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"Some people see through tunnels. Reading/ listening comprehension is not always available. Some people assume a comment is the person's belief. " This!  | |||
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I do get fed up of the race card though. Back in the days of "Love Thy Neighbour" yes it was all non PC calling each other (Sambo, Honky, Chocolate drop, Snowflake, etc). BUT the white guy (not his wife) was portrayed as openly racist. As someone who watched and enjoyed laughing, the show sided with the black couple, made the white guy look stupid for being racist and probably did a lot to improve race relations.
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"Also, on the forums I would say it’s hard to make jokes unless they’re really obvious or quite clearly punny. But generally jokes like you describe are not worth doing on an online forum with strangers. In my opinion anyway. " I did (what I thought was) a jokey thread once. I'm still smarting from the rope burns around my neck from the lynch mob. Gave it a few days, did another one. Opening sentence "THIS IS A JOKE THREAD!!!!!!" Kind of lost its moment there though....
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"Also, on the forums I would say it’s hard to make jokes unless they’re really obvious or quite clearly punny. But generally jokes like you describe are not worth doing on an online forum with strangers. In my opinion anyway. I did (what I thought was) a jokey thread once. I'm still smarting from the rope burns around my neck from the lynch mob. Gave it a few days, did another one. Opening sentence "THIS IS A JOKE THREAD!!!!!!" Kind of lost its moment there though....
Winston"m I once made a quick off the cuff joke that was pounced upon and made to look like it wasn’t. (I’m still reeling about it) It wasn’t even directed at anyone but the op, who told me personally they found it funny. A sense of humour is in most of us. Probably highlighted how sensitive some can be. Know my audience? Oh yes, I know the fab audience now.  | |||
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"He says that people who are offended by jokes often mistake the subject of a joke with the target of a joke.. " Yes, this can happen. You can be a clever, subtle comedian and joke about a subject without insulting the people concerned. It's just a shame Gervais is neither clever nor subtle. | |||
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"He says that people who are offended by jokes often mistake the subject of a joke with the target of a joke.. Yes, this can happen. You can be a clever, subtle comedian and joke about a subject without insulting the people concerned. It's just a shame Gervais is neither clever nor subtle. " Smarmy git comes to mind when I see him on television. Can't be funny without talking about something offensive, then calling it irony and satire. | |||
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"He says that people who are offended by jokes often mistake the subject of a joke with the target of a joke.. Yes, this can happen. You can be a clever, subtle comedian and joke about a subject without insulting the people concerned. It's just a shame Gervais is neither clever nor subtle. Smarmy git comes to mind when I see him on television. Can't be funny without talking about something offensive, then calling it irony and satire. " And that's his point.. people confusing the subject matter with the victim of the joke.. | |||
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"I do get fed up of the race card though. Back in the days of "Love Thy Neighbour" yes it was all non PC calling each other (Sambo, Honky, Chocolate drop, Snowflake, etc). BUT the white guy (not his wife) was portrayed as openly racist. As someone who watched and enjoyed laughing, the show sided with the black couple, made the white guy look stupid for being racist and probably did a lot to improve race relations. " I don't think "Love Thy Neighbour" would get commissioned now!  | |||
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"Yes. I agree with what he said. "Quoting myself here after reading praise or dislike for the man. I don’t like him, but I get his humour. I answered the op question. | |||
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"He says that people who are offended by jokes often mistake the subject of a joke with the target of a joke.. Yes, this can happen. You can be a clever, subtle comedian and joke about a subject without insulting the people concerned. It's just a shame Gervais is neither clever nor subtle. Smarmy git comes to mind when I see him on television. Can't be funny without talking about something offensive, then calling it irony and satire. And that's his point.. people confusing the subject matter with the victim of the joke.. " Every subject matter has victims who have first-hand experience of the jokes comedians tell. I can laugh at fat jokes, jokes aimed at women, jokes about blondes, because none of those things have caused me emotional or physical distress. | |||
