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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Tiverton school has now banned girls from wearing schools. Saying it is trying to create a gender neutral uniform. I'm confused as to why a "gender neutral" uniform is desirable or healthy? Dont we want kids to know there are different genders and to respect everyone regardless of gender?

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

You mean skirts I assume.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"You mean skirts I assume. "

Oops apologies... Yes skirts...

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By *rwhowhatwherewhyMan
over a year ago

Aylesbury


"You mean skirts I assume. "

I'm kind of intrigued as to what wearing a school would entail to be fair

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Tiverton school has now banned girls from wearing schools. Saying it is trying to create a gender neutral uniform. I'm confused as to why a "gender neutral" uniform is desirable or healthy? Dont we want kids to know there are different genders and to respect everyone regardless of gender? "

They did it because of the girls continually wearing skirts that were too short... not to be "inclusive"

Cal

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

It just so happens that the concept (and sometimes realisation) of gender neutrality is solving various problems in society - I wouldn't read too much into it tbh. --pt

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By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden


"Tiverton school has now banned girls from wearing schools. Saying it is trying to create a gender neutral uniform. I'm confused as to why a "gender neutral" uniform is desirable or healthy? Dont we want kids to know there are different genders and to respect everyone regardless of gender? "

Doesn't that depend on how many genders or shades thereof you acknowledge?

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

I’d have hated having to wear trousers at school!

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By *ormorantMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

Odd that skirts are banned in favour of trousers.. why..??

I’m sure kilt wearers would have something to say about masculinity of that item of clothing…

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wore one of my teachers down once, I shouted at me to go to the office.

I never wore the whole school though …

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'd have preferred trousers. (I bet they wouldn't have been lined wool jfc)

Why can't parents teach kids about gender?

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Tiverton school has now banned girls from wearing schools. Saying it is trying to create a gender neutral uniform. I'm confused as to why a "gender neutral" uniform is desirable or healthy? Dont we want kids to know there are different genders and to respect everyone regardless of gender?

They did it because of the girls continually wearing skirts that were too short... not to be "inclusive"

Cal"

That would make sense if it were true... But according to the article is not the reason..

"A secondary school has banned girls from wearing skirts in order to create a “more gender-neutral” uniform policy.

Parents of Tiverton High School (THS) students in Devon were informed on June 9 that the “modifications” to the school uniform would come into effect from September this year.

Pupils at the co-ed secondary school will have to ditch their skirts, which are currently permitted, and attend lessons wearing only trousers, with the exception of PE sessions.

Sammy Crook, the school's headmistress, said: “We will follow other secondary schools in implementing a more gender-neutral uniform policy.

“Parents/carers will be pleased to know that the majority of the uniform will remain as it is, with the exception that from September all students will be expected to wear trousers."

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By *ablo minibar123Woman
over a year ago

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"Tiverton school has now banned girls from wearing schools. Saying it is trying to create a gender neutral uniform. I'm confused as to why a "gender neutral" uniform is desirable or healthy? Dont we want kids to know there are different genders and to respect everyone regardless of gender? "

I think kids are intelligent enough to realise that there are different genders, skirts aren't needed to point that out.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I’d have hated having to wear trousers at school! "

I'd have loved it. No fucker could try and look at the colour of your knickers while you ascended the stairs. Gym skirts and gym knickers should also be banned, forthwith! Doing long jump in just gym knickers and a polo shirt is surely a form of abuse?! We used to get the boys doing cricket or softball in the outfield, gawping at us as we retrieved the damned things from our arse cracks and made inappropriate comments about our underwear, that poked out of the edges of the gym knickers. What on earth was wrong with proper shorts for girls?! Boys wore knee length shorts, FFS!

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By *rMs.NeekCouple
over a year ago

Worcestershire

Lots of other schools have done this. More often than not its because of issues with the length of skirts.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"It just so happens that the concept (and sometimes realisation) of gender neutrality is solving various problems in society - I wouldn't read too much into it tbh. --pt"

I don't know enough about it.. But what problems in society have been solved by making girls wear trousers in schools?

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By *inger_SnapWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

Much safer wearing trousers, no one can look up them, pull them up or put a hand up them. You don't have to worry about how you sit or having your legs on show.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"I’d have hated having to wear trousers at school!

I'd have loved it. No fucker could try and look at the colour of your knickers while you ascended the stairs. Gym skirts and gym knickers should also be banned, forthwith! Doing long jump in just gym knickers and a polo shirt is surely a form of abuse?! We used to get the boys doing cricket or softball in the outfield, gawping at us as we retrieved the damned things from our arse cracks and made inappropriate comments about our underwear, that poked out of the edges of the gym knickers. What on earth was wrong with proper shorts for girls?! Boys wore knee length shorts, FFS!"

