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By *iss Kink OP   Woman
over a year ago

North West

So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't think we'd stop over night. It would be a gradual thing and farming animals would gradually decline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we gave up eating meat we'd all starve.

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

Live stock is intensively farmed purely for food use.

The volume would reduce as people switched to plant based.Ive been vegetarian for four years....vegan six months and having seen how farmed animals are treated I will never eat animal products again and as things wear out they will be replaced with non animal by products (Shoes etc)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Id be dead its quite simple i wont eat veg its gross my mum couldnt make me il certainly not do it as a grown up

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

That number of animals only exist because they're bred into existence by humans to meet (no pun) the human demand for meat.

We breed them into existence. They don't do it themselves. So in the wild they won't overrun the earth. Unlike humans, animals work in harmony with their surroundings.

There's of course will have to be a reduction of numbers. Most of the meat you eat is not taken from cows that live on happy fields or pigs in open spaces or chickens running around in the sun.

If that was the case, why don't we see openly 80billion land animals in the backgrounds of TV shows, news etc. 80billion of them.

The meat in supermarkets, restaurants, fast food places is factory farmed. They live in massive warehouses. No daylight no access to sunlight.

But to address the concern about taking care of animals (not that we do now. Just look at the footage of slaughter houses) we kill them 'humanely' now don't we? So let's carry on doing that but just not breed them any longer. Job done.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

We'd have to cull them to make the fields available for all the nut cutlet trees.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

You realise that if we stopped eating meat we wouldn’t need as many animals, but for those animals where we still have a use for them (wool, animal hides, milk etc.) they would still be looked after?

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

A managed decline in numbers and we all have to eat fermented foods according to George Monbiot and we will all live happily ever after.

Until such time I will eat meat and lots of it.

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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago

Kettering

If we stopped eating meat, it would be totally against man's nature. Even back in cave man times we are meat. It's not something I could ever give up

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By *etwifeandhim69Couple
over a year ago

Darlington


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

We happen to live right by the countryside, used to live near a slaughter house and I had this discussion years ago with a cattle farmer.

If it was a gradual shift, then it would simply be a case of slowing down breeding and reducing the amount of land animals take up. Farmers would shift the land used by animals towards profitable crops or other purposes. it may even get sold off.

If it was a fast societal change, there would be a mass culling. There would have to be. Cattle, pigs, chickens, Turkeys etc etc would no longer serve a purpose. They eat, poop and reproduce and what maintains that is the the money that comes in from having them end up on your plate in one form or another. With no money to maintain them, they'd starve to death as farmers couldn't afford to feed them. We also need to take into account that food crops that where meant for animal consumption would shift into human consumption as people would have to make up the lost calories and protein's with other food types.

Sheep might get get a slight reprieve "if" people are still opting to wear wool but I know vegans that wont touch anything that's an animal product so maybe not. they'd just be using resource's no farmer could spare anymore. You may also need some animals to produce dog and cat food but pretty sure vegan versions of that exist now as well so I guess that would depend.

But an overnight shift is never gonna happen.

What will happen is a gradual shift. Not to veganism or even vegetarianism. Just as switch to factory grown synthetic meat. People will still want eggs and milk so you'll still have dairy farms and maybe a few other things but it'll end up in as a massive reduction of the amount of animals bread for slaughter. you'll only be left with purists paying for expensive dead animal where as the majority will just eat factory grown meat.

Probably take another decade or two though but if you look into synthetic meat, wow is all I can say. I'll happily make the switch to it when it comes.

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By *rhugesMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I could quote easily go meat free. Cows are worse for the environment than diesel cars

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question.

We happen to live right by the countryside, used to live near a slaughter house and I had this discussion years ago with a cattle farmer.

If it was a gradual shift, then it would simply be a case of slowing down breeding and reducing the amount of land animals take up. Farmers would shift the land used by animals towards profitable crops or other purposes. it may even get sold off.

If it was a fast societal change, there would be a mass culling. There would have to be. Cattle, pigs, chickens, Turkeys etc etc would no longer serve a purpose. They eat, poop and reproduce and what maintains that is the the money that comes in from having them end up on your plate in one form or another. With no money to maintain them, they'd starve to death as farmers couldn't afford to feed them. We also need to take into account that food crops that where meant for animal consumption would shift into human consumption as people would have to make up the lost calories and protein's with other food types.

Sheep might get get a slight reprieve "if" people are still opting to wear wool but I know vegans that wont touch anything that's an animal product so maybe not. they'd just be using resource's no farmer could spare anymore. You may also need some animals to produce dog and cat food but pretty sure vegan versions of that exist now as well so I guess that would depend.

But an overnight shift is never gonna happen.

What will happen is a gradual shift. Not to veganism or even vegetarianism. Just as switch to factory grown synthetic meat. People will still want eggs and milk so you'll still have dairy farms and maybe a few other things but it'll end up in as a massive reduction of the amount of animals bread for slaughter. you'll only be left with purists paying for expensive dead animal where as the majority will just eat factory grown meat.

Probably take another decade or two though but if you look into synthetic meat, wow is all I can say. I'll happily make the switch to it when it comes. "

Well put together answer.

Synthetic meats are something else entirely now. Not the same as a suspect Linda McCartney sausage.

Beyond Meat burgers in Honest Burger, GBK and even McDonald's have the taste and texture of meat. I ate meat for 30years so I know.

And it's very rare anyone turns to veganism because they don't like the taste of meat. It's generally because they learn if animal agriculture methods and decide that they cannot support such practices.

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here

All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What everyone else has said. There wouldnt be so many animals if they werent intensively bred

There are also some habitats that are best managed using grazers, so it is possible that there would be some herds of sheep etc up in the hills/on heath land, but they would be free to live their whole lives there rather than being slaughtered after a year.

They have a similar model with wild ponies. They gather them up once a year to look over them and give them any health treatments they need, and otherwise just leave them to it.

Fay x

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking "

And the Gary Yourofsky speech.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we all stopped eating meat no one would get a bj anymore.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

They current consensus is a genocide of ruminant animals.

Regenerative Agriculture shows this up.

C

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"If we gave up eating meat we'd all starve. "

We'd be far more lacking in nutrients. Meat is the most bioavailable food source for nutrients.

C

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Give me meat and more meat. That's what our teeth are for.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking "

I can't comment on Milked but Seaspiracy and Earthlings are propaganda and incorrect on more than a couple of points.

Factory farming needs to end. Nobody disagrees with that.

C

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If we gave up eating meat we'd all starve.

We'd be far more lacking in nutrients. Meat is the most bioavailable food source for nutrients.

C"

It goes way beyond that. We're being fed half truths by blinkered environmental lobbyists riding on the coat tails of animal rights activists.

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"Give me meat and more meat. That's what our teeth are for."

Incorrect

Our teeth are flat and broad. Our jaws move side to side. This is found only in herbivores. Our canines (found in most animals) are used for harder foods (apples and pears) and ripping open the skin of fruit, veg and nuts (oo-err).

Carnivores have long sharp pointed teeth. Jaws that move up and down only. This is for tearing and ripping raw meat, offal, skin etc.

Also, humans do not have claws. All carnivorous animals have claws for hunting.

Humans have an intestinal track that is around 9-13 times of their torso. This is a herbivore anatomical feature.

Carnivores intestines are up to 6 times the length of their torso. This is to get the rotting flesh they've consumed out of their bodies quickly. This means they don't have animal protein related illnesses seen in meat eating humans.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

Intensive farming needs to be stopped.

Welsh hill farmers is not an example of intensive farming, and no crops would be able to be grown on those hills anyway. How would grow enough food in the UK to have food security?

I keep chickens in my garden I hardly think that its an animal welfare issue, they're blinking spoilt as.

What I find is that many say no to meat, due to welfare issues. But then they have pet dogs who are now breed to have numerous complications. Or they are breed in horrible puppy farms. If we eliminate farming for meat, we will have to give up cats as they have to eat meat.

Maybe the more interesting question would be, should humans stop acting superior to other animals and stop interfering with their lives?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Give me meat and more meat. That's what our teeth are for.

Incorrect

Our teeth are flat and broad. Our jaws move side to side. This is found only in herbivores. Our canines (found in most animals) are used for harder foods (apples and pears) and ripping open the skin of fruit, veg and nuts (oo-err).

Carnivores have long sharp pointed teeth. Jaws that move up and down only. This is for tearing and ripping raw meat, offal, skin etc.

Also, humans do not have claws. All carnivorous animals have claws for hunting.

Humans have an intestinal track that is around 9-13 times of their torso. This is a herbivore anatomical feature.

Carnivores intestines are up to 6 times the length of their torso. This is to get the rotting flesh they've consumed out of their bodies quickly. This means they don't have animal protein related illnesses seen in meat eating humans."