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"Humour is subjective isn’t it? Some people love Ricky Gervais. Others hate him. Some don’t really mind either way. Ditto the likes of Nish Kumar, Sarah Millican, Rhod Gilbert, Michael McIntyre etc etc. I could go on! We can’t really laugh at much these days without having to tread on egg-shells, I’m of the mind that those comedians I like I will watch those that offend me or I don’t find funny, I avoid. I don’t want or expect to police the comedy that other people are allowed access to, however distasteful I may find it, and vice versa I don’t want anyone policing what I can access. Use your own filters. " | |||
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"People know what they are getting with certain comedians and anyone looking to be offended will be. If you don't like it, don't watch it. " x | |||
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"The thread has predictedly drifted towards whether Ricky Gervais is funny or not, liked or not etc. The thread is actually about whether his observation about a joke is correct. Many of the comments so far support his view. Comedy is a serious business.. People often confuse the subject matter with the joke. But what does Tom know. He is a simple Essex country boy.." His observations as usual are right.I do find him funny tho .. | |||
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"The thread has predictedly drifted towards whether Ricky Gervais is funny or not, liked or not etc. The thread is actually about whether his observation about a joke is correct. Many of the comments so far support his view. Comedy is a serious business.. People often confuse the subject matter with the joke. But what does Tom know. He is a simple Essex country boy..His observations as usual are right.I do find him funny tho .." Who? Essex Tom or Ricky Gervais? | |||
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"The thread has predictedly drifted towards whether Ricky Gervais is funny or not, liked or not etc. The thread is actually about whether his observation about a joke is correct. Many of the comments so far support his view. Comedy is a serious business.. People often confuse the subject matter with the joke. But what does Tom know. He is a simple Essex country boy.." Dunno, Tom. I is just a simple Aussie country girl. | |||
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"The thread has predictedly drifted towards whether Ricky Gervais is funny or not, liked or not etc. The thread is actually about whether his observation about a joke is correct. Many of the comments so far support his view. Comedy is a serious business.. People often confuse the subject matter with the joke. But what does Tom know. He is a simple Essex country boy.." Nah he’s probably chatting shit like he always is, Tom. What he’s doing is suggesting that people that are offended (by offensive jokes) are actually misunderstanding the point. Like with Little Britain and Come Fly with me. That’s not *actually* offensive, it’s just that we misinterpreted it and it is *actually* taking the piss out of racists, classists, xenophobes, fat phones, ableists etc. 
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"Gervais is an arsehole. It’s just that his jokes are shit, he’s not funny and doesn’t really seem a nice person. I remember that video of him and others using the N word. He should just stick to acting tbh. " Do you think? I find his humour quite clever | |||
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"Gervais is an arsehole. It’s just that his jokes are shit, he’s not funny and doesn’t really seem a nice person. I remember that video of him and others using the N word. He should just stick to acting tbh. Do you think? I find his humour quite clever " Too clever for me probably. I’d rather watch Mo Gilligan. | |||
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"The thread has predictedly drifted towards whether Ricky Gervais is funny or not, liked or not etc. The thread is actually about whether his observation about a joke is correct. Many of the comments so far support his view. Comedy is a serious business.. People often confuse the subject matter with the joke. But what does Tom know. He is a simple Essex country boy.. Nah he’s probably chatting shit like he always is, Tom. What he’s doing is suggesting that people that are offended (by offensive jokes) are actually misunderstanding the point. Like with Little Britain and Come Fly with me. That’s not *actually* offensive, it’s just that we misinterpreted it and it is *actually* taking the piss out of racists, classists, xenophobes, fat phones, ableists etc.
