FabSwingers.com forum: Which veri do you put more stock in?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Question speaks for itself really. Just interested in people's views since one is very easy to achieve and the other can be (at least it seems to me) more of a challenge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Which veris are you talking about OP? The photo upload one to prove you're real and the one provided by another user?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Question speaks for itself really. Just interested in people's views since one is very easy to achieve and the other can be (at least it seems to me) more of a challenge. "

Real meets, where people have turned up, been friendly, sociable and played. They are the only ones that are really proof of folks being genuine.

There’s an endless stream of veries via cam and those that seem to have had a series of social meets but never played. The there’s the suspect ones where folks have only been chatting via fab for a while but not actually met.

The photo veri thing is a big obsession by fab, it merely proves people exist but nothing else.

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Photo verification proves that a person is the gender they claim to be.

Verification by meet proves that they met someone and probably didn't piss them off.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Which veris are you talking about OP? The photo upload one to prove you're real and the one provided by another user?"

Yeah sorry those two are the ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me, it:

Photo verification - only proves that someone uploaded a photo that looks like how a man/woman has been expected to look in forever.

Webcam - meh/ok.

Meeting in person - holds more weight with me but given the last couple of people I met haven't verified me, maybe I should just keep quiet

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

The only veris i take any notice of is meet veris, all others mean nothing to me however veris are not the be all for meeting

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Photo verification proves that a person is the gender they claim to be.

Verification by meet proves that they met someone and probably didn't piss them off. "

This.

The words in a veri are largely irrelevant. I'd rather not see graphic blow by blow accounts of what went on.

All it needs to say is they turned up, looked like their pics and were nice.

Simples.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

This is what I thought, I just think its harder to get that first user veri. Difficult to get that if no-one will meet as you don't have one.Feel like that's the barrier you have to get through first.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Neither really. More chatting etc. I’d say 50% of the people I’ve met were unverified. Never had any issues at all. Two turned into long term fwbs x

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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago

south east

"This is what I thought, I just think its harder to get that first user veri. Difficult to get that if no-one will meet as you don't have one.Feel like that's the barrier you have to get through first. "

Only advice id give you is get out there attend socials ,parties maybe a club get your face known ..put in the effort reap the rewards

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Photo verification proves that a person is the gender they claim to be.

Verification by meet proves that they met someone and probably didn't piss them off.

This.

The words in a veri are largely irrelevant. I'd rather not see graphic blow by blow accounts of what went on.

All it needs to say is they turned up, looked like their pics and were nice.

Simples.

I sometimes look for patterns. But I don't look for "sucks like a Dyson", it's more like, do ten people seem to imply that this person respected their boundaries and was pleasant to be around? (When I first joined it was a safety issue. Wtf am I getting myself in for? But there were X verifications going back Y time that indicated that this person was respectful - I took the chance)

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So I'm gathering that there is a definite difference between a meet veri and a cam veri as well?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"So I'm gathering that there is a definite difference between a meet veri and a cam veri as well? "

Yes, definitely

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

Both are not infallible.

Pinch of salt from me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Webcam verifications mean nothing to me. Face to face meets hold more worth.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Webcam verifications mean nothing to me. Face to face meets hold more worth. "

So would you not meet someone with no veris at all?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Both are not infallible.

Pinch of salt from me"

Yeah, nothing is infallible

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Webcam verifications mean nothing to me. Face to face meets hold more worth.

So would you not meet someone with no veris at all? "

Many people won't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah i feel that creates this kinda feedback loop where noone will meet cus you have no veris, so how do you get the veris XD

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Yeah i feel that creates this kinda feedback loop where noone will meet cus you have no veris, so how do you get the veris XD"

I’m your way quite a lot with a fwb. Happy to meet you for a coffee when I’m that way and veri you. I’ll hotlist you to try and remind me x

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By *uitednbooted2Man
over a year ago

Berkshire

"Question speaks for itself really. Just interested in people's views since one is very easy to achieve and the other can be (at least it seems to me) more of a challenge.

Real meets, where people have turned up, been friendly, sociable and played. They are the only ones that are really proof of folks being genuine.

The photo veri thing is a big obsession by fab, it merely proves people exist but nothing else."

