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Ozzie Players Shun Rainbow Flag

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Seven Oz rubgy players have refused to wear their new club jersey which depicts a rainbow flag emblym. They had not been consulted first and the club has apologised to all parties.

What's going on in Oz guys?

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By *ustme34Man
over a year ago

Bingley

What do you mean whats going on in them

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Maybe they don't like wearing political symbols?

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

My experience of Ozzie men outside of Sydney and a couple other cities is they are not very open to diversity so no surprise but forcing people to celebrate diversity isn’t the solution

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"Seven Oz rubgy players have refused to wear their new club jersey which depicts a rainbow flag emblym. They had not been consulted first and the club has apologised to all parties.

What's going on in Oz guys?"

What’s going on in oz? All sorts of things.

What’s going on in this particular situation? Pretty much what you reported

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By *partharmonyCouple
over a year ago

Ruislip

Maybe they don't like gay people. They probably all talk about it after the game when they are all having a shower together.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"Maybe they don't like gay people. They probably all talk about it after the game when they are all having a shower together. "

Apparently, the players objected to the shirts “on religious and cultural grounds”.

Sounds like the sort of stuff Israel falau has come out with in the past

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-62301091

Is it ironic that team are from Manly?! I first read the caption that read 'manly players....' and thought ah....I see the problem lol

It's against their religious and cultural beliefs apparently and they didn't call for the shirt to be withdrawn, they opted to boycott the game which is better I guess.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"Maybe they don't like gay people. They probably all talk about it after the game when they are all having a shower together.

Apparently, the players objected to the shirts “on religious and cultural grounds”.

Sounds like the sort of stuff Israel falau has come out with in the past "

I did think of him when I read the article!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?"

Good point

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point "

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Religious and cultural grounds." It's a fantastic excuse for being a cunt really.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols. "

This sort of post is why we need a 'Like' button.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Funny the responses to what basically amounts to telling people what to wear

I thought we were past telling people what to wear?

Or is that only in certain situations?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

"

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


""Religious and cultural grounds." It's a fantastic excuse for being a cunt really. "

Not exactly a first!

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple. "

So this boils down to “they have no right to exercise their religion how they want to”

That’s an interesting take

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

For the record I'm not saying they have to wear it. I said before it was better for them to boycott rather than demand the shirt be pulled (although it ultimately ended that way).

Just be honest about the reasons. Don't hide behind religion or culture when you're happy to go against those things for monetary gain.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple.

So this boils down to “they have no right to exercise their religion how they want to”

That’s an interesting take "

I'm an interesting person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple.

So this boils down to “they have no right to exercise their religion how they want to”

That’s an interesting take "

I think it’s the “a la carte” inconsistency that Evie is looting out, picking and choosing when they feel that their religious concerns matter.

Clearly pride outranks gambling and booze in wherever religious framework they are using. And violence is ok too.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place? "

Pride month? Supporting LBGT players? Making the sport less homophobic?

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place? "

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple.

So this boils down to “they have no right to exercise their religion how they want to”

That’s an interesting take

I think it’s the “a la carte” inconsistency that Evie is looting out, picking and choosing when they feel that their religious concerns matter.

Clearly pride outranks gambling and booze in wherever religious framework they are using. And violence is ok too. "

Absolutely. Gambling and alcohol does far more damage than being gay will ever do but because the rainbow isn't lining they're pockets that's the one that's suddenly not ok to have on their shirts.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple.

So this boils down to “they have no right to exercise their religion how they want to”

That’s an interesting take

I think it’s the “a la carte” inconsistency that Evie is looting out, picking and choosing when they feel that their religious concerns matter.

Clearly pride outranks gambling and booze in wherever religious framework they are using. And violence is ok too. "

Sadly that’s what that have to do to keep their job

The entire thing is so aggressively polarising you have to hide behind those reasons because anyone having an opinion that’s anything less than “I support every aspect you suppprt” is met with violent venom

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it "

Then they should say that and not hide behind 'its against my rElIgIoN!' in the hopes that no one dare say anything to challenge that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Pride month? Supporting LBGT players? Making the sport less homophobic?"

So maybe it should be optional!

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

Then they should say that and not hide behind 'its against my rElIgIoN!' in the hopes that no one dare say anything to challenge that. "

They can’t because the other side is too aggressive. They’ve probably been told by management to not say anything and just hide behind a safe reason because no one can have an opinion these days without bring attacked

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"For the record I'm not saying they have to wear it. I said before it was better for them to boycott rather than demand the shirt be pulled (although it ultimately ended that way).

Just be honest about the reasons. Don't hide behind religion or culture when you're happy to go against those things for monetary gain. "

This is exactly my opinion. Have the integrity to be honest about the reasons, though the club could have avoided this by having 2 variants, one with the traditional white band, the other rainbow so players choose like they do taking the knee

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"For the record I'm not saying they have to wear it. I said before it was better for them to boycott rather than demand the shirt be pulled (although it ultimately ended that way).

Just be honest about the reasons. Don't hide behind religion or culture when you're happy to go against those things for monetary gain.

This is exactly my opinion. Have the integrity to be honest about the reasons, though the club could have avoided this by having 2 variants, one with the traditional white band, the other rainbow so players choose like they do taking the knee"

Yeah I like that option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe they don't like gay people. They probably all talk about it after the game when they are all having a shower together. "

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Pride month? Supporting LBGT players? Making the sport less homophobic?"

And the very fact that it has caused such problems is exactly why it's needed.

I support the players right to not wear it in the same way I support but don't agree with people not taking the knee. But all these people do is prove that that sport does have a problem and it does need address. It's 2022, homophobia is not okay even when wrapped up as religious beliefs and it needs challenging

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols. "

Ramming it down people's throats isn't the answer.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Pride month? Supporting LBGT players? Making the sport less homophobic?

So maybe it should be optional! "

It can’t be. Everyone on a team has the west the same shirt. That’s the rule

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"For the record I'm not saying they have to wear it. I said before it was better for them to boycott rather than demand the shirt be pulled (although it ultimately ended that way).