We get the jokes. They’re not funny, they’re just shit excuses to be offensive. "Tom accepts this view but not sure he agrees.. | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'." Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'. Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. " Do you have an example... | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'. Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. Do you have an example... " Steve mentioned it above. Used the N word. | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'. Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. Do you have an example... Steve mentioned it above. Used the N word. " In what context ? | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'. Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. Do you have an example... Steve mentioned it above. Used the N word. In what context ?" I don't know Tom. I'm going on what was said. Why does it matter? He's made jokes about all sorts of stuff. | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'. Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. Do you have an example... Steve mentioned it above. Used the N word. In what context ? I don't know Tom. I'm going on what was said. Why does it matter? He's made jokes about all sorts of stuff. " And that's the point.. He used a word and many rappers use or reclaim that word.. Are you saying he is a racist based on the fact that an earlier poster said he used that word? | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'. Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. Do you have an example... Steve mentioned it above. Used the N word. In what context ? I don't know Tom. I'm going on what was said. Why does it matter? He's made jokes about all sorts of stuff. And that's the point.. He used a word and many rappers use or reclaim that word.. Are you saying he is a racist based on the fact that an earlier poster said he used that word? " It’s here, admin hopefully the link is allowed to show context to the thread : https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/movies/louis-ck-ricky-gervais-receive-backlash-n-word-use-resurfaced-video-114636776.html | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'. Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. Do you have an example... Steve mentioned it above. Used the N word. In what context ? I don't know Tom. I'm going on what was said. Why does it matter? He's made jokes about all sorts of stuff. And that's the point.. He used a word and many rappers use or reclaim that word.. Are you saying he is a racist based on the fact that an earlier poster said he used that word? " I don't think he's racist, or sexist, or disabled etc. I don't find him very funny either. He's dry, which I like; but that's about it. I did like After Life very much. He had to fill in a few minutes at a big event once and had nothing. He isn't a comedian. | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'. Apparently he has done it with race. He has a go at pretty much everyone. Do you have an example... Steve mentioned it above. Used the N word. In what context ? I don't know Tom. I'm going on what was said. Why does it matter? He's made jokes about all sorts of stuff. And that's the point.. He used a word and many rappers use or reclaim that word.. Are you saying he is a racist based on the fact that an earlier poster said he used that word? " I did NOT call him a racist. I said he has "done it with race" as in make jokes. | |||
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"It's actually a very common misconception that everyone has a sense of humour." Wise word Dick and even worse those offended by it | |||
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"The thread has predictedly drifted towards whether Ricky Gervais is funny or not, liked or not etc. The thread is actually about whether his observation about a joke is correct. Many of the comments so far support his view. Comedy is a serious business.. People often confuse the subject matter with the joke. But what does Tom know. He is a simple Essex country boy.. Dunno, Tom. I is just a simple Aussie country girl. " Does your dad own a brewery | |||
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"It's actually a very common misconception that everyone has a sense of humour." Yet many people don't understand that we appreciate different types of humour and don't find every comedian funny. Some people can't stand Lee Evans, or Michael McIntyre. Americans don't always get our humour. Doesn't mean they don't have a sense of humour. Not everyone appreciates satire as a way of highlighting a problem with society. Especially when people are making a career from it. | |||
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"The thread has predictedly drifted towards whether Ricky Gervais is funny or not, liked or not etc. The thread is actually about whether his observation about a joke is correct. Many of the comments so far support his view. Comedy is a serious business.. People often confuse the subject matter with the joke. But what does Tom know. He is a simple Essex country boy.. Dunno, Tom. I is just a simple Aussie country girl. Does your dad own a brewery " Nope. I'm a posh Aussie. | |||
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"His most recent works, Derek and After Life, have made me realise that Stephen Merchant was by far the funnier of the two of them (The Outlaws is much better than both of them, just my opinion). It's ironic that Gervais constantly talks about being cancelled for being too un-PC, while making overly sentimental mainstream stuff for TV like Derek and After Life. He does one thing and pretends to be another. The Office and his podcasts with Steve and Karl are brilliant though, so I'll always have a soft spot for him" I’ve listened to the old XFM radio show with them on about 100 times Great stuff. Merchant is seriously under rated | |||
