FabSwingers.com forum: Smoking in cars

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

On the school run this morning I saw loads of people smoking in cars with kids in the back.

The banning of smoking in general is a whole different issue.... But I think smoking in cars when kids are in the car should be banned.

And police shouldn't have to waste their time checking up on it. Smokers should police themselves and just not do it!!!!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I think it is a form of neglect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only done by selfish parents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Totally agree,should never smoke with children in car,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My friend told me this last week...

She picks her niece and nephew up from school a couple of times a week.

The niece who's 6 said auntie Jo you really shouldn't smoke in the car when were in it, she gave no reply. The child then said .... Auntie Jo, do you want me to die??

She doesn't do it now.

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By *oger ThatMan
over a year ago

essex

completely agree... i know its going a bit far but i also hate smokers in the High Streets. Constantly walking along with kids and having some scum bag smoking and blowing smoke is digusting... Maybe area's of high public activity should be banned!

I smoked for 15 years and gave up August 2011 but was always a considerate smoker (i think)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Makes me cringe, shows no respect for their children. And they wind window down thinking that makes a difference !!

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"My friend told me this last week...

She picks her niece and nephew up from school a couple of times a week.

The niece who's 6 said auntie Jo you really shouldn't smoke in the car when were in it, she gave no reply. The child then said .... Auntie Jo, do you want me to die??

She doesn't do it now."

wow, a powerful message sent

well done wee one x

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

Would never dream of smoking when I have kids in my car.

Wont smoke near non smokers either, even sat out side, I move away.

Think its awful people smoking with kids near them. And thats from a smoker with a child!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Makes me cringe, shows no respect for their children. And they wind window down thinking that makes a difference !!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a smoker i tottaly agree and dont smoke in the car or anywhere near my kids.

Heres one for you though. How many people get pissed up whilst your kids are soundly asleep upstairs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with the car comments. I'm a smoker and would never dream of doing that! however I personally think that the high street comment is taking the ban too far. I would never purposely blow smoke at anyone and the high street is in fresh air and I will only smoke near a butt bin if I'm out.

I know smoking kills and that it's a waste of money but it is my choice and as stupid as it sounds I enjoy a coffee outside a shop and a ciggy. why take that away from people?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"As a smoker i tottaly agree and dont smoke in the car or anywhere near my kids.

Heres one for you though. How many people get pissed up whilst your kids are soundly asleep upstairs? "

That should be banned too. Although I know it couldn't be policed.

Unless one person is sober...

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Have never been a smoker, that being so I have no idea how difficult it must be for long term smokers to quit the habit.

But I fully endorse the need for adults to stop smoking in their cars when they have children in them.

Surely that is only common sense for any parent or grandparent?

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By *els_BellsWoman
over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

Surely that is only common sense for any parent or grandparent?"

You'd think so wouldn't you.

Unfortunately common sense seems to pass some people by

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think we should just ban all alcohol and cigarettes and people having a life and people making own choices and lets just get given a rule book when born that if you don't stick too you're dead , done and dusted lets all be robots and do as we are told.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Agree re smoking in cars; its just so not nice when your all dressed up to go out and some lights a fag up (a not a gay person lol hehhhe)and you smell like an ash try lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think we should just ban all alcohol and cigarettes and people having a life and people making own choices and lets just get given a rule book when born that if you don't stick too you're dead , done and dusted lets all be robots and do as we are told. "

are we feeling all rebellious today moody ?

who would have thought that the revolution would start in shoeburyness !

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I am not anti smoking in the slightest. Each to their own but consider the child who have little/no choice in these circumstances

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a smoker i tottaly agree and dont smoke in the car or anywhere near my kids.

Heres one for you though. How many people get pissed up whilst your kids are soundly asleep upstairs? "
?????????.....hmmm and how many people fall asleep after taking medication while there kids are upstairs sound asleep !!!! don't see your point of comment ..you can't put kids to bed then tippy toe around ....we all have lives to live

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

are we feeling all rebellious today moody ?

who would have thought that the revolution would start in shoeburyness !"

The death last night of a work friend 15 minutes after I left her made me think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Although it isn't good to smoke near people who don't or shouldn't be near it, there are far worse fumes coming out of the exhaust pipes of the vehicles taking the kids to school, mostly those people within walking distance.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

are we feeling all rebellious today moody ?

who would have thought that the revolution would start in shoeburyness !

The death last night of a work friend 15 minutes after I left her made me think. "

always very sad, sorry to hear your news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

are we feeling all rebellious today moody ?

who would have thought that the revolution would start in shoeburyness !

The death last night of a work friend 15 minutes after I left her made me think. "

So sorry to hear that Moody.

And apologies if my flippancy caused you any offence x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My friend told me this last week...

She picks her niece and nephew up from school a couple of times a week.

The niece who's 6 said auntie Jo you really shouldn't smoke in the car when were in it, she gave no reply. The child then said .... Auntie Jo, do you want me to die??

She doesn't do it now.

wow, a powerful message sent

well done wee one x"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

are we feeling all rebellious today moody ?

who would have thought that the revolution would start in shoeburyness !

The death last night of a work friend 15 minutes after I left her made me think.

So sorry to hear that Moody.

And apologies if my flippancy caused you any offence x"

No offence taken at all xx

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By *oger ThatMan
over a year ago

essex

"I agree with the car comments. I'm a smoker and would never dream of doing that! however I personally think that the high street comment is taking the ban too far. I would never purposely blow smoke at anyone and the high street is in fresh air and I will only smoke near a butt bin if I'm out.