If you forgot your PE kit you did PE in your vest and pants! Imagine that now!

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I think the idea is to have a one universal uniform or none at all - which does make a lot of sense. I expect that most shoolgirls could actually wear trousers now if they wanted to (I seem to remember this from my school) but were likely to be picked on if they did.

I think this represents progress, like gender neutral toilets - which all seem to work to me (ie the ones I've been in). Since schools opted out, they can do these things per school now. I'd be happy seeing it become widespread though, even law.

Or like I say, remove the rule of uniforms completely. --pt

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By *hortarseWoman
over a year ago

Norfolk

Why can't the children choose what they what to wear. I forgot Children don't have a choice

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"It just so happens that the concept (and sometimes realisation) of gender neutrality is solving various problems in society - I wouldn't read too much into it tbh. --pt

I don't know enough about it.. But what problems in society have been solved by making girls wear trousers in schools? "

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/1315398

---The above thread has been running too (Sexy school uniform ban) --pt

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"It just so happens that the concept (and sometimes realisation) of gender neutrality is solving various problems in society - I wouldn't read too much into it tbh. --pt

I don't know enough about it.. But what problems in society have been solved by making girls wear trousers in schools?

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/1315398

---The above thread has been running too (Sexy school uniform ban) --pt"

I saw that but isn't that about stopping sex shops from selling school uniform as a sexy uniform.? Not really about a desire for gender neutrality?

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Tiverton school has now banned girls from wearing schools. Saying it is trying to create a gender neutral uniform. I'm confused as to why a "gender neutral" uniform is desirable or healthy? Dont we want kids to know there are different genders and to respect everyone regardless of gender?

They did it because of the girls continually wearing skirts that were too short... not to be "inclusive"

Cal

That would make sense if it were true... But according to the article is not the reason..

"A secondary school has banned girls from wearing skirts in order to create a “more gender-neutral” uniform policy.

Parents of Tiverton High School (THS) students in Devon were informed on June 9 that the “modifications” to the school uniform would come into effect from September this year.

Pupils at the co-ed secondary school will have to ditch their skirts, which are currently permitted, and attend lessons wearing only trousers, with the exception of PE sessions.

Sammy Crook, the school's headmistress, said: “We will follow other secondary schools in implementing a more gender-neutral uniform policy.

“Parents/carers will be pleased to know that the majority of the uniform will remain as it is, with the exception that from September all students will be expected to wear trousers.""

The poster mentioning skirt length as a primary reason was absolutely correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Tiverton school has now banned girls from wearing schools. Saying it is trying to create a gender neutral uniform. I'm confused as to why a "gender neutral" uniform is desirable or healthy? Dont we want kids to know there are different genders and to respect everyone regardless of gender? "

I think gender neutral would be best to just allow boys and girls to wear whatever parts of the uniform they’re comfortable with. Although from your tweet I don’t think that’s happening to be fair. Because clothes are not gendered.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Much safer wearing trousers, no one can look up them, pull them up or put a hand up them. You don't have to worry about how you sit or having your legs on show."

Trousers can't fly up in your face with a giant gust of breeze on your first day at a new school as a teenager

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wil they let all children wear shorts in the summer? I've never understood why secondary schools don't let boys wear shorts but the girls can wear skirts when it's hot.

Hopefully they don't ban them in every school, my daughter wears a skirt through choice because she hates trousers. I'd have loved the option to wear trousers at school but we weren't allowed.

Pxx

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone. "

Yes there definitely should.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"The poster mentioning skirt length as a primary reason was absolutely correct."

--Really? So the OP is reading things that possibly isn't even there? This happens all the times these days. Honestly you can't be too careful, you have to double-check everything. --pt

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone. "

Well that would be an interesting twist.. "In an effort to make our uniform gender neutral all pupils from September will be required to wear a skirt"

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone.

Yes there definitely should. "

---Which of course includes boys btw --pt

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone.

Yes there definitely should.

---Which of course includes boys btw --pt"

Of course

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

I'd love to be able to wear a skirt. Trousers is so hot in the summer.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land


"I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone.

Yes there definitely should.

---Which of course includes boys btw --pt"

That is why I said everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone.

