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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

wouldn't bother me, may add protection to your property

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?"

If it at any point looks in through any windows then yes as it is invasion of privacy.

You can consult the police on the non emergency contact number and they can advise you further

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?

If it at any point looks in through any windows then yes as it is invasion of privacy.

You can consult the police on the non emergency contact number and they can advise you further "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?"

Yes.

But i'd be more worried about why they feel the need!

Are they just security concious?

Or have you seen a lot of lamps, seed trays and fertilizer being carried in off the removal truck?

If your electricity bill starts shooting through the roof - be worried!

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By *uncpl2015Couple
over a year ago

Bridgend Area


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?"

yes not allowed to look onto your property. if it does you can get them to move it..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"wouldn't bother me, may add protection to your property"

We have alarms , pri out back. My concern is we have a hot tub in the back, and well you know!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?"

Legally wise the cameras can only extend to the limit of their property and not cover yours or the road etc. There are grey areas but if you are not happy voice it to them and point out your concerns.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?

If it at any point looks in through any windows then yes as it is invasion of privacy.

You can consult the police on the non emergency contact number and they can advise you further "

Thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i have cctv monitoring my motorbike at the front of my home.

this was a last resort as the residents on the estate let their kids run wild and damage other peoples vehicles.

my camera is in a fixed position inside the building and only covers the area directly in use at the front of the property.

it cannot zoom or move just cover the area where my vehicle is parked.

it is legal as it does not intrude into anyone's property and is being used in a justified way.

my neighbours are not happy about it but they were given the option and chose to let their kids carry on causing damage.

now the camera clearly shows who,what,where and when. also it records when someone enters a zone (set up by me) and ignores anything outside this zone.

this lets my insurance company pursue anyone who causes damage. and even if it is not a motoring issue i still can involve the police and go after their household insurer to recover my losses.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"wouldn't bother me, may add protection to your property

We have alarms , pri out back. My concern is we have a hot tub in the back, and well you know!!!! "

quite right to be concerned

good luck

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"wouldn't bother me, may add protection to your property

We have alarms , pri out back. My concern is we have a hot tub in the back, and well you know!!!!

quite right to be concerned

Thank you sir xxxx

good luck"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"i have cctv monitoring my motorbike at the front of my home.

this was a last resort as the residents on the estate let their kids run wild and damage other peoples vehicles.

my camera is in a fixed position inside the building and only covers the area directly in use at the front of the property.

it cannot zoom or move just cover the area where my vehicle is parked.

it is legal as it does not intrude into anyone's property and is being used in a justified way.

my neighbours are not happy about it but they were given the option and chose to let their kids carry on causing damage.

now the camera clearly shows who,what,where and when. also it records when someone enters a zone (set up by me) and ignores anything outside this zone.

this lets my insurance company pursue anyone who causes damage. and even if it is not a motoring issue i still can involve the police and go after their household insurer to recover my losses.

"

Kids play out the front and back, but tend not to be a problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you can always invite them in for a getting to know you drink and a dip in the hottub.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cameras are not allowed to _iew your property or pavement/road where other public users can access.

I would speak to owners and ask to see monitor of camera, your property should automatically be blurred out when camera is moved onto it, if not, guy is actually breaking data protection.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?"

There has been a case go through the courts and that was no camera can film any part of your property... It was decided its an invation of privacy and could be classed as a sex offence if filming through windows... Hope this helps.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i have cctv monitoring my motorbike at the front of my home.

this was a last resort as the residents on the estate let their kids run wild and damage other peoples vehicles.

my camera is in a fixed position inside the building and only covers the area directly in use at the front of the property.

it cannot zoom or move just cover the area where my vehicle is parked.

it is legal as it does not intrude into anyone's property and is being used in a justified way.

my neighbours are not happy about it but they were given the option and chose to let their kids carry on causing damage.

now the camera clearly shows who,what,where and when. also it records when someone enters a zone (set up by me) and ignores anything outside this zone.

this lets my insurance company pursue anyone who causes damage. and even if it is not a motoring issue i still can involve the police and go after their household insurer to recover my losses.

Kids play out the front and back, but tend not to be a problem. "

well sadly for me they did £700 worth of damage.

when i approached the parents about it they were just as aggressive.

police said i need evidence for them to proceed so it was the only option available.

sad it had to come to that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"i have cctv monitoring my motorbike at the front of my home.

this was a last resort as the residents on the estate let their kids run wild and damage other peoples vehicles.

my camera is in a fixed position inside the building and only covers the area directly in use at the front of the property.

it cannot zoom or move just cover the area where my vehicle is parked.

it is legal as it does not intrude into anyone's property and is being used in a justified way.

my neighbours are not happy about it but they were given the option and chose to let their kids carry on causing damage.

now the camera clearly shows who,what,where and when. also it records when someone enters a zone (set up by me) and ignores anything outside this zone.

this lets my insurance company pursue anyone who causes damage. and even if it is not a motoring issue i still can involve the police and go after their household insurer to recover my losses.