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"It's actually a very common misconception that everyone has a sense of humour." Nooooooooo. It’s not is it?!! | |||
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"There's many comedians I don't like so I don't watch them. It's very simple. In his latest special he made a very valid point. Ten years from now what isn't classed as offensive now could be then,so where do you draw the line as regardless of what material he uses someone will always find offensive. So may as well have a pop at everyone. Lot's of comedians are intentionally going for taboos material as they are trying to get a rise out of people. Clearly it's working as many seem to be more angry with Gervais than many actual real bad people doing horrible things in this world right now but choose a short,fat balding middle ages bloke from Reading." True. Also if I don’t like something I don’t watch it. I find that the sensible thing to do. | |||
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"There's many comedians I don't like so I don't watch them. It's very simple. In his latest special he made a very valid point. Ten years from now what isn't classed as offensive now could be then,so where do you draw the line as regardless of what material he uses someone will always find offensive. So may as well have a pop at everyone. Lot's of comedians are intentionally going for taboos material as they are trying to get a rise out of people. Clearly it's working as many seem to be more angry with Gervais than many actual real bad people doing horrible things in this world right now but choose a short,fat balding middle ages bloke from Reading. True. Also if I don’t like something I don’t watch it. I find that the sensible thing to do. " Stop being sensible Nora | |||
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"There's many comedians I don't like so I don't watch them. It's very simple. In his latest special he made a very valid point. Ten years from now what isn't classed as offensive now could be then,so where do you draw the line as regardless of what material he uses someone will always find offensive. So may as well have a pop at everyone. Lot's of comedians are intentionally going for taboos material as they are trying to get a rise out of people. Clearly it's working as many seem to be more angry with Gervais than many actual real bad people doing horrible things in this world right now but choose a short,fat balding middle ages bloke from Reading. True. Also if I don’t like something I don’t watch it. I find that the sensible thing to do. Stop being sensible Nora " I swear to god people make their lives so much harder on this site by being so uptight and worrying about what everyone else does/doesn’t do, likes/dislikes! I may not be sensible Tom but I’m realistic. | |||
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"I agree that people often mistake the subject of a joke for its target. And that seems like a valid defence for many of his jokes. However, in his latest special, I think he blurs the line. He certainly targets dwarves in it towards the end. And he is bloody obsessed with trans people. When is he going to stop making such lazy jokes about them?" Try the Billy Connolly Dwarf joke on you tube | |||
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"I loved him at the Golden Globes. Literally calling out a bunch of rich, entitled pricks to their face and making them hot under the collar while they had to pretend to laugh along "I loved that and I love Afterlife but I’ve seen bits of his older standup and didn’t rate it at all. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it? "I draw the line at blonde jokes! Totally not funny and unnecessary  | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
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"There's many comedians I don't like so I don't watch them. It's very simple. In his latest special he made a very valid point. Ten years from now what isn't classed as offensive now could be then,so where do you draw the line as regardless of what material he uses someone will always find offensive. So may as well have a pop at everyone. Lot's of comedians are intentionally going for taboos material as they are trying to get a rise out of people. Clearly it's working as many seem to be more angry with Gervais than many actual real bad people doing horrible things in this world right now but choose a short,fat balding middle ages bloke from Reading. True. Also if I don’t like something I don’t watch it. I find that the sensible thing to do. Stop being sensible Nora I swear to god people make their lives so much harder on this site by being so uptight and worrying about what everyone else does/doesn’t do, likes/dislikes! I may not be sensible Tom but I’m realistic. " Firstly, I'm not uptight about anything. I'm expressing my dislike for a style of comedy and the topics sometimes involved. I used to laugh at spastic jokes when I was a kid, until I realised how hurtful they were for my mum. Now, someone satirising a spastic joke by making it ironic or whatever Jervais said it was, doesn't mean the subject won't still hurt people like my mother. I could have laughed at the joke I just watched where Jimmy Carr jokes about Pete Davidson's dad dying in the twin towers attacks, but I didn't, because I don't find that kind of thing funny. Secondly, we don't always know what someone is going to do or say on television, or know what will pop up on our news feeds on Facebook; so we watch and form an opinion. It's alright spouting the usual don't like it don't watch it trope on here, but we have to watch occasionally or we won't know we. My opinion is as valid as anyone else's and I respect theirs. You like him, I'm not that fond of his (much the same as Jimmy Carr's) style of lazy comedy. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it? "I don't really like any comedy aimed at at anyone like that. It's how my brain is wired. I can't help it no more than I can't help crying at Lassie films. | |||