Just be honest about the reasons. Don't hide behind religion or culture when you're happy to go against those things for monetary gain.

This is exactly my opinion. Have the integrity to be honest about the reasons, though the club could have avoided this by having 2 variants, one with the traditional white band, the other rainbow so players choose like they do taking the knee"

No, they can’t. All have to wear the same kit.

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"For the record I'm not saying they have to wear it. I said before it was better for them to boycott rather than demand the shirt be pulled (although it ultimately ended that way).

Just be honest about the reasons. Don't hide behind religion or culture when you're happy to go against those things for monetary gain.

This is exactly my opinion. Have the integrity to be honest about the reasons, though the club could have avoided this by having 2 variants, one with the traditional white band, the other rainbow so players choose like they do taking the knee

Yeah I like that option. "

League rules are that they all have to wear the same kit, so that isn’t an option

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

Manly players clashing with their board isn’t new.

It’ll be interesting to see who backs down and who doesn’t. Especially if the numbers correlate between players out of contract next year (and at least one openly wanting to leave) who stay firm in their refusal and those backing down being on longer term deals.

Regardless of the rights or wrongs Manly, as a club with a lot of religious players and a club that’s had drama before, have massively shot themselves in the foot PR wise with this one.

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry


"For the record I'm not saying they have to wear it. I said before it was better for them to boycott rather than demand the shirt be pulled (although it ultimately ended that way).

Just be honest about the reasons. Don't hide behind religion or culture when you're happy to go against those things for monetary gain.

This is exactly my opinion. Have the integrity to be honest about the reasons, though the club could have avoided this by having 2 variants, one with the traditional white band, the other rainbow so players choose like they do taking the knee"

NRL teams have to all wear the same jersey. The only deviation is the number.

They don’t even have player names or squad numbers, just the 1-13 shirts.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place? "

I don't know their reasons but typically it will be to show solidarity, to express organisations' values and rules, etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Pride month? Supporting LBGT players? Making the sport less homophobic?

So maybe it should be optional!

It can’t be. Everyone on a team has the west the same shirt. That’s the rule "

Armbands?

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Ramming it down people's throats isn't the answer. "

Agree, sportsmen and women should be coerced into making political gestures.

I'm a big believer in freedom of speech and expression so I don't think that someone should be ostracised for refusing to wear a symbol on their uniform

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I would happily wear it but I don’t agree anyone should have to wear it. And their reasons shouldn’t be questioned.

Bit like the poppy argument that rolls round every year. You are not a raging UK hater for simply not wearing one and your reasons are your own.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Maybe they …… oh I can’t be bothered.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I mean, it's the Manly Sea Eagles, the fuck do you want

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

I applaud them for taking a stance. I can’t see however how they’ll come out the other side unscathed from it but well done for standing up to what they believe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Called choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A rainbow kit could make it hard to tackle someone as the brur effect could effect your contact point when defending them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple. "
and so what if it is homophobic it's still there choice.

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By *ed VoluptaWoman
over a year ago

Wirral.


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

Then they should say that and not hide behind 'its against my rElIgIoN!' in the hopes that no one dare say anything to challenge that. "

You'd really feel better if they said they're not wearing the rainbow 'cos they hate gays??

And, to be fair, we don't KNOW their exact reason.

I don't think folk should be forced into something that makes them uncomfortable. Talk & persuasion is the way. Or, has been said above, keep politics out of sport x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

Then they should say that and not hide behind 'its against my rElIgIoN!' in the hopes that no one dare say anything to challenge that.

You'd really feel better if they said they're not wearing the rainbow 'cos they hate gays??

And, to be fair, we don't KNOW their exact reason.

I don't think folk should be forced into something that makes them uncomfortable. Talk & persuasion is the way. Or, has been said above, keep politics out of sport x"
this as a rugby player if i were to turn up to a new season with a shirt covered in political slogans and statements id have a transfer in before the day ended

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"

You'd really feel better if they said they're not wearing the rainbow 'cos they hate gays??

"

I'd certainly respect them more yes. I'm sick of the right claiming they aren't racist, aren't transphobic, aren't homophobic and then claiming they are censored for speaking out. Stop with the vagueness and own their opinions and beliefs rather than eternal whatifisms to justify them.

I'm proud of all my beliefs, and get attackd for them so even that defense doesn't work!

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By *limguy49Man
over a year ago

Swindon

They have refused on religious grounds simple as that....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mean, it's the Manly Sea Eagles, the fuck do you want "

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By *omsubdevonCouple
over a year ago

Newton Abbot


"They have refused on religious grounds simple as that.... "

So it's ok to use religion to be homophobic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

You'd really feel better if they said they're not wearing the rainbow 'cos they hate gays??

I'd certainly respect them more yes. I'm sick of the right claiming they aren't racist, aren't transphobic, aren't homophobic and then claiming they are censored for speaking out. Stop with the vagueness and own their opinions and beliefs rather than eternal whatifisms to justify them.

I'm proud of all my beliefs, and get attackd for them so even that defense doesn't work!"
its all about the how

If you met 2 salespeople one was very agressive didnt care you didnt want it and wouldnt leave until you got it or thru him out

The other charmed you complemented you made you feel at ease

Which of the two are you most likely to listen to

Who will convince you to do what they want you to do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m not sure disagreeing to wear the rainbow emblem demonstrates homophobia. I perceive homophobia as the act of discriminating against someone based on their homosexuality (such as not giving a job to someone on that basis or being abusive to someone with homophobic terminology used. Isn’t there a danger we are lowering the threshold for phobias. Someone not being willing to support a cause isn’t an indication of a phobia (on its’ own), there would have to be more evidence.

I think we need to accept that some folk don’t like stuff but are happy to leave others to make their choices.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"They have refused on religious grounds simple as that.... "

But their devout religious beliefs only count when it's in support of the gays? Gambling and alcohol promotion is A-OK for them.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple. and so what if it is homophobic it's still there choice."