Anatomically we're somewhere inbetween. All that proves is that we're meant to be omnivorous. If you look at true herbivores they have multiple stomachs or other means to redigest food. If you look at truly herbivorous primates all have distended abdomens necessary to house a larger digestive tract.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

I imagine there'd be a bse scare requiring them all slaughtered

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here


"All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking

And the Gary Yourofsky speech.

"

Just googled, will check that out

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

If that happened, which I can't imagine it would, then there wouldn't be a move to replace the millions of animals which are born specifically to feed people. The problem would go away.

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By *hilledGuyClactonMan
over a year ago

Little clacton

The animals would've to be culled.. Majority of food would be grown in USA/south America..

Our farmland would likely be built on.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"If that happened, which I can't imagine it would, then there wouldn't be a move to replace the millions of animals which are born specifically to feed people. The problem would go away. "

Don't think it's that simple. Nice if it was. The farmers and meat industry and their lobbyists would have to make sure they are paid off. There's no free lunch.

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By *etwifeandhim69Couple
over a year ago

Darlington


"Give me meat and more meat. That's what our teeth are for.

Incorrect

Our teeth are flat and broad. Our jaws move side to side. This is found only in herbivores. Our canines (found in most animals) are used for harder foods (apples and pears) and ripping open the skin of fruit, veg and nuts (oo-err).

Carnivores have long sharp pointed teeth. Jaws that move up and down only. This is for tearing and ripping raw meat, offal, skin etc.

Also, humans do not have claws. All carnivorous animals have claws for hunting.

Humans have an intestinal track that is around 9-13 times of their torso. This is a herbivore anatomical feature.

Carnivores intestines are up to 6 times the length of their torso. This is to get the rotting flesh they've consumed out of their bodies quickly. This means they don't have animal protein related illnesses seen in meat eating humans."

Everything you've just posted is just..,,,,wrong. You did get taught basic biology at school....right?

Rather than arguing every wrong claim you made I'll just say we are omnivores and evolved accordingly as a tool and fire using species and we have the teeth and intestines for it. Just like our Chimp cousins and other omnivores like Racoons for example. We simply eat too much meat since we discovered agriculture.

And someone really needs to tell you, no all carnivorous animals do not have long sharp teeth and claws. They have what they need for their respective environments. A Shark has long pointed sharp teeth but no claws. Ant eaters have very long claws and sharp teeth but are insectivores. Eagles have no teeth at all but whooping great claws where as Frogs have neither teeth nor claws but certain types live on a diet of mice and shrews. Not every carnivore (again, something we are NOT) has to be a Tiger.

Eat meat or don't eat meat. Have a reason or don't. Just don't use false logic non sensical disprovable claims.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a vegan question.

If everyone on the planet went vegan, who would vegans bore to death by telling everyone around them that they were vegan?

Asking for a carnivore.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I have a vegan question.

If everyone on the planet went vegan, who would vegans bore to death by telling everyone around them that they were vegan?

Asking for a carnivore."

Don't forget the fancy scripted 'c' that would appear on food packaging and menus to indicate suitable for carnivores.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Developers and property management companies could use the land to build the housing we need.

Then the department for transport could build highways to get people to their places of work.

Councils could develop whole areas, like they are doing in Barking Riverside to attract people to buy the properties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Developers and property management companies could use the land to build the housing we need.

Then the department for transport could build highways to get people to their places of work.

Councils could develop whole areas, like they are doing in Barking Riverside to attract people to buy the properties.

"

Yeah, they could just tarmac the whole of England.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Developers and property management companies could use the land to build the housing we need.

Then the department for transport could build highways to get people to their places of work.

Councils could develop whole areas, like they are doing in Barking Riverside to attract people to buy the properties.

"

So think of the consequences next time you buy a bag of jack fruit instead of beef.!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Developers and property management companies could use the land to build the housing we need.

Then the department for transport could build highways to get people to their places of work.

Councils could develop whole areas, like they are doing in Barking Riverside to attract people to buy the properties.

Yeah, they could just tarmac the whole of England."

Cos concrete production is really good for the environment....and import all our Veggies from... Oooh.. Europe?

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

Hopefully they would die out a natural death! No more Breeding of the lambs etc., nice thought don't know the reality of it though! My daughter has sheep at bottom of her garden not hers but same farmer and one of the mumas has been coming to her fence every spring with her offspring for quite a number of years! She very friendly plus one of her twins little Arthur this year! Last week the babies were taken and the mumas as they do every year stood ba ing at the gate they went out! So sad! Does anyone know how many years they produce lambs? As one year she not gonna turn up at spring x

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Hopefully the remaining animals would be appropriately cared for until they die a relatively humane death (like with pets - euthanase them when suffering outweighs life). I'm sure that's something that animal welfare groups could get behind.

We've bred these creatures to be entirely reliant upon us, giving them dignity in death (and indeed extinction) is a moral imperative.

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By *hors fantasyCouple
over a year ago

Blackpool

If we stopped eating cows there would be 20 left in the country in a few years in a zoo after the rest were culled for taking up space, vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question.

You realise that if we stopped eating meat we wouldn’t need as many animals, but for those animals where we still have a use for them (wool, animal hides, milk etc.) they would still be looked after?"
you have to kill an animal for it's hide

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them "

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only know if given the choice of having to be vegan or starve i choose canibalism

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here


"If we stopped eating cows there would be 20 left in the country in a few years in a zoo after the rest were culled for taking up space, vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them "

And now I've heard it all ....utter bollocks

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"Hopefully they would die out a natural death! No more Breeding of the lambs etc., nice thought don't know the reality of it though! My daughter has sheep at bottom of her garden not hers but same farmer and one of the mumas has been coming to her fence every spring with her offspring for quite a number of years! She very friendly plus one of her twins little Arthur this year! Last week the babies were taken and the mumas as they do every year stood ba ing at the gate they went out! So sad! Does anyone know how many years they produce lambs? As one year she not gonna turn up at spring x"

Sheep live about 10 years ish, but are likely to be culled before that if they don't produce lambs or they loose their teeth, so anywhere around 5-6 years. If a sheep is bringing her lamb from a previous year over, then I'm guessing Arthur maybe a girl.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question.

You realise that if we stopped eating meat we wouldn’t need as many animals, but for those animals where we still have a use for them (wool, animal hides, milk etc.) they would still be looked after? you have to kill an animal for it's hide"

Ultimately if we need to discuss sustainability, we need to eradicate farming animals for their hides too.

I've seen some hides and fur coming from environmental programs (culling possums in New Zealand for example, to protect their native wildlife). That might be the exception

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"I only know if given the choice of having to be vegan or starve i choose canibalism "

Maybe we'll have to milk men for their cum in some dystopian world for our protein source

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I only know if given the choice of having to be vegan or starve i choose canibalism

Maybe we'll have to milk men for their cum in some dystopian world for our protein source "
i feel like a factory part some days as it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I only know if given the choice of having to be vegan or starve i choose canibalism

Maybe we'll have to milk men for their cum in some dystopian world for our protein source i feel like a factory part some days as it is "
pps i will never eat jizms i cant even eat mayo cos it looks too similar

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I only know if given the choice of having to be vegan or starve i choose canibalism

Maybe we'll have to milk men for their cum in some dystopian world for our protein source "

Is that milking by hand?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking

And the Gary Yourofsky speech.

Just googled, will check that out "

I hope you get something out of watching these well researched documentaries.

I certainly did.

There are others available on Netflix and YouTube as well if you wish to get more information.

The above are basically about animal agriculture and welfare. As is "Cowspiracy"

I'd recommend watching ones on the health benefits of eating a whole food plant based diet (WFPB) as well, so you can get a more rounded idea of why people are choosing a vegan lifestyle.

Documentaries called ...

The Game Changers

And

Forks over knives

And

What The Health

Offer up tons of enlightening scientifically proven arguments for adopting a vegan diet.

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By *ottom charlieMan
over a year ago

washington


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "
we could have 1 bloody big bbq and eat all the animals then all the vets and their staff would be made redundant,, once we had eaten all the sheep and cows we would have any wool and leather to make clothes and have to wear clothes from man made fabrics which are oil based which are far more harmful to the environment but the vegans would be happy

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. we could have 1 bloody big bbq and eat all the animals then all the vets and their staff would be made redundant,, once we had eaten all the sheep and cows we would have any wool and leather to make clothes and have to wear clothes from man made fabrics which are oil based which are far more harmful to the environment but the vegans would be happy "

Like cotton and linen? Yup, definitely oil based

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking

And the Gary Yourofsky speech.

Just googled, will check that out

I hope you get something out of watching these well researched documentaries.

I certainly did.

There are others available on Netflix and YouTube as well if you wish to get more information.

The above are basically about animal agriculture and welfare. As is "Cowspiracy"

I'd recommend watching ones on the health benefits of eating a whole food plant based diet (WFPB) as well, so you can get a more rounded idea of why people are choosing a vegan lifestyle.

Documentaries called ...