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"There's many comedians I don't like so I don't watch them. It's very simple. In his latest special he made a very valid point. Ten years from now what isn't classed as offensive now could be then,so where do you draw the line as regardless of what material he uses someone will always find offensive. So may as well have a pop at everyone. Lot's of comedians are intentionally going for taboos material as they are trying to get a rise out of people. Clearly it's working as many seem to be more angry with Gervais than many actual real bad people doing horrible things in this world right now but choose a short,fat balding middle ages bloke from Reading. True. Also if I don’t like something I don’t watch it. I find that the sensible thing to do. Stop being sensible Nora I swear to god people make their lives so much harder on this site by being so uptight and worrying about what everyone else does/doesn’t do, likes/dislikes! I may not be sensible Tom but I’m realistic. Firstly, I'm not uptight about anything. I'm expressing my dislike for a style of comedy and the topics sometimes involved. I used to laugh at spastic jokes when I was a kid, until I realised how hurtful they were for my mum. Now, someone satirising a spastic joke by making it ironic or whatever Jervais said it was, doesn't mean the subject won't still hurt people like my mother. I could have laughed at the joke I just watched where Jimmy Carr jokes about Pete Davidson's dad dying in the twin towers attacks, but I didn't, because I don't find that kind of thing funny. Secondly, we don't always know what someone is going to do or say on television, or know what will pop up on our news feeds on Facebook; so we watch and form an opinion. It's alright spouting the usual don't like it don't watch it trope on here, but we have to watch occasionally or we won't know we. My opinion is as valid as anyone else's and I respect theirs. You like him, I'm not that fond of his (much the same as Jimmy Carr's) style of lazy comedy. " Pete Davison makes that fair game because he makes the jokes himself. I can guarantee Jimmy wouldn’t say that if Pete didn’t do it himself. The first time I heard another comedian say it I was completely gobsmacked but Pete has talked about it being ok. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
I don't really like any comedy aimed at at anyone like that.
It's how my brain is wired.
I can't help it no more than I can't help crying at Lassie films."I like Milton Jones, Nanna. Simple, non-offensive and stupid one liners. I’m in a minority of one in this household, and probably on this site, but I think he’s hilarious! | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it? "Half of the time trans jokes are just transphobia. Most trans people don’t mind trans jokes; in fact half of the time we’re joking about ourselves, but the trans jokes have got old and boring and are just transphobic half the time. | |||
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"There's many comedians I don't like so I don't watch them. It's very simple. In his latest special he made a very valid point. Ten years from now what isn't classed as offensive now could be then,so where do you draw the line as regardless of what material he uses someone will always find offensive. So may as well have a pop at everyone. Lot's of comedians are intentionally going for taboos material as they are trying to get a rise out of people. Clearly it's working as many seem to be more angry with Gervais than many actual real bad people doing horrible things in this world right now but choose a short,fat balding middle ages bloke from Reading. True. Also if I don’t like something I don’t watch it. I find that the sensible thing to do. Stop being sensible Nora I swear to god people make their lives so much harder on this site by being so uptight and worrying about what everyone else does/doesn’t do, likes/dislikes! I may not be sensible Tom but I’m realistic. Firstly, I'm not uptight about anything. I'm expressing my dislike for a style of comedy and the topics sometimes involved. I used to laugh at spastic jokes when I was a kid, until I realised how hurtful they were for my mum. Now, someone satirising a spastic joke by making it ironic or whatever Jervais said it was, doesn't mean the subject won't still hurt people like my mother. I could have laughed at the joke I just watched where Jimmy Carr jokes about Pete Davidson's dad dying in the twin towers attacks, but I didn't, because I don't find that kind of thing funny. Secondly, we don't always know what someone is going to do or say on television, or know what will pop up on our news feeds on Facebook; so we watch and form an opinion. It's alright spouting the usual don't like it don't watch it trope on here, but we have to watch occasionally or we won't know we. My opinion is as valid as anyone else's and I respect theirs. You like him, I'm not that fond of his (much the same as Jimmy Carr's) style of lazy comedy. " I don’t particular like him. Mine was a general comment in reply to Tom. I have an autistic child yet no I don’t get offended as it’s not personally aimed at my child. Depends on the type of person you are I guess, we are all different. I can see the difference between real life and comedy and I very rarely let things get to me or get offended. I find life to be much calmer and happier that way. Hence my comment. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
I draw the line at blonde jokes! Totally not funny and unnecessary
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
I don't really like any comedy aimed at at anyone like that.