Never said it wasn't their choice but I have the right to challenge it. I've never said they didn't have the right not to wear the shirt. Just be honest about their reasons and stop cherry picking when their religion is important to them. They're hiding behind their 'religion'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They have refused on religious grounds simple as that....

But their devout religious beliefs only count when it's in support of the gays? Gambling and alcohol promotion is A-OK for them. "

In my experience a lot of religious people are hypocrites and I say this having grown up with 4 different religions having a massive influence on my life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you force people to wear “the flag” then it loses its meaning - it becomes a tickbox. People should want to celebrate diversity - if a group does not then that is the issue to address, not the presence or otherwise of a flag on their shirt.

However, does everyone need to embrace diversity? Surely it is a choice - it’s not 1984…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

Good point

But isn't the point that they have the right to decide if they want to wear the emblem??

There's a difference between a company paying for advertising and a political emblem.

Rightly or wrongly they have the right to refuse to wear it.

Forcing them to wear it is as bad as forcing them not to if they wanted to.

And from what I have read they haven't expressed any hatred they just don't want to wear it!

Yes they have the right but they can't pick and choose when yo claim to have righteous religious views. Gambling goes against most religions but they're happy to be sponsored by casino or slot machine companies. No complaints about upholding their prescious religious values there. But a rainbow shoeing support for the LBGT community.... suddenly they're devout?

It's homophobic pure and simple. and so what if it is homophobic it's still there choice.

Never said it wasn't their choice but I have the right to challenge it. I've never said they didn't have the right not to wear the shirt. Just be honest about their reasons and stop cherry picking when their religion is important to them. They're hiding behind their 'religion'. "
be realist what high profile athlete could be honest about reasons for anything in the world where in when the minute you express an opinion about anything your publically linched for it there charged by vertue sygnaling governing bodies for it its not realistic to expect anyone to give the 100% truth if it may cos £££££ in either bullshit fines or lost wages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?"

If they are Christian, the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling. They believe that alcohol is a gift from God that makes life more joyous, but are warned against over-indulgence and cigarettes weren't a thing when the Bible was written.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I suspect that the backlash for this kind of thing will make it no longer worth it now or soon

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton


"Seven Oz rubgy players have refused to wear their new club jersey which depicts a rainbow flag emblym. They had not been consulted first and the club has apologised to all parties.

What's going on in Oz guys?"

Why should they be consulted? If they want the job, they should wear the fucking kit.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Seven Oz rubgy players have refused to wear their new club jersey which depicts a rainbow flag emblym. They had not been consulted first and the club has apologised to all parties.

What's going on in Oz guys?"

Again… Tom sensationalist again

Nope…. It’s a one off kit that that the manly sea eagles are wearing to celebrate inclusion… so instead of where the very thin white stripes would be it would be replaced by the pride colours!!!

It’s actually really tastefully done and if I could get a jersey I absolutely would.. but they are all sold out!

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

Keep politics out of sports. End of. It's a polarising subject. Professional sports are popular because they offer an "escape" from life's many issues.

Mixing the two never brings any good.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?"

.. and playing on Sundays….

That is also the point being made… that people may be hiding behind religious grounds to mask homophobia

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia"

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia"

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"Keep politics out of sports. End of. It's a polarising subject. Professional sports are popular because they offer an "escape" from life's many issues.

Mixing the two never brings any good."

I have posted this before in it's own thread.

There are two:

Sexes: Men and Political

Sexualities: Straight and political

Genders: Cis and political

Races: White and political

Womens hair styles: Long and political

Religions: Christian and political

This isn't about politics, there are politics in everything, there is politics in NOT having things present.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seven Oz rubgy players have refused to wear their new club jersey which depicts a rainbow flag emblym. They had not been consulted first and the club has apologised to all parties.

What's going on in Oz guys?

Why should they be consulted? If they want the job, they should wear the fucking kit."
haha so much for inclusion

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t."

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Keep politics out of sports. End of. It's a polarising subject. Professional sports are popular because they offer an "escape" from life's many issues.

Mixing the two never brings any good."

That comment is full of entitlement. But for many people it's not politics it's their life. If you are a gay male many sports are not welcoming it's as simple as that.

It's 2022, calling out homophobia and standing as an ally with the LGBTQIA+ community should not be polarising. Same as taking the knee shouldn't be polarising.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Keep politics out of sports. End of. It's a polarising subject. Professional sports are popular because they offer an "escape" from life's many issues.

Mixing the two never brings any good.

I have posted this before in it's own thread.

There are two:

Sexes: Men and Political

Sexualities: Straight and political

Genders: Cis and political

Races: White and political

Womens hair styles: Long and political

Religions: Christian and political

This isn't about politics, there are politics in everything, there is politics in NOT having things present.

"

Neutrality is siding with the oppressor. I'm glad that Australian sport is dragging its sorry arse out of the 19th century.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?"

By that logic black players who stopped taking the knee are racist

I thought being inclusive including supporting people for their religious beliefs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?

By that logic black players who stopped taking the knee are racist

I thought being inclusive including supporting people for their religious beliefs."

Included**

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?"

The funny part is the religious views they are citing are quite likely Christian, and in the Christian religion, the Rainbow is God's promise not to send another flood....

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By *atcherwankerMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols. "

Like poppies?

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North


"Keep politics out of sports. End of. It's a polarising subject. Professional sports are popular because they offer an "escape" from life's many issues.

Mixing the two never brings any good.

I have posted this before in it's own thread.

There are two:

Sexes: Men and Political

Sexualities: Straight and political

Genders: Cis and political

Races: White and political

Womens hair styles: Long and political

Religions: Christian and political

This isn't about politics, there are politics in everything, there is politics in NOT having things present.

"

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By *rs spicyCouple
over a year ago

Chesterfield near centre


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies? "

Is a poppy a political symbol?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol? "

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is "

There are Two:

Symbols: Ones I like & Political

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By *rs spicyCouple
over a year ago

Chesterfield near centre


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is "

Is it? Please explain.

