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"Does being ghosted count?" Ah good old Ammanford, is it still boring as fuck?  | |||
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"anybody ever seen a ghost,," Nope. | |||
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"anybody ever seen a ghost,," No, because they don't exist. I have seen goats though. They're very real and quite lovely. | |||
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"Stayed in a flat briefly in which one of the bedrooms felt like a fridge. No one could stay in that room for long. A feeling of dread and utter sadness would come over you every time night or day. " Sounds like A Travellodge | |||
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"Stayed in a flat briefly in which one of the bedrooms felt like a fridge. No one could stay in that room for long. A feeling of dread and utter sadness would come over you every time night or day. " I stayed in a house like that. But I left the psycho ex, and things got better. | |||
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"Never seen but had a hell of a time with spiritual goings off when i bought this house, from being pushed, held down, things thrown, moved allsorts. Everything is calm now though "Whoa that would scare the life out of me. | |||
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"Never seen but had a hell of a time with spiritual goings off when i bought this house, from being pushed, held down, things thrown, moved allsorts. Everything is calm now though
Whoa that would scare the life out of me."I was a firm non believer but bought the house derelict and completely renovated it i had a hell of a time, my partner refused to come in the house after being held down, my brickie left site, i had so many experts over to try and subdue it. I have candles lit all the time and just tell it to 'fuck off' if i sense anything and ignore it. The house was known locally as the 'murder house' many years ago '60's a guy pushed his wife down the stairs and she left in a ambulance he hung himself, no one lived here until i bought it from auction | |||
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"i take you didnt know history of the house,,," Yeh as kids it was known as th murder house but didnt know the why untill the old timer in the village told me what had happened. | |||
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"all the people that have said they have seen a ghost,, they all cant be liars surley" But they can be mistaken, wrong, insane or any of a number of things. Ghosts, spirits etc simply do not exist. | |||
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"Yes. I’ve seen things I believe to have been ghosts or spirits of people.
I’m one of them weirdos. "I wouldn't say weirdos. Just fucked up minds | |||
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"It depends what we mean by ghost. Do I think that dead people walk about for hundreds of years after they die? No I do believe that for a short period after you die you're able to somehow be present with people and have had several experiences that bear that out I don't believe that the people who claim to be mediums actually are talking to dead people either. " I want to believe in ghost but if they was real we would have proper evidence by now. Plus why are they always dressed in old clothes? Tou never hear of a ghost wearing a football kit or Jean's and Gucci top. | |||
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"It depends what we mean by ghost. Do I think that dead people walk about for hundreds of years after they die? No I do believe that for a short period after you die you're able to somehow be present with people and have had several experiences that bear that out I don't believe that the people who claim to be mediums actually are talking to dead people either. I want to believe in ghost but if they was real we would have proper evidence by now. Plus why are they always dressed in old clothes? Tou never hear of a ghost wearing a football kit or Jean's and Gucci top." The ones I've seen have been people who've recently died but I haven't found out until after I've seen them. They were dressed as I knew them in life | |||
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"Never seen but had a hell of a time with spiritual goings off when i bought this house, from being pushed, held down, things thrown, moved allsorts. Everything is calm now though
Whoa that would scare the life out of me.
I was a firm non believer but bought the house derelict and completely renovated it i had a hell of a time, my partner refused to come in the house after being held down, my brickie left site, i had so many experts over to try and subdue it. I have candles lit all the time and just tell it to 'fuck off' if i sense anything and ignore it.