The Game Changers

And

Forks over knives

And

What The Health

Offer up tons of enlightening scientifically proven arguments for adopting a vegan diet.

"

Documentaries are not scientifically proven anything. Most are biased towards one side or another. They're no different to newspapers who take a scientific findings and put a spin in it to make an interesting headline. And in my opinion make sceptical people switch off, they only speak to the already converted.

If we were to have documentaries that made an actual difference to the public view point. It would be a critical review of both sides of the argument. When these documentaries stop wanting to be click bait then the majority may actually listen, and help their cause.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking

And the Gary Yourofsky speech.

Just googled, will check that out

I hope you get something out of watching these well researched documentaries.

I certainly did.

There are others available on Netflix and YouTube as well if you wish to get more information.

The above are basically about animal agriculture and welfare. As is "Cowspiracy"

I'd recommend watching ones on the health benefits of eating a whole food plant based diet (WFPB) as well, so you can get a more rounded idea of why people are choosing a vegan lifestyle.

Documentaries called ...

The Game Changers

And

Forks over knives

And

What The Health

Offer up tons of enlightening scientifically proven arguments for adopting a vegan diet.

Documentaries are not scientifically proven anything. Most are biased towards one side or another. They're no different to newspapers who take a scientific findings and put a spin in it to make an interesting headline. And in my opinion make sceptical people switch off, they only speak to the already converted.

If we were to have documentaries that made an actual difference to the public view point. It would be a critical review of both sides of the argument. When these documentaries stop wanting to be click bait then the majority may actually listen, and help their cause.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely there is room in the middle of this argument, one of my problems is that most (not all) vegans want a complete ban on meat and using products in any way farmed from animals.

So as somebody who is not vegan by choice but because of illness now eats a lot of vegan products i say ... as vegan food improves people will eat more of it and so gradually this will become a mute point

The farming will become less and less but not completely eradicated, the problem i see is vegan's want this to happen yesterday and therefore the people they are trying to convert move away from them

Do it in a subtle way and the results may come quicker

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here


"All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking

And the Gary Yourofsky speech.

Just googled, will check that out

I hope you get something out of watching these well researched documentaries.

I certainly did.

There are others available on Netflix and YouTube as well if you wish to get more information.

The above are basically about animal agriculture and welfare. As is "Cowspiracy"

I'd recommend watching ones on the health benefits of eating a whole food plant based diet (WFPB) as well, so you can get a more rounded idea of why people are choosing a vegan lifestyle.

Documentaries called ...

The Game Changers

And

Forks over knives

And

What The Health

Offer up tons of enlightening scientifically proven arguments for adopting a vegan diet.

"

I'd forgotten about game changers

I enjoyed that. You've only got to look at Djokovic and Kyrgios both vegans and powerful as fuck goes to show you don't need meat or dairy, same with the Williams sisters

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here

I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing"

Same.

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"All the people taking the piss out of vegans I suggest watching three films

Earthlings

Milked

Seaspiracy

All these highlight man's inhumanity for other sentinent beings,, purely for a desire to be fed its heartbreaking

And the Gary Yourofsky speech.

Just googled, will check that out

I hope you get something out of watching these well researched documentaries.

I certainly did.

There are others available on Netflix and YouTube as well if you wish to get more information.

The above are basically about animal agriculture and welfare. As is "Cowspiracy"

I'd recommend watching ones on the health benefits of eating a whole food plant based diet (WFPB) as well, so you can get a more rounded idea of why people are choosing a vegan lifestyle.

Documentaries called ...

The Game Changers

And

Forks over knives

And

What The Health

Offer up tons of enlightening scientifically proven arguments for adopting a vegan diet.

I'd forgotten about game changers

I enjoyed that. You've only got to look at Djokovic and Kyrgios both vegans and powerful as fuck goes to show you don't need meat or dairy, same with the Williams sisters"

And Sophie Ellis. World class British powerlifter.

Meat doesn't not give you strength.

It gives you protein (we'll ignore cholesterol for now) in a single source.

All protein comes from plants as ultimately that's were the food chain starts.

Plant based protein is no different. It just needs a couple of different sources.

Try it for yourself. It's the only way to really know.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"If we stopped eating cows there would be 20 left in the country in a few years in a zoo after the rest were culled for taking up space, vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them "

What utter nonsense! X

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"Surely there is room in the middle of this argument, one of my problems is that most (not all) vegans want a complete ban on meat and using products in any way farmed from animals.

So as somebody who is not vegan by choice but because of illness now eats a lot of vegan products i say ... as vegan food improves people will eat more of it and so gradually this will become a mute point

The farming will become less and less but not completely eradicated, the problem i see is vegan's want this to happen yesterday and therefore the people they are trying to convert move away from them

Do it in a subtle way and the results may come quicker

"

Sure there is an element of doing this straight away. But that's not all vegans.

Slav3ryyy was not abolished overnight.

Women's rights were not implemented overnight.

There is always a movement. And some elements within this want immediate change. Just like all people, vegans aren't all the same.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Hopefully they would die out a natural death! No more Breeding of the lambs etc., nice thought don't know the reality of it though! My daughter has sheep at bottom of her garden not hers but same farmer and one of the mumas has been coming to her fence every spring with her offspring for quite a number of years! She very friendly plus one of her twins little Arthur this year! Last week the babies were taken and the mumas as they do every year stood ba ing at the gate they went out! So sad! Does anyone know how many years they produce lambs? As one year she not gonna turn up at spring x

Sheep live about 10 years ish, but are likely to be culled before that if they don't produce lambs or they loose their teeth, so anywhere around 5-6 years. If a sheep is bringing her lamb from a previous year over, then I'm guessing Arthur maybe a girl. "

No Arthur deffo a boy! She brings her new offspring each year! Shall miss Wilma when she don't come anymore! She has a very distinctive voice! The neibours not best pleased as she will stand shouting till she gets carrots daughter OKs it with the farmer to feed them to her x

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"If we stopped eating meat, it would be totally against man's nature. Even back in cave man times we are meat. It's not something I could ever give up"

What do you mean man’s nature ?

Hunting the odd piece of meat to get you through winter is a bit to different to enslaving an entire species for unnecessary food and causing an obesity crisis where more people die from overeating than under eating. I’d say that’s against man’s nature.

Anyone can give up meat it’s easy , just choose to.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing"

Kind of naive no? There's no free lunch

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Kind of naive no? There's no free lunch "

True! But there is a kinder lunch x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Id be dead its quite simple i wont eat veg its gross my mum couldnt make me il certainly not do it as a grown up"

is this what my son is going to be like when he’s an adult! He refuses to eat vegetables but is vegetarian (no judging )

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If we all stopped eating meat, wouldn’t that make us vegetarian rather than vegan? Veganism is only eating plant material . Vegetarianism still uses animal produce, eggs, milk, cheese…. Etc..

So the answer to your question is, basically the same people who looked after them in the first place. Farmers.

Also not forgetting that some people are pescatarian that wouldn’t change as fish aren’t generally described as meat. Even if the Monkfish is described as the poor mans steak.

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Kind of naive no? There's no free lunch "

Not Naive at all just a clear conscience

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By *hors fantasyCouple
over a year ago

Blackpool


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?"

On every single farm via pesticides rats and mice are killed too but again vegans floss over this

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

Vegans ..you do you and i'll stick to doing me ..im not giving up meat

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By *idnight RamblerMan
over a year ago

Pershore

Completely arable farming is unfeasible. What crop are you going to grow on the Cambrian Mountains in place or sheep? Or any upland farming region for that matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing"

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

I fed a wasp to a Venus flytrap earlier. There was no vegan alternative

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Kind of naive no? There's no free lunch

True! But there is a kinder lunch x"

Yes. It's about harm reduction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Id be dead its quite simple i wont eat veg its gross my mum couldnt make me il certainly not do it as a grown up

is this what my son is going to be like when he’s an adult! He refuses to eat vegetables but is vegetarian (no judging )"
yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Completely arable farming is unfeasible. What crop are you going to grow on the Cambrian Mountains in place or sheep? Or any upland farming region for that matter."

I often think that bunny huggers live in a fantasy realm full of unicorns and rainbows rather than the real world.

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel ) "

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

The Government official statistics

"United Kingdom Food Security. Report 2021:theme 2: UK food supply sources

Is a good place to start to understand where our food comes from. The potential pitfalls of future.

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By *hors fantasyCouple
over a year ago

Blackpool


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel ) "
won’t enslav an animal but think nothing got a pet dog…. Vegans make up the rules to suit themselves a bit like the government

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

"

Oh the rhetoric. What is this systematic mass torture etc you speak of?

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By *ilverjagMan
over a year ago

swansea

I've always wanted a dinner date with a vegan so as we can order two rare fillet steaks with all the garnish. I'll swap her steak then for my rabbit food. Happy days!