I know smoking kills and that it's a waste of money but it is my choice and as stupid as it sounds I enjoy a coffee outside a shop and a ciggy. why take that away from people? "

Sitting out side a coffe shop on a designated table would be fine as than people can choose to sit near or far away from you. And its the fresh air in the high street that smokers are ruining..

Another one that annoyed me, was smoking on the doorstep of Kiddies kingdom... I had to march kids through a tunnell of smokers all thinking they are ok standing outside.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is a law that smokers have to be so many metres away from entrances. Not always enforced.

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By *oger ThatMan
over a year ago

essex

didn't know this... i know offices make you move away as it looks horid, but wasn't aware there is a law...

I imagine those accused of doing it aren't the type that are going to appreciate my legal quote though!!! i can imagine a group of smokers giving me a load of abuse...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have googled it. 25 feet from entrances of public buildings.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not a smoker, but if someone started quoting the law at me, they would get a far more negative response than they would if they made a polite or respectful request for me to stop whatever it was I was doing that was offending them.

I find it distasteful that (in many minor situations) people use the law to back up their argument when really it is a matter of personal preference, taste and offence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know smoking kills and that it's a waste of money but it is my choice and as stupid as it sounds I enjoy a coffee outside a shop and a ciggy. why take that away from people?

Sitting out side a coffe shop on a designated table would be fine as than people can choose to sit near or far away from you. And its the fresh air in the high street that smokers are ruining..

Another one that annoyed me, was smoking on the doorstep of Kiddies kingdom... I had to march kids through a tunnell of smokers all thinking they are ok standing outside."

Perhaps have a word with the manger of kiddies kingdom. Maybe just a genuine oversight, and a shelter could be out the way of the entrance?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On the school run this morning I saw loads of people smoking in cars with kids in the back.

The banning of smoking in general is a whole different issue.... But I think smoking in cars when kids are in the car should be banned.

And police shouldn't have to waste their time checking up on it. Smokers should police themselves and just not do it!!!!

i agree

but

how far do you go, smoking in the house with kids in is also wrong in my eyes but how can you tell people not to smoking in their own property, be that a car or a house

I have also always said smoking when pregnant should be against the law

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Makes me cringe, shows no respect for their children. And they wind window down thinking that makes a difference !!"

these women have probably smoked all the way thro their pregnancy anyway so the kids bodys most likely already damaged

If you dont care enough about your child to stop smoking while your pregnant why would they care about their health in the back of a car

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the problem is you cant police bad parenting in any form. but we shouldnt have rules that cover every eventuality.

let darwin sort out the idiots from the rest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drive a wagon and there's nothing I hate more than when a smokers been in it , I use to smoke myself so I'd never report them because its banned in all our wagons, but the smokers should have more respect for the non-smokers , now this respect should apply to all these smokers who smoke with kids in the car, its just so wrong we know the damage that passive smoking causes so why risk your kids health.

My kids grandmother has lung cancer just diagnosed last month , its gone past the point where its treatable so now the kids have to watch her slowly die ......nice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yup I agree....

also agree there are too many cars(pollution)

people should travel together, reducing environmental risk too.

parents and children should cycle

the neighbours should knock on anyone's door they expect to be d*unk if they have children and call child services

*I dont know if utopia is all its cracked up to be..it cant be perfect, if it was lots would hate it

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"the problem is you cant police bad parenting in any form. but we shouldnt have rules that cover every eventuality.

let darwin sort out the idiots from the rest"

Darwin rocks!

I don't think smoking in general should be banned. I do believe in freedom, believe it or not!

I just think the kid's freedom should come first.

I agree smoking when pregnant should be banned. Some parents need parenting classes all round....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think it is a form of neglect"

would go further and say its potential abuse..

if someone cant desist from smoking when they're driving their loved ones on a school run, thats wrong..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't have put it any better myself Moodycow! well said that woman..

Billy

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Even a robot would have enough sense not to smoke in their car with children as passengers....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"completely agree... i know its going a bit far but i also hate smokers in the High Streets. Constantly walking along with kids and having some scum bag smoking and blowing smoke is digusting... Maybe area's of high public activity should be banned!

I smoked for 15 years and gave up August 2011 but was always a considerate smoker (i think)"

But now you're an inconsiderate non-smoker. Just because you've "seen the light" it doesn't excuse all the times you blew smoke wherever you wanted without care nor consideration of anyone else around you. Stop pontificating about what others do and be content that you are happy with how you are now. Smoking isn't illegal and many millions of pounds are raised through direct levy on it. If non-smokers are prepared to cough up (pun intended) a few extra pounds per week to make up the shortfall then hell yeah, let's ban smoking completley, but until then please, there's a world of fresh air outside, go and find another place to get your ration of it.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Even a robot would have enough sense not to smoke in their car with children as passengers...."

good thing with robots is you can over ride the selfishness and stupidity gene..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"As a smoker i tottaly agree and dont smoke in the car or anywhere near my kids.