Well that would be an interesting twist.. "In an effort to make our uniform gender neutral all pupils from September will be required to wear a skirt" "

Or just "All students have the option of wearing a skirt"

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I don't see why it's that big a deal really

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By *nabelle21Woman
over a year ago

B38

I believe there should be options let the kids wear what they want as long as it's in keeping with the uniform.

I don't think they should take the option of skirts away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wil they let all children wear shorts in the summer? I've never understood why secondary schools don't let boys wear shorts but the girls can wear skirts when it's hot.

Hopefully they don't ban them in every school, my daughter wears a skirt through choice because she hates trousers. I'd have loved the option to wear trousers at school but we weren't allowed.

Pxx "

Professional? I worked in a school and we (male members of staff) weren’t allowed to wear shorts either because the head said it wasn’t professional enough.

Ah well. Much prefer the charity sector anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wil they let all children wear shorts in the summer? I've never understood why secondary schools don't let boys wear shorts but the girls can wear skirts when it's hot.

Hopefully they don't ban them in every school, my daughter wears a skirt through choice because she hates trousers. I'd have loved the option to wear trousers at school but we weren't allowed.

Pxx

Professional? I worked in a school and we (male members of staff) weren’t allowed to wear shorts either because the head said it wasn’t professional enough.

Ah well. Much prefer the charity sector anyway "

And I say this in the way that schools imitate professional settings for students and informally prepare students for work.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Wil they let all children wear shorts in the summer? I've never understood why secondary schools don't let boys wear shorts but the girls can wear skirts when it's hot.

Hopefully they don't ban them in every school, my daughter wears a skirt through choice because she hates trousers. I'd have loved the option to wear trousers at school but we weren't allowed.

Pxx "

Conversely, when I was at school, we HAD to wear skirts that never were longer than knee length and ankle socks, unless the school defined it as "particularly cold", then a limited array of tights could be worn. We used to walk about in snowy conditions in ankle socks and a skirt, while the boys could have long johns under their trousers!

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By *orbidden eastMan
over a year ago

london dodging electric scooters

I don’t think there should be a big thing. Simply wear the polo top with the school badge or crest. And everybody wears trousers save the hassle

Simple as that

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

I’m torn on this subject. At high school girls had to wear knee length skirts (we had to kneel & the skirts had to touch the floor) I fought so hard for the right to wear trousers (I had exceptionally heavy periods that meant I had to carry & regularly use a spare change of clothes) they caved the year after I left.

I believe that people should be able to wear what they want but I do worry about the very short length of some skirts I see on the drive to work. Mainly because their are so many pervs & weirdos about who sexualise girls.

I honestly don’t know what the answer is.

J x

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"It just so happens that the concept (and sometimes realisation) of gender neutrality is solving various problems in society - I wouldn't read too much into it tbh. --pt

I don't know enough about it.. But what problems in society have been solved by making girls wear trousers in schools?

https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/1315398

---The above thread has been running too (Sexy school uniform ban) --pt

I saw that but isn't that about stopping sex shops from selling school uniform as a sexy uniform.? Not really about a desire for gender neutrality? "

---You asked about it solving problems in society though. I think you need to connect all these dots, as you are really focusing on an 'intent' (ie "desire") for gender neutrality, perhaps as if it's merely a 'politically correct' thing and nothing else? The thing is, gender neutrality tends to be there as a solution to a problem, so there are very good reasons for turning to it at times. --pt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just let the boys wear skirts too.

Problem solved

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"I don’t think there should be a big thing. Simply wear the polo top with the school badge or crest. And everybody wears trousers save the hassle

Simple as that"

Why? My youngest hates wearing trousers. She feels more comfortable in a skirt.

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By *pursChick aka ShortieWoman
over a year ago

On a mooch

So ban one thing so all genders feel the same. They should be given the choice of wearing either skirts or trousers.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"I'd love to be able to wear a skirt. Trousers is so hot in the summer. "

Go for it. A person who presented as male at our workplace variably wore traditionally "male" trousers and shirt one day and traditionally "female" clothes and makeup on other days. They wore what they chose from the full spectrum of clothing options (within a professional choice).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wil they let all children wear shorts in the summer? I've never understood why secondary schools don't let boys wear shorts but the girls can wear skirts when it's hot.

Hopefully they don't ban them in every school, my daughter wears a skirt through choice because she hates trousers. I'd have loved the option to wear trousers at school but we weren't allowed.

Pxx

Professional? I worked in a school and we (male members of staff) weren’t allowed to wear shorts either because the head said it wasn’t professional enough.