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

Oh the rhetoric. What is this systematic mass torture etc you speak of? "

Check out slaughter house footage for yourself. It's easily found

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I’ve been experimenting with vegan , feels so good , hard to explain but cooking and eating is a completely different experience. For a start most of the snacks go, and pointless replacing with expensive vegan options:, everything is better cooked from scratch.

No more bloated feeling or heavy impact digesting meat and dairy.

Products beyond food get much harder, ivy laundry detergent takes some effort to make and most cosmetics and toiletries have to go. Certified vegan brands are expensive so you buy and consume only what you really need.

Once it becomes the new normal , day to day is much simpler, easier and cheaper but for me i need someone to help me adapt. When the pretty young vegan goes home I just go back to eating chicken and things in packets and tins

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By *reat me rightWoman
over a year ago

Rotherham


"If we gave up eating meat we'd all starve. "

Clearly not given the amount of vegetarian and vegan people about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

"

Where did I mention torture of a horse?

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

If the old statement:

"You don't have to ask if a person is vegan, they will tell you"

Is true, then the statement:

"then the anti-vegan will spend an hour harassing and mocking them"

is equally true.

(exaggeration for the purpose of a point, I don't think it is literally 100% accurate, and kind of exhausting that it has been proven I need to put this disclaimer in)

I personally will remain an omnivore, but I will do what I can to get my diet as balanced as I can, and minimise damage where I can.

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

Where did I mention torture of a horse? "

Didn't say you did.

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By *romagefraisWoman
over a year ago

Sunderland

Doesn't bare thinking about, I love meat. Specially man meat. Mmm cannibalism.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"If the old statement:

"You don't have to ask if a person is vegan, they will tell you"

Is true, then the statement:

"then the anti-vegan will spend an hour harassing and mocking them"

is equally true.

(exaggeration for the purpose of a point, I don't think it is literally 100% accurate, and kind of exhausting that it has been proven I need to put this disclaimer in)

I personally will remain an omnivore, but I will do what I can to get my diet as balanced as I can, and minimise damage where I can."

Most people are just blind by choice, nothing you can say will change those views because truth is tough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

Oh the rhetoric. What is this systematic mass torture etc you speak of? "

Oh no, this is very accurate unfortunately. There are appauling conditions for most animals that are intensively farmed for meat, milk and eggs. There are even videos of it online. It is not the rosy picture thats put on the front of the packaging sadly.

But I also wanna say that it isnt meat eaters fault that animals suffer so much. That's industry and the governments responsibility, and it makes me angry that they can allow/cause so much suffering. Too much blame is put on consumers who are just trying to live their lives the best they can and that isnt fair. We should be able to trust those who have power to make sure that the options we are given are good for us, good for others and good for the world.

Peace and out!

Fay

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By *iknaknok42Man
over a year ago

limavady

And to think that only 1% of the population is vegan

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By *mo512Man
over a year ago

LONDON


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

Oh the rhetoric. What is this systematic mass torture etc you speak of?

Oh no, this is very accurate unfortunately. There are appauling conditions for most animals that are intensively farmed for meat, milk and eggs. There are even videos of it online. It is not the rosy picture thats put on the front of the packaging sadly.

But I also wanna say that it isnt meat eaters fault that animals suffer so much. That's industry and the governments responsibility, and it makes me angry that they can allow/cause so much suffering. Too much blame is put on consumers who are just trying to live their lives the best they can and that isnt fair. We should be able to trust those who have power to make sure that the options we are given are good for us, good for others and good for the world.

Peace and out!

Fay "

Thanks Fay

But consumers taking direct actio. By not purchasing these products is quicker than any govt action.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If the old statement:

"You don't have to ask if a person is vegan, they will tell you"

Is true, then the statement:

"then the anti-vegan will spend an hour harassing and mocking them"

is equally true.

(exaggeration for the purpose of a point, I don't think it is literally 100% accurate, and kind of exhausting that it has been proven I need to put this disclaimer in)

I personally will remain an omnivore, but I will do what I can to get my diet as balanced as I can, and minimise damage where I can."

Yes, very much. For every obnoxious vegan I've seen, I've seen at least a thousand shouty boring omnivores trying to shut up anyone different to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

Oh the rhetoric. What is this systematic mass torture etc you speak of?

Oh no, this is very accurate unfortunately. There are appauling conditions for most animals that are intensively farmed for meat, milk and eggs. There are even videos of it online. It is not the rosy picture thats put on the front of the packaging sadly.

But I also wanna say that it isnt meat eaters fault that animals suffer so much. That's industry and the governments responsibility, and it makes me angry that they can allow/cause so much suffering. Too much blame is put on consumers who are just trying to live their lives the best they can and that isnt fair. We should be able to trust those who have power to make sure that the options we are given are good for us, good for others and good for the world.

Peace and out!

Fay "

With all due respect, and having worked for many years in both the dairy and beef sectors, i must disagree.

Any farmer knows that mistreated animals are less productive. Why would a farmer abuse them when he's reliant on their productivity? I have to wonder at the source of these videos you claim to have seen. I should point out from experience that British farmers are the best in the world and we have the highest standards in animal welfare.

I would also like to point out that there are far more convictions for abuse against domestic pets and even children than there are against livestock.

I'm getting sick and tired of this continual need by some to bash the great British farmer.

Furthermore, if the war in Ukraine has taught us one thing it's that we should never rely on foreign nations for our food. What we need is more agriculture, not less.

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By *elpful and caringMan
over a year ago

Scarborough

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By *elpful and caringMan
over a year ago

Scarborough

No I wouldn’t fuck ‘em.

They ignored me when I had covid. Not even a sign of homemade broth to see me through.

As far as I’m concerned “two legs good, four legs bad”.

Perhaps, somewhat, surprisingly I’m a Vegetarian and I wear leather shoes.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?"

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

Animals are breed specifically for meat.

If people stopped eating meat then there wouldn't be any need for them to be bred

We wouldn't be overrun my animals at all

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By *elpful and caringMan
over a year ago

Scarborough

Eloquently put mirth or was it girth. Either way spot on.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices."

I'm veggie! But don't judge others choices! Just won't eat meat myself! I cook it for others family made son a bacon sarnie when he popped in this morning! And having been a cook professionally most of adult life cooked it then! X

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"I'm just happy to know my life doesn't involve killing or enslaving another living thing

Do you know how many insects are killed every time there is a harvest? And that harvest benefits not just vegans but every one who eats carbohydrates - wheat, barley, oats, quinoa, rice, potatoes etc, then there’s the fruit, fruit trees are sprayed with insecticide to kill bugs. Even organic fruit and veg will still kill some little poor defenceless bug or 50000. I have nothing against those who choose not to eat meat, but saying you’re “happy to know my life doesn’t involve killing”, is very untrue.

As for “enslaving another living thing” well someone is doing the harvest, as far as l know robots haven’t been invented to drive a combine harvester yet.

As a side note, does anyone who chooses not to eat meat, have thoughts on horses that are ridden or worked, or donkeys that are worked etc? Not wishing to start WW3 just a question (had a friend who was hopelessly in love with PETA lol and who thought riding horses was cruel )

The killing of insects does not involve the systemic mass torture, kidn*p, mutilation, r*pe and murder of innocent beings for the production of meat, diary, eggs and fish.

There is always collateral damage in process. Vegans do not protest the expansion of airport terminals for example and the loss of a rabbit habit.

Horses and donkeys are not routinely abused by their owners. In terms of species they are seen as above cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc.

Of course anyone will be outraged at the torture of a horse, whether they are vegan or not.

I saw many social media posts about horses being burned to death in the recent fires during the heatwave. But that same amount of empathy and compassion does not then widen to the animals suffering just as much, or if not more horrifically for our food.

"

Why do some vegans always go on about the r-pe of animals.

That is some repressed shit right there.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices."

vegan (noun)

a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products.

that is not what you were claiming as vegan above.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices.

I'm veggie! But don't judge others choices! Just won't eat meat myself! I cook it for others family made son a bacon sarnie when he popped in this morning! And having been a cook professionally most of adult life cooked it then! X"

There are many more militant vegans out there who openly decry people who don't share their views. And some of them are ridiculous to the point if being worthy of being mocked.

I have been told unironically that it is OK to feed cats (obligate carnivores) a vegan diet as "they aren't real animals".

I apologise if you thought my statement was directed at you.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices.

vegan (noun)

a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products.

that is not what you were claiming as vegan above."

One of the main reasons given for converting to veganism is the ethical argument of not killing animals unnecessarily. However this is simply not the case as animals are still being killed by the thousands for "cruelty free" foods. Its just not seen so can be discounted.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices.

vegan (noun)

a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products.

that is not what you were claiming as vegan above.

One of the main reasons given for converting to veganism is the ethical argument of not killing animals unnecessarily. However this is simply not the case as animals are still being killed by the thousands for "cruelty free" foods. Its just not seen so can be discounted. "

Subjective claim about truth does not trump actual definition.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

No thanks, I’ll stick with a balanced diet.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices.

vegan (noun)

a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products.

that is not what you were claiming as vegan above.

