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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

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By *yron69Man
over a year ago

Fareham

"They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

Workers want better pay and conditions. Why can’t fascists understand that..

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By *eneralKenobiMan
over a year ago

North Angus

Forum bomb…. Steer clear

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

Bore off

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tell us you read the Daily Mail without telling us you read the Daily Mail

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

facepalm

Every serious conversation on here becomes ridiculously polarised and a swamp of mass-quotes with increasingly little added.

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By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago

North Norfolk area

"They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

Workers want better pay and conditions. Why can’t fascists understand that.."

Everybody thinks they are entitled to better pay and conditions! Why can't even idiots understand that..

There you go, fixed it for you, its OK, no thanks necessary.

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By *ampWithABrainWoman
over a year ago

Glasgow

So you want us to go back to no weekends, no sick leave or sick pay, certainly no annual leave or maternity rights, no protection from arbitrary sackings, dangerous working conditions, no provision for food/drink at work or even toilets?

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

This isn’t going to be resolved anytime soon and they won’t get what they want

As soon as I saw that mick bloke Union spokesperson I was immediately taken back to Arthur Scargill ……

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"So you want us to go back to no weekends, no sick leave or sick pay, certainly no annual leave or maternity rights, no protection from arbitrary sackings, dangerous working conditions, no provision for food/drink at work or even toilets? "

AHH you mean working in the building trade.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

AHH you mean working in the building trade."

or Amazon / SPorts Direct warehouses

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

We wouldn't have weekends if it wasn't for unions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Great thread. I can think of some people from another thread that just closed that would love this OP.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Up the workers

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Unions are great, as long as they are controlled

Many unions have the ability to hold the country to ransom. That’s no good

But the people should unite and get their fair share. I’m in support of more unions

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury

"We wouldn't have weekends if it wasn't for unions. "

Or holiday pay, sick pay, maternity leave, etc.

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By *acey_RedWoman
over a year ago

Liverpool

"We wouldn't have weekends if it wasn't for unions.

Or holiday pay, sick pay, maternity leave, etc."

Exactly. It makes me so sad how demonised they are these days. The unions are on our side.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

Ok ,let's allow employers to walk all over their workers shall we and not enjoy all the benefits unions fought for to get us.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

I always advise anybody to join a Union if they work ...

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

"I always advise anybody to join a Union if they work ..."

I second this

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By *r-8-BBCMan
over a year ago

LONDON

"They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

Workers want better pay and conditions. Why can’t fascists understand that.."

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"I always advise anybody to join a Union if they work ..."

Definitely!

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By *r-8-BBCMan
over a year ago

LONDON

"Ok ,let's allow employers to walk all over their workers shall we and not enjoy all the benefits unions fought for to get us."

Agree, good point!

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By *RANDMRSJAECouple
over a year ago

chester

It depends on the industry you work in. Unions had their place years ago, about half of the employees where I work are in a union (I’m not due to the affiliation with the Labour Party)

No one has anything positive to say about the value they add anymore

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We need more of em

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unions are like socialism and democracy. Good ideas, they just don't work ...

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By *2000ManMan
over a year ago

Worthing

They are doing it at the wrong time. Talk about kicking the country when it's down. I think others will try this tact unfortunately. Although I do think those 'in charge' could be doing more.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a way for a bunch of old people to retain power and control over people (and pocket a good wage too).

I used to be really pro union until I had to deal with them lately. They’re really doing a disservice to their members.

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By *ustauseerTV/TS
over a year ago

Sedgemoor

Unions are good, they protect the individual and not the business.

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

"They are doing it at the wrong time. Talk about kicking the country when it's down. I think others will try this tact unfortunately. Although I do think those 'in charge' could be doing more."

I don't think there is a time where someone wouldn't say that it is the wrong time.

These people are fighting for their livelihoods, oth financially and for safety improvements. I am personally willing to be inconvenienced in the short term to help them

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

Workers want better pay and conditions. Why can’t fascists understand that.."

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

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By *urhamdebbiecdTV/TS
over a year ago

bishop auckland

We all admire the French for sticking up for their rights and taking no shit but as soon as it’s a Brit people slag them off and are led by the right wing media

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

Unions have largely outlived their usefulness. They are not fighting for basic rights any more.

The most powerful unions and union leaders are power hungry troublemakers. The likes of Len mcloskey want to be back seat drivers to a puppet labour PM.

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By *harpDressed ManMan
over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

"We all admire the French for sticking up for their rights and taking no shit but as soon as it’s a Brit people slag them off and are led by the right wing media "

There was a fair bit of anti-french feeling when they were on strike the other week.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

"We all admire the French for sticking up for their rights and taking no shit but as soon as it’s a Brit people slag them off and are led by the right wing media "

Haha so true. Seen so many people recently saying direct action should be taken but everyone in the UK won't stand together. They do and get slagged off, probably by them same people!

