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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Tank fly boss walk jam nitty-gritty. You're listening to the boy from the big bad Salop . This is Jim hot, this is Jim hot.

Hello! Cowabunga tattva namaste. And of course, good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening. What's on your beautiful mind? What you up to? Working? Pervin'? Lurking? Whatever you're doing, share it here. Chat with other pervy night owls and pervy night flamingos . Talk about absolutely anything you want.

Newbies, thread watchers, you're very welcome here. Very, very welcome.

Don't be shy, give us a try.

Let's nocturnal. Smileyface

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Covent Garden

Jim.

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

I’m back to post first!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not you again

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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago

London

Bum

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Bum"

Loser.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bum"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Jim."

Nero. You're tonight's ²nd ¹st poster, nice ¹!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Morning all, catching up with the f1 and some rum, how’s everyone doing

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Covent Garden


"Bum"

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By *aptain Caveman41Man
over a year ago

Home

Hi everybody

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Covent Garden


"Not you again "

Me or her?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Morning all, catching up with the f1 and some rum, how’s everyone doing "

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Rastaclau5. That's a rum deal. I'm alright.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hi everybody "

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Captain Caveman. Happy Monday! Smileyface

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Not you again

Me or her?"

Could be me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hello night owls, I like Froggy style.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" "

is the dyslexic devil emoji.

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By *eroLondonMan
over a year ago

Covent Garden

Good night all. Goodnight Jim. Cat n' 'stella.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hello night owls, I like Froggy style."

Bom, bom, bom, Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Dfun.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Good night all. Goodnight Jim. Cat n' 'stella."

Na night.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://youtu.be/34CZjsEI1yU

Diggy diggy hole

Diggy diggy hole

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On this day 1931 Whipsnade Zoo opened.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On this day 1934 American outlaws Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow, Bonnie and Clyde, were killed by police in an ambush near Sailes, Louisiana.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On this day 1998 The Good Friday Agreement was accepted in a referendum in Northern Ireland, with 75% voting yes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On this day 1968 The Beatles opened their second Apple Boutique at 161 New Kings Road, London.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On this day 1985 President Ronald Reagan awarded James Stewart the Presidential Medal of Freedom and promoted him to Major General on the Retired List.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On this day 1994 at the 47th Cannes Film Festival, Pulp Fiction, directed by Quentin Tarantino won the Palme d'Or.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On this day 2017 we lost Roger Moore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Rubins Barichello and Marvin hagler were born on this day..

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Rubins Barichello and Marvin hagler were born on this day.."

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, AboveBeyond. Thank you for the facts.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just opened another can of monster assault.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I just opened another can of monster assault. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Evening Jim

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Evening Jim "

How are you doing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Evening Jim

How are you doing?"

We’re both good thanks, hope you’re all good too!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Evening Jim

How are you doing?

We’re both good thanks, hope you’re all good too!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i think today is going to be a wonderful day.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" i think today is going to be a wonderful day. "

Happy Monday!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" i think today is going to be a wonderful day.

Happy Monday!"

You just ruined it cue Boomtown Rats.... Tellllll me why?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


" i think today is going to be a wonderful day.

Happy Monday!

You just ruined it cue Boomtown Rats.... Tellllll me why? "

Sorry.

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By *nselfishpleaserMan
over a year ago

kent

Good morning folks, hope we are all well

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Good morning folks, hope we are all well"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Aiden. How are you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hey Jim!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bet Southampton is nice this time of year.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Hey Jim! "

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening, Tilly. How are you doing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wide awake after falling asleep early!

How's you Jim?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wide awake after falling asleep early!

How's you Jim? "

I was feeling tired, now I'm feeling awake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wide awake after falling asleep early!

How's you Jim?

I was feeling tired, now I'm feeling awake."

Up infact. Ready for action. Errect one might say?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Wide awake after falling asleep early!

How's you Jim?

I was feeling tired, now I'm feeling awake.

Up infact. Ready for action. Errect one might say? "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wide awake after falling asleep early!