It's how my brain is wired.
I can't help it no more than I can't help crying at Lassie films.
I like Milton Jones, Nanna. Simple, non-offensive and stupid one liners. I’m in a minority of one in this household, and probably on this site, but I think he’s hilarious! "He is my number one favourite comedian. I bloody love him! Hilarious. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
I don't really like any comedy aimed at at anyone like that.
It's how my brain is wired.
I can't help it no more than I can't help crying at Lassie films.
I like Milton Jones, Nanna. Simple, non-offensive and stupid one liners. I’m in a minority of one in this household, and probably on this site, but I think he’s hilarious! "I like him too. Mitch Hedburg is another ti check if you like that style | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
I don't really like any comedy aimed at at anyone like that.
It's how my brain is wired.
I can't help it no more than I can't help crying at Lassie films.
I like Milton Jones, Nanna. Simple, non-offensive and stupid one liners. I’m in a minority of one in this household, and probably on this site, but I think he’s hilarious!
He is my number one favourite comedian. I bloody love him! Hilarious. "We’re *SO* compatible, Nora. FaF?  | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
I don't really like any comedy aimed at at anyone like that.
It's how my brain is wired.
I can't help it no more than I can't help crying at Lassie films.
I like Milton Jones, Nanna. Simple, non-offensive and stupid one liners. I’m in a minority of one in this household, and probably on this site, but I think he’s hilarious!
He is my number one favourite comedian. I bloody love him! Hilarious.
We’re *SO* compatible, Nora. FaF? "You know you’re the only one I never say no to Daniel | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Half of the time trans jokes are just transphobia. Most trans people don’t mind trans jokes; in fact half of the time we’re joking about ourselves, but the trans jokes have got old and boring and are just transphobic half the time."How is that different to jokes about other groups though? | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it? "Lots of humour is aimed at oneself so I disagree with this. Mr | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Half of the time trans jokes are just transphobia. Most trans people don’t mind trans jokes; in fact half of the time we’re joking about ourselves, but the trans jokes have got old and boring and are just transphobic half the time.
How is that different to jokes about other groups though? "I suppose it’s not; I’m just speaking as a trans person lol. A racist joke is just racist, a sexist joke is just sexist etc etc. I’m not a comedy fan so I don’t know what people are joking about these days but I can only assume half of it is about politics. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
I don't really like any comedy aimed at at anyone like that.
It's how my brain is wired.
I can't help it no more than I can't help crying at Lassie films.
I like Milton Jones, Nanna. Simple, non-offensive and stupid one liners. I’m in a minority of one in this household, and probably on this site, but I think he’s hilarious! "So do I. I like deadpan delivery that he's so good at. A lot of his stuff is posted on joke threads on here. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it? "Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person. And I also love Milton Jones ! | |||
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"There's many comedians I don't like so I don't watch them. It's very simple. In his latest special he made a very valid point. Ten years from now what isn't classed as offensive now could be then,so where do you draw the line as regardless of what material he uses someone will always find offensive. So may as well have a pop at everyone. Lot's of comedians are intentionally going for taboos material as they are trying to get a rise out of people. Clearly it's working as many seem to be more angry with Gervais than many actual real bad people doing horrible things in this world right now but choose a short,fat balding middle ages bloke from Reading. True. Also if I don’t like something I don’t watch it. I find that the sensible thing to do. Stop being sensible Nora I swear to god people make their lives so much harder on this site by being so uptight and worrying about what everyone else does/doesn’t do, likes/dislikes! I may not be sensible Tom but I’m realistic. Firstly, I'm not uptight about anything. I'm expressing my dislike for a style of comedy and the topics sometimes involved. I used to laugh at spastic jokes when I was a kid, until I realised how hurtful they were for my mum. Now, someone satirising a spastic joke by making it ironic or whatever Jervais said it was, doesn't mean the subject won't still hurt people like my mother. I could have laughed at the joke I just watched where Jimmy Carr jokes about Pete Davidson's dad dying in the twin towers attacks, but I didn't, because I don't find that kind of thing funny. Secondly, we don't always know what someone is going to do or say on television, or know what will pop up on our news feeds on Facebook; so we watch and form an opinion. It's alright spouting the usual don't like it don't watch it trope on here, but we have to watch occasionally or we won't know we. My opinion is as valid as anyone else's and I respect theirs. You like him, I'm not that fond of his (much the same as Jimmy Carr's) style of lazy comedy. I don’t particular like him. Mine was a general comment in reply to Tom. I have an autistic child yet no I don’t get offended as it’s not personally aimed at my child. Depends on the type of person you are I guess, we are all different. I can see the difference between real life and comedy and I very rarely let things get to me or get offended. I find life to be much calmer and happier that way. Hence my comment. "He doesn't offend me. It's practically impossible to offend me as I'm very thick skinned. I rarely find him funny. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person.