Heres one for you though. How many people get pissed up whilst your kids are soundly asleep upstairs? ?????????.....hmmm and how many people fall asleep after taking medication while there kids are upstairs sound asleep !!!! don't see your point of comment ..you can't put kids to bed then tippy toe around ....we all have lives to live

My point was directed at the comments on how irresponsible it is to smoke around children and that some class it as neglect and i am making a point in asking how many people sit downstairs of an evening getting pissed whilst their kids are asleep upstairs. Simple question and point. Is it not the same thing, irresponsible and neglectful?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am an ex smoker, Never smoked in car any way! there r a lot of idiots about when u see advert and that and the Price of them

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Is it not the same thing, irresponsible and neglectful?

can see where you may be coming from to a degree, having someone potentially 'alert' etc in case of a a break in, fire or child becoming ill in the night is important..

and yes there is the setting an example point with a pissed parent etc..

but opening a can or a bottle does not give off toxic fumes..

smoking directly harms others in an enclosed space, childrens lungs are more susceptible to damage than adults..

thats the point being made, which you also accepted initially..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not arguing in the slightest its more a case of alerting people that drinking and becoming intoxicated whilst a child is in that persons care is just as harmful to children, albeit not directly to health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect

would go further and say its potential abuse..

if someone cant desist from smoking when they're driving their loved ones on a school run, thats wrong.."

Why not walk them to school? surely thats even more healthier! Or is it? with all the diesel/petrol fumes factory smoke etc etc mmm maybe not

Billy

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"I think it is a form of neglect

would go further and say its potential abuse..

if someone cant desist from smoking when they're driving their loved ones on a school run, thats wrong..

Why not walk them to school? surely thats even more healthier! Or is it? with all the diesel/petrol fumes factory smoke etc etc mmm maybe not

Billy"

if a factory was puking out fumes that were damaging to the community... action would be taken surely....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think it is a form of neglect

would go further and say its potential abuse..

if someone cant desist from smoking when they're driving their loved ones on a school run, thats wrong..

Why not walk them to school? surely thats even more healthier! Or is it? with all the diesel/petrol fumes factory smoke etc etc mmm maybe not

Billy"

why not stick to the subject of the thread instead of rambling on about what if..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect

would go further and say its potential abuse..

if someone cant desist from smoking when they're driving their loved ones on a school run, thats wrong..

Why not walk them to school? surely thats even more healthier! Or is it? with all the diesel/petrol fumes factory smoke etc etc mmm maybe not

Billy

why not stick to the subject of the thread instead of rambling on about what if..

its pretty much tied in with the same subject...exposing ourselves and children to harmful substances.

I'm not advocating smoking with children present in the room, or car...but there is a bigger picture...petrol/deisel fumes being one.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"I think it is a form of neglect

would go further and say its potential abuse..

if someone cant desist from smoking when they're driving their loved ones on a school run, thats wrong..

Why not walk them to school? surely thats even more healthier! Or is it? with all the diesel/petrol fumes factory smoke etc etc mmm maybe not

Billy

why not stick to the subject of the thread instead of rambling on about what if..

Sometimes it's a persons defence mechanism to justify their past or present actions in life....

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I think it is a form of neglect

would go further and say its potential abuse..

if someone cant desist from smoking when they're driving their loved ones on a school run, thats wrong..

Why not walk them to school? surely thats even more healthier! Or is it? with all the diesel/petrol fumes factory smoke etc etc mmm maybe not

Billy

why not stick to the subject of the thread instead of rambling on about what if..

its pretty much tied in with the same subject...exposing ourselves and children to harmful substances.

I'm not advocating smoking with children present in the room, or car...but there is a bigger picture...petrol/deisel fumes being one."

yes there is a risk with petrol and diesel fumes but its not as damaging as being sat in a closed smallish box sucking in cigarette smoke..

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By *iker BullMan
over a year ago

leeds

"As a smoker i tottaly agree and dont smoke in the car or anywhere near my kids.

Heres one for you though. How many people get pissed up whilst your kids are soundly asleep upstairs? "
Excellent point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok as an ex-smoker I am not going to jump on the everyone should quit smoking etc but I do fully agree with the poster in saying that smoking in cars or near children should be banned. Also smoking in town centres and areas of high public activity should be banned or at least policed by the smokers themselves.

The one incident that I was unfortunate to witness was a small child walking along with his mum in the middle of town when someone smoking had their cigarette by their side at the childs eye level and the poor kid walked straight into it. The mother seen it about to happen and pulled the poor girl away sharply so it only ended up brushing her coat but Jesus it could of took her eye out or left her with a horrible scar. (This is when I decided to quit!) Needless to say the fella got a good ear bashing from all who witnessed but still tried to blame the child claiming it was her fault not his.

Sorry for my rant but this is a subject that is really sore subject for me and some (not all) inconsiderate smokers in this world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I respect the right for people to make their own choices. If someone wants to smoke that has nothing to do with me. However I don't personally agree with situations where someone who is smoking inflicts second hand smoke on someone else. For example some pubs have a covered area for smokers and non smokers can choose to not go near it, but if people stand in the doorway of a building people are forced to walk through their smoke. I would say smoking in a car should only be allowed if noone else is in the car of the other occupants have given permission.

However, I think there are already too many unenforceable laws in this country so adding another one would achieve nothing. Expecting people to self-police is futile. In my opinion If smokers are not going to smoke in a car with children in because it is illegal they will not do it anyway out of consideration for their children. And if other people start getting involved then that us the first step towards vigilantism which never ends well.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I smoked for 15 years and gave up August 2011 but was always a considerate smoker (i think)"

Someone who smokes is a scumbag?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"completely agree... i know its going a bit far but i also hate smokers in the High Streets. Constantly walking along with kids and having some scum bag smoking and blowing smoke is

digusting... Maybe area's of high public activity should be banned!