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By *atcherwankerMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

There are Two:

Symbols: Ones I like & Political"

*Hammers the imaginary "like" button*

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest


"Keep politics out of sports. End of. It's a polarising subject. Professional sports are popular because they offer an "escape" from life's many issues.

Mixing the two never brings any good.

I have posted this before in it's own thread.

There are two:

Sexes: Men and Political

Sexualities: Straight and political

Genders: Cis and political

Races: White and political

Womens hair styles: Long and political

Religions: Christian and political

This isn't about politics, there are politics in everything, there is politics in NOT having things present.

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. . . . .. . .. . . ..,/. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ”:,

. . .. . . . .. .,?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\,

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. . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`^`.}

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. . .. . . .?. . . __. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :`. . . ./

. . . . . . . /__.(. . .“~-,_. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`. . . .. ./

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain. "

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?

By that logic black players who stopped taking the knee are racist

I thought being inclusive including supporting people for their religious beliefs."

Even when they pick and choose to serve their own homophobic values?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

.. and playing on Sundays….

That is also the point being made… that people may be hiding behind religious grounds to mask homophobia "

Playing sports on a Sunday is not against Christian beliefs and is not mentioned in the Bible. A few years ago the Pope made a statement that "good Catholics should be able to play on Sunday afternoons if they went to Sunday morning mass, but that it was a matter for the believer's own conscience".

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies? "

No poppies are clearly different because its not those nasty liberals trying to force their leftwing beliefs on everyone.

I mean it's ironic that the Venn diagram of people demanding everyone must wear a poppy and of people demanding we don't politicise sport with rainbow colours or taking the knee is very likely a circle...

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By *rs spicyCouple
over a year ago

Chesterfield near centre


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling."

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

.. and playing on Sundays….

That is also the point being made… that people may be hiding behind religious grounds to mask homophobia "

If they've been taught gay sex, marriage etc is wrong is that always phobic?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

No poppies are clearly different because its not those nasty liberals trying to force their leftwing beliefs on everyone.

I mean it's ironic that the Venn diagram of people demanding everyone must wear a poppy and of people demanding we don't politicise sport with rainbow colours or taking the knee is very likely a circle..."

Pretty much.

Maybe if the right don't like views other than their own, they should disengage?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?

By that logic black players who stopped taking the knee are racist

I thought being inclusive including supporting people for their religious beliefs.

Even when they pick and choose to serve their own homophobic values?"

Do you know these players are picking and choosing or is this an assumption?

Where do we draw the line then? Do we get to decide which religions are good and which aren’t? This doesn’t sound like inclusivity.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

"

I'm sorry you don't have the capacity to consider my perspective.

The poppy had noble origins and has been coopted. I don't participate because giving cover to fascists is not my idea of serving my country.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

"

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They have refused on religious grounds simple as that....

But their devout religious beliefs only count when it's in support of the gays? Gambling and alcohol promotion is A-OK for them. "

Gambling and alcohol are really ok because the biggest company in the world "the church" fucking loves money over anything else

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?

By that logic black players who stopped taking the knee are racist

I thought being inclusive including supporting people for their religious beliefs.

Even when they pick and choose to serve their own homophobic values?

Do you know these players are picking and choosing or is this an assumption?

Where do we draw the line then? Do we get to decide which religions are good and which aren’t? This doesn’t sound like inclusivity. "

That's a leap lol I'm all for people practicing religion. Where have I said they can't? I don't believe that we should allow them to uphold discriminatory values though. That extends to all discrimination. Believe in a sky God all you like just don't discriminate against others.

Love thy neighbour and all that jazz.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If you force people to wear “the flag” then it loses its meaning - it becomes a tickbox. People should want to celebrate diversity - if a group does not then that is the issue to address, not the presence or otherwise of a flag on their shirt.

However, does everyone need to embrace diversity? Surely it is a choice - it’s not 1984…"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

"

Political meaning has been shoehorned into the poppy. Swing isn't inventing it. Just do some reading. I still wear one for reasons I don't need to state, but it's no longer an innocent symbol.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

Political meaning has been shoehorned into the poppy. Swing isn't inventing it. Just do some reading. I still wear one for reasons I don't need to state, but it's no longer an innocent symbol. "

Indeed.

There are other ways to do the things originally under the umbrella of the poppy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?

By that logic black players who stopped taking the knee are racist

I thought being inclusive including supporting people for their religious beliefs.

Even when they pick and choose to serve their own homophobic values?

Do you know these players are picking and choosing or is this an assumption?

Where do we draw the line then? Do we get to decide which religions are good and which aren’t? This doesn’t sound like inclusivity.

That's a leap lol I'm all for people practicing religion. Where have I said they can't? I don't believe that we should allow them to uphold discriminatory values though. That extends to all discrimination. Believe in a sky God all you like just don't discriminate against others.

Love thy neighbour and all that jazz. "

But that’s telling them to ignore their religious beliefs. That’s very problematic.

For context I’m an agnostic lefty but I can also think for myself and see hypocrisy in all of this.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help? "

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

Anyway, I think the Roosters will beat the Sea Eagles on Thursday now cause of these missing players.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

If they are Christian, the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling. They believe that alcohol is a gift from God that makes life more joyous, but are warned against over-indulgence and cigarettes weren't a thing when the Bible was written."

Taken from justdisciple.com

Can Christians gamble? Christians should not gamble. The Bible says that gambling is focused on loving and trusting in money rather than God, and gambling can easily become an addiction. Christians should not gamble but instead steward what they have well and rely on Jesus, who is greater than gambling.

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By *rs spicyCouple
over a year ago

Chesterfield near centre


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

I'm sorry you don't have the capacity to consider my perspective.

The poppy had noble origins and has been coopted. I don't participate because giving cover to fascists is not my idea of serving my country."

I do have that capacity and since you have made your (fed) perspective very clear, it is easy and clear to see.

Making wild assertions based on false premise about the poppy doesn't make it right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyway, I think the Roosters will beat the Sea Eagles on Thursday now cause of these missing players. "

3/1 says they don’t

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"These are the men citing religious grounds but who have no problem with advertising gambling, cigarettes or alcohol and are definitely not homophobic?