One of the main reasons given for converting to veganism is the ethical argument of not killing animals unnecessarily. However this is simply not the case as animals are still being killed by the thousands for "cruelty free" foods. Its just not seen so can be discounted.

Subjective claim about truth does not trump actual definition."

From the vegan society website:

Preventing the exploitation of animals is not the only reason for becoming vegan, but for many it remains the key factor in their decision to go vegan and stay vegan. Having emotional attachments with animals may form part of that reason, while many believe that all sentient creatures have a right to life and freedom. Specifics aside, avoiding animal products is one of the most obvious ways you can take a stand against animal cruelty and animal exploitation everywhere.

Arguing semantics over definitions is a weak argument.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices.

vegan (noun)

a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products.

that is not what you were claiming as vegan above.

One of the main reasons given for converting to veganism is the ethical argument of not killing animals unnecessarily. However this is simply not the case as animals are still being killed by the thousands for "cruelty free" foods. Its just not seen so can be discounted.

Subjective claim about truth does not trump actual definition.

From the vegan society website:

Preventing the exploitation of animals is not the only reason for becoming vegan, but for many it remains the key factor in their decision to go vegan and stay vegan. Having emotional attachments with animals may form part of that reason, while many believe that all sentient creatures have a right to life and freedom. Specifics aside, avoiding animal products is one of the most obvious ways you can take a stand against animal cruelty and animal exploitation everywhere.

Arguing semantics over definitions is a weak argument."

That statement is about why people MIGHT choose veganism, not what veganism is.

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over a year ago


"I only know if given the choice of having to be vegan or starve i choose canibalism

Maybe we'll have to milk men for their cum in some dystopian world for our protein source "

I thought women would prefer it on draught.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices.

vegan (noun)

a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products.

that is not what you were claiming as vegan above.

One of the main reasons given for converting to veganism is the ethical argument of not killing animals unnecessarily. However this is simply not the case as animals are still being killed by the thousands for "cruelty free" foods. Its just not seen so can be discounted.

Subjective claim about truth does not trump actual definition.

From the vegan society website:

Preventing the exploitation of animals is not the only reason for becoming vegan, but for many it remains the key factor in their decision to go vegan and stay vegan. Having emotional attachments with animals may form part of that reason, while many believe that all sentient creatures have a right to life and freedom. Specifics aside, avoiding animal products is one of the most obvious ways you can take a stand against animal cruelty and animal exploitation everywhere.

Arguing semantics over definitions is a weak argument.

That statement is about why people MIGHT choose veganism, not what veganism is."

And you are the one trying to separate the definition from the ethics as if the two aren't intrinsically linked. I never said it was the case for ALL vegans. However those expounding a 100% vegan life are only deluding themselves. And why they are "easy targets" for non-vegans.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


" vegans kill billions of insects every year to produce the food they eat but as bugs are not cute I guess not all life matters to them

What insects are being killed for food by vegans? Where is this happening?

A high proportion of supermarket veggies can't be classed as 100% vegan as they force migrate pollinators which then die. Avocados are a well known example of this. Also if there was no organic fertiliser, artifical fertilisers would have to be more common, increasing wildlife risk.

Aside from the insect problem, a lot of vegan food contains palm oil. Literally displacing and killing Orangs in Borneo. But it's not on the plate so can be ignored.

Essentially unless you live in a cave, forage your own food and weave your own clothes out of local flora you aren't 100% vegan. It's just where you draw the line.

Animals die for us to live. It's a fact of life.

Personally I don't care what anyone eats. Just don't be an arse to others about their choices.

vegan (noun)

a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who typically does not use other animal products.

that is not what you were claiming as vegan above.

One of the main reasons given for converting to veganism is the ethical argument of not killing animals unnecessarily. However this is simply not the case as animals are still being killed by the thousands for "cruelty free" foods. Its just not seen so can be discounted.

Subjective claim about truth does not trump actual definition.

From the vegan society website:

Preventing the exploitation of animals is not the only reason for becoming vegan, but for many it remains the key factor in their decision to go vegan and stay vegan. Having emotional attachments with animals may form part of that reason, while many believe that all sentient creatures have a right to life and freedom. Specifics aside, avoiding animal products is one of the most obvious ways you can take a stand against animal cruelty and animal exploitation everywhere.

Arguing semantics over definitions is a weak argument.

That statement is about why people MIGHT choose veganism, not what veganism is.

And you are the one trying to separate the definition from the ethics as if the two aren't intrinsically linked. I never said it was the case for ALL vegans. However those expounding a 100% vegan life are only deluding themselves. And why they are "easy targets" for non-vegans."

It isn;t non-vegans, it is anti-vegans. Don't lump me in with your BS.

Your original statement was saying things were not 100% vegan because they went against what the ethics of SOME vegans aspire to. Despite them actually being vegan.

Something not being vegan makes it not vegan.

I seperate the two because they are different things. And it is bad faith to argue one against the other like you did.

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over a year ago

When I first went vegetarian many years who I’ll admit it was because I wanted to see if I could do it not because of the ethics etc but I’ve been vegetarian many years now and wouldn’t look back!

When I had my child they were brought up vegetarian until they were at the age that they could decide if they wanted to still be one or eat meat it was always going to be my child’s choice. My child is still vegetarian very much so because he adores animals!

Now I do try to tell him that it isn’t wrong if he wants to eat meat a lot of people do including a lot of our family and it was his chose and his alone to make but he doesn’t want to he’s more than happy with how he is! He’s a very healthy active boy who imo doesn’t eat enough to keep a sparrow alive

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"When I first went vegetarian many years who I’ll admit it was because I wanted to see if I could do it not because of the ethics etc but I’ve been vegetarian many years now and wouldn’t look back!

When I had my child they were brought up vegetarian until they were at the age that they could decide if they wanted to still be one or eat meat it was always going to be my child’s choice. My child is still vegetarian very much so because he adores animals!

Now I do try to tell him that it isn’t wrong if he wants to eat meat a lot of people do including a lot of our family and it was his chose and his alone to make but he doesn’t want to he’s more than happy with how he is! He’s a very healthy active boy who imo doesn’t eat enough to keep a sparrow alive "

I read that and think it is the perfect way to approach things. In order to make them healthy make the best decisions you can, educate them and then let them make their own choice!

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over a year ago


"When I first went vegetarian many years who I’ll admit it was because I wanted to see if I could do it not because of the ethics etc but I’ve been vegetarian many years now and wouldn’t look back!

When I had my child they were brought up vegetarian until they were at the age that they could decide if they wanted to still be one or eat meat it was always going to be my child’s choice. My child is still vegetarian very much so because he adores animals!

Now I do try to tell him that it isn’t wrong if he wants to eat meat a lot of people do including a lot of our family and it was his chose and his alone to make but he doesn’t want to he’s more than happy with how he is! He’s a very healthy active boy who imo doesn’t eat enough to keep a sparrow alive

I read that and think it is the perfect way to approach things. In order to make them healthy make the best decisions you can, educate them and then let them make their own choice! "

Always the way with me

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Surely there is room in the middle of this argument, one of my problems is that most (not all) vegans want a complete ban on meat and using products in any way farmed from animals.

So as somebody who is not vegan by choice but because of illness now eats a lot of vegan products i say ... as vegan food improves people will eat more of it and so gradually this will become a mute point

The farming will become less and less but not completely eradicated, the problem i see is vegan's want this to happen yesterday and therefore the people they are trying to convert move away from them

Do it in a subtle way and the results may come quicker

Sure there is an element of doing this straight away. But that's not all vegans.

Slav3ryyy was not abolished overnight.

Women's rights were not implemented overnight.

There is always a movement. And some elements within this want immediate change. Just like all people, vegans aren't all the same. "

Can’t believe you’ve just compared it to those 2 things!!

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple
over a year ago

Cumbria

It's a shame because responsible agriculture and farming of animals is far better for the environment than actually growing plants.

No one say let's kill dogs and cat their really bad for the environment.

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By *lueFireCouple
over a year ago

just somewhere around here


"Why do some vegans always go on about the r-pe of animals.

That is some repressed shit right there. "

Because all female dairy cows are artificially inseminated (forcefully against their will)

To procreate to produce more calves so they carry on producing milk

(R@ped)

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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago

Boo's World


"Why do some vegans always go on about the r-pe of animals.

That is some repressed shit right there.

Because all female dairy cows are artificially inseminated (forcefully against their will)

To procreate to produce more calves so they carry on producing milk

(R@ped)"

Do you understand why they do that though?

A Dairy Bull weighs in excess of 2000lbs and they are extremely unpredictable and can be aggressive!

This is why they take the safe route and artificially inseminate cows, it's to make sure they are not harmed or even killed in the mating process.

The semen from the Bull is also throughly tested prior to being used , this helps prevent disease within dairy animals.