I smoked for 15 years and gave up August 2011 but was always a considerate smoker (i think)"

i'd give up smoking if it wasnt for the fact im scared to death of becoming a reformed smoker

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By *ashful BazMan
over a year ago

poole dorset

"Only done by selfish parents

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont smoke in car with kids i remember my dad doing it, it was hideous. In the house i only smoke in my bedroom, which is therefore like a giant ashtray. Lucky i meet away not home really. Whats wrong with gettin pissed with kids upstairs sleeping? I dont drink but cant see problem unless its every nite like

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

its abuse i think

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By *fun.4.youMan
over a year ago

London

"I think it is a form of neglect"

Smoking itself is a form of ignorant neglect. Smokers are absolutely disgusting and just can't wait for serious health issues. Good luck with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect

Smoking itself is a form of ignorant neglect. Smokers are absolutely disgusting and just can't wait for serious health issues. Good luck with that."

Charming

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By *emmefataleWoman
over a year ago

dirtybigbadsgirlville

I smoked for 15 years and gave up August 2011 but was always a considerate smoker (i think)"
Running for prime minister anytime soon ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Smoking in cars is frankly distracting along with using phones and putting on makeup so none should be allowed.

Smoking in a car with children is a combination of being selfish, uncaring and is irresponsible as its setting pointer to kids its ok to smoke because mum/dad does it in the car.

If you can't take a journey without feeling the need to light up in the confines of a car then you have dependency issues that need to be addressed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being a parent is considered to be a 24 hour job, taking children in your car is part of that job so parents caught smoking in a car while children are present should be prosecuted for smoking at work!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect

Smoking itself is a form of ignorant neglect. Smokers are absolutely disgusting and just can't wait for serious health issues. Good luck with that."

I wonder how many sexy women you'd call disgusting if you found out they smoked. Even if they were in a club (which doesn't permit smoking so you wouldn't know unless you got close enough to smell their breath) and were lying on a playbed with their legs wide open inviting you to come and fuck them. Would you say, "Sorry, you're disgusting!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Being a parent is considered to be a 24 hour job, taking children in your car is part of that job so parents caught smoking in a car while children are present should be prosecuted for smoking at work!"

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By *stwoCouple
over a year ago

anywhere

I thought it was illegal to smoke in a car with children in it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Smoking in cars is frankly distracting along with using phones and putting on makeup so none should be allowed."

I find it quite relaxing actually, especially on long car journeys where I encounter hundreds of dickhead drivers (probably non-smokers) who think it is their sole mission in life to cut me up, slam their breaks on, weave in and out of traffic and generally be a complete wanker behind the wheel of a car. But with a few cigs I'm as calm as a calm thing on a calmer sea. Not with the kids in the car though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect

Smoking itself is a form of ignorant neglect. Smokers are absolutely disgusting and just can't wait for serious health issues. Good luck with that."

Yet your profile says "will meet smokers"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect

Smoking itself is a form of ignorant neglect. Smokers are absolutely disgusting and just can't wait for serious health issues. Good luck with that.

Yet your profile says "will meet smokers""

Q.E.D. - he doesn't want to miss out on someone sexy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree kids in cars to get to school is totally wrong... make them walk or cycle instead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect

Smoking itself is a form of ignorant neglect. Smokers are absolutely disgusting and just can't wait for serious health issues. Good luck with that.

Yet your profile says "will meet

smokers"

Q.E.D. - he doesn't want to miss out on

someone sexy. "

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over a year ago

"Whats wrong with gettin pissed with kids upstairs sleeping? I dont drink but cant see problem unless its every nite like"

It is little known that children can drink alcohol at home too. In the UK, children under 5 can legally drink alcohol at home under the supervision of a parent of guardian, or, if away from the home a child under 5 can be given alcohol under medical supervision or in an emergency (can't think what sort of emergency would neccessitate the requirement of alcohol for a child but maybe brandy to warm them if they are suffering from exposure perhaps?). The UK is the only country in the world to have a minimum age for drinking at home.

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over a year ago

Well i didnt let my kids drink alcohol til their16 as i think it damages developing brains.

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over a year ago

I'm a smoker, but would never smoke in the car with my child, or in my house for that matter.

Though personally, parents driving with kids in car whilst using their mobile phones is equally as bad to me, they aren't concentrating, could easily cause an accident resulting in death.

Everyone has the right to choose to smoke or not, drink or not, take drugs or not, they should however be responsible and considerate around children

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over a year ago

we agree but to be honest the damages it does is over stated compared to what cars are doing to your children!! yet no one complains about that!! in the last 50 years there has been a decrease in smoking esp last 20, yet ashma and other deseases have increased considerably its down to pollution not smoking, look im not saying smaoking doesnt do any harm, its just no one moans about the damage cars do,

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over a year ago

"Smoking in cars is frankly distracting along with using phones and putting on makeup so none should be allowed.

I'm a non smoker and I don't drive like a dickhead

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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago

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Child abuse as in they are abusing the kids health.

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over a year ago

"Smoking in cars is frankly distracting along with using phones and putting on makeup so none should be allowed.

They are probably trying to get passed you as you are concentrating on sparking up rather than actually on the road as you should be doing. Some people lack control though and struggle to drive a few miles down the road without falling to their addiction.

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over a year ago

"I think it is a form of neglect"

I don't know if I would call it neglect as such but it is a display of selfish behaviour.