Photo verification is a start though! At least it proves a woman is a woman and not some dude pretending to be one. Or more common a single guy pretending to be a couple. Better than nothing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yeah i feel that creates this kinda feedback loop where noone will meet cus you have no veris, so how do you get the veris XD

I’m your way quite a lot with a fwb. Happy to meet you for a coffee when I’m that way and veri you. I’ll hotlist you to try and remind me x"

I'm actually chuffed that you'd even consider doing this!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Photo verification is a start though! At least it proves a woman is a woman and not some dude pretending to be one. Or more common a single guy pretending to be a couple. Better than nothing "

I had the thought that it at least showed someone was committed enough to photo veri. I imagine a lot of tourists just wouldnt bother or want to.

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"Yeah i feel that creates this kinda feedback loop where noone will meet cus you have no veris, so how do you get the veris XD"

Everyone starts with no veris.

Everyone starts from the same position. There's no avoiding that. There are things you can do to help you and things you can do that will definitely hinder you.

Once you work them out you'll be fine.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

The verification we take most notice of is the one we make ourselves by meeting for a coffee. Photo verification comes first otherwise verifications from organised or private socials carry more weight with us than the *sucks like a Dyson* ones

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Yeah i feel that creates this kinda feedback loop where noone will meet cus you have no veris, so how do you get the veris XD

I’m your way quite a lot with a fwb. Happy to meet you for a coffee when I’m that way and veri you. I’ll hotlist you to try and remind me x

I'm actually chuffed that you'd even consider doing this!

It’s fine. Also you could try a social event. There’s one in Northampton on 11th June which is usually a fun one. Not sure it that’s too far for you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah I imagine there;s a bit of build up to a profile as you get established on here.

I think the idea of an event is a little intimidating. I may have built them up into something crazier in my head than they actually are...I'm a delicate flower apparently

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Yeah I imagine there;s a bit of build up to a profile as you get established on here.

I think the idea of an event is a little intimidating. I may have built them up into something crazier in my head than they actually are...I'm a delicate flower apparently

Haha I was like that. It’s literally just a drink in a pub. Nothing like a club. It’s fun. You don’t have to remove any clothing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Haha I was like that. It’s literally just a drink in a pub. Nothing like a club. It’s fun. You don’t have to remove any clothing

Ahhh i assumed this was like an actual club event. So there are just general social meet ups?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The one from santa and his wife and reindeer

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By *ylonattireTV/TS
over a year ago

Radcliffe

If you have only been verified by cam, not interested.

If its a meet and played then I always look at who else they have played with.

If its too many then I stop looking.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If you have only been verified by cam, not interested.

If its a meet and played then I always look at who else they have played with.

If its too many then I stop looking."

So numbers are important as well? Better to have a few rather than loads. Im also getting the impression that veris should just be a comment how good the person was socially rather than what actually happened?

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Haha I was like that. It’s literally just a drink in a pub. Nothing like a club. It’s fun. You don’t have to remove any clothing

Ahhh i assumed this was like an actual club event. So there are just general social meet ups? "

Yes! Literally in a normal pub. Nobody on the pub would know we’re even on this site. I find it a better way to meet people to be honest. Face to face rather than messages. Someone would always come out and meet you if you’re uncomfortable walking in alone.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yes! Literally in a normal pub. Nobody on the pub would know we’re even on this site. I find it a better way to meet people to be honest. Face to face rather than messages. Someone would always come out and meet you if you’re uncomfortable walking in alone. "

Now I'm getting secret society vibes... sounds more intriguing!

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I like reading some for my own amusement.

But I'm unlikely to take anyone else's word for what someone is like

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

Now I'm getting secret society vibes... sounds more intriguing!"

. It’s just like a night out with your mates.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

. It’s just like a night out with your mates. "

As a single male in my 30's with lots of married w/kids mates I have no idea how to do these anymore

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

. It’s just like a night out with your mates.

As a single male in my 30's with lots of married w/kids mates I have no idea how to do these anymore

Come along. We’ll show you!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Webcam verifications mean nothing to me. Face to face meets hold more worth.

So would you not meet someone with no veris at all? "

Yes I have met a guy here and gave him his first verification. He was quite active in the Irish forums and came across well. So after chatting for a while we met for coffee.

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By *inger_SnapWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

Social/ meet veris.

Although people don't always live up to them and can still let you down!

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By *aturefun63Man
over a year ago

Belper

If have a lot of good veris can take they’re probably do what they say they do ,but there are no negative veris anyway, so need to use common sense before meeting anyone

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By *bi HaiveMan
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over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"If you have only been verified by cam, not interested.

If its a meet and played then I always look at who else they have played with.

If its too many then I stop looking."

How many is too many?

