculous.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Mrs Duffy's question

"but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?" hardly requires an response.

Eastern Europe is almost certainly the answer.

Not just bigoted but also not very bright.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mrs Duffy's question

"but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?" hardly requires an response.

Eastern Europe is almost certainly the answer.

Not just bigoted but also not very bright."

Explain to me just how a woman asking where certain foreigners come from is bigoted? That's exactly what this country has been like under Labour. People being labelled 'racist' for daring to ask questions Labour didn't want to answer!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Doesn't it seem a little odd to find a foster couple who are so pro UKIP, yet they take on three non-British children?

Doesn't that tell the social workers involved something about this couple? Maybe that they are prepared to set aside their political beliefs in order to care for children in desperate need of it? ... OR.... that the 'beliefs' of UKIP members are nowhere near as extreme as the social work team seem to think...?

Pork

Well you know what,i was thinking this too after going to ukips site and looking at there policies ,in fact its very similar to Tory policy who advocate cutting the numbers to 30000 per year and UKIP to 50000 per year ,the only difference is they want a 5 year freeze and out of Europe ,but where is the perceived racist element. Like many others on here i do not see it,if it was there i would endorse the decision 100%."

On immigration, they're not advocating anything which is either unreasonable, or which isn't applied in any other country around the world in one way or another.

The only reason for the five year freeze - so I understand - is to give the authorities time to REALLY work out exactly who has come in (and out) and find out where we are and what we need going forward. And all that is due to successive governments being too flippin afraid to do a proper job on the subject.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"

That was the hallmark of the entire Labour govt. If you tried to say you were British and proud you were called a racist "

bit of a sweeping generalisation to say the 'entire' Labour govt..

bit like saying the current lot ALL think Police officers are 'plebs'..

neither are acurate..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mrs Duffy's question

"but all these eastern European what are coming in, where are they flocking from?" hardly requires an response.

Eastern Europe is almost certainly the answer.

Not just bigoted but also not very bright."

WHERE is she biggotted? There is nothing in that sentence. In front of a media circus, not scripted, didn't come across like that to me. I'm sure you would have left everyone gasping in awe, at your retort.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If the Labour government hadn't been so happy to leave our borders open to all comers, one has to ask, would this situation ever have occurred in the first place? Labour deliberately opened our borders in the face of huge opposition, not only from the various political parties, but from the general public as well. Instead of labelling anyone who tried to discuss migration as racist, Labour would have been far better off listening to peoples fears and acting on them. Now we have thousands of people claiming benefits and thousands more still trying to get here to claim benefits. Every country has the right and a duty to control migrant numbers, as long as the controls are exercised in a fair manner, no one can claim racism.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"John used to work for social services & these things are checked out before foster carers are passed e.g. no police records, not belonging to any organizations that could prove harmful to the children you are looking after.

Would you put foreign children with them now knowing their political beliefs? and if something did happen it would be the councils head would be on the block...no win situation for either side.

"

Do you mind if I respectfully ask if your husband worked in social services (and was therefore presumably in contact with vulnerable people) whilst also making the commercially available porn movies you star in? I must assume he did not.

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By *i-shoptonMan
over a year ago

bishopton

I support the SNP in Scotland........ Presumably supporters of the SNP shouldn't be allowed to foster due to there 'extreme' political views..........

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If the Labour government hadn't been so happy to leave our borders open to all comers, one has to ask, would this situation ever have occurred in the first place? Labour deliberately opened our borders in the face of huge opposition, not only from the various political parties, but from the general public as well. Instead of labelling anyone who tried to discuss migration as racist, Labour would have been far better off listening to peoples fears and acting on them. Now we have thousands of people claiming benefits and thousands more still trying to get here to claim benefits. Every country has the right and a duty to control migrant numbers, as long as the controls are exercised in a fair manner, no one can claim racism."

I agree wholeheartedly with this entire statement.