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over a year ago

"On the school run this morning I saw loads of people smoking in cars with kids in the back.

The banning of smoking in general is a whole different issue.... But I think smoking in cars when kids are in the car should be banned.

And police shouldn't have to waste their time checking up on it. Smokers should police themselves and just not do it!!!!

As far as I knew they'd banned drivers from smoking at the wheel but they never actually enforced that law because it's just too petty in the eyes of the police. I've never smoked with my nephew in the car. I remember passively smoking a lot between my parents and I always felt sick. In fact I puked a lot in the car

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over a year ago

"On the school run this morning I saw loads of people smoking in cars with kids in the back.

The banning of smoking in general is a whole different issue.... But I think smoking in cars when kids are in the car should be banned.

And police shouldn't have to waste their time checking up on it. Smokers should police themselves and just not do it!!!!

People who drive their cars everywhere belching out exhaust fumes should be banned.

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over a year ago

"People who drive their cars everywhere belching out exhaust fumes should be banned."

I always liked the idea of everybody driving Dodgem Cars to work. Lates would be excused for the amount of pile ups everyday hahaha... shopping would have to be delivered by tram or helicopter

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over a year ago

Does anyone have any Rizlas?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Does anyone have any Rizlas?

I have some Zigzags!

(throws)

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Child abuse as in they are abusing the kids health."

Can't believe some people are defending it though....

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over a year ago

"People who drive their cars everywhere belching out exhaust fumes should be banned.

I always liked the idea of everybody driving Dodgem Cars to work. Lates would be excused for the amount of pile ups everyday hahaha... shopping would have to be delivered by tram or helicopter

Excellent!!

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over a year ago

Whoops I meant monorails, not trams, also cleaner energy anyhow

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over a year ago

"On the school run this morning I saw loads of people smoking in cars with kids in the back.

The banning of smoking in general is a whole different issue.... But I think smoking in cars when kids are in the car should be banned.

And police shouldn't have to waste their time checking up on it. Smokers should police themselves and just not do it!!!!

People who drive their cars everywhere belching out exhaust fumes should be banned."

What do you class as fumes and what do said fumes do to individuals opposed to fumes created by power stations.

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over a year ago

I never got a lift to school (awww!), though my dad did smoke in the car when we were in there (it was acceptable then). I never wanted a lift to school, as I would not have been able to have a fag on the way to school.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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I know smoking kills and that it's a waste of money but it is my choice and as stupid as it sounds I enjoy a coffee outside a shop and a ciggy. why take that away from people? "

As you point out yes its in fresh air and you can't control where the smoke goes or can you? Yes of course you can its easy don't smoke!

If you think of something a little less dangerous to your health but equally as disgusting would you fart in company or around a group of people? If the answer is no then why the fuck do you smoke where you know people are going to breath it in.

If your answer is yes then a suggest you seriously consider removing yourself from society and lock yourself away in a sealed room where you can smoke and break wind to your hearts content..

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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"On the school run this morning I saw loads of people smoking in cars with kids in the back.

The banning of smoking in general is a whole different issue.... But I think smoking in cars when kids are in the car should be banned.

And police shouldn't have to waste their time checking up on it. Smokers should police themselves and just not do it!!!!

You'll find that if you vehicle is provided by your employer then you can't smoke in it as its a work environment...

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over a year ago

"Child abuse as in they are abusing the kids health.

Can't believe some people are defending it though....

I didnt see anyone defending smoking essentially in childrens faces? what U are getting is a balanced _iew on smoking in general.Anti-smokers will have an issue with smokers (obviously)- just pointing out, that if people were absolutely wishing to not have their children in the way of any form of pollutants, the best option would be facemasks...like those commonly used in heavy industrial countries.I personally wouldnt be walking between heavily congested areas with lots of cars for prolonged periods on a daily basis without having some kind of protection.

I did a project on this during some study...the facts are that its not commonly attributed to causes of ill effects to lungs, and I suppose I can leave that up to anyone to decide why that is...as the only reason I've heard for cleaner emissions is to protect the ozone layer and nothing to do with peoples health.

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By *arambarMan
over a year ago

swindon

What do you class as fumes and what do said fumes do to individuals opposed to fumes created by power stations.

I'll answer this, if I may.

Exhaust fumes from motor vehicles are worse than fumes created by power stations for a number of reasons.

Car exhaust pipes are virtually always at ground level, whereas chimneys for power stations (and factories too) are built so that the fumes dissipate into the atmosphere. Of course those fumes don't disappear and they have a negative impact on us by affecting the quality of the stratosphere... but that's more of a long term problem.

In addition, power stations use numerous filters to reduce the harmful omissions as much as possible. There are exhaust pipe filters in cars but these aren't particularly effective.

However, one of the biggest problems concerns the fuel being used - or rather the size of the particles in the exhaust fumes of a car compared to the waste from a power station. Power stations are either coal or gas burning (ignoring nuclear stations as they are relatively clean). Both coal and gas produce relatively large particles when burnt. Diesel, conversely, produces much smaller ones. Breathing in these smaller particles is particularly bad for your health because they can get further inside your lungs than bigger particles. This makes treating any cancer present in the lungs much harder if it's embedded deeper in the lung.

Kitty Little did lots of research into why Britons were becoming increasingly victims of lung cancer. Her findings were interesting although not very popular. She tried to understand why lung cancer rates were higher in cities & towns than in rural areas, and why some places had almost no lung cancer cases until diesel engines were introduced despite the population having smoked for a long time beforehand.