How's you Jim?

I was feeling tired, now I'm feeling awake.

Up infact. Ready for action. Errect one might say?

"

Pumped up almost

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wide awake after falling asleep early!

How's you Jim?

I was feeling tired, now I'm feeling awake.

Up infact. Ready for action. Errect one might say?

Pumped up almost "

Oh my!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wide awake after falling asleep early!

How's you Jim?

I was feeling tired, now I'm feeling awake.

Up infact. Ready for action. Errect one might say?

Pumped up almost

Oh my! "

Ooooooooh yeah..... And Barry White comes on the stereo, the lights dim, women become moist.

A disco ball majestically decsends fron the ceiling.

A round water bed glides out from behind a moving wall and starts to slowy rotate.....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

https://youtu.be/HDsCeC6f0zc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm awake again Jim.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It's Richard Ayoade's birthday today. Happy birthday, Richard!

How old do you think Richard Ayoade is?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I'm awake again Jim. "

I noticed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It's Bob Mortimer's birthday today. Happy birthday, Bob!

How old do you think Bob Mortimer is?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's Bob Mortimer's birthday today. Happy birthday, Bob!

How old do you think Bob Mortimer is?"

Too old for the jokes he does

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's Bob Mortimer's birthday today. Happy birthday, Bob!

How old do you think Bob Mortimer is?

Too old for the jokes he does "

I love Bob.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some retards just told me i should go to North Korea because I'm abusing free speech

I await eagerly his response to my.... I've been to a dictatorship thank you very much reply

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over a year ago


"It's Bob Mortimer's birthday today. Happy birthday, Bob!

How old do you think Bob Mortimer is?

Too old for the jokes he does

I love Bob."

Ask him out

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

It's Heidi Range's birthday today. Happy birthday, Heidi!

https://youtu.be/oJDGcxAf9D8

How old do you think Heidi Range is?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's Bob Mortimer's birthday today. Happy birthday, Bob!

How old do you think Bob Mortimer is?

Too old for the jokes he does

I love Bob.

Ask him out "

I'm too shy.

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over a year ago


"It's Bob Mortimer's birthday today. Happy birthday, Bob!

How old do you think Bob Mortimer is?

Too old for the jokes he does

I love Bob.

Ask him out

I'm too shy."

Ask Vic to ask him for you or Ulrikakakaka

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"It's Bob Mortimer's birthday today. Happy birthday, Bob!

How old do you think Bob Mortimer is?

Too old for the jokes he does

I love Bob.

Ask him out

I'm too shy.

Ask Vic to ask him for you or Ulrikakakaka"

Eranu.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's Bob Mortimer's birthday today. Happy birthday, Bob!

How old do you think Bob Mortimer is?

Too old for the jokes he does

I love Bob.

Ask him out

I'm too shy.

Ask Vic to ask him for you or Ulrikakakaka

Eranu."

Vivarvu

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

On this day 1979 Tom Petty declared himself bankrupt in an effort to free himself from his contract with Shelter Records.The music industry is notorious for its creative accounting practices and for onerous contracts that can keep even some top selling artists perpetually in debt to their record labels. In a typical recording contract, a record label advances an artist a certain sum of money against future earnings from royalties. But because the cost of things like studio time, marketing support and tour expenses must be “recouped” by the label before an artist earns any royalties, many artists who sign recording contracts never sell enough records to “earn out” their advance. Where this system truly breaks down is when a top-selling artist or group like TLC or Run-DMC finds itself deeply in debt to its record label despite having sold millions of records. Those are but two groups that have pursued a strategy made famous by Rock and Roll Hall of Fame member Tom Petty.