Kids play out the front and back, but tend not to be a problem.

well sadly for me they did £700 worth of damage.

when i approached the parents about it they were just as aggressive.

police said i need evidence for them to proceed so it was the only option available.

sad it had to come to that."

Thats horrible,

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By *ollycouple71Couple
over a year ago

manchester

To protect yourself a sign must be put up saying there is a camera there and filming for any theft activity

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i have cctv monitoring my motorbike at the front of my home.

this was a last resort as the residents on the estate let their kids run wild and damage other peoples vehicles.

my camera is in a fixed position inside the building and only covers the area directly in use at the front of the property.

it cannot zoom or move just cover the area where my vehicle is parked.

it is legal as it does not intrude into anyone's property and is being used in a justified way.

my neighbours are not happy about it but they were given the option and chose to let their kids carry on causing damage.

now the camera clearly shows who,what,where and when. also it records when someone enters a zone (set up by me) and ignores anything outside this zone.

this lets my insurance company pursue anyone who causes damage. and even if it is not a motoring issue i still can involve the police and go after their household insurer to recover my losses.

Kids play out the front and back, but tend not to be a problem.

well sadly for me they did £700 worth of damage.

when i approached the parents about it they were just as aggressive.

police said i need evidence for them to proceed so it was the only option available.

sad it had to come to that.

Thats horrible, "

in the end they forced me to sell the bike because the kids kept on standing near it or riding their mountain bikes around it and up the pavement.

they use to kick a football against the fairings knowing i was watching them.

i went and got a cheaper bike but dont trust them one bit.

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area

Suitable and sufficient signage must be displayed on the property with CCTV installed

It cannot overlook your property

It cannot film any public space where people are going about their lawful business.

If they are recording any footage and storing it then to the letter of the law they should be registered with the Data Commissioners Office to regarding Data Protection issues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My nan's neighbour had CCTV that we were sure was watching her but it was set up in a tree in his back Garden literally pointing at her house.

Me and my dad got a bit tipsy on boxing day, knocked one of his Garden gnomes and put it in nan's kitchen window. He saw it on the CCTV and came storming round to get it, and then we made him move the camera.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had a shed broken into last year and some very valubale stuff taken the ploice are useless and do not want to really help.I live up a lane with no neighbours or street lights so that maybe made it a easy target but that does not mean you can go onto someones property and take whatever you like.

So i installed cctv myself which also has night vision which i leave recording 24hrs a day and it is surprising what activity there is in the middle of the night.Best money i have ever spent makes it a bit easier to sleep at night rather than constantly listening to see whos about,i also have signs up saying that the property is protected by cctv as well.One thing they do not know is i keep a baseball bat by my bed ready makesure anyone who trys it again will not get out without serious injury.

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull

As someone who has worked in the Security Industry, in both managerial and CCTV capacities, let me address some of the issues.

Firstly, lots of details can be sourced from the Information Commission website, which lists a whole lot of do's and don't, for both commercial and private use.

Right, CCTV coverage at your home is OK as long as certain guidelines are followed.

1. The camera(s) must _iew your own property and nowhere else. On most commercially bought systems, there are facilities to blank off parts of the screen images if for instance a camera covering a shared path or drive would encroach on your neighbour's property.

Additionally, cameras cannot _iew onto or over Public roads, footpaths and rights of way.

2. Signage to say why the cameras are in existence MUST be on display, with contact and name details of the people who are using it; generally these take the form of the Yellow and Black signs seen on buildings.

3. Check that your neighbours have not installed any sound recording facility; these do exist, but under specific licensing requirements and in most cases, any use such as this would be illegal.

4 Cameras should really only have a fixed _iewing "path"; if they are of a PTZ style (that is, Pan, Tilt and Zoom) their use in a suburban dwelling environment would be highly invasive.

5. Check with your local council to see if they have any regs particular to their area regarding CCTV installation and use.

6. Also, have a word with the local Police; some forces still have officers who specialise in Crime Prevention and their local expertise will be valuable.

7. If your neighbours run a business from their home, then that takes on a whole new set of regulations and licensing could come into effect too. You could check out the Security Industry Association's website too for more information.

8. Check out too any details relating to Data Protection Act - this covers home use CCTV, the recording and storage of images and when they can/cannot be used.

Hope this helps!

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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago

Hull


"I had a shed broken into last year and some very valubale stuff taken the ploice are useless and do not want to really help.I live up a lane with no neighbours or street lights so that maybe made it a easy target but that does not mean you can go onto someones property and take whatever you like.