You know people shag off site and that not every meet on here results in a veri?

The number should see will never represent someone's actual activity so why would a specific number be a negative?

The same as someone with just one or two may well have just had a bareback gang bang the weekend before where they fucked 50 people they'd never met.....

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By *inger_SnapWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

"Yeah i feel that creates this kinda feedback loop where noone will meet cus you have no veris, so how do you get the veris XD"

I've met quite a few newbies for a social and left them a veri, if they've been nice enough in there communication.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yeah i can understand that too many can be off putting, although maybe that's from a sexual health side? On the other hand it is a swinger site right sooo surely that comes with the territory?

I have kind of wondered if people exaggerate on their veris as they just want to be nice or ensure they get a good veri back maybe?

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By *inger_SnapWoman
over a year ago

Hampshire/Dorset

"If you have only been verified by cam, not interested.

If its a meet and played then I always look at who else they have played with.

If its too many then I stop looking.

How many is too many?

You know people shag off site and that not every meet on here results in a veri?

The number should see will never represent someone's actual activity so why would a specific number be a negative?

The same as someone with just one or two may well have just had a bareback gang bang the weekend before where they fucked 50 people they'd never met.....

Yes, you're never really going to know, I don't have a veri for every time I've met someone off here or elsewhere for sex.

Those with hundreds are usually from events etc.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"If you have only been verified by cam, not interested.

If its a meet and played then I always look at who else they have played with.

If its too many then I stop looking.

How many is too many?

You know people shag off site and that not every meet on here results in a veri?

The number should see will never represent someone's actual activity so why would a specific number be a negative?

The same as someone with just one or two may well have just had a bareback gang bang the weekend before where they fucked 50 people they'd never met.....

This is true. I’ll admit too many veris used to put me off. It’s more the content of them now for me. People could glance at mine and think she’s been with over 20 people this year. Mine are social. I have never shown sexual ones so from a sexual point of view veris don’t really mean much x

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By *ecadent_DevonMan
over a year ago

Okehampton

I thought the purpose of a verification was to prove, without doubt, that the person/s in the profile are who they say they are, no more no less.

Of course both photo and meet verifications can be faked, although the effort required to do so would mean that a very small percentage would do that.

If you think verifications are there to demonstrate that people actually “play” then I think you’ve kind of missed the point of why they exist. They exist (I believe) not to demonstrate prowess or intention, but to confirm identity, and allay fear/disappointment.

In which case, given the effort required to fake either a photo or meet verification, both can be taken as 90% efficient. However a photo verification does not confirm that the age/height/weight of a person is as specified, photo mods will generally just confirm gender.

Neither verification confirms nuances (like truly single etc.). So how much of a deciding factor should a verification be? It’s one tool in a whole box of tools, but should not be used as a soul deciding factor.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"This is true. I’ll admit too many veris used to put me off. It’s more the content of them now for me. People could glance at mine and think she’s been with over 20 people this year. Mine are social. I have never shown sexual ones so from a sexual point of view veris don’t really mean much x"

This seems like the better way to me. I dont really want to hear all the dirty details of who came where and what not. if anything thats a little off putting

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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

Photo veries just means someone has posted a pic that is meant to be them, I've seen several returning fake accounts that are photo veried so they obviously manage to get around it every time.

Cam veris are pointless people go into the cam rooms for a few mins and get veried there so I wouldn't even look at those veris.

Meet veris just mean someone met that person and they were okay for the length of time they met for.

No one will show a bad Veri and you just add to their Veri count if you give a bad one so they win either way.

I prefer to make up my own mind about someone by chatting for a while before we meet.

I don't pay too much heed to veris on here anymore,the main reason I use them would be to avoid meeting someone due to drama that could be caused if they are veried by certain people on here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So it actually seems that although veris can be good, folks actually don't put as much stock in them as maybe i thought.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

This seems like the better way to me. I dont really want to hear all the dirty details of who came where and what not. if anything thats a little off putting

I agree. Definitely off putting to me anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I don’t put much weight to them. Just because they’ve met someone else it doesn’t mean that we would get along.

Veris can put me off sometimes though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Photo verification proves that a person is the gender they claim to be.

Verification by meet proves that they met someone and probably didn't piss them off. "

Spot on.

And if this isn't what you was asking opp, then my answer would be.

I love cams but a veri is just brief to say yes I've seen them on cam pretty much. (only of asked to in pm)

Then the real life meet veris is when i get in my bag and start making that sound like a very specific representation of how the meet went. If it was super hot i will ou that and mean it. If it was shambolic I'll just block you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Veri Paradise...