If they are Christian, the Bible does not specifically condemn gambling. They believe that alcohol is a gift from God that makes life more joyous, but are warned against over-indulgence and cigarettes weren't a thing when the Bible was written.

Taken from justdisciple.com

Can Christians gamble? Christians should not gamble. The Bible says that gambling is focused on loving and trusting in money rather than God, and gambling can easily become an addiction. Christians should not gamble but instead steward what they have well and rely on Jesus, who is greater than gambling."

I went to an extremely liberal church growing up, and our older members would not even gamble with matchsticks, because it was regarded as a sin. (Some wouldn't drink either, although communion was grape juice for social justice reasons not because of insert the history of the denomination here)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It is quite amazing to see how far the LGBTQ+ mob will stretch to defend their bullying. I'll bet many of them are composing their anonymous death-threats against the player's children as we speak. "

That's quite a vile accusation!!

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North


"Anyway, I think the Roosters will beat the Sea Eagles on Thursday now cause of these missing players.

3/1 says they don’t "

A pint says they do

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Just out of interest… have any of you gone to see what the new offensive manly sea eagles shirt looks like???

Just interested to know if you find it controversial

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

I'm sorry you don't have the capacity to consider my perspective.

The poppy had noble origins and has been coopted. I don't participate because giving cover to fascists is not my idea of serving my country.

I do have that capacity and since you have made your (fed) perspective very clear, it is easy and clear to see.

Making wild assertions based on false premise about the poppy doesn't make it right. "

As said above, do your reading.

I've looked into it and you're telling me how you feel, so your view is more valid? Facts don't care about your feelings, honey

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Anyway, I think the Roosters will beat the Sea Eagles on Thursday now cause of these missing players.

3/1 says they don’t "

Lol.. I think they aren’t taking bets on it anymore… ironically the main sponsors of the sea eagles is a bookies!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

"

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"Just out of interest… have any of you gone to see what the new offensive manly sea eagles shirt looks like???

Just interested to know if you find it controversial "

The rainbow is barely 5% of the shirt at the very most.

Few stripes of rainbow and the piping around the next and sleeves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

I'm sorry you don't have the capacity to consider my perspective.

The poppy had noble origins and has been coopted. I don't participate because giving cover to fascists is not my idea of serving my country.

I do have that capacity and since you have made your (fed) perspective very clear, it is easy and clear to see.

Making wild assertions based on false premise about the poppy doesn't make it right.

As said above, do your reading.

I've looked into it and you're telling me how you feel, so your view is more valid? Facts don't care about your feelings, honey "

and saying Swing has been fed a perspective is insulting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyway, I think the Roosters will beat the Sea Eagles on Thursday now cause of these missing players.

3/1 says they don’t

A pint says they do "

You’re on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyway, I think the Roosters will beat the Sea Eagles on Thursday now cause of these missing players.

3/1 says they don’t

Lol.. I think they aren’t taking bets on it anymore… ironically the main sponsors of the sea eagles is a bookies!! "

Damn it! We could have made some serious cash

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Just out of interest… have any of you gone to see what the new offensive manly sea eagles shirt looks like???

Just interested to know if you find it controversial

The rainbow is barely 5% of the shirt at the very most.

Few stripes of rainbow and the piping around the next and sleeves."

There's a long, tiring history of Australian football codes vice signalling over this kind of crap. Yes, there's the old traditional notion of Australian history blah blah blah, but time to leave that back in the fucking colonies.

I mostly think it's funny that it's the Sea Eagles, because of course the fuck it is.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"It is quite amazing to see how far the LGBTQ+ mob will stretch to defend their bullying. I'll bet many of them are composing their anonymous death-threats against the player's children as we speak. "

Bullying?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Just out of interest… have any of you gone to see what the new offensive manly sea eagles shirt looks like???

Just interested to know if you find it controversial

The rainbow is barely 5% of the shirt at the very most.

Few stripes of rainbow and the piping around the next and sleeves.

There's a long, tiring history of Australian football codes vice signalling over this kind of crap. Yes, there's the old traditional notion of Australian history blah blah blah, but time to leave that back in the fucking colonies.

I mostly think it's funny that it's the Sea Eagles, because of course the fuck it is. "

History?

Masculinity. Fuckssake Swing.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity. "

They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?

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By *atcherwankerMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

"

Watch the right wing press lose their absolute shit if anyone in the public eye dares to appear on television or at a public event or on a sports field during their arbitrarily allotted poppy fetishism period (or even worse, choosing to wear a white poppy) and tell me that it's not political.

Denying what's happening right in front of your face doesn't make you right, just blinkered.

The poppy was conceived as a symbol of national mourning not as a political gesture, that's your argument for it not being a political symbol, yes? By that argument, a rainbow isn't a political symbol either. It's the visual spectrum of light refracted through a prism. That's not political, so there's no reason these rugby players should object to wearing it.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?"

I'm guessing that for some reason they think the NHS was forbidden by the bible?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?

I'm guessing that for some reason they think the NHS was forbidden by the bible?"

Look who's blinkered. They don't have the NHS in Australia, Polly.

And coming from Manly, they probably don't slum it with public health either

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity.

They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?"

A spokesperson said that. None of the players have spoken up afaik. I'm not going to judge someone as homophobic because they don't want to wear a shirt that they had no say over. It's bonkers.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?"

I mentioned further upthread, the bible is very Pro-Rainbow as it is God's promise not to flood the world again...

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

If they do wear it will they have to explain why to their church elders? Should we not take their duty to their religion into consideration, or should we now ignore all religious tenet?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity.

They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?

A spokesperson said that. None of the players have spoken up afaik. I'm not going to judge someone as homophobic because they don't want to wear a shirt that they had no say over. It's bonkers. "

Given the history of the codes... I'm not going to say it's definitely homophobic, but I side eye the lot of it

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By *atcherwankerMan
over a year ago

Birmingham


"It is quite amazing to see how far the LGBTQ+ mob will stretch to defend their bullying. I'll bet many of them are composing their anonymous death-threats against the player's children as we speak.