And I also love Milton Jones ! "Aye, agreed to a point. But if it’s about a topic that’s close to your heart or identity, then no matter how clever the joke is, the chances are you’ll not like it, or if you do you’ll be in a minority of your kind. Your typical “Brexiteer Gammon” isn’t going to like Nish Kumar however subtle and nuanced his gags might be for example. Substitute for any other sub-group / different comedians | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person.
And I also love Milton Jones !
Aye, agreed to a point. But if it’s about a topic that’s close to your heart or identity, then no matter how clever the joke is, the chances are you’ll not like it, or if you do you’ll be in a minority of your kind.
Your typical “Brexiteer Gammon” isn’t going to like Nish Kumar however subtle and nuanced his gags might be for example. Substitute for any other sub-group / different comedians "I think that depends on the skill of the comedian though Bill burr is famous for digging himself a hole on a topic youd think no one would find funny, and finding a way to make you laugh | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person.
And I also love Milton Jones !
Aye, agreed to a point. But if it’s about a topic that’s close to your heart or identity, then no matter how clever the joke is, the chances are you’ll not like it, or if you do you’ll be in a minority of your kind.
Your typical “Brexiteer Gammon” isn’t going to like Nish Kumar however subtle and nuanced his gags might be for example. Substitute for any other sub-group / different comedians "Surely we can all agree that Nish Kumar is awful ? | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person.
And I also love Milton Jones !
Aye, agreed to a point. But if it’s about a topic that’s close to your heart or identity, then no matter how clever the joke is, the chances are you’ll not like it, or if you do you’ll be in a minority of your kind.
Your typical “Brexiteer Gammon” isn’t going to like Nish Kumar however subtle and nuanced his gags might be for example. Substitute for any other sub-group / different comedians
I think that depends on the skill of the comedian though
Bill burr is famous for digging himself a hole on a topic youd think no one would find funny, and finding a way to make you laugh "Frankie Boyle could make me laugh joking about subjects that should not be funny. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person.
And I also love Milton Jones !
Aye, agreed to a point. But if it’s about a topic that’s close to your heart or identity, then no matter how clever the joke is, the chances are you’ll not like it, or if you do you’ll be in a minority of your kind.
Your typical “Brexiteer Gammon” isn’t going to like Nish Kumar however subtle and nuanced his gags might be for example. Substitute for any other sub-group / different comedians
I think that depends on the skill of the comedian though
Bill burr is famous for digging himself a hole on a topic youd think no one would find funny, and finding a way to make you laugh "Most of my favourite comics are American, usually Jewish or black. I have very little in common with their experiences or identity, I just find them to be very talented and funny. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person.
And I also love Milton Jones !
Aye, agreed to a point. But if it’s about a topic that’s close to your heart or identity, then no matter how clever the joke is, the chances are you’ll not like it, or if you do you’ll be in a minority of your kind.