The house was known locally as the 'murder house' many years ago '60's a guy pushed his wife down the stairs and she left in a ambulance he hung himself, no one lived here until i bought it from auction "Interesting. We stayed in a house in Wales. I wouldn't go upstairs alone, Mr N had to sit with me while I had a bath . Our daughter was thrilled that a cat laid on her bed each night (there wasn't a cat) | |||
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"It depends what we mean by ghost. Do I think that dead people walk about for hundreds of years after they die? No I do believe that for a short period after you die you're able to somehow be present with people and have had several experiences that bear that out I don't believe that the people who claim to be mediums actually are talking to dead people either. I want to believe in ghost but if they was real we would have proper evidence by now. Plus why are they always dressed in old clothes? Tou never hear of a ghost wearing a football kit or Jean's and Gucci top. The ones I've seen have been people who've recently died but I haven't found out until after I've seen them. They were dressed as I knew them in life " Oh wow. So you had a real conversation with them and later on found out they had died? | |||
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"Yes, me and mate saw someone walk out of the living room when living in Camberwell. It was just us two, although we were having a “smoke” at the time. It wasn’t a scary experience, just bloody odd" "Withnail and I" meets Supper's ready"" | |||
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"It depends what we mean by ghost. Do I think that dead people walk about for hundreds of years after they die? No I do believe that for a short period after you die you're able to somehow be present with people and have had several experiences that bear that out I don't believe that the people who claim to be mediums actually are talking to dead people either. I want to believe in ghost but if they was real we would have proper evidence by now. Plus why are they always dressed in old clothes? Tou never hear of a ghost wearing a football kit or Jean's and Gucci top. The ones I've seen have been people who've recently died but I haven't found out until after I've seen them. They were dressed as I knew them in life Oh wow. So you had a real conversation with them and later on found out they had died? " No I didn't speak to them One was a woman I hardly knew I saw standing outside a shop, I recognised her by a particular coat and headscarf she wore. When I got home I told my mum I'd seen her and she said she'd died. Another was a cleaner at work | |||
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"It depends what we mean by ghost. Do I think that dead people walk about for hundreds of years after they die? No I do believe that for a short period after you die you're able to somehow be present with people and have had several experiences that bear that out I don't believe that the people who claim to be mediums actually are talking to dead people either. I want to believe in ghost but if they was real we would have proper evidence by now. Plus why are they always dressed in old clothes? Tou never hear of a ghost wearing a football kit or Jean's and Gucci top. The ones I've seen have been people who've recently died but I haven't found out until after I've seen them. They were dressed as I knew them in life Oh wow. So you had a real conversation with them and later on found out they had died? No I didn't speak to them One was a woman I hardly knew I saw standing outside a shop, I recognised her by a particular coat and headscarf she wore. When I got home I told my mum I'd seen her and she said she'd died. Another was a cleaner at work " That gave me chills up my spine. Did it freak you out? I spoke to a friend that died in my dreams but it felt so real | |||
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"Never seen but had a hell of a time with spiritual goings off when i bought this house, from being pushed, held down, things thrown, moved allsorts. Everything is calm now though
Whoa that would scare the life out of me.
I was a firm non believer but bought the house derelict and completely renovated it i had a hell of a time, my partner refused to come in the house after being held down, my brickie left site, i had so many experts over to try and subdue it. I have candles lit all the time and just tell it to 'fuck off' if i sense anything and ignore it.
The house was known locally as the 'murder house' many years ago '60's a guy pushed his wife down the stairs and she left in a ambulance he hung himself, no one lived here until i bought it from auction
Interesting.
We stayed in a house in Wales. I wouldn't go upstairs alone, Mr N had to sit with me while I had a bath . Our daughter was thrilled that a cat laid on her bed each night (there wasn't a cat) "My 6 year old niece kept saying she didnt like her bedroom the man in the corner, he just stares she wont stay in her room now she stays in another room | |||
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"It depends what we mean by ghost. Do I think that dead people walk about for hundreds of years after they die? No I do believe that for a short period after you die you're able to somehow be present with people and have had several experiences that bear that out I don't believe that the people who claim to be mediums actually are talking to dead people either. I want to believe in ghost but if they was real we would have proper evidence by now. Plus why are they always dressed in old clothes? Tou never hear of a ghost wearing a football kit or Jean's and Gucci top. The ones I've seen have been people who've recently died but I haven't found out until after I've seen them. They were dressed as I knew them in life Oh wow. So you had a real conversation with them and later on found out they had died? No I didn't speak to them One was a woman I hardly knew I saw standing outside a shop, I recognised her by a particular coat and headscarf she wore. When I got home I told my mum I'd seen her and she said she'd died. Another was a cleaner at work That gave me chills up my spine. Did it freak you out? I spoke to a friend that died in my dreams but it felt so real " No it didn't freak me out because I didn't know they were dead. I'm not claiming they were sentient or capable of communicating with me although the cleaner did wave. In fact I make no claims in connection with my experiences at all. I think it's quite common to speak with people who've died in dreams, that's probably our minds giving us comfort | |||
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"Never seen but had a hell of a time with spiritual goings off when i bought this house, from being pushed, held down, things thrown, moved allsorts. Everything is calm now though
Whoa that would scare the life out of me.
I was a firm non believer but bought the house derelict and completely renovated it i had a hell of a time, my partner refused to come in the house after being held down, my brickie left site, i had so many experts over to try and subdue it. I have candles lit all the time and just tell it to 'fuck off' if i sense anything and ignore it.