That's quite a vile accusation!!"

Also interesting how people speaking up against hatred and in support of marginalised communities are a "mob", while people speaking up against marginalised communities and in favour of perpetuating hatred and marginalisation are all "freedom of speech"

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It is quite amazing to see how far the LGBTQ+ mob will stretch to defend their bullying. I'll bet many of them are composing their anonymous death-threats against the player's children as we speak.

That's quite a vile accusation!!

Also interesting how people speaking up against hatred and in support of marginalised communities are a "mob", while people speaking up against marginalised communities and in favour of perpetuating hatred and marginalisation are all "freedom of speech" "

Quite

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

Watch the right wing press lose their absolute shit if anyone in the public eye dares to appear on television or at a public event or on a sports field during their arbitrarily allotted poppy fetishism period (or even worse, choosing to wear a white poppy) and tell me that it's not political.

Denying what's happening right in front of your face doesn't make you right, just blinkered.

The poppy was conceived as a symbol of national mourning not as a political gesture, that's your argument for it not being a political symbol, yes? By that argument, a rainbow isn't a political symbol either. It's the visual spectrum of light refracted through a prism. That's not political, so there's no reason these rugby players should object to wearing it."

Look at the abuse James McLean has received for not wearing one

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"It was much simpler when sport didn't allow political symbols.

Like poppies?

Is a poppy a political symbol?

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Of course it is

Is it? Please explain.

It's been coopted as a semi compulsory display of pro military force. Not supporting veterans who've returned - the Legion does great work on that but it's not followed up with central action - but a nationalist pro war display.

I'm all for appreciating the solemnity of war, but the public display involved around remembrance day is just nationalist virtue signalling.

Oh, so you try to shoe horn political meaning into the Poppy.

That's a reflection on you, not the Poppy.

Watch the right wing press lose their absolute shit if anyone in the public eye dares to appear on television or at a public event or on a sports field during their arbitrarily allotted poppy fetishism period (or even worse, choosing to wear a white poppy) and tell me that it's not political.

Denying what's happening right in front of your face doesn't make you right, just blinkered.

The poppy was conceived as a symbol of national mourning not as a political gesture, that's your argument for it not being a political symbol, yes? By that argument, a rainbow isn't a political symbol either. It's the visual spectrum of light refracted through a prism. That's not political, so there's no reason these rugby players should object to wearing it.

Look at the abuse James McLean has received for not wearing one"

I've had abuse for not wearing one, and I'm not anybody.

One, my national day of remembrance is in fucking April, and two, I remember in private fuck off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it "

QABC??

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity.

They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?

A spokesperson said that. None of the players have spoken up afaik. I'm not going to judge someone as homophobic because they don't want to wear a shirt that they had no say over. It's bonkers. "

'But players weren't consulted and some object to the move on religious and cultural grounds.'

It doesn't say a spokesman made then statement....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity.

They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?

A spokesperson said that. None of the players have spoken up afaik. I'm not going to judge someone as homophobic because they don't want to wear a shirt that they had no say over. It's bonkers.

Given the history of the codes... I'm not going to say it's definitely homophobic, but I side eye the lot of it "

You will know more than I do about that. Yeah if it's sus and they all come out saying a load of homophobic abuse then fair play - have at them.

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
over a year ago

Stockport


"It is quite amazing to see how far people will stretch to defend homophobia

I would wear the flag but you can’t say not wearing it is homophobia.

You can’t just celebrate everyone you agree with but vilify everyone you don’t.

So they're not wearing it because they hate rainbows? If this isn't anti LBGT then what is it?

I'm guessing that for some reason they think the NHS was forbidden by the bible?"

Or possibly their branch of christianity deems the music of Pink Floyd to be sinful?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity.

They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?

A spokesperson said that. None of the players have spoken up afaik. I'm not going to judge someone as homophobic because they don't want to wear a shirt that they had no say over. It's bonkers.

Given the history of the codes... I'm not going to say it's definitely homophobic, but I side eye the lot of it

You will know more than I do about that. Yeah if it's sus and they all come out saying a load of homophobic abuse then fair play - have at them. "

I won't quite come out and say it, but... Super suss.

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over a year ago


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity.

They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?

A spokesperson said that. None of the players have spoken up afaik. I'm not going to judge someone as homophobic because they don't want to wear a shirt that they had no say over. It's bonkers.

'But players weren't consulted and some object to the move on religious and cultural grounds.'

It doesn't say a spokesman made then statement....

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Hasler (the coach) made the statement.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??"

Homophobic dog whistle.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

Homophobic dog whistle."

Is everyone who doesn't agree with you homophobic?

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

Homophobic dog whistle.

Is everyone who doesn't agree with you homophobic?

"

That is an absurd statement.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??"

I think it was am attempting at humour. Albeit homophobic humour to tie up with their attempt to blame the trans community

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

Homophobic dog whistle.

Is everyone who doesn't agree with you homophobic?

That is an absurd statement. "

So if I said I don't agree that Lia Thomas should have competed in the women's swim events, am I homophobic or not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

Homophobic dog whistle."

I'm lost! It was a genuine question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

Homophobic dog whistle.

Is everyone who doesn't agree with you homophobic?

"

Check the green arrow.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

Homophobic dog whistle.

I'm lost! It was a genuine question"

Yes I was answering, the deliberately altering the initialism of the LGBTQIA+ community is a homophobic dog whistle.meant to degrade the community as a whole, I cannot say that's WHY it was being used here, but it is something that happens. Sorry if I confused you.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

I think it was am attempting at humour. Albeit homophobic humour to tie up with their attempt to blame the trans community "

Just time to let these "jokes" fall flat. It's like farting in front of the Queen.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

Homophobic dog whistle.

Is everyone who doesn't agree with you homophobic?

That is an absurd statement.