As I walk through the valley of the shadow of fab,

I take a look at my profile and realize that it is bereft,

'Cause I've been fabbing and winking so long,

That even now I think that my chance is gone.

But I ain't never met a man just to prove that I'm real,

Or met a TV just to see how that would feel.

I know I need that tick to prove I am who I am,

Cus without that veri, my mails get treated worse than spam.

I really hate to say that any hole's a goal,

But to meet, I need to get a meet and be veri'd

I'm the kinda fabber people tend to avoid,

But how do I confirm that I'm real and not an android?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally I don’t put much weight to them. Just because they’ve met someone else it doesn’t mean that we would get along.

Veris can put me off sometimes though"

They put me off too

If it wasn't for the veris made by others i probably would've had alot of disappointing meets by now.

Thats why i make mine specific to help others out.i don't have to im just thoughtful

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By *oiluvfunMan
over a year ago

Penrith

"Question speaks for itself really. Just interested in people's views since one is very easy to achieve and the other can be (at least it seems to me) more of a challenge. "

Actual meet veris, whether for a social or a play date, mean the person is genuine, and matches what they have put in their profile. This is actually all anyone really needs to know.

Repeat meets over and over from regular friends are just lamppost pissing, and basically off-putting

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By *ussle SproutMan
over a year ago

the middle

Any potential visitors to my profile, ignore my verifications. I had to buy a lot of drinks to get them

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

"If you have only been verified by cam, not interested.

If its a meet and played then I always look at who else they have played with.

If its too many then I stop looking.

How many is too many?

You know people shag off site and that not every meet on here results in a veri?

The number should see will never represent someone's actual activity so why would a specific number be a negative?

The same as someone with just one or two may well have just had a bareback gang bang the weekend before where they fucked 50 people they'd never met.....

I had a profile on here since 2008.

If I'd had one meet that was verified per month since I joined and changed the old single profile to a couples one rather than start afresh, and all of them were on display...... we'd have 168.

Which I'm sure some would see and think 'ooh, that's a lot, best not meet them as they obviously shaggy anything and everything'.

Truth be told I probably had half that number of meets per year when I was single. But nobody would have known that. So the number would be even higher.

Everyone is entitled to decide what number is acceptable or excessive of course but if you honestly think you can get an accurate picture of someone's sexual behaviour from their veris..... then I have some magic beans you may be interested in buying.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

I don't really read them. I just see if they're real, and hope it encourages people that I'm real too. I especially dislike the in detail ones. Somethings are best left between consenting adults

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like to see any veris at all. All veri types are pointless.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't like to see any veris at all. All veri types are pointless. "

So just fully on your interaction with them and their profile?

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By *uitednbooted2Man
over a year ago

Berkshire

"I don't like to see any veris at all. All veri types are pointless. "

As is that comment tbh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't like to see any veris at all. All veri types are pointless.

As is that comment tbh

Do you need someone to explain it for you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't like to see any veris at all. All veri types are pointless.

So just fully on your interaction with them and their profile? "

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't like to see any veris at all. All veri types are pointless.

So just fully on your interaction with them and their profile?

Yes.

Makes sense to me

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By *ealitybitesMan
over a year ago

Belfast

I only look at veries to see if they are consistent with the rest of the profile as well as their forum posts and private messages.

I've yet to see a veri that would encourage me to meet someone because I make up my own mind based on what I just said above.

I have seen plenty that would discourage me though.

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By * Lexi xWoman
over a year ago

stockport

I have 313 veris.

I’ve hosted in a club, been to many socials and attended clubs for the last few years.

All social these days but when i first joined fab I had plenty of fun.

Now I don’t show any sexual ones mainly out of respect for my partner.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be honest neither.

The last guy I met had none, and he was still real. Shocking.

I like to think I can tell a fake from real and a dickhead from a non dickhead without help from complete strangers.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I imagine this might just be the difference between men and women on here maybe. Do you often go looking for profiles or just respond to messages where you can judge a guy? In my experience I'm 90% of the time sending the messages so all I have to go off is the profile so the veris are a bit more important perhaps.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"I think the idea of an event is a little intimidating. I may have built them up into something crazier in my head than they actually are...I'm a delicate flower apparently

We'll be at the Northampton social. Will be happy to have a drink with you and verify.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think the idea of an event is a little intimidating. I may have built them up into something crazier in my head than they actually are...I'm a delicate flower apparently

We'll be at the Northampton social. Will be happy to have a drink with you and verify."

