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"If I am reading this right then you must allow emergency services to pass but must not break the rules in doing do. So you cannot speed up or mount the kerb or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. Not sure that is very helpful if a driver is doing 30mph in a 30 limit and there is nowhere safe to pull over or stop. Any blue lighters who know the truth. ?" This isn't anything new at all. You've never been able to break any rules of the road, including the ones you mentioned plus going through red lights. A | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. " If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A | |||
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"But if you are doing 30 and the speed limit is 30 then the ambulance shouldn't be breaking the speed limit anyway . . . ." I didn't realize that. I thought they could break the speed limits on blue lights | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A" Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts." I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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"We actually saw someone go through a red light to let an ambulance through last week. I wondered then where they stood as far as the law's concerned " It’s definitely against the law. You’re only supposed to move out the way if it’s safe to do so in what would normally be a legal way. | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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"We actually saw someone go through a red light to let an ambulance through last week. I wondered then where they stood as far as the law's concerned It’s definitely against the law. You’re only supposed to move out the way if it’s safe to do so in what would normally be a legal way." I hope the police look on it leniently. I'd hate for anyone to be in urgent need of treatment and the person at the lights won't move | |||
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"We actually saw someone go through a red light to let an ambulance through last week. I wondered then where they stood as far as the law's concerned It’s definitely against the law. You’re only supposed to move out the way if it’s safe to do so in what would normally be a legal way. I hope the police look on it leniently. I'd hate for anyone to be in urgent need of treatment and the person at the lights won't move" I think only a complete jobsworth would penalise some for it. | |||
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"We actually saw someone go through a red light to let an ambulance through last week. I wondered then where they stood as far as the law's concerned It’s definitely against the law. You’re only supposed to move out the way if it’s safe to do so in what would normally be a legal way. I hope the police look on it leniently. I'd hate for anyone to be in urgent need of treatment and the person at the lights won't move I think only a complete jobsworth would penalise some for it." Which is what worries me. | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
A"Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through. There are plenty. Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on? | |||
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"We actually saw someone go through a red light to let an ambulance through last week. I wondered then where they stood as far as the law's concerned It’s definitely against the law. You’re only supposed to move out the way if it’s safe to do so in what would normally be a legal way. I hope the police look on it leniently. I'd hate for anyone to be in urgent need of treatment and the person at the lights won't move I think only a complete jobsworth would penalise some for it. Which is what worries me. " As a cyclist the only time I don't go through a red light is when I have the blues and two's behind me. | |||
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"We actually saw someone go through a red light to let an ambulance through last week. I wondered then where they stood as far as the law's concerned It’s definitely against the law. You’re only supposed to move out the way if it’s safe to do so in what would normally be a legal way. I hope the police look on it leniently. I'd hate for anyone to be in urgent need of treatment and the person at the lights won't move I think only a complete jobsworth would penalise some for it. Which is what worries me. " The driver could then invoke the defence of Duress or Necessity if they fancied their day in court. IMHO, common sense would dictate that it should be acceptable to pass a red light (safely) to allow an emergency vehicle to pass | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through.
There are plenty.
Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on?"If it's that much of an emergency, the ambulance could go onto the other lane and around the traffic lights. | |||
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"But if you are doing 30 and the speed limit is 30 then the ambulance shouldn't be breaking the speed limit anyway . . . . I didn't realize that. I thought they could break the speed limits on blue lights" I’m sure they can on a sliding scale. | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through.
There are plenty.
Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on?
If it's that much of an emergency, the ambulance could go onto the other lane and around the traffic lights."Even if that was blocked? | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through.
There are plenty.
Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on?"There's no trigger for a camera to go off when someone enters a box junction, just when going through a red light, otherwise they'd go off every time a vehicle entered one as they cover more than one lane or route. Would I sit a t a light? Nope. I'd move and have done before. And I've never had a letter though the post giving me a fine either. There's been a wave of 'watch out, you could be fined if.....' posts on social media and in the press recently, largely just click bait based on obscure laws that are never actually enforced. A | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through.
There are plenty.
Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on?
If it's that much of an emergency, the ambulance could go onto the other lane and around the traffic lights.
Even if that was blocked?"Less likely to be blocked than the side waiting for the lights. And if both sides are blocked, the patient is in deep shit. Satnav would probably re-route them anyway. | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through.