The house was known locally as the 'murder house' many years ago '60's a guy pushed his wife down the stairs and she left in a ambulance he hung himself, no one lived here until i bought it from auction
Interesting.
We stayed in a house in Wales. I wouldn't go upstairs alone, Mr N had to sit with me while I had a bath . Our daughter was thrilled that a cat laid on her bed each night (there wasn't a cat)
My 6 year old niece kept saying she didnt like her bedroom the man in the corner, he just stares she wont stay in her room now she stays in another room"I find it endlessly fascinating | |||
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"It depends what we mean by ghost. Do I think that dead people walk about for hundreds of years after they die? No I do believe that for a short period after you die you're able to somehow be present with people and have had several experiences that bear that out I don't believe that the people who claim to be mediums actually are talking to dead people either. I want to believe in ghost but if they was real we would have proper evidence by now. Plus why are they always dressed in old clothes? Tou never hear of a ghost wearing a football kit or Jean's and Gucci top. The ones I've seen have been people who've recently died but I haven't found out until after I've seen them. They were dressed as I knew them in life Oh wow. So you had a real conversation with them and later on found out they had died? No I didn't speak to them One was a woman I hardly knew I saw standing outside a shop, I recognised her by a particular coat and headscarf she wore. When I got home I told my mum I'd seen her and she said she'd died. Another was a cleaner at work That gave me chills up my spine. Did it freak you out? I spoke to a friend that died in my dreams but it felt so real No it didn't freak me out because I didn't know they were dead. I'm not claiming they were sentient or capable of communicating with me although the cleaner did wave. In fact I make no claims in connection with my experiences at all. I think it's quite common to speak with people who've died in dreams, that's probably our minds giving us comfort" If the place where you saw the person. If you could get CCTV footage of said person and it be confirmed that that person was already dead. Then you can prove ghosts exist. | |||
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"It depends what we mean by ghost. Do I think that dead people walk about for hundreds of years after they die? No I do believe that for a short period after you die you're able to somehow be present with people and have had several experiences that bear that out I don't believe that the people who claim to be mediums actually are talking to dead people either. I want to believe in ghost but if they was real we would have proper evidence by now. Plus why are they always dressed in old clothes? Tou never hear of a ghost wearing a football kit or Jean's and Gucci top. The ones I've seen have been people who've recently died but I haven't found out until after I've seen them. They were dressed as I knew them in life Oh wow. So you had a real conversation with them and later on found out they had died? No I didn't speak to them One was a woman I hardly knew I saw standing outside a shop, I recognised her by a particular coat and headscarf she wore. When I got home I told my mum I'd seen her and she said she'd died. Another was a cleaner at work That gave me chills up my spine. Did it freak you out? I spoke to a friend that died in my dreams but it felt so real No it didn't freak me out because I didn't know they were dead. I'm not claiming they were sentient or capable of communicating with me although the cleaner did wave. In fact I make no claims in connection with my experiences at all. I think it's quite common to speak with people who've died in dreams, that's probably our minds giving us comfort If the place where you saw the person. If you could get CCTV footage of said person and it be confirmed that that person was already dead. Then you can prove ghosts exist. " That would certainly work. | |||
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"Id like a guy to stay overnight in a haunted house with me please. " Oh my God, just imagine us not getting any sleep, scared out of our wits, and eventually disemboweled with no one knowing what happened. Relationship goals  | |||
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"Id like a guy to stay overnight in a haunted house with me please. Oh my God, just imagine us not getting any sleep, scared out of our wits, and eventually disemboweled with no one knowing what happened. Relationship goals "I'm game!! | |||
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"Never seen but had a hell of a time with spiritual goings off when i bought this house, from being pushed, held down, things thrown, moved allsorts. Everything is calm now though
Whoa that would scare the life out of me.
I was a firm non believer but bought the house derelict and completely renovated it i had a hell of a time, my partner refused to come in the house after being held down, my brickie left site, i had so many experts over to try and subdue it. I have candles lit all the time and just tell it to 'fuck off' if i sense anything and ignore it.
The house was known locally as the 'murder house' many years ago '60's a guy pushed his wife down the stairs and she left in a ambulance he hung himself, no one lived here until i bought it from auction
Interesting.