Ah well. Much prefer the charity sector anyway

And I say this in the way that schools imitate professional settings for students and informally prepare students for work. "
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You say this but I was having this very conversation last week. Secondary school is suppose to prepare you for work but most kids don't go straight to work from school (especially nowadays) college, some sixth form and uni are all a lot more relaxed than school and where kids tend to end up next. So it's really pointless, just let them be kids.

My secondary school was really strict, I went to college after year 11, dyed my hair bright red and went in every day dressed in jeans/combats and timberlands and t-shirts. Didn't affect my learning or education

Pxx

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By *aliceWoman
over a year ago

Birmingham

This has very little to do with attempts at inclusivity. The school has simplified its uniform choices as part of a move to a new supplier to make uniform more affordable, and has got rid of skirts to curtail grievances and problems caused by abuse of skirt length.

Of course, that's not as attractive a headline to stir up some controversy as implying gender bendering skullduggery.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone.

Yes there definitely should.

---Which of course includes boys btw --pt

Of course "

---If a group of boys go to school in skirts as a stunt we'll soon have better gender neutrality sure enough! At the end of the day it's a school, and as another poster said it's supposed to (at least to some degree) prepare kids for the professional world. --p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wil they let all children wear shorts in the summer? I've never understood why secondary schools don't let boys wear shorts but the girls can wear skirts when it's hot.

Hopefully they don't ban them in every school, my daughter wears a skirt through choice because she hates trousers. I'd have loved the option to wear trousers at school but we weren't allowed.

Pxx

Conversely, when I was at school, we HAD to wear skirts that never were longer than knee length and ankle socks, unless the school defined it as "particularly cold", then a limited array of tights could be worn. We used to walk about in snowy conditions in ankle socks and a skirt, while the boys could have long johns under their trousers!"

Schools are weird! My daughter's schools aren't allowed to wear ankle socks, has to be knee high socks or tights.

Pxx

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

It is 2022, it doesnt really surprise me, why change when it was ok before?

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By *ockey64Man
over a year ago

Gloucester

Mamby Pamby society. Just get in with it. Oh yes I will get castigated. But Fucks sake. Wear what you dare. Or what you want. School is for education. It’s not prison. Have you seen what some of the so called educators wear??

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Wil they let all children wear shorts in the summer? I've never understood why secondary schools don't let boys wear shorts but the girls can wear skirts when it's hot.

Hopefully they don't ban them in every school, my daughter wears a skirt through choice because she hates trousers. I'd have loved the option to wear trousers at school but we weren't allowed.

Pxx

Conversely, when I was at school, we HAD to wear skirts that never were longer than knee length and ankle socks, unless the school defined it as "particularly cold", then a limited array of tights could be worn. We used to walk about in snowy conditions in ankle socks and a skirt, while the boys could have long johns under their trousers!

Schools are weird! My daughter's schools aren't allowed to wear ankle socks, has to be knee high socks or tights.

Pxx"

In the sixth form at the same school, nothing in denim was permitted. Nothing ripped, torn or with patches on. No "strappy" tops - this was defined as anything with less than 3 inches of fabric over the shoulder area (and yes, it got measured if you pushed the envelope!) No hats, caps or similar (religious head coverings exempt). No open toed shoes/sandals or flip flops. There were loads of rules.

I discovered a wonderful blouse that passed the "strappy top" test. It had hook and eye fastenings and just enough cleavage to distract Mr KC in a Physics class

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"It is 2022, it doesnt really surprise me, why change when it was ok before?"

--I think that it's precisely because it's 2022 that one groups/person's opinion is somehow now the rule. Changes like this happen in society continually.. many things that become outdated are just accepted till they eventually aren't. Then we simply adjust to a change. And that usually takes us no time at all. --pt

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"Wil they let all children wear shorts in the summer? I've never understood why secondary schools don't let boys wear shorts but the girls can wear skirts when it's hot.

Hopefully they don't ban them in every school, my daughter wears a skirt through choice because she hates trousers. I'd have loved the option to wear trousers at school but we weren't allowed.

Pxx

Conversely, when I was at school, we HAD to wear skirts that never were longer than knee length and ankle socks, unless the school defined it as "particularly cold", then a limited array of tights could be worn. We used to walk about in snowy conditions in ankle socks and a skirt, while the boys could have long johns under their trousers!"

Whereas lined wool skirts in Australian summer. It looked lovely. It was diabolically hot.