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

"We all admire the French for sticking up for their rights and taking no shit but as soon as it’s a Brit people slag them off and are led by the right wing media

Haha so true. Seen so many people recently saying direct action should be taken but everyone in the UK won't stand together. They do and get slagged off, probably by them same people! "

If the strikes were based on some basic worker’s / human rights that the general population felt strongly about, there would be more support.

As it is, it is a money grab, on behalf of a well paid workforce, at a time when the country is suffering massively financially. Hence, very little support, lots of anger.

Decades of regular tube strikes have also contributed to the lack of support. Different workers, but the crossover in sentiment is significant

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By *ustauseerTV/TS
over a year ago

Sedgemoor

"We all admire the French for sticking up for their rights and taking no shit but as soon as it’s a Brit people slag them off and are led by the right wing media

Haha so true. Seen so many people recently saying direct action should be taken but everyone in the UK won't stand together. They do and get slagged off, probably by them same people!

If the strikes were based on some basic worker’s / human rights that the general population felt strongly about, there would be more support.

As it is, it is a money grab, on behalf of a well paid workforce, at a time when the country is suffering massively financially. Hence, very little support, lots of anger.

Decades of regular tube strikes have also contributed to the lack of support. Different workers, but the crossover in sentiment is significant "

1.5% fails to match Inflation therefore it constitutes a loss of consumer buying power and it’s actually tantamount to a pay cut.

These individuals are fighting to ensure they are still able to do things like pay for their groceries. It’s not train drivers, it’s the rest of the support infrastructure so it’s guards at departure staff it’s signallers, it’s maintenance engineers, it’s cleaning crew.

Can you honestly say that you would not be unhappy if what you were given as a pay increase was actually a pay cut?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Like every human institution they are a mix of good and bad. I was grateful for Union support on one job, I was just out of my time and was offered a job at a new company at a lower rate due to my lack of experience. The union rightly said either I was the right person for the job and they paid me the going rate or I didn't have enough experience in which case offer the job to someone who did - they offered me the job at full pay.

At the same company though it was quickly obvious that any union matter that had an effect on the union rep was always always fought in his favour even where this was to the detriment of others/everyone else. There's nothing quite as dangerous to ongoing profitability of an organisation than a union rep with many years of service and a garunteed massive redundancy payout...

For every example of good the unions have done there is another example of behaviour that has led to the loss of whole industries. Jobs put on hold for hours/days because they refused to let a fitter do a bit of welding, costs driven through the roof to protect jobs etc etc. I've the years I have worked with a number of ex coal board engineers and one thing they all have in abundance is stories of whole shifts, weekend covers etc etc spent getting paid for absolutely nothing thanks to union support.

Anyone who believes politicians are a bunch of corrupt arseholes and union leaders are saints fighting for workers rights is a fool, union leader is just another word for politician, it is a person elected to represent others and as such they're no different to all other politicians. Some are good, some are bad some respect their office, some use it to feather their own nest. Most are a mix of all the above. The best environment is where neither management or unions are too powerful and there is mutual respect between the two. Where both sides recognise the presures and the purpose of each other and they work for compromise. Sadly, people don't like compromise and would rather fuck things up for everyone than give a little - and that goes for both sides of the table.

Basically humans = arseholes.

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By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago

North Norfolk area

Nice to see the RMT are as pleasant as ever!

My son is a Conductor, did his 3 hours on the picket line....as ordered by the union. He's not overly impressed with the RMT, he has to belong, has to pay to belong, and has to strike. As a Conductor, he gets commission on ticket sales on board.....not on strike days obviously!

A number of staff turned up to work, and were told by the RMT boss man that their cars would be covered, and filled, with sh*t....

Nice people!!

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By *izandpaulCouple
over a year ago

merseyside

"They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

They are different things to different people.

But I'm sure you're not really interested, just want to cause grief.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Unions have largely outlived their usefulness. They are not fighting for basic rights any more.

The most powerful unions and union leaders are power hungry troublemakers. The likes of Len mcloskey want to be back seat drivers to a puppet labour PM. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

Glad to know you're ignorant

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By *heNerdyFembyWoman
over a year ago

Eastbourne (she/they)

"They are just 'left-wing' activists.

****holes, lol.

Glad to know you're ignorant "

It all reminds me of the meme where you have three people at the table, The Englishman, The Rich man and the foreigner.

The Rich man has a plate FULL of dozens of cookies, the Englishman has a plate with a single cookie, the Foreigner has an empty plate.

The rich man is leaning over to the Englishman saying "Careful, that foreigner wants your cookie"

so much of peoples wrath is aimed at the wrong place. and normally at the victims in a situation

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