The problem with a sudden influx of people of different race and/or culture is that they overwhelm the existing population to the point that local people who may have previously been quite tolerant of immigrants settling in their neighbourhood are now anxious that the way of life they have known all their lives is eroded to make the newcomers feel more at home (although one would think if they wanted to feel 'at home', home would have been the best place to feel it).

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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland


"If the Labour government hadn't been so happy to leave our borders open to all comers, one has to ask, would this situation ever have occurred in the first place? Labour deliberately opened our borders in the face of huge opposition, not only from the various political parties, but from the general public as well. Instead of labelling anyone who tried to discuss migration as racist, Labour would have been far better off listening to peoples fears and acting on them. Now we have thousands of people claiming benefits and thousands more still trying to get here to claim benefits. Every country has the right and a duty to control migrant numbers, as long as the controls are exercised in a fair manner, no one can claim racism.

I agree wholeheartedly with this entire statement.

The problem with a sudden influx of people of different race and/or culture is that they overwhelm the existing population to the point that local people who may have previously been quite tolerant of immigrants settling in their neighbourhood are now anxious that the way of life they have known all their lives is eroded to make the newcomers feel more at home (although one would think if they wanted to feel 'at home', home would have been the best place to feel it)."

WTF are you doing here, Wishy when you have the fabster admiring, discussing and rating your cock... nad there are even some that show signs of unhealthy envy!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"John used to work for social services & these things are checked out before foster carers are passed e.g. no police records, not belonging to any organizations that could prove harmful to the children you are looking after.

Would you put foreign children with them now knowing their political beliefs? and if something did happen it would be the councils head would be on the block...no win situation for either side.

Do you mind if I respectfully ask if your husband worked in social services (and was therefore presumably in contact with vulnerable people) whilst also making the commercially available porn movies you star in? I must assume he did not.

"

The operative words in this is "USED TO". To me and most other people, that means he no longer works in that capacity, even if he did, do you believe that people working in the porn industry are not capable of being caring and sympathetic?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

The operative words in this is "USED TO". To me and most other people, that means he no longer works in that capacity, even if he did, do you believe that people working in the porn industry are not capable of being caring and sympathetic? "

Of course I do. My point would be that I also think a couple who think there should be a cap on immigration are probably also capable of being caring and sympathetic foster carers wheras Kim seems to have written them off.

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


" ......

The operative words in this is "USED TO". To me and most other people, that means he no longer works in that capacity, even if he did, do you believe that people working in the porn industry are not capable of being caring and sympathetic? "

It doesn't matter what WE think. The slightest suggestion that a social worker (or cop or cleric or whatever) could indulge in our sort of pervery is more than enough to send many areas of the media into a near orgasmic state.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

http://tgr.ph/SDHx88

Still at it

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By *ucky_LadsCouple (MM)
over a year ago

Kidderminster+ surrounding areas.


"I support the SNP in Scotland........ Presumably supporters of the SNP shouldn't be allowed to foster due to there 'extreme' political views.........."

or to post on fabs even?.lol

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By *ctavius StuntMan
over a year ago

london

Please someone correct me if i havnt understood this issue. children were removed from people because they are members of UKIP, because ukip has rascist views.

ukip as far as i know are a recognised political party in the uk. You can vote for ukip in general and local elections.

But according to some social workers they have rascist views and policy's.

Im just wondering if that is possible in a country where it is a criminal offence to insight racial hatred ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Please someone correct me if i havnt understood this issue. children were removed from people because they are members of UKIP, because ukip has rascist views.

ukip as far as i know are a recognised political party in the uk. You can vote for ukip in general and local elections.

But according to some social workers they have rascist views and policy's.

Im just wondering if that is possible in a country where it is a criminal offence to insight racial hatred ?"

I think it has more to do with the fact that the children were from a immigrant family. UKIP have anti immigration policies (as far as I am aware but will admit to not being that aware of politics. The social workers and their lawyers felt that it was not right to place the children with people who support these policies

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