So if I said I don't agree that Lia Thomas should have competed in the women's swim events, am I homophobic or not? "

No, transphobic maybe though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

I think it was am attempting at humour. Albeit homophobic humour to tie up with their attempt to blame the trans community "

How is a question homophobic?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If a newsreader can't be forced to wear a poppy, sportspeople shouldn't be forced to wear rainbows.

I kinda agree. The players weren't consulted, didn't get any kind of heads up. But they have to wear them and for whatever reason cited - they didn't want to. Maybe because they think the rainbow on a shirt is performative, maybe because they're anti-LGBT but whatever it's their choice what they wear. I don't think teams should be forcing or guilting players into stuff like this. How does it help?

I'm all for supporting gay pride etc, but I'm also against forcing people to go against their principles or religious beliefs.

I had to have a debate with an African man in an English class once about gay marriage.

He was Christian and totally against it because of his beliefs and I was supposed to try to change his mind-just as a speaking exercise.

I had my arguments and he had his. His being it's what the Bible teaches. How was I supposed to argue with the Bible?

The players themselves haven't said anything afaik. So we don't know the details. But I have to say calling someone homophobic because they won't wear a rainbow is insanity.

They have said it's due to religious and cultural reasons according to the BBC article I read. Where is the Bible anti rainbow?

A spokesperson said that. None of the players have spoken up afaik. I'm not going to judge someone as homophobic because they don't want to wear a shirt that they had no say over. It's bonkers.

Given the history of the codes... I'm not going to say it's definitely homophobic, but I side eye the lot of it

You will know more than I do about that. Yeah if it's sus and they all come out saying a load of homophobic abuse then fair play - have at them.

I won't quite come out and say it, but... Super suss."

Gotcha

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

I think it was am attempting at humour. Albeit homophobic humour to tie up with their attempt to blame the trans community

How is a question homophobic?"

Not your question, the statement you were questioning.

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

I think it was am attempting at humour. Albeit homophobic humour to tie up with their attempt to blame the trans community

Just time to let these "jokes" fall flat. It's like farting in front of the Queen."

She might think a fart is hilarious.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

Homophobic dog whistle.

Is everyone who doesn't agree with you homophobic?

That is an absurd statement.

So if I said I don't agree that Lia Thomas should have competed in the women's swim events, am I homophobic or not? "

No. But possibly transphobic depending on the arguments put forward and language used. Some of the comments I've seen elsewhere defending women's sport (specifically Emily Bridges) have been vile and undeniably transphobic, others have been more balanced.

I've no idea what you've said about Lia Thomas, whether I'd describe you as transphobic would depend on how you expressed those concerns.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sport isn't the place for politics or societal campaigns, either left, right or centrist. Just enjoy the sport for what it is, don't complicate things and bring in anything that could be divisive and controversial. I'm convinced if organisations like the EDL, BLM, LGTBQ+, Britain First, basically all organisations that create disagreements no matter what their cause, just ceased to exist, the world would be a lot more peaceful than it is now, because no one one would have that initial thing to trigger them.

The world has become so saturated with people ramming different causes down our throats at every single event and on every single platform that there is no way to genuinely escape day to day life and blow off some steam by just having some simple fun at things like sport events or festival, EVERYTHING has to have an agenda these days and its just to taxing on the mind whether you realise it or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As per usual in these types of threads, those screeching for tolerance are actually displaying the most intolerance.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"Sport isn't the place for politics or societal campaigns, either left, right or centrist. Just enjoy the sport for what it is, don't complicate things and bring in anything that could be divisive and controversial. I'm convinced if organisations like the EDL, BLM, LGTBQ+, Britain First, basically all organisations that create disagreements no matter what their cause, just ceased to exist, the world would be a lot more peaceful than it is now, because no one one would have that initial thing to trigger them.

The world has become so saturated with people ramming different causes down our throats at every single event and on every single platform that there is no way to genuinely escape day to day life and blow off some steam by just having some simple fun at things like sport events or festival, EVERYTHING has to have an agenda these days and its just to taxing on the mind whether you realise it or not."

The fact you have grouped BLM and the LGBTQIA+ with the EDL and Britain First says everything

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

I think it was am attempting at humour. Albeit homophobic humour to tie up with their attempt to blame the trans community

How is a question homophobic?

Not your question, the statement you were questioning."

This is the problem with society. People like you bash those asking a legitinate question.

I was asking out of interest, not prejudice.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Sport isn't the place for politics or societal campaigns, either left, right or centrist. Just enjoy the sport for what it is, don't complicate things and bring in anything that could be divisive and controversial. I'm convinced if organisations like the EDL, BLM, LGTBQ+, Britain First, basically all organisations that create disagreements no matter what their cause, just ceased to exist, the world would be a lot more peaceful than it is now, because no one one would have that initial thing to trigger them.

The world has become so saturated with people ramming different causes down our throats at every single event and on every single platform that there is no way to genuinely escape day to day life and blow off some steam by just having some simple fun at things like sport events or festival, EVERYTHING has to have an agenda these days and its just to taxing on the mind whether you realise it or not."

When white cishet abled males stop ramming their ideology down our throats, maybe we might be in a position to consider this.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"As per usual in these types of threads, those screeching for tolerance are actually displaying the most intolerance. "

Oh hello DARVO

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Sport isn't the place for politics or societal campaigns, either left, right or centrist. Just enjoy the sport for what it is, don't complicate things and bring in anything that could be divisive and controversial. I'm convinced if organisations like the EDL, BLM, LGTBQ+, Britain First, basically all organisations that create disagreements no matter what their cause, just ceased to exist, the world would be a lot more peaceful than it is now, because no one one would have that initial thing to trigger them.

The world has become so saturated with people ramming different causes down our throats at every single event and on every single platform that there is no way to genuinely escape day to day life and blow off some steam by just having some simple fun at things like sport events or festival, EVERYTHING has to have an agenda these days and its just to taxing on the mind whether you realise it or not.

The fact you have grouped BLM and the LGBTQIA+ with the EDL and Britain First says everything"

Doesn't it just

I'm not seeing the common ground in the 4 examples cited

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cishet? DARVO?