They would suffer a fair deal more if none of the above was done.

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By *heaspieswingerMan
over a year ago

Peak District


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

Well, we all know that we’re not all suddenly going to become vegans overnight. And given that farm animals only exist in the unnatural numbers that they do is because of what humans do to them. Naturally they simply don’t breed in the numbers that farming produces. So we wouldn’t be overrun by farm animals. In fact, the population would gradually return to natural levels.

Some species of sheep have actually been selectively breed over hundereds of years to produce more fleece than they would otherwise naturally do, all so humans could take it for themselves. The same with cows - selective breeding of the highest yielding cattle has resulted in the overproducing dairy cows we see in farms today. Dairy cows actually become unprofitable in around four years, so are slaughtered. Their natural lifespan if left alone is around 14 years IIRC. So we’d have less animals but they’d live longer and less abused lives

What piqued your curiosity?

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"Developers and property management companies could use the land to build the housing we need.

Then the department for transport could build highways to get people to their places of work.

Councils could develop whole areas, like they are doing in Barking Riverside to attract people to buy the properties.

"

We'd need more farmland if everyone went vegan.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"Why do some vegans always go on about the r-pe of animals.

That is some repressed shit right there.

Because all female dairy cows are artificially inseminated (forcefully against their will)

To procreate to produce more calves so they carry on producing milk

(R@ped)"

All? Who told you this myth.

C

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a very aggressive vegan call me a rapist because I drink milk it was all so surreal. I mean I don’t much care for milk now but if I want to drink milk I damn well will - each to their own we all have our own right to make our own choices

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Been on a plant based diet for well over a year. You do have to be alot more cognisant of what you are consuming and when than on an animal based diet but for males over 40 it's actually alot better for you.

#thegamechanger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a shame because responsible agriculture and farming of animals is far better for the environment than actually growing plants.

No one say let's kill dogs and cat their really bad for the environment."

Where do you find this type of logic?!

What is it you think those farm animals eat?!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a shame because responsible agriculture and farming of animals is far better for the environment than actually growing plants.

No one say let's kill dogs and cat their really bad for the environment.

Where do you find this type of logic?!

What is it you think those farm animals eat?!! "

Other animals obvs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a shame because responsible agriculture and farming of animals is far better for the environment than actually growing plants.

No one say let's kill dogs and cat their really bad for the environment.

Where do you find this type of logic?!

What is it you think those farm animals eat?!!

Other animals obvs "

Cows are scary enough as it is without that

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"It's a shame because responsible agriculture and farming of animals is far better for the environment than actually growing plants.

No one say let's kill dogs and cat their really bad for the environment."

I've heard the argument about why we arent killing dogs for food but we will orher animals. Which is ridiculous. We bred dogs to help us hunt food, and keep vermin away from our food.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"It's a shame because responsible agriculture and farming of animals is far better for the environment than actually growing plants.

No one say let's kill dogs and cat their really bad for the environment.

Where do you find this type of logic?!

What is it you think those farm animals eat?!! "

Mate, I've been told that cats aren't real animals by a militant vegan type. Like wtf? So the ancient Egyptians didn't have statues to cats, because they weren't real 5000 years ago?

Logic isn't applied too often.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Actually cats aren't brilliant - they decimate wild birds

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"Been on a plant based diet for well over a year. You do have to be alot more cognisant of what you are consuming and when than on an animal based diet but for males over 40 it's actually alot better for you.

#thegamechanger"

I know a lot of older guys on keto/carnivore diets who are in absolutely incredible shape, and have blood work to back it all up.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"Actually cats aren't brilliant - they decimate wild birds"

Given respective cat and wild bird populations, decimation may be an exaggeration.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

Most farming ones would just be destroyed regardless as there would be no need for them or spaces freely for them .

You wouldn’t just get 1million cows released into wild lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's a shame because responsible agriculture and farming of animals is far better for the environment than actually growing plants.

No one say let's kill dogs and cat their really bad for the environment.

Where do you find this type of logic?!

What is it you think those farm animals eat?!!

Mate, I've been told that cats aren't real animals by a militant vegan type. Like wtf? So the ancient Egyptians didn't have statues to cats, because they weren't real 5000 years ago?

Logic isn't applied too often."

I'm still trying to process this

Why did a militant vegan tell you cats aren't real?

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"Been on a plant based diet for well over a year. You do have to be alot more cognisant of what you are consuming and when than on an animal based diet but for males over 40 it's actually alot better for you.

#thegamechanger

I know a lot of older guys on keto/carnivore diets who are in absolutely incredible shape, and have blood work to back it all up. "

Found a Shaun Baker fan!

C

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I still believe in cats

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"It's a shame because responsible agriculture and farming of animals is far better for the environment than actually growing plants.

No one say let's kill dogs and cat their really bad for the environment.

Where do you find this type of logic?!

What is it you think those farm animals eat?!!

Mate, I've been told that cats aren't real animals by a militant vegan type. Like wtf? So the ancient Egyptians didn't have statues to cats, because they weren't real 5000 years ago?

Logic isn't applied too often.

I'm still trying to process this

Why did a militant vegan tell you cats aren't real?

"

He said it was fine to feed them a vegan diet.

Cats are obligate carnivores.

I pointed this out. He said cats weren't real animals.

In fairness in his twitter bio he did describe himself as a vegan cunt.

I may have a screenshot of the convo.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"Been on a plant based diet for well over a year. You do have to be alot more cognisant of what you are consuming and when than on an animal based diet but for males over 40 it's actually alot better for you.

#thegamechanger

I know a lot of older guys on keto/carnivore diets who are in absolutely incredible shape, and have blood work to back it all up.

Found a Shaun Baker fan!

C"

Not really. I'm studying nutrition so I speak to a lot of people on different protocols.

Personal belief is that people need a good "complete" protein target then work out which fuel ratio suits best. I much prefer the bioavailability of animal proteins. However I also eat more fresh fruit and veg then 90% of the vegans I know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

I'm thinking you must be a farmer. Humanitys caretakers.

I work in agriculture. The vast majority of the population are sadly incredibly badly informed about farming and food. Corporations run and pedal social media these days and agriculture as an industry is (thankfully) still the ideal makeup of business like an oligopoly, many players making many of the same things creating the right variety of competition and scarcity that drives healthy economics. Unfortunately that also means the industry is by definition quite fragmented and very difficult to gather into one coherent voice to tell our story to social media.

In other industries and facets of life we are seeing the cabbage caused by monopolies and cartels controlling segments of supply chains and costing everybody too much money. IE the energy sector with cost of fuel yet those massive global corporations make eye watering profits .

Anyway I digress. Sorry.

My point is the vegan story and movement is very definitely bring hijacked and exploited by corporations intent on controlling everything including our food sources and suppliers and trends and tastes .. its the Amazon effect. It's high time those sucked into these kind of trends learned about what's really going on. Society really does need more of as Rabbie put it "independent mind" ...

Nothing again vegan food choices, but it absolutely needs to be a niche and not mainstream or I can totally guarantee as a life long agriculturalist that it will lead to starvation .. healthy world ecology needs livestock and they need to be farmed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cabbage .. lol .. best typo for a while..'damage'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Why do some vegans always go on about the r-pe of animals.

That is some repressed shit right there.

Because all female dairy cows are artificially inseminated (forcefully against their will)

To procreate to produce more calves so they carry on producing milk

(R@ped)"

Clearly you have first hand experience in the primary sector which allows you to make such ridiculous claims. Or could it be that you are simply parrotting the ideology of agenda led fundamentalists who are also lacking first hand experince (unless they're Yanks)?

Are you aware that a typical dairy cow weighs 1400lbs and that if it really doesn't want to do something it's not going to happen? I have long term injuries that prove this.

As for artificial insemination the main reason for it is because it's much easier to transport semen than it is a bull. Bulls are selected not only to enhance production but also to produce the strongest, healthiest progeny. This is in the interest of both bulls and cows alike.

You are entitled to your opinions but, please, at least base them on empirical evidence and not hearsay and propaganda.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing again vegan food choices, but it absolutely needs to be a niche and not mainstream or I can totally guarantee as a life long agriculturalist that it will lead to starvation .. healthy world ecology needs livestock and they need to be farmed. "

Basic maths suggests otherwise.

80% of all agricultural land is used for grazing and cropland dedicated to the production of feed.

Add to that environmental impacts plus things like antibiotics etc. etc

Just nonsense to suggest it would lead to starvation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I eat a plant based diet because I feel better on it, have better stamina and now when I have to eat animal based products it doesn't go well in the after party

I agree balance is harder to achieve in the diet and you need to calculate what you eat which some of the more moralistic vegans don't do. This is why they suffer from malnutrition and ultimately fail the diet.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing again vegan food choices, but it absolutely needs to be a niche and not mainstream or I can totally guarantee as a life long agriculturalist that it will lead to starvation .. healthy world ecology needs livestock and they need to be farmed.