Don't get me wrong... cigarettes are bad, mmmkay. But diesel engines are worse.

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over a year ago

Thanks _arambar: as I previously said, there is a level of misinformation..I left it open to decide why this was of course.

who would find blaming urban fuels for ill health effects not in their best interests?

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over a year ago

I smoke but i have never even smoked infront of my child.. I would rather starve myself of a cig than smoke in front of him let alone in the same car!!

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over a year ago

I've smoked since I was 9 anyway so it wouldn't have made much of a difference to me if my dad smoked in the car while I was in it. Mum has never smoked and my sister's neither, but my brother is a smoker. Seems the men in our family smoke and the women don't.

I enjoy smoking and I'll continue to smoke until I decide I don't want to, or until the govt ban the sale of tobacco. Until then I wish non-smokers would lay off the issue and get a life. There are many things in this world that we either like or don't like but we can't ban everything people don't like as we'd be banning everything completely.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

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Not sure if I read people telling adults not to smoke, just comments made about people choosing to smoke in a confined space with a child close and passive smoking.

What adults do to themselves, as ever their choice. A child deserves lungs full of fresh air, not someone elses exhaled fag reek.

As always, different opinions...

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over a year ago

I guess I'm just tired of non-smokers pontificating with their holier than thou attitudes when some of them think nothing of downing a bottle of wine whilst the kids are asleep upstairs.

They wanted clean pubs so they could enjoy them too, and now smoking in pubs has been banned where are they cos the pubs are emptier than ever. Not content with closing thousands of pubs up and down the country they now wangt to force smokers to only smoke in bits of clean air they don't intend using themselves.

A responsible parent doesn't need to be told not to smoke in a car full of kids so the kind of parents that should be targetted are the mindless idiots that do do it.

This whole smoking thing is really starting to boil my piss these days and I wish the govt would get the splinters out of its arse and either ban cigarettes completely or else leave smokers alone, and legislate to force others to leave smokers alone too.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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"I've smoked since I was 9 anyway so it wouldn't have made much of a difference to me if my dad smoked in the car while I was in it. Mum has never smoked and my sister's neither, but my brother is a smoker. Seems the men in our family smoke and the women don't.

Totally agree about plenty of things we all don't like but how many of those do you come into contact with on a daily basis and are as toxic?

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over a year ago

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"Child abuse as in they are abusing the kids health.

Can't believe some people are defending it though....

Of course one of the best ways to protect the ozone is to get rid of cows and sheep as the amount of harmful gasses (methane) produced is enormous and it's from both ends, then the ciggy smokers...the toxins in quality Cuban cigars are less harmful so you could all smoke them instead and generally the smell is more tolerable, oh and it would work wonders for the Cuban economy.

On the other hand in the movie Prometheus one of the crew when down on the planet had nicotine pumped into his helmet, so you could all do that and just smoke away in your own mini environment...

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

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And as you walk along a beech barefooted you wouldn't be digging up their ciggie butts! Which will never degrade!

You'd Just have to watch out for the doggie bio bombs from inconsiderate dog owners! Well from their beloved pets!

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over a year ago

Totally agree about plenty of things we all don't like but how many of those do you come into contact with on a daily basis and are as toxic?"

Well the obvious ones are car fumes and mobile raiowaves, but I'm sure there's many more. Cigarette smoke is singled out because you can see the smoke, smell it and watch the person actually doing it, whereas with cars you can't see the harmful emissions except for a little puff or two periodically from the rear of the car, and with radiowaves you can't see or smell them at all. It doesn't make them any less damaging though.

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over a year ago

"And as you walk along a beech barefooted you wouldn't be digging up their ciggie butts! Which will never degrade!

You'd Just have to watch out for the doggie bio bombs from inconsiderate dog owners! Well from their beloved pets!"

Thankfully, doggy poo dries out pretty quickly and soon dessicates. Sand hurries that process along by drawing fluid from the poo so all you end up kicking/trading on is petrified remnant.

Broken glass is a far bigger worry on the beaches than dog poo, which you can wash off, it's a little trickier to sew a toe back on though.

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over a year ago

"I guess I'm just tired of non-smokers pontificating with their holier than thou attitudes when some of them think nothing of downing a bottle of wine whilst the kids are asleep upstairs.

A responsible parent doesn't need to be told not to smoke in a car full of kids so the kind of parents that should be targetted are the mindless idiots that do do it.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan
over a year ago

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I've always wondered whether joggers are doing themselves more harm than good, when running alongside busy roads, packed with traffic.

Inhaling those toxic fumes deep inside their lungs, because they're breathing so hard

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over a year ago

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"I guess I'm just tired of non-smokers pontificating with their holier than thou attitudes when some of them think nothing of downing a bottle of wine whilst the kids are asleep upstairs.

A responsible parent doesn't need to be told not to smoke in a car full of kids so the kind of parents that should be targetted are the mindless idiots that do do it.

Just a matter of time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My grandson is now six and he has never seen me smoke, I'd never dream of sparking up in the car when he is in it. He doesn't know I smoke and I don't 'reek' of it when around him.

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over a year ago

Other people smoking cigarettes in their own private vehicles is nobody elses business but theirs.

What about overweight people eating chocolate, crisps etc and parents drinking alcohol to excess with children present? Does this set a good example to them? No. Of course it doesnt. But in their own private space its nobody elses business but theirs..