(On days over 35 I wore my breathable cotton juniors uniform to save myself heat exhaustion. Lol)

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Mamby Pamby society. Just get in with it. Oh yes I will get castigated. But Fucks sake. Wear what you dare. Or what you want. School is for education. It’s not prison. Have you seen what some of the so called educators wear?? "

---I'm not castigating you, but you say;

"Wear what you dare. Or what you want. School is for education. It’s not prison."

If school is for education (and btw there are laws about attendance now that you or I were never a subject to), then it has to have rules because it can't have anarchy. One of the rules is to wear a uniform! It was never 'mamby pamby' to wear a uniform. The only question now is what that uniform should entail. --pt

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"It is 2022, it doesnt really surprise me, why change when it was ok before?

--I think that it's precisely because it's 2022 that one groups/person's opinion is somehow now the rule. Changes like this happen in society continually.. many things that become outdated are just accepted till they eventually aren't. Then we simply adjust to a change. And that usually takes us no time at all. --pt"
You are right there as it is usually such groups who want the change, not others. I wonder how popular it would of been if they first would of asked the public about it.

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By *enny PR9TV/TS
over a year ago

Southport


"It is 2022, it doesnt really surprise me, why change when it was ok before?"

Next thing they will be going after the kids who identify as being Furies, and removing their litter trays from the lavatories.

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

Again it's about perspective I suppose. The length of a girls skirt and sexualisation. If she's in a school mainly sat with her legs under a desk with other children of their own age, I guess I struggle how that is so terrible.

Surely we should be more concerned about what they wear out in public outside of school hours? If we are worried about their safety?

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"It is 2022, it doesnt really surprise me, why change when it was ok before?

--I think that it's precisely because it's 2022 that one groups/person's opinion is somehow now the rule. Changes like this happen in society continually.. many things that become outdated are just accepted till they eventually aren't. Then we simply adjust to a change. And that usually takes us no time at all. --pt

You are right there as it is usually such groups who want the change, not others. I wonder how popular it would of been if they first would of asked the public about it."

---It would depend how it was presented wouldn't it? And probably which 'public' you had in mind! --pt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mamby Pamby society. Just get in with it. Oh yes I will get castigated. But Fucks sake. Wear what you dare. Or what you want. School is for education. It’s not prison. Have you seen what some of the so called educators wear?? "

One problem with allowing children to wear anything they want, is "label envy". Richer kids will wear the better labelled, latest stuff - poorer kids not so much, and this can lead to class divisions.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham


"I'd love to be able to wear a skirt. Trousers is so hot in the summer.

Go for it. A person who presented as male at our workplace variably wore traditionally "male" trousers and shirt one day and traditionally "female" clothes and makeup on other days. They wore what they chose from the full spectrum of clothing options (within a professional choice)."

I'm not that woke, I would prefer to be in men's clothes. I don't think I could even get away with silicon valley chinos and shirt here.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Mamby Pamby society. Just get in with it. Oh yes I will get castigated. But Fucks sake. Wear what you dare. Or what you want. School is for education. It’s not prison. Have you seen what some of the so called educators wear??

One problem with allowing children to wear anything they want, is "label envy". Richer kids will wear the better labelled, latest stuff - poorer kids not so much, and this can lead to class divisions. "

I agree. I think there should be a school uniform but I definitely don’t agree with banning skirts.

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By *hagTonightMan
over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"It is 2022, it doesnt really surprise me, why change when it was ok before?

--I think that it's precisely because it's 2022 that one groups/person's opinion is somehow now the rule. Changes like this happen in society continually.. many things that become outdated are just accepted till they eventually aren't. Then we simply adjust to a change. And that usually takes us no time at all. --pt

You are right there as it is usually such groups who want the change, not others. I wonder how popular it would of been if they first would of asked the public about it.

---It would depend how it was presented wouldn't it? And probably which 'public' you had in mind! --pt"
Yes it would be. I meant the general population there.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"Mamby Pamby society. Just get in with it. Oh yes I will get castigated. But Fucks sake. Wear what you dare. Or what you want. School is for education. It’s not prison. Have you seen what some of the so called educators wear??

One problem with allowing children to wear anything they want, is "label envy". Richer kids will wear the better labelled, latest stuff - poorer kids not so much, and this can lead to class divisions. "

I'd say that's pretty good preparation for life. Unless you have exactly identical clothes and shoes for every student the wealthier students will always have better clothes. It's not about class it's about money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I would have hated this, I rarely wear trousers as an adult. Because the seams rub and irritate. Seams in the wrong place can result in me not being to walk. In school type trousers I'd have to wear padding in my underwear.