Basic maths suggests otherwise.

80% of all agricultural land is used for grazing and cropland dedicated to the production of feed.

Add to that environmental impacts plus things like antibiotics etc. etc

Just nonsense to suggest it would lead to starvation."

60% of available farmland in the UK is unsuitable for the production of arable and vegetable crops. Also, given that these sectors are far more reliant on artificial chemicals than the livestock sector i hereby shoot down your claim.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing again vegan food choices, but it absolutely needs to be a niche and not mainstream or I can totally guarantee as a life long agriculturalist that it will lead to starvation .. healthy world ecology needs livestock and they need to be farmed.

Basic maths suggests otherwise.

80% of all agricultural land is used for grazing and cropland dedicated to the production of feed.

Add to that environmental impacts plus things like antibiotics etc. etc

Just nonsense to suggest it would lead to starvation.

60% of available farmland in the UK is unsuitable for the production of arable and vegetable crops. Also, given that these sectors are far more reliant on artificial chemicals than the livestock sector i hereby shoot down your claim."

Furthermore, land used for AV production is far less biodiverse than pasture, even with the much touted setaside which only serves to further reduce the land available.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"60% of available farmland in the UK is unsuitable for the production of arable and vegetable crops. Also, given that these sectors are far more reliant on artificial chemicals than the livestock sector i hereby shoot down your claim."

I'm sure you do.

Albeit with a stat that's ignorant to the reality of the food chain.

And yet another person that seems to believe livestock eat fresh air!

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By *aiseiMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"I only know if given the choice of having to be vegan or starve i choose canibalism

Maybe we'll have to milk men for their cum in some dystopian world for our protein source "

Hiiiiiiiiii!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"60% of available farmland in the UK is unsuitable for the production of arable and vegetable crops. Also, given that these sectors are far more reliant on artificial chemicals than the livestock sector i hereby shoot down your claim.

I'm sure you do.

Albeit with a stat that's ignorant to the reality of the food chain.

And yet another person that seems to believe livestock eat fresh air!"

The ignorance is purely yours in this case.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"60% of available farmland in the UK is unsuitable for the production of arable and vegetable crops. Also, given that these sectors are far more reliant on artificial chemicals than the livestock sector i hereby shoot down your claim.

I'm sure you do.

Albeit with a stat that's ignorant to the reality of the food chain.

And yet another person that seems to believe livestock eat fresh air!

The ignorance is purely yours in this case."

Great argument

You win

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

We breed them into existence. They don't do it themselves.So in the wild they won't overrun the earth. Unlike humans, animals work in harmony with their surroundings.

"

It always amazes me how many people believe this contrary to all the evidence out there. Humans are just another animal and behave as such. All that is different is that we have the ability to outwit, outsmart and out survive the usual biological limitations that keep all other species in check. Plus, in recent years, we've learnt to make stuff that doesn't simply rot away.

When conditions are right, locusts swarm and destroy every green plant in sight leaving a trail of death and destruction. Elephants will smash down trees just to eat a handful of green shoots. Cats will catch and play with a mouse and leave it maimed for fun. Orca's will chase a whale and her calf for hours until the mother is too exhausted to protect her young then just eat the tongue leaving the rest to rot. No animal ever built sewage works to treat its waste, it just shits wherever it wants. Many mammals will drag waste bedding out of their den and dump it a few yards away. It's funny how we will sit and watch a wildlife program praising a badgers cleanliness for clearing out it's den and then say humans are disgusting when we see a mattress lobbed over the garden wall onto the waste land behind.

I've no idea why some people have this warped view that there is some imaginary pure being known as mother nature who encourages beauty and wholsomeness that is only destroyed by evil humans. Any species that finds itself without natural predators and in possession of enough food will quickly take over an environment until it has either eaten everything, polluted its own environment to the point it cannot survive or some other organism has appeared to make use of this sudden glut of food. These systems tend to reach equilibrium but don't kid yourself this is out of harmony. The populations are controlled by starvation, predation and battle over resources - mostly over somwhere to live or someone to fuck.

Mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"60% of available farmland in the UK is unsuitable for the production of arable and vegetable crops. Also, given that these sectors are far more reliant on artificial chemicals than the livestock sector i hereby shoot down your claim.

I'm sure you do.

Albeit with a stat that's ignorant to the reality of the food chain.

And yet another person that seems to believe livestock eat fresh air!

The ignorance is purely yours in this case.

Great argument

You win "

Which part of my previous post do you refute? I have worked in the primary sector of the dairy and beef industry and both the primary and secondary sectors of the arable and vegetable sector so i know what i'm talking about. Given this i fail to see how you can accuse me of ignorance. Please advise me as to the source of your knowledge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Which part of my previous post do you refute?"

All of it.


"I have worked in the primary sector of the dairy and beef industry and both the primary and secondary sectors of the arable and vegetable sector so i know what i'm talking about."


"Given this i fail to see how you can accuse me of ignorance. Please advise me as to the source of your knowledge."

I drove a tractor once. I worked on the primary, secondary and tertiary sectors of an allotment. Sometimes I eat asparagus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing again vegan food choices, but it absolutely needs to be a niche and not mainstream or I can totally guarantee as a life long agriculturalist that it will lead to starvation .. healthy world ecology needs livestock and they need to be farmed.

Basic maths suggests otherwise.

80% of all agricultural land is used for grazing and cropland dedicated to the production of feed.

Add to that environmental impacts plus things like antibiotics etc. etc

Just nonsense to suggest it would lead to starvation."

You are correct .. "basic" maths "suggests" .. but your theory is completely misguided. You are exhibiting the classic argument thrown around by those who haven't a clue about agriculture including climatologists and vegan campaigners. I won't be drawn into this particular bun fight as it's the kind of fight those who know the detail lose against a total wave of ignorance and pedalled stupidity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are correct .. "basic" maths "suggests" .. but your theory is completely misguided. You are exhibiting the classic argument thrown around by those who haven't a clue about agriculture including climatologists and vegan campaigners. I won't be drawn into this particular bun fight as it's the kind of fight those who know the detail lose against a total wave of ignorance and pedalled stupidity.

"

That's understandable. It wouldn't make any sense for you to share your knowledge and challenge such stupidity

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"

We breed them into existence. They don't do it themselves.So in the wild they won't overrun the earth. Unlike humans, animals work in harmony with their surroundings.

It always amazes me how many people believe this contrary to all the evidence out there. Humans are just another animal and behave as such. All that is different is that we have the ability to outwit, outsmart and out survive the usual biological limitations that keep all other species in check. Plus, in recent years, we've learnt to make stuff that doesn't simply rot away.

When conditions are right, locusts swarm and destroy every green plant in sight leaving a trail of death and destruction. Elephants will smash down trees just to eat a handful of green shoots. Cats will catch and play with a mouse and leave it maimed for fun. Orca's will chase a whale and her calf for hours until the mother is too exhausted to protect her young then just eat the tongue leaving the rest to rot. No animal ever built sewage works to treat its waste, it just shits wherever it wants. Many mammals will drag waste bedding out of their den and dump it a few yards away. It's funny how we will sit and watch a wildlife program praising a badgers cleanliness for clearing out it's den and then say humans are disgusting when we see a mattress lobbed over the garden wall onto the waste land behind.

I've no idea why some people have this warped view that there is some imaginary pure being known as mother nature who encourages beauty and wholsomeness that is only destroyed by evil humans. Any species that finds itself without natural predators and in possession of enough food will quickly take over an environment until it has either eaten everything, polluted its own environment to the point it cannot survive or some other organism has appeared to make use of this sudden glut of food. These systems tend to reach equilibrium but don't kid yourself this is out of harmony. The populations are controlled by starvation, predation and battle over resources - mostly over somwhere to live or someone to fuck.

Mr"

Comparing a badger not cleaning up after itself with the destruction and pollution humans have wrought on the entire fucking planet is pretty funny, I have to say.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"Nothing again vegan food choices, but it absolutely needs to be a niche and not mainstream or I can totally guarantee as a life long agriculturalist that it will lead to starvation .. healthy world ecology needs livestock and they need to be farmed.

Basic maths suggests otherwise.

80% of all agricultural land is used for grazing and cropland dedicated to the production of feed.

Add to that environmental impacts plus things like antibiotics etc. etc

Just nonsense to suggest it would lead to starvation."

You have just parroted stats funded by Greenpeace that have been parroted elsewhere but there was no research done to establish it.

C

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are correct .. "basic" maths "suggests" .. but your theory is completely misguided. You are exhibiting the classic argument thrown around by those who haven't a clue about agriculture including climatologists and vegan campaigners. I won't be drawn into this particular bun fight as it's the kind of fight those who know the detail lose against a total wave of ignorance and pedalled stupidity.

That's understandable. It wouldn't make any sense for you to share your knowledge and challenge such stupidity "

You just can't argue stupid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Nothing again vegan food choices, but it absolutely needs to be a niche and not mainstream or I can totally guarantee as a life long agriculturalist that it will lead to starvation .. healthy world ecology needs livestock and they need to be farmed.