Your typical “Brexiteer Gammon” isn’t going to like Nish Kumar however subtle and nuanced his gags might be for example. Substitute for any other sub-group / different comedians
I think that depends on the skill of the comedian though
Bill burr is famous for digging himself a hole on a topic youd think no one would find funny, and finding a way to make you laugh
Frankie Boyle could make me laugh joking about subjects that should not be funny."It’s all about the skill of the comedian isn’t it? I posted further up. Ricky’s new special had a trans joke that’s just “trans women don’t have wombs they have beards” Trans jokes done well can be funny. That one isn’t funny. It’s lazy. It’s boring. And I can see why people might find it offensive I think delivery and content is more important than topic. Anything can be funny if your funny enough | |||
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"His stand up is just a classic case of punching down and passing it off as satire or social commentary. He doesn't do it with race because he knows he wouldn't get away with it, while it's currently perfectly acceptable to joke about lgbt communities. Even if he is making some kind of 'point' - and its highly debatable there's any distinction between subject and target - he's doing so in full knowledge most of the ticket buying public are taking the jokes at absolute face value. All the while, he's stringing together sold out tours, lucrative comedy specials and series while complaining about 'cancel culture'." Very much this. He is aiming the jokes at a section of society which is already marginalised, much the way comedians in the 60s and 70s did with race and homosexuality. Punching down is not very funny. Sad as I don't mind Gervais, his body of work is generally very good. I will give this latest thing a watch and see for myself but from the clips I have seen online, it just look lazy and so far away from being "edgy" as he claims to be. | |||
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"The thing about humour, it’s *hilarious* when the things or people you’re not keen on are the butt of the joke, but when it’s the other way it’s offensive and insulting. Let’s all laugh along at Boris jokes, or Starmer jokes, or Gammon jokes, or blonde jokes, or Essex jokes, or Trans jokes, or Irish jokes, or Brexit jokes etc etc as long as it fits our own ideology.. that’s it in a nutshell isn’t it?
Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person.
And I also love Milton Jones !
Aye, agreed to a point. But if it’s about a topic that’s close to your heart or identity, then no matter how clever the joke is, the chances are you’ll not like it, or if you do you’ll be in a minority of your kind.
Your typical “Brexiteer Gammon” isn’t going to like Nish Kumar however subtle and nuanced his gags might be for example. Substitute for any other sub-group / different comedians
I think that depends on the skill of the comedian though
Bill burr is famous for digging himself a hole on a topic youd think no one would find funny, and finding a way to make you laugh
Frankie Boyle could make me laugh joking about subjects that should not be funny.
It’s all about the skill of the comedian isn’t it?
I posted further up. Ricky’s new special had a trans joke that’s just “trans women don’t have wombs they have beards”
Trans jokes done well can be funny. That one isn’t funny. It’s lazy. It’s boring. And I can see why people might find it offensive
I think delivery and content is more important than topic. Anything can be funny if your funny enough "True. There was an outtakes show of Frankie Boyle with the stuff deemed too offensive for Mock The Week and honestly it was hilarious but if anyone else was saying it I’d be completely shocked. | |||
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"Think his standup is pretty pants Saw a clip of his new one and the joke was about trans people and it basically boiled down to “trans women don’t have wombs but they do have beards” I don’t think it’s offensive, I just think it’s lazy and not funny " I've seen lots of comedians and this can apply to many of them Kevin Harts act is 90% "i'm black" & 10% "my friends are famous"- but its 0% funny! His sister Miranda basically just does 2 hours of talking shite, falling over and acting like a middle class 5 year old- i had no idea WTF the audience found funny. Same with Michael Macintyre- stupid voice, tedious act! The ones that have stood out were Reginald D Hunter, Rich Hall and got to see the last Billy Connelly tour for two nights. Even with the obvious effects of his illness, he just came alive on stage and was pure class. The thing all three of these have in common is the ability to ramble on at numerous tangents and somehow bring them all together at the end. Although, to quote the mighty Clint Eastwood..."opinions are like arseholes- everybody has one!" | |||
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"Nah, that's not it at all. Good comedy is about a clever thought process behind the humour and excellent delivery. Nothing to do with laughing at people you don't like, unless you are a particularly callous person" Completely agree. I don't recall one clever joke in his latest special. His first two specials were different in that respect. He basically just took the piss out of people and acted all, "Ooh, I'm being outrageous!" It was like a 6 year old running into the room and saying, "poo poo!" At least when he does that at the Golden Globes, he is roasting the rich and powerful. In this special he is intentionally targeting marginalised communities. | |||
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