Not saying taunts from boys when you're in a skirt isn't bad. But it's not going to stop of the pinging of your bra etc. Kids are smart they always find ways around things.

I believe there should be an option of skirts and trousers for everyone. "

I think taking the choice away from those who would like to wear a skirt isn't progress. If the girls are wearing their skirts too short that is a discipline measure for the school and parents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Mamby Pamby society. Just get in with it. Oh yes I will get castigated. But Fucks sake. Wear what you dare. Or what you want. School is for education. It’s not prison. Have you seen what some of the so called educators wear??

One problem with allowing children to wear anything they want, is "label envy". Richer kids will wear the better labelled, latest stuff - poorer kids not so much, and this can lead to class divisions. "

How does banning skirts help avoid that though?

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By *oonloverWoman
over a year ago

bognor regis

Our local school has a skirt or a trousers uniform, skirt and blouse or trousers shirt and tie - kids can wear either as long as they don't mix the 2

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"I believe there should be options let the kids wear what they want as long as it's in keeping with the uniform.

I don't think they should take the option of skirts away"

Trouble is you get girls like my niece, who has her school skirt hem a couple of inches below her bum. The arguments my sister has with her is unreal, but the school allow her to carry on wearing it like that.

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town

Interesting responses. I still don't understand why a yone would desire gender neutrality in what kids wear to school. As for learning and preparation for life, where they go to work or university and suddenly girls are back optionally wearing skirts or trousers or whatever they like. And boys... Similar. Just don't see what problem they are trying to solve. And furthermore... If ensuring girls don't wear skirts at school for the 7 hours a day they are in school ...what happens when they get out of school and choose to put a skirt on.? Is all that good gender neutrality being undone...?

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By *ackformore100 OP   Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Interesting responses. I still don't understand why a yone would desire gender neutrality in what kids wear to school. As for learning and preparation for life, where they go to work or university and suddenly girls are back optionally wearing skirts or trousers or whatever they like. And boys... Similar. Just don't see what problem they are trying to solve. And furthermore... If ensuring girls don't wear skirts at school for the 7 hours a day they are in school ...what happens when they get out of school and choose to put a skirt on.? Is all that good gender neutrality being undone...? "

Excuse the awful typing... A yone should be "anyone"

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

It’s a shame when we have to decide that gender neutral clothing is a thing. They’re wearing a uniform thats meant to make everyone equal, no designer clothing for one and Primark for another. So they’ve decided that trousers for everyone would simplify it even further, well I can see the logic in that idea.

It’s a nothing story and papers like the Mail would love to make it a ‘woke, snowflake, liberal’ etc…thing out of it. But the reality is, it’s just clothes and just a small part of your life is spent at School, so it’ll hardly damage you for psychologically for the rest of your life.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff


"Interesting responses. I still don't understand why a yone would desire gender neutrality in what kids wear to school. As for learning and preparation for life, where they go to work or university and suddenly girls are back optionally wearing skirts or trousers or whatever they like. And boys... Similar. Just don't see what problem they are trying to solve. And furthermore... If ensuring girls don't wear skirts at school for the 7 hours a day they are in school ...what happens when they get out of school and choose to put a skirt on.? Is all that good gender neutrality being undone...?

Excuse the awful typing... A yone should be "anyone""

---The problem is that you are still thinking about it from a rather paranoid and perhaps even slightly cynical position. Can't you see that there IS no 'gender neutrality goodness' to be 'undone' when girls wear their own dresses etc out of school? It's simply them being themselves out of school.

This adaptation of a dress code is ONLY about the practical solution to various issues within a school system that enforces a uniform on children anyway! That's all it's about. It's not about hammering home any generalised 'PC' principle at all, nor is it an illogical attack on people's daily freedoms.

All this scare-talk of 'banning dresses' etc is so silly, as most clothes are not allowed in schools anyway! This is simply a more modern dress code for our modern times; one that solves the problems of miniature skirt sizes, telegraphed gender distinctions that are needless in a school setting (which was simply a side-effect of the skirt/trouser traditions), and boys wanting to wear skirts too! Why face these issues in schools when we actually don't need to if we stick with the trouser?

And (some) guys, don't worry - girls can look sexy in their trousers too.

What are people so afraid of with these things? Fear turns the mind into political putty and will be the undoing of us all I think. --pt

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

I think it's a great move and common sense.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"The poster mentioning skirt length as a primary reason was absolutely correct.