There are plenty.
Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on?
There's no trigger for a camera to go off when someone enters a box junction, just when going through a red light, otherwise they'd go off every time a vehicle entered one as they cover more than one lane or route.
Would I sit a t a light? Nope. I'd move and have done before. And I've never had a letter though the post giving me a fine either. There's been a wave of 'watch out, you could be fined if.....' posts on social media and in the press recently, largely just click bait based on obscure laws that are never actually enforced.
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through.
There are plenty.
Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on?
There's no trigger for a camera to go off when someone enters a box junction, just when going through a red light, otherwise they'd go off every time a vehicle entered one as they cover more than one lane or route.
Would I sit a t a light? Nope. I'd move and have done before. And I've never had a letter though the post giving me a fine either. There's been a wave of 'watch out, you could be fined if.....' posts on social media and in the press recently, largely just click bait based on obscure laws that are never actually enforced.
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through.
There are plenty.
Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on?
There's no trigger for a camera to go off when someone enters a box junction, just when going through a red light, otherwise they'd go off every time a vehicle entered one as they cover more than one lane or route.
Would I sit a t a light? Nope. I'd move and have done before. And I've never had a letter though the post giving me a fine either. There's been a wave of 'watch out, you could be fined if.....' posts on social media and in the press recently, largely just click bait based on obscure laws that are never actually enforced.
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There are box junctions with automatic cameras that will be used as the basis of fines."I stand corrected. As of Jan 2022 there were box junction cameras capable of issuing fines in Cardiff and London. But these all seem to be linked to traffic lights, so surely the offence is no different to jumping a light, as the rules for box junctions have always been that you don't enter them unless the exit is clear (with the exception being if you're turning right and the path to turn isn't clear)? So if you had to enter one to enable an ambulance to get through then the same logic would apply that you'd have pretty good grounds to appeal. A | |||
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"b or even enter a bus lane even if it is safe to do so to let an ambulance pass. If you're driving on a two lane road where the inside lane is a bus lane, then why would you need to move into the bus lane to let an ambulance pass when the ambulance can easily (and legally) drive in the bus lane? You wouldn't be an obstruction anyway. There are many rules in the highway code but police will more often than not take a common sense approach and you're unlikely to be prosecuted for popping two wheels on a kerb for 10 seconds to let an ambulance get through congested traffic. As for speeding up? Why would you need to do that? Generally you're expected to slow down, stop and pull over to let them past. A Except when enforced by camera then you’re done, no ifs no buts. I don't know of any cameras that enforce kerb mounting. Bus lanes? Yes. But as I said earlier you wouldn't need to go in one. Red lights you've never been allowed to go through to allow emergency vehicles to pass unless under the specific instruction of the police, in which case you'd have perfect cause to appeal. Can't think of any other scenarios cameras would automatically issue a fine?
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Move into a box junction to clear the way for an emergency vehicle. Pull forward past the stop line at a red light to let the emergency vehicle through.
There are plenty.
Would you sit at a red light and wait for it to go green with an ambulance behind you with blues n twos on?
There's no trigger for a camera to go off when someone enters a box junction, just when going through a red light, otherwise they'd go off every time a vehicle entered one as they cover more than one lane or route.
Would I sit a t a light? Nope. I'd move and have done before. And I've never had a letter though the post giving me a fine either. There's been a wave of 'watch out, you could be fined if.....' posts on social media and in the press recently, largely just click bait based on obscure laws that are never actually enforced.
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There are box junctions with automatic cameras that will be used as the basis of fines.
I stand corrected. As of Jan 2022 there were box junction cameras capable of issuing fines in Cardiff and London.
But these all seem to be linked to traffic lights, so surely the offence is no different to jumping a light, as the rules for box junctions have always been that you don't enter them unless the exit is clear (with the exception being if you're turning right and the path to turn isn't clear)? So if you had to enter one to enable an ambulance to get through then the same logic would apply that you'd have pretty good grounds to appeal.
A"London box junctions been camera enforced long before 2022. If you moved into it to let an ambulance past you’re ticketed. | |||
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"But if you are doing 30 and the speed limit is 30 then the ambulance shouldn't be breaking the speed limit anyway . . . . I didn't realize that. I thought they could break the speed limits on blue lights" They can, emergency vehicles are exempt from most but not all traffic laws. | |||
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