At the time of Tom Petty’s bankruptcy filing, he had little to show financially for the two hit albums already behind him, 1976’s Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers (featuring the hit singles Breakdown and American Girl) and 1978’s You’re Gonna Get It! Unhappy with the terms of his contract with Shelter Records, Petty seized upon the sale of Shelter by ABC to industry giant MCA as justification to declare himself, in effect, a free agent. In his own words, he would not be “bought and sold like a piece of meat.” Never mind the fact that the deal was actually a re-acquisition, since Shelter and with it Petty’s contract had actually been owned by MCA before being acquired by ABC. Petty refused to allow his next album to be released, even going so far as to bear the cost of recording it personally, leaving him some $500,000 in debt. This was when he filed for bankruptcy, hoping to gain leverage in the brewing legal dispute by having the bankruptcy court declare null and void an extremely unfavorable contract that Petty felt he had signed under duress.

Ultimately, MCA blinked, agreeing to release Petty from his existing contract but immediately re-signing him to a $3 million contract with a brand new subsidiary label created especially for this purpose. The album that Petty had held back, Damn The Torpedoes (featuring the singles Refugee and Don’t Do Me Like That), would go on to be certified Double Platinum and make Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers into true superstars. But if MCA thought that its squabbles with Petty were behind them at that point, they were sorely mistaken. In 1981, Petty once again threatened to withhold his new album, Hard Promises, when MCA announced its intention to sell it for $9.98 a full dollar more than the typical retail price at the time. Said Tom Petty at the time, “If we don’t take a stand, one of these days records are going to be $20.” And once again, MCA finally agreed, selling the album at retail for the then customary $8.98.

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever

Bram stoker published "Dracula" in 1897 , howdy ya'll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bram stoker published "Dracula" in 1897 , howdy ya'll"
wasn't that the other week? When the goth weekend was at whitby, i thought that was the whole point

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Bram stoker published "Dracula" in 1897 , howdy ya'll"

Good eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevening and howdy, Bill. It's good to have a fact I can get my teeth into.

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever


"Bram stoker published "Dracula" in 1897 , howdy ya'llwasn't that the other week? When the goth weekend was at whitby, i thought that was the whole point "
beats me i just googled,

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever

[Removed by poster at 23/05/22 04:01:31]

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever

You know us 'mericans day late and a dollar short

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You know us 'mericans day late and a dollar short"
to be fair it might be coincidence

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"You know us 'mericans day late and a dollar short"

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever

Christopher lee, or gary oldam

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over a year ago

On this day 1949 The Federal Republic of Germany (popularly known as West Germany) was formally established as a separate and independent nation. This action marked the effective end to any discussion of reuniting East and West Germany.

In the period after World War II, Germany was divided into four occupation zones, with the British, French, Americans, and Soviets each controlling one zone. The city of Berlin was also divided in a like fashion. This arrangement was supposed to be temporary, but as Cold War animosities began to harden, it became increasingly evident that the division between the communist and non-communist controlled sections of Germany and Berlin would become permanent. In May 1946, the United States halted reparation payments from West Germany to the Soviet Union. In December, the United States and Great Britain combined their occupation zones into what came to be known as Bizonia. France agreed to become part of this arrangement, and in May 1949, the three zones became one.

On May the 23rd, the West German Parliamentary Council met and formally declared the establishment of the Federal Republic of Germany. Although Konrad Adenauer, the president of the council and future president of West Germany, proudly proclaimed, “Today a new Germany arises,” the occasion was not a festive one. Many of the German representatives at the meeting were subdued, for they had harboured the faint hope that Germany might be reunified. Two communist members of the council refused to sign the proclamation establishing the new state.

The Soviets reacted quickly to the action in West Germany. In October 1949, the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) was officially announced. These actions in 1949 marked the end of any talk of a reunified Germany. For the next 41 years, East and West Germany served as symbols of the divided world, and of the Cold War animosities between the Soviet Union and the United States. In 1990, with Soviet strength ebbing and the Communist Party in East Germany steadily losing its grip on power, East and West Germany were finally reunited as one nation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gary oldman

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Christopher lee, or gary oldam"

Christopher Lee. I do like a Hammer horror.

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over a year ago


"On this day 1949 The Federal Republic of Germany (popularly known as West Germany) was formally established as a separate and independent nation