--Really? So the OP is reading things that possibly isn't even there? This happens all the times these days. Honestly you can't be too careful, you have to double-check everything. --pt"

The News Papers were leading with the Gender Neutral headlines, the OP didn't make it up. It is however the truth that the decision was made to combat the continual rule breaking over skirt length. Below is a statement from the school:

"By moving to 'trousers only' we have particularly responded to the 'trend' for girls in the school to abuse the current policy and wear approved skirts shorter than they should, in and out of school. The wearing of skirts shorter than knee length, which is our current policy, has attracted many complaints from the public and from visitors to the school.

It has proven time consuming and frustrating for staff to enforce in-school and is beyond our control out of school. We wrote to parents in November about our concerns and expectations around skirts, and in January we held a series of assemblies with all year groups about skirts, advising them that unless the uniform policy was properly observed we would move to an all trousers policy.

Our current policy has allowed girls to wear trousers, which many do already, and boys have been able to wear skirts if they want to. Trousers also standardise how our students dress, so that we and they can focus on what we consider to be our primary objective: learning."

Cal

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"The poster mentioning skirt length as a primary reason was absolutely correct.

--Really? So the OP is reading things that possibly isn't even there? This happens all the times these days. Honestly you can't be too careful, you have to double-check everything. --pt

The News Papers were leading with the Gender Neutral headlines, the OP didn't make it up. It is however the truth that the decision was made to combat the continual rule breaking over skirt length. Below is a statement from the school:

"By moving to 'trousers only' we have particularly responded to the 'trend' for girls in the school to abuse the current policy and wear approved skirts shorter than they should, in and out of school. The wearing of skirts shorter than knee length, which is our current policy, has attracted many complaints from the public and from visitors to the school.

It has proven time consuming and frustrating for staff to enforce in-school and is beyond our control out of school. We wrote to parents in November about our concerns and expectations around skirts, and in January we held a series of assemblies with all year groups about skirts, advising them that unless the uniform policy was properly observed we would move to an all trousers policy.

Our current policy has allowed girls to wear trousers, which many do already, and boys have been able to wear skirts if they want to. Trousers also standardise how our students dress, so that we and they can focus on what we consider to be our primary objective: learning."

Cal"

Ah. So it's a case of "this is why we can't have nice things". Lol

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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

does this have any bearing in the debate

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/its-not-sexy-students-demand-24194255

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I’d have hated having to wear trousers at school!

I'd have loved it. No fucker could try and look at the colour of your knickers while you ascended the stairs. Gym skirts and gym knickers should also be banned, forthwith! Doing long jump in just gym knickers and a polo shirt is surely a form of abuse?! We used to get the boys doing cricket or softball in the outfield, gawping at us as we retrieved the damned things from our arse cracks and made inappropriate comments about our underwear, that poked out of the edges of the gym knickers. What on earth was wrong with proper shorts for girls?! Boys wore knee length shorts, FFS!

If you forgot your PE kit you did PE in your vest and pants! Imagine that now!"

Yes. The lads in y-fronts. built character.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sticking my tuppence in, nobody has said that trousers have to worn by the child over their legs. (Though I suspect it was taken as a given). I'm sure someone would get creative with a pair of trousers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The poster mentioning skirt length as a primary reason was absolutely correct.

--Really? So the OP is reading things that possibly isn't even there? This happens all the times these days. Honestly you can't be too careful, you have to double-check everything. --pt

The News Papers were leading with the Gender Neutral headlines, the OP didn't make it up. It is however the truth that the decision was made to combat the continual rule breaking over skirt length. Below is a statement from the school:

"By moving to 'trousers only' we have particularly responded to the 'trend' for girls in the school to abuse the current policy and wear approved skirts shorter than they should, in and out of school. The wearing of skirts shorter than knee length, which is our current policy, has attracted many complaints from the public and from visitors to the school.

It has proven time consuming and frustrating for staff to enforce in-school and is beyond our control out of school. We wrote to parents in November about our concerns and expectations around skirts, and in January we held a series of assemblies with all year groups about skirts, advising them that unless the uniform policy was properly observed we would move to an all trousers policy.

Our current policy has allowed girls to wear trousers, which many do already, and boys have been able to wear skirts if they want to. Trousers also standardise how our students dress, so that we and they can focus on what we consider to be our primary objective: learning."

Cal"

Brilliant! Should be plain black tshirt, plain black trousers for all students. No expensive blazers or jumpers with the school logo.

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By *annaBeStrongMan
over a year ago

wokingham

Young girls pushing the boundary of how short is short probably helped this decision along. Whether it’s in the article or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe there should be options let the kids wear what they want as long as it's in keeping with the uniform.