So i installed cctv myself which also has night vision which i leave recording 24hrs a day and it is surprising what activity there is in the middle of the night.Best money i have ever spent makes it a bit easier to sleep at night rather than constantly listening to see whos about,i also have signs up saying that the property is protected by cctv as well.One thing they do not know is i keep a baseball bat by my bed ready makesure anyone who trys it again will not get out without serious injury."

Careful! To say that you have a baseball bat by the side of your bed etc etc, is tantamount to having an offensive weapon! If in the event of you using it in such a scenario, you'd have to prove that you used it "defensively" and not "aggressively".

For example, until a couple of years ago, it was considered OK for security personnel to use the large Maglite torches for their work, safe in the knowledge, they could use them to defend themselves if being attacked in the course of their work. That has changed!

In the heat of the moment, define what is a defensive move and what is an aggressive move. You can use enough force to defend yourself, but overstep that "line" and you could end up being charged yourself.

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By *ogistical NightmaresCouple
over a year ago

Manchester Area


"Careful! To say that you have a baseball bat by the side of your bed etc etc, is tantamount to having an offensive weapon! If in the event of you using it in such a scenario, you'd have to prove that you used it "defensively" and not "aggressively".

For example, until a couple of years ago, it was considered OK for security personnel to use the large Maglite torches for their work, safe in the knowledge, they could use them to defend themselves if being attacked in the course of their work. That has changed!

In the heat of the moment, define what is a defensive move and what is an aggressive move. You can use enough force to defend yourself, but overstep that "line" and you could end up being charged yourself."

Looking at the definition in law I fail to see how a baseball bat can be described as an offensive weapon. To fit that description it has to be made, designed or adapted to cause damage or physical injury. A baseball bat is an item of sporting equipment and where it is stored in the house bears no relevance.

If he picked it up and gave a pre-emptive strike to an intruder either coming towards him or refusing to leave as long as the force used was reasonable, justified and necessary and they were a person of reasonable firmness having cause to fear for their personal safety there is no case to answer.

Also a person is allowed to use reasonable force to effect the prevention of an indictable offence being committed.

The maglite debate rages on and on, yes I will agree that the standard 4 cell maglite was a handy piece of personal protective equipment to carry, have even seen police officers waving them around as an alternative to an asp. The law enforcement bods are now frowning at the wearing of steel toecap footwear nowadays in security roles, usually as a result of some beat plod not knowing how to accurately apply the law

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"The term 'offensive weapon' is defined as: "any article made or adapted for use to causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use"." CPS website.

That makes it clear it's not just about what the article is, but why it's being carried.

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


"I had a shed broken into last year and some very valubale stuff taken the ploice are useless and do not want to really help.I live up a lane with no neighbours or street lights so that maybe made it a easy target but that does not mean you can go onto someones property and take whatever you like.

So i installed cctv myself which also has night vision which i leave recording 24hrs a day and it is surprising what activity there is in the middle of the night.Best money i have ever spent makes it a bit easier to sleep at night rather than constantly listening to see whos about,i also have signs up saying that the property is protected by cctv as well.One thing they do not know is i keep a baseball bat by my bed ready makesure anyone who trys it again will not get out without serious injury.

Careful! To say that you have a baseball bat by the side of your bed etc etc, is tantamount to having an offensive weapon! If in the event of you using it in such a scenario, you'd have to prove that you used it "defensively" and not "aggressively".

For example, until a couple of years ago, it was considered OK for security personnel to use the large Maglite torches for their work, safe in the knowledge, they could use them to defend themselves if being attacked in the course of their work. That has changed!

In the heat of the moment, define what is a defensive move and what is an aggressive move. You can use enough force to defend yourself, but overstep that "line" and you could end up being charged yourself."

Likewise if you get stopped with a baseball bat in your car without a ball, or proof it is for sporting purposes. Then you are in doodoo

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


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Likewise if you get stopped with a baseball bat in your car without a ball, or proof it is for sporting purposes. Then you are in doodoo "

Almost as bad as having a Glock in your kitbag, even if you insist you didn't know it was there

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

I'd just twat 'em one or set femme on them

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By *arambarMan
over a year ago

swindon


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?"

Have you tried talking to them?

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

Talk to your neighbours? That'll never catch on.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?

Have you tried talking to them?"

Thats the plan gor tomorrow ehen he comes to see progress, just wanted to be able to state our concerns, not rant, know our facts first so to speak.

Thank you all for the infotmation, most hrlpful

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By *arambarMan
over a year ago

swindon


"Got new people moving in next door,.and they are having cctv installed, the cameras that pan round, do we have any say if we think it overlooks our property?

Have you tried talking to them?

Thats the plan gor tomorrow ehen he comes to see progress, just wanted to be able to state our concerns, not rant, know our facts first so to speak.

Thank you all for the infotmation, most hrlpful"

Good luck with it.

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