Can we please talk in English as I can't follow what anyone is trying to get across?

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

I think it was am attempting at humour. Albeit homophobic humour to tie up with their attempt to blame the trans community

How is a question homophobic?

Not your question, the statement you were questioning.

This is the problem with society. People like you bash those asking a legitinate question.

I was asking out of interest, not prejudice."

Like I said we were talking about the statement you were questioning, NOT your question.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Cishet? DARVO?

Can we please talk in English as I can't follow what anyone is trying to get across?"

Google is your friend, other search engines are available

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"As per usual in these types of threads, those screeching for tolerance are actually displaying the most intolerance.

Oh hello DARVO "

Honestly I was expecting DARVO to start being blatant much sooner!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

The fact you have grouped BLM and the LGBTQIA+ with the EDL and Britain First says everything"

Re-read what I typed, I didn't group them together what so ever, I simply named a few groups/organisations that vary from one another to show that I don't have a specific agenda when saying it wouldn't be a bad idea if ALL of them ceased to exist. Because lets face it, groups of people have been banding together for 10's of thousands of years, all pushing different goals, ideals and outlooks on how the world should be, and its these groups that ultimately create the divide amongst us humans.

If humans just fucked off all of these labels, whether that be Muslims, Jews, Christians, all variations of LGBTQ+, left and right wing, so on and so forth, we wouldn't be in this degrading societal shit pot that we are in now.

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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago

Not all that North of North London


"Sport isn't the place for politics or societal campaigns, either left, right or centrist. Just enjoy the sport for what it is, don't complicate things and bring in anything that could be divisive and controversial. I'm convinced if organisations like the EDL, BLM, LGTBQ+, Britain First, basically all organisations that create disagreements no matter what their cause, just ceased to exist, the world would be a lot more peaceful than it is now, because no one one would have that initial thing to trigger them.

The world has become so saturated with people ramming different causes down our throats at every single event and on every single platform that there is no way to genuinely escape day to day life and blow off some steam by just having some simple fun at things like sport events or festival, EVERYTHING has to have an agenda these days and its just to taxing on the mind whether you realise it or not.

When white cishet abled males stop ramming their ideology down our throats, maybe we might be in a position to consider this."

Yes, I'd noticed that there is only one demographic saying sport shouldn't be political, abd it seems to be those least likely to be discriminated against based on their race, gender and sexuality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As per usual in these types of threads, those screeching for tolerance are actually displaying the most intolerance.

Oh hello DARVO "

Ooh, an internet buzzword - how trendy and cool!

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

What’s Bobby DAVRO got to do with all this?

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)


"As per usual in these types of threads, those screeching for tolerance are actually displaying the most intolerance.

Oh hello DARVO

Ooh, an internet buzzword - how trendy and cool! "

It is an Acronym, not a buzzword.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Sport isn't the place for politics or societal campaigns, either left, right or centrist. Just enjoy the sport for what it is, don't complicate things and bring in anything that could be divisive and controversial. I'm convinced if organisations like the EDL, BLM, LGTBQ+, Britain First, basically all organisations that create disagreements no matter what their cause, just ceased to exist, the world would be a lot more peaceful than it is now, because no one one would have that initial thing to trigger them.

The world has become so saturated with people ramming different causes down our throats at every single event and on every single platform that there is no way to genuinely escape day to day life and blow off some steam by just having some simple fun at things like sport events or festival, EVERYTHING has to have an agenda these days and its just to taxing on the mind whether you realise it or not.

When white cishet abled males stop ramming their ideology down our throats, maybe we might be in a position to consider this.

Yes, I'd noticed that there is only one demographic saying sport shouldn't be political, abd it seems to be those least likely to be discriminated against based on their race, gender and sexuality. "

Yes.

"Make it all about me again and it'll make the only people who matter - me me me - happy. Everyone else go shut up, you're giving me the sads"

No thanks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Cishet? DARVO?

Can we please talk in English as I can't follow what anyone is trying to get across?"

It's a deliberate ploy used by those who have nothing valid to say - ignore it.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham


"My question is, why do the shirts need a rainbow emblem in the first place?

Exactky, some people just want to play their sport without getting dragged into a political statement and culture war

Maybe they disagree with certain aspects of the LGBTQABC community like trans women competing in mens sports and decide to just not wear it

QABC??

I think it was am attempting at humour. Albeit homophobic humour to tie up with their attempt to blame the trans community

How is a question homophobic?

Not your question, the statement you were questioning.

This is the problem with society. People like you bash those asking a legitinate question.

I was asking out of interest, not prejudice."

I think you've taken offence at the wrong thing here! They were explaining what QABC was referring to. They weren't attacking you for asking what it meant.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester


"Keep politics out of sports. End of. It's a polarising subject. Professional sports are popular because they offer an "escape" from life's many issues.

Mixing the two never brings any good.

I have posted this before in it's own thread.

There are two:

Sexes: Men and Political

Sexualities: Straight and political

Genders: Cis and political

Races: White and political

Womens hair styles: Long and political

Religions: Christian and political

This isn't about politics, there are politics in everything, there is politics in NOT having things present.

Neutrality is siding with the oppressor. I'm glad that Australian sport is dragging its sorry arse out of the 19th century."

maybe in the next 25 years the entire country outside of a few key cities will drag its arse out of the gutter as well

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a company instructed staff to wear the rainbow emblem but staff declined, would that be homophobic? I don’t envisage a company compelling its’ staff to do so but for the sake of trying to work out where threshold is, it will do as an example.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

"As per usual in these types of threads, those screeching for tolerance are actually displaying the most intolerance.

Oh hello DARVO

Ooh, an internet buzzword - how trendy and cool! "

It is an Acronym, not a buzzword."

I don't give a shit what it's called, its usage is just pathetic elitism.

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By *laymateteeMan
over a year ago

Southampton

Simple,those who are in support should wear rainbow laces or armbands and those who are not shouldn't. Just because you don't support something doesn't mean you hate it .

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