We stayed in a house in Wales. I wouldn't go upstairs alone, Mr N had to sit with me while I had a bath . Our daughter was thrilled that a cat laid on her bed each night (there wasn't a cat)
My 6 year old niece kept saying she didnt like her bedroom the man in the corner, he just stares she wont stay in her room now she stays in another room
I find it endlessly fascinating"Me too I’ve been studying near death experiences for a few years now | |||
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"all the people that have said they have seen a ghost,, they all cant be liars surley" They can be mistaken. | |||
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"all the people that have said they have seen a ghost,, they all cant be liars surley They can be mistaken." Exactly this. We all have a spot right in the centre of our field of vision where we can't see a thing and our brain literally invents what it thinks we can see there. Spend 5 minutes Googling visual illusions and you'll soon realise that believing you have seen something is not the same as knowing it is real. Mr | |||
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"anybody ever seen a ghost,," I've seen loads of UFOs no ghosts though | |||
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"Id like a guy to stay overnight in a haunted house with me please. Oh my God, just imagine us not getting any sleep, scared out of our wits, and eventually disemboweled with no one knowing what happened. Relationship goals
I'm game!!
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"all the people that have said they have seen a ghost,, they all cant be liars surley But they can be mistaken, wrong, insane or any of a number of things. Ghosts, spirits etc simply do not exist." You sound so sure | |||
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"all the people that have said they have seen a ghost,, they all cant be liars surley But they can be mistaken, wrong, insane or any of a number of things. Ghosts, spirits etc simply do not exist. You sound so sure "It's called evidence. Given the size of some of the prizes offered for proving anything paranormal and the utter failure by anyone to do so, the only rational conclusion is they don't exist. I've no doubt people 'see' stuff that they can't explain but this doesn't prove ghosts exist, it just proves they're either not very good at thinking of plausible explanations or they are seeing things that don't exist. We all give our brains far more credence than we should. Our brains and senses are not the infallible recorders of reality we think they are. They are just a system that is designed to keep us alive. Our sight is incredibly complex, honed by evolution to see the shape of a dangerous animal camouflaged in the shadows, it invents colours, patterns and shapes that aren't there, interprets a few random 2d lines as a real 3d object and tricks us constantly. Then, our memory isn't the simple recording feature we assume but it's changeable and proven to routinely be wrong. Combine these two together and you'll get people absolutely convinced they saw/ experienced something they simply didn't. This weekend her ladyship and I found ourselves on a section of road we have driven many times - me probably 30 or more. We approached from a different direction to normal but, despite the map being clear where we were, neither of us recognised any of the road - including a massive orange church and would both have sworn blind we had never been there before. We drove it again from the usual place a few days later and all the features we had sworn we didn't recognise were still there. So how do I explain that? Maybe one of us saying we didn't recognise the road triggered a series of similar thoughts in the other, maybe, when we've driven it previously it has coincidentally always been at a stage in a long journey where we have both been running on auto pilot, who knows. One thing I'm sure of is that despite the completely surreal feeling, the totally shared experience, the utter conviction that we couldn't surely both totally fail to recognise or remember any feature in about 5 miles of driving, the explanation is certainly to do with our own minds and not that some supernatural entity has randomly changed a big chunk of mid Wales just to freak us out Mr | |||
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"all the people that have said they have seen a ghost,, they all cant be liars surley But they can be mistaken, wrong, insane or any of a number of things. Ghosts, spirits etc simply do not exist. You sound so sure
It's called evidence. Given the size of some of the prizes offered for proving anything paranormal and the utter failure by anyone to do so, the only rational conclusion is they don't exist. I've no doubt people 'see' stuff that they can't explain but this doesn't prove ghosts exist, it just proves they're either not very good at thinking of plausible explanations or they are seeing things that don't exist. We all give our brains far more credence than we should. Our brains and senses are not the infallible recorders of reality we think they are. They are just a system that is designed to keep us alive. Our sight is incredibly complex, honed by evolution to see the shape of a dangerous animal camouflaged in the shadows, it invents colours, patterns and shapes that aren't there, interprets a few random 2d lines as a real 3d object and tricks us constantly. Then, our memory isn't the simple recording feature we assume but it's changeable and proven to routinely be wrong. Combine these two together and you'll get people absolutely convinced they saw/ experienced something they simply didn't.