Too many people trying to rule the world these days instead of having a look at their own lives.

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over a year ago

Although apart from the odd sneaky one and my E-cig I have managed to virtually quit now I have smoked for many years.

I don't smoke in the house and haven't done for years and I never smoke in the car when my lad is in it. In fact I don't smoke near him at all really.

I hate it when you see people smoking in cars with kids - and they always have the window open about 1/2 inch so the car is full of smoke. Just wrong IMO.

And I have never stood outside the entrance to a shopping center and smoked. That just winds me up even as a smoker. Why would you think it was OK to make everyone coming out of a doorway walk through a cloud of your smoke???

Like people who used to smoke on aircraft. So damn selfish they couldn't manage 8 hours without a smoke so they filled a little sealed metal tube up with all their smoke and made the other 300 non smokers breathe it in. Even as a smoker it used to choke the hell out of me. Funny how they manage now they can't smoke

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over a year ago

"Not sure if I read people telling adults not to smoke, just comments made about people choosing to smoke in a confined space with a child close and passive smoking.

What adults do to themselves, as ever their choice. A child deserves lungs full of fresh air, not someone elses exhaled fag reek.

As always, different opinions...

The point I was making is that I think people shouldn't be allowed to smoke in cars when kids are present. I'm not suggesting smoking in general should be banned. Or car exhausts or whatever else.

Absolutely people should be free to smoke if they want. I don't think kids should be forced to breathe smoke. If you think that's ok..... Well.......

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Alcoholism is classed as a disease because some people get so addicted to it that they intake more than the average person. Nicotine is also an addictive substance and as such smoking should classed as a disease too as most smokers cannot go for long periods without having another cigarette (or addictive fix if you want to get technical).

My understanding of the law is that it is illegal to discriminate against someone who has a legitimate disease on the sole grounds that they have such a disease. On that basis, discriminating against smokers is breaking the law too as people 'suffering' from the addiction to nicotine cannot help themselves (and yes, I know some people give up smoking as well as some people give up booze, but not all addicts of either alcohol and/or nicotine can give up either of them).

There. That's smoking sorted. It's a disease, now fook off and stop discriminating against me under my European Human Right to have a disease and not suffer prejudice against me because of it.

(yes I'm aware that addiction to nicotine is not classed as a disease. But it should be.)

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By *enuimeuknsa69Man
over a year ago

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def dont smoke in cars but all this smoking laws are getting worse. years ago before the ban nobody said sod all to smoking in pubs at airports etc. there is more to life than all this.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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"Other people smoking cigarettes in their own private vehicles is nobody elses business but theirs.

Too many people trying to rule the world these days instead of having a look at their own lives.

So you happily advocate smoking with kids in the car!

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over a year ago

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"And as you walk along a beech barefooted you wouldn't be digging up their ciggie butts! Which will never degrade!

You'd Just have to watch out for the doggie bio bombs from inconsiderate dog owners! Well from their beloved pets!

Thankfully, doggy poo dries out pretty quickly and soon dessicates. Sand hurries that process along by drawing fluid from the poo so all you end up kicking/trading on is petrified remnant.

Broken glass is a far bigger worry on the beaches than dog poo, which you can wash off, it's a little trickier to sew a toe back on though."

Yes broken glass is a major issue but you'll find that dog fowling is being fined or the owners are as my local papers reported it which included the recent news of the girl from Manchester who is now blind through contact with some friendly mutts shit!

A toe might be able to be sown back on eye sight can't be brought back.

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By *kin BohnerMan
over a year ago

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Trying hard to think of one positive aspect of smoking but cant except the tax contribution smokers make... well done you, even if it does make you stink and ruin your health. As for smoking in cars with kids in the car I cant think of a more selfish act!

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"Other people smoking cigarettes in their own private vehicles is nobody elses business but theirs.

Too many people trying to rule the world these days instead of having a look at their own lives.

So you happily advocate smoking with kids in the car!"

Yes.

When i was a kid my dad smoked with my brothers and i in the car. None of us have health problems related to smoking or passive smoking, and we are a sporting family - especially when children.

I can say the same for my cousins and as im irish i have a lot of cousins.

Before anyone chirps up 'we were the lucky ones', there is too many of us to say its luck.

Where other people smoke in their own private space is nobodys business but theirs.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

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i would never smoke in my car,if there was a child in the car.

i usually solve this problem,by lighting up,after i have strapped the child on to the roof rack,out of harms way.

to be honest,as a smoker,i would rather smokers lived in total segregation,in an all smoking environment.

this way the non smokers would be happy,and the smokers would be happy.

also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

smoking can seriously damage your health

just saying

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over a year ago

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also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

smoking can seriously damage your health

just saying

lmao

trust you,the perfect answer.

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over a year ago

"Other people smoking cigarettes in their own private vehicles is nobody elses business but theirs.

Too many people trying to rule the world these days instead of having a look at their own lives.

So you happily advocate smoking with kids in the car!

Yes.

When i was a kid my dad smoked with my brothers and i in the car. None of us have health problems related to smoking or passive smoking, and we are a sporting family - especially when children.

I can say the same for my cousins and as im irish i have a lot of cousins.

Before anyone chirps up 'we were the lucky ones', there is too many of us to say its luck.

Where other people smoke in their own private space is nobodys business but theirs.