I don't think they should take the option of skirts away

Trouble is you get girls like my niece, who has her school skirt hem a couple of inches below her bum. The arguments my sister has with her is unreal, but the school allow her to carry on wearing it like that."

That's your sister's discipline issue, and the school's. I don't see why other kids shouldn't be allowed to wear skirts because your niece can't be appropriate?

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"I believe there should be options let the kids wear what they want as long as it's in keeping with the uniform.

I don't think they should take the option of skirts away

Trouble is you get girls like my niece, who has her school skirt hem a couple of inches below her bum. The arguments my sister has with her is unreal, but the school allow her to carry on wearing it like that.

That's your sister's discipline issue, and the school's. I don't see why other kids shouldn't be allowed to wear skirts because your niece can't be appropriate? "

Exactly! There’s no discipline left in schools these days. And at home half the time! I got told to pull my skirt back down over my knee or change skirts I bloody did it! My kids try and wear a short skirt to school or the school tells me they’ve broke the rules they get told or grounded. Be responsible for your own kids ffs. It’s not society’s job.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I believe there should be options let the kids wear what they want as long as it's in keeping with the uniform.

I don't think they should take the option of skirts away

Trouble is you get girls like my niece, who has her school skirt hem a couple of inches below her bum. The arguments my sister has with her is unreal, but the school allow her to carry on wearing it like that.

That's your sister's discipline issue, and the school's. I don't see why other kids shouldn't be allowed to wear skirts because your niece can't be appropriate?

Exactly! There’s no discipline left in schools these days. And at home half the time! I got told to pull my skirt back down over my knee or change skirts I bloody did it! My kids try and wear a short skirt to school or the school tells me they’ve broke the rules they get told or grounded. Be responsible for your own kids ffs. It’s not society’s job. "

I've read what the school have said and it all sounds reasonable but at my daughters school they have no issue with short skirts at all. Because they will come down like a ton of bricks if someone doesn't adhere to the uniform. And the parents back the school up. My daughter wears trousers but I'd be quite angry if the school tried to get rid of skirts.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)


"The poster mentioning skirt length as a primary reason was absolutely correct.

--Really? So the OP is reading things that possibly isn't even there? This happens all the times these days. Honestly you can't be too careful, you have to double-check everything. --pt

The News Papers were leading with the Gender Neutral headlines, the OP didn't make it up. It is however the truth that the decision was made to combat the continual rule breaking over skirt length. Below is a statement from the school:

"By moving to 'trousers only' we have particularly responded to the 'trend' for girls in the school to abuse the current policy and wear approved skirts shorter than they should, in and out of school. The wearing of skirts shorter than knee length, which is our current policy, has attracted many complaints from the public and from visitors to the school.

It has proven time consuming and frustrating for staff to enforce in-school and is beyond our control out of school. We wrote to parents in November about our concerns and expectations around skirts, and in January we held a series of assemblies with all year groups about skirts, advising them that unless the uniform policy was properly observed we would move to an all trousers policy.

Our current policy has allowed girls to wear trousers, which many do already, and boys have been able to wear skirts if they want to. Trousers also standardise how our students dress, so that we and they can focus on what we consider to be our primary objective: learning."

Cal

Brilliant! Should be plain black tshirt, plain black trousers for all students. No expensive blazers or jumpers with the school logo. "

Yup. Get a transfer to put on the clothing. Keep costs down.

Very few places in the real world force you to buy expensive clothing you can only use in that one place

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"I believe there should be options let the kids wear what they want as long as it's in keeping with the uniform.

I don't think they should take the option of skirts away

Trouble is you get girls like my niece, who has her school skirt hem a couple of inches below her bum. The arguments my sister has with her is unreal, but the school allow her to carry on wearing it like that.

That's your sister's discipline issue, and the school's. I don't see why other kids shouldn't be allowed to wear skirts because your niece can't be appropriate? "

My sisters argument is that the school, is not enforcing thier own uniform stadards that they have put in place.

So schools not enforcing uniforns standards, pupils ignoring uniform standards, something has to give.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You mean skirts I assume.

I'm kind of intrigued as to what wearing a school would entail to be fair"

Strong legs and back I’d imagine.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have two children at a very good grammar school. One is actually gender neutral and doesn’t mind what other people wear, they just want to be able to wear what makes them feel good about themselves. So having a “choice” to wear trousers is a good thing for them.

All the girls had a “sit in” last year in the Car park to protest the upskirting problem. The trouser only rule would remove this growing criminal problem.

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