This weekend her ladyship and I found ourselves on a section of road we have driven many times - me probably 30 or more. We approached from a different direction to normal but, despite the map being clear where we were, neither of us recognised any of the road - including a massive orange church and would both have sworn blind we had never been there before. We drove it again from the usual place a few days later and all the features we had sworn we didn't recognise were still there. So how do I explain that? Maybe one of us saying we didn't recognise the road triggered a series of similar thoughts in the other, maybe, when we've driven it previously it has coincidentally always been at a stage in a long journey where we have both been running on auto pilot, who knows. One thing I'm sure of is that despite the completely surreal feeling, the totally shared experience, the utter conviction that we couldn't surely both totally fail to recognise or remember any feature in about 5 miles of driving, the explanation is certainly to do with our own minds and not that some supernatural entity has randomly changed a big chunk of mid Wales just to freak us out
Mr"As long winded as your argument was. And I did read it, and appreciate it. You know you can’t ‘prove’ a negative that ghosts don’t exist simply be saying “we couldn’t find one!”
It’s like that - have you ever seen a million dollars with your own eyes.?
I just feel when arguments like your own are thrown about, it’s as ridiculous to me in the same way my explanations must seem ridiculous to you.
I like hearing peoples views about it. I like those that sit on both sides.
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"all the people that have said they have seen a ghost,, they all cant be liars surley But they can be mistaken, wrong, insane or any of a number of things. Ghosts, spirits etc simply do not exist. You sound so sure
It's called evidence. Given the size of some of the prizes offered for proving anything paranormal and the utter failure by anyone to do so, the only rational conclusion is they don't exist. I've no doubt people 'see' stuff that they can't explain but this doesn't prove ghosts exist, it just proves they're either not very good at thinking of plausible explanations or they are seeing things that don't exist. We all give our brains far more credence than we should. Our brains and senses are not the infallible recorders of reality we think they are. They are just a system that is designed to keep us alive. Our sight is incredibly complex, honed by evolution to see the shape of a dangerous animal camouflaged in the shadows, it invents colours, patterns and shapes that aren't there, interprets a few random 2d lines as a real 3d object and tricks us constantly. Then, our memory isn't the simple recording feature we assume but it's changeable and proven to routinely be wrong. Combine these two together and you'll get people absolutely convinced they saw/ experienced something they simply didn't.
This weekend her ladyship and I found ourselves on a section of road we have driven many times - me probably 30 or more. We approached from a different direction to normal but, despite the map being clear where we were, neither of us recognised any of the road - including a massive orange church and would both have sworn blind we had never been there before. We drove it again from the usual place a few days later and all the features we had sworn we didn't recognise were still there. So how do I explain that? Maybe one of us saying we didn't recognise the road triggered a series of similar thoughts in the other, maybe, when we've driven it previously it has coincidentally always been at a stage in a long journey where we have both been running on auto pilot, who knows. One thing I'm sure of is that despite the completely surreal feeling, the totally shared experience, the utter conviction that we couldn't surely both totally fail to recognise or remember any feature in about 5 miles of driving, the explanation is certainly to do with our own minds and not that some supernatural entity has randomly changed a big chunk of mid Wales just to freak us out
Mr"Cool story just nothing whatsoever to do with ghosts. More a lack of observation? Just seeing something you're so familiar with from a different perspective? By the way ...don't look behind you. | |||
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" As long winded as your argument was. And I did read it, and appreciate it. You know you can’t ‘prove’ a negative that ghosts don’t exist simply be saying “we couldn’t find one!”
It’s like that - have you ever seen a million dollars with your own eyes.?
I just feel when arguments like your own are thrown about, it’s as ridiculous to me in the same way my explanations must seem ridiculous to you.
I like hearing peoples views about it. I like those that sit on both sides.
I see dead people "No, you can't prove a negative bit then you can't prove a positive either. You can sit a glass of water in front of me and tell me it proves glasses of water exist but it doesn't. It simply says you believe what you're seeing is a glass of water, you cannot prove that it isn't in fact a ghost pretending to be a glass of water because as you so helpfully point out, you cannot prove a negative and for every "positive" you believe you can prove, I can come up with a negative that contradicts your belief that you are unable to disprove. We are each left to sum up the evidence and come up with the most plausible explanation. The argument that you cannot prove a negative is one used by people who don't understand logic - invariably it will be someone arguing for the existence of something supernatural whether that's a ghost or a god. Given that there is no evidence ghosts exist Okhams Razor says the simplest explanation should be the preferred one. Why invent a world that has ghosts in but leave no evidence of their existence when a world without ghosts is a simpler explanation? Mr | |||
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