Thankyou, super kind of you! Sounds soppy but I'm actually chuffed that you'd offer to do this at all. I'm going to have to see if I can move some things around. Man you forum folks are far too lovely!

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

I don’t put as much weight behind veris as I used to after recent experiences, but pic veris and cam veris mean nothing to me

I toyed between two user names when I came back on previously. Made the account in one, got sidetracked with work and then when I took my veri pic I wrote the other name it in error. It went through fine so I now have zero faith in pic veris at all.

Tbh though it’s all about how someone comes across initially for me. If I’m looking at someone’s veris then they’ve already raised a bit of interest with their opening message.

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By *l MateMan
over a year ago

Sheffield Centre

Meeting in person, but I know not everyone leaves it.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

"If you have only been verified by cam, not interested.

If its a meet and played then I always look at who else they have played with.

If its too many then I stop looking.

Quality not quantity and less is more!

doesn’t have to go into graphic detail

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

That's the first time I've heard of that happening! A bit worrying, did you report that at all? Hear anything from the site about it?

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By *xploring_FunWoman
over a year ago

Coventry

That's the first time I've heard of that happening! A bit worrying, did you report that at all? Hear anything from the site about it? "

I did report it. Didn’t hear anything back.

It’s come up a few times on threads and a couple of other people said the same thing.

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By *aiseiMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Get to social.

I’ve been in and off here for about four years now and went to my first ever social (UpTheBrum 3) last weekend, having put them off before for completely unfounded reasons.

I picked up my latest six veris from that night alone…..and it was a cracking night out, too.

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By *iamondCougarWoman
over a year ago

Norfuck! / Lincolnshire

This seems like the better way to me. I dont really want to hear all the dirty details of who came where and what not. if anything thats a little off putting

I met two guys recently, separately of course but both posted veris soon after with other women they had met. They were fairly graphic and pretty crass tbh so I refused further meetings with either!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t rely on veris at all, there are way too many people on here who can whip up false ones with relative ease, and it seems from other replies on here that the photo-verification is easy enough to bypass. Seems to me pretty obvious that nobody would post a verification that was shit and damning so it has little credibility. I do like to see that people have turned up, been respectful etc.

I always meet first time in a public place, hubby knows where I am, and I check in and take as many reasonable precautions as I can to stay safe.

Incidentally, there are other sites where you can arrange meets through the site, thus enabling the other party to provide feedback either way, and a dispute mechanism. not sure it would be useful on here x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hidden and no summaries are dubious.

The one where you confirm when you join is pointless to confirming anything to me, apart from they adhered to the rules when they joined.

So. A summery showing they meet or have within a year, or a shown very, saying something confirming what I read in their profile would be ideal, but. It needed. Just that they met and weren’t a crazy person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hidden and no summaries are dubious.

The one where you confirm when you join is pointless to confirming anything to me, apart from they adhered to the rules when they joined.

All my veris say I'm nice. None mention that I'm a crazy person.

Make of that what you will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hidden and no summaries are dubious.

The one where you confirm when you join is pointless to confirming anything to me, apart from they adhered to the rules when they joined.

All my veris say I'm nice. None mention that I'm a crazy person.

Make of that what you will.

Did you threaten them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hidden and no summaries are dubious.

The one where you confirm when you join is pointless to confirming anything to me, apart from they adhered to the rules when they joined.

All my veris say I'm nice. None mention that I'm a crazy person.

Make of that what you will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hidden and no summaries are dubious.

The one where you confirm when you join is pointless to confirming anything to me, apart from they adhered to the rules when they joined.

All my veris say I'm nice. None mention that I'm a crazy person.

Make of that what you will.

Did you threaten them? "

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By *ormorantMan
over a year ago

Lincolnshire

None personally, most are a nauseating crock of shite. But everyone is entitled to take whatever stock they want of them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I did report it. Didn’t hear anything back.

It’s come up a few times on threads and a couple of other people said the same thing. "

That's disconcerting. i would have hoped that would be one of the things they would clamp down on straight away and want sorted!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"None personally, most are a nauseating crock of shite. But everyone is entitled to take whatever stock they want of them."

Yeah I find the ones going into all the gory details a bit much. I just want to know if they're a decent person.

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By *oelDorianMan
over a year ago

vanaheim

Socials and club meets honestly as well as real meets

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