Basic maths suggests otherwise.

80% of all agricultural land is used for grazing and cropland dedicated to the production of feed.

Add to that environmental impacts plus things like antibiotics etc. etc

Just nonsense to suggest it would lead to starvation.

You have just parroted stats funded by Greenpeace that have been parroted elsewhere but there was no research done to establish it.

C"

Actually from the UN.

But maybe they base their stuff on baseless info from Greenpeace too?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You are correct .. "basic" maths "suggests" .. but your theory is completely misguided. You are exhibiting the classic argument thrown around by those who haven't a clue about agriculture including climatologists and vegan campaigners. I won't be drawn into this particular bun fight as it's the kind of fight those who know the detail lose against a total wave of ignorance and pedalled stupidity.

That's understandable. It wouldn't make any sense for you to share your knowledge and challenge such stupidity

You just can't argue stupid. "

To be fair I had a good go

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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We breed them into existence. They don't do it themselves.So in the wild they won't overrun the earth. Unlike humans, animals work in harmony with their surroundings.

It always amazes me how many people believe this contrary to all the evidence out there. Humans are just another animal and behave as such. All that is different is that we have the ability to outwit, outsmart and out survive the usual biological limitations that keep all other species in check. Plus, in recent years, we've learnt to make stuff that doesn't simply rot away.

When conditions are right, locusts swarm and destroy every green plant in sight leaving a trail of death and destruction. Elephants will smash down trees just to eat a handful of green shoots. Cats will catch and play with a mouse and leave it maimed for fun. Orca's will chase a whale and her calf for hours until the mother is too exhausted to protect her young then just eat the tongue leaving the rest to rot. No animal ever built sewage works to treat its waste, it just shits wherever it wants. Many mammals will drag waste bedding out of their den and dump it a few yards away. It's funny how we will sit and watch a wildlife program praising a badgers cleanliness for clearing out it's den and then say humans are disgusting when we see a mattress lobbed over the garden wall onto the waste land behind.

I've no idea why some people have this warped view that there is some imaginary pure being known as mother nature who encourages beauty and wholsomeness that is only destroyed by evil humans. Any species that finds itself without natural predators and in possession of enough food will quickly take over an environment until it has either eaten everything, polluted its own environment to the point it cannot survive or some other organism has appeared to make use of this sudden glut of food. These systems tend to reach equilibrium but don't kid yourself this is out of harmony. The populations are controlled by starvation, predation and battle over resources - mostly over somwhere to live or someone to fuck.

Mr"

100pc correct. If you work within nature you get to know very well how fucking brutal it is. Nothing gets in the way of mother nature.

Agriculture manages by and large to feed this world of 9 billion still, with relative care and compassion despite what the uneducated on these matters think and have been fed bullshit by a strong anti farming movement.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you work within nature you get to know very well how fucking brutal it is. Nothing gets in the way of mother nature. "

Apart from humans... to a fair extent at least.

I doubt there are too many 'anti farming' people about. It's legitimate to question the most effective use of limited resources.

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By *irthandgirthMan
over a year ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster


"If you work within nature you get to know very well how fucking brutal it is. Nothing gets in the way of mother nature.

Apart from humans... to a fair extent at least.

I doubt there are too many 'anti farming' people about. It's legitimate to question the most effective use of limited resources."

To a minimal extent. Crops and stock animals are still at the mercy of almost every weather condition out there, even if you are sat in the comfort of your home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely it's not rocket science is it? The animals that are fed to be eaten by humans are done so by vegetive matter are they not? That vegetation has to be grown in large quantities. Now I concede that alot of grazing land is unsuitable for growing Avocadoes on but the land that bran and turnips and silage etc is grown on could very easily grow food that doesn't need to be processed through the animal machine to come out edible to humans.

How does it make efficient sense that people would starve if both grazing and animal feed land was repurposed?

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"Surely it's not rocket science is it? The animals that are fed to be eaten by humans are done so by vegetive matter are they not? That vegetation has to be grown in large quantities. Now I concede that alot of grazing land is unsuitable for growing Avocadoes on but the land that bran and turnips and silage etc is grown on could very easily grow food that doesn't need to be processed through the animal machine to come out edible to humans.

How does it make efficient sense that people would starve if both grazing and animal feed land was repurposed?"

Animal based protein 'fills' easier than plant-based

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ive been vegi since i was 16 for no other reason than meat use to bloat me so i stopped eating it and have never eaten it since hubs is a limited meat eater again do for health reasons very complex health reasons he only eats chicken and he fussy so it has to be british and free range/organic ... hes not far from giving it up altogether so he will be veggi soon so we both will be veggie do to health we dont push it on others if some one next to me is eating meat fine ill even cook it for others...

but the world has to change we cannot carry on as normal meat will become expensive and for lots out of there price range more and more people will become veggie at least and some will have no choice ... goverments will reduce meat as part of the climate agenda more and more turn veggie as the years roll on anyway so vegan will just add to that no meat crowd anyway..

meat will sill be available for pets cats cant live without it and many other animals

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS
over a year ago

Lanson


"So if we all stopped eating meat. Who would look after the animals, shear the sheep, give them meds if they are ill, get rid of maggots, look after the cows if they get ill. Look after the land. Farmers wouldn’t be able to do the above. Would we be over run by animals. Genuine question. "

Interesting question but irrelevant as it's not going to happen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yeah it obviously isn't realistic that there won't be any meat eating anywhere in the world.

But it seems woefully ignorant to pretend we in a wealthy country don't need significant change to how we eat and how we farm/produce food.

I get that some don't give a shit and are just here for a bit of vegan bashing for entertainment but the self proclaimed 'experts' touting starvation etc. is just

I didn't spot if the OP added anything to her 'genuine question' at any stage?

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By *mily36CWoman
over a year ago

Bedford (or anywhere beginning with B..!?)


"I could quote easily go meat free. Cows are worse for the environment than diesel cars"

Take it you don't eat any dairy either then???

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS
over a year ago

Lanson


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I didn't spot if the OP added anything to her 'genuine question' at any stage?"

Me neither - but then I only read the first post & answered that one...

I'm fairly confident that the 160 odd posts in-between contain a lot of vegan cult type posts countered by a lot of vegan bashing type posts - tell me I'm wrong!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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I didn't spot if the OP added anything to her 'genuine question' at any stage?

Me neither - but then I only read the first post & answered that one...

I'm fairly confident that the 160 odd posts in-between contain a lot of vegan cult type posts countered by a lot of vegan bashing type posts - tell me I'm wrong!"

Probably. There was definitely reference to militant vegans. I think they're the ones who shoot plants with guns, then tear them apart and eat them.

I only became vegan because I hate plants.

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By *outh by SouthwestMan
over a year ago

East Dorset


" Anatomically we're somewhere inbetween. All that proves is that we're meant to be omnivorous. If you look at true herbivores they have multiple stomachs or other means to redigest food. If you look at truly herbivorous primates all have distended abdomens necessary to house a larger digestive tract."

Not all herbivores are ruminants, horses aren't and no-one would argue they aren't herbivores. We have the digestive tract length and stomach acid pH of an herbivore. Also looking at our nearest relatives evolutionarily they are all herbivores (specifically frugivores) with chimps eating the most meat (97% of calories from plants and 3% from animal sources).

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By *iss Kink OP   Woman
over a year ago

North West


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I didn't spot if the OP added anything to her 'genuine question' at any stage?

Me neither - but then I only read the first post & answered that one...

I'm fairly confident that the 160 odd posts in-between contain a lot of vegan cult type posts countered by a lot of vegan bashing type posts - tell me I'm wrong!"

I can’t be bothered with all the arguing tbho

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By *ister CMan
over a year ago

liverpool


"Give me meat and more meat. That's what our teeth are for.

Incorrect

Our teeth are flat and broad. Our jaws move side to side. This is found only in herbivores. Our canines (found in most animals) are used for harder foods (apples and pears) and ripping open the skin of fruit, veg and nuts (oo-err).

Carnivores have long sharp pointed teeth. Jaws that move up and down only. This is for tearing and ripping raw meat, offal, skin etc.

Also, humans do not have claws. All carnivorous animals have claws for hunting.

Humans have an intestinal track that is around 9-13 times of their torso. This is a herbivore anatomical feature.

Carnivores intestines are up to 6 times the length of their torso. This is to get the rotting flesh they've consumed out of their bodies quickly. This means they don't have animal protein related illnesses seen in meat eating humans."

My god... are you even slightly aware of how wrong you are...

I applaud the confidence but... Jesus did you do basic biology?

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By *ictoria_1976TV/TS
over a year ago

Lanson


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I can’t be bothered with all the arguing tbho"

Don't blame you - looks like said thread will reach it's conclusion soon.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good vegan question everyone.

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