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over a year ago

"i would never smoke in my car,if there was a child in the car.

i usually solve this problem,by lighting up,after i have strapped the child on to the roof rack,out of harms way.

to be honest,as a smoker,i would rather smokers lived in total segregation,in an all smoking environment.

this way the non smokers would be happy,and the smokers would be happy.

also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

Many do just get yourself incarcerated and you can join them

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"i would never smoke in my car,if there was a child in the car.

i usually solve this problem,by lighting up,after i have strapped the child on to the roof rack,out of harms way.

to be honest,as a smoker,i would rather smokers lived in total segregation,in an all smoking environment.

this way the non smokers would be happy,and the smokers would be happy.

also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

Many do just get yourself incarcerated and you can join them

ffs that's a bit radical,i'm not going to get myself burnt,just so i can smoke.

besides,who would take the kids to school ???

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over a year ago

"i would never smoke in my car,if there was a child in the car.

i usually solve this problem,by lighting up,after i have strapped the child on to the roof rack,out of harms way.

to be honest,as a smoker,i would rather smokers lived in total segregation,in an all smoking environment.

this way the non smokers would be happy,and the smokers would be happy.

also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

Many do just get yourself incarcerated and you can join them

ffs that's a bit radical,i'm not going to get myself burnt,just so i can smoke.

besides,who would take the kids to school ???

You can smoke in the big house, no taking the kids to school to disturb you Let the wife do that) and plenty of sex if you want to or not.

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

"i would never smoke in my car,if there was a child in the car.

i usually solve this problem,by lighting up,after i have strapped the child on to the roof rack,out of harms way.

to be honest,as a smoker,i would rather smokers lived in total segregation,in an all smoking environment.

this way the non smokers would be happy,and the smokers would be happy.

also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

Many do just get yourself incarcerated and you can join them

ffs that's a bit radical,i'm not going to get myself burnt,just so i can smoke.

besides,who would take the kids to school ???

You can smoke in the big house, no taking the kids to school to disturb you Let the wife do that) and plenty of sex if you want to or not.

oops sorry,i thought you said incinerated.

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over a year ago

"i would never smoke in my car,if there was a child in the car.

i usually solve this problem,by lighting up,after i have strapped the child on to the roof rack,out of harms way.

to be honest,as a smoker,i would rather smokers lived in total segregation,in an all smoking environment.

this way the non smokers would be happy,and the smokers would be happy.

also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

Many do just get yourself incarcerated and you can join them

ffs that's a bit radical,i'm not going to get myself burnt,just so i can smoke.

besides,who would take the kids to school ???

You can smoke in the big house, no taking the kids to school to disturb you Let the wife do that) and plenty of sex if you want to or not.

oops sorry,i thought you said incinerated.

Douse a fag in petrol and you might be when you light it up

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over a year ago

Just had a wierd thought... if heaven exists and people wanna smoke in it, bearing in mind everyone is rather jolly and nobody ever gets ill, will the non-smoking spirits be good spirited enough to let the smoking spirits have a fag whenever they want?

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over a year ago

also i wouldn't have to listen to the constant bleating,pious,self righteous,condescending,barrage of pish,i am now subject to,from all the perfect,holier than thou,non smokers.

smoking can seriously damage your health

just saying

So can bungee jumping!

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

"Other people smoking cigarettes in their own private vehicles is nobody elses business but theirs.

Too many people trying to rule the world these days instead of having a look at their own lives.

So you happily advocate smoking with kids in the car!

Yes.

When i was a kid my dad smoked with my brothers and i in the car. None of us have health problems related to smoking or passive smoking, and we are a sporting family - especially when children.

I can say the same for my cousins and as im irish i have a lot of cousins.

Before anyone chirps up 'we were the lucky ones', there is too many of us to say its luck.

Where other people smoke in their own private space is nobodys business but theirs.

I actually think you've got a bit of a point here and that people who contract cancer are more susceptible to it.

The problem is that we don't know enough about cancer to screen for people most likely to get it (unless there's a strong history of it in the family) and until such time that doctors can say with a degree of clarity whether someone will be more likely than not to contract cancer we have to have a one shoe fits all policy and that is to refrain from smoking whilst children are about and certainly not in confined spaces.

You and your family were the lucky ones, but for some families that level of smoke would be fatal.

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By *john121Man
over a year ago

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"Just had a wierd thought... if heaven exists and people wanna smoke in it, bearing in mind everyone is rather jolly and nobody ever gets ill, will the non-smoking spirits be good spirited enough to let the smoking spirits have a fag whenever they want?

They may well but they will have to stand a distance outside of the Pearly gates....

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By *scariMan
over a year ago

Taunton

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Come on, some of you must have some spare Rizlas!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A ban on smoking in cars with children present is to be voted on. Plans to ban it from 1st October next year. £50 fine for those that smoke in a car with under 18's, or don't stop someone else smoking.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

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"A ban on smoking in cars with children present is to be voted on. Plans to ban it from 1st October next year. £50 fine for those that smoke in a car with under 18's, or don't stop someone else smoking.

I'm.happy for smoking in cars with under 18s present to be legislated against but I'm not in favour of making it my responsibility to stop someone else doing it.

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over a year ago

Few old threads being dug up today.....I suppose its better than starting a new one and having 58 threads on the same subject

Oh, and my tuppence worth is smoking around children, especially in closed spaces ought to be legislated against. Should be the responsibility of the driver though, not everyone else.

Folk should just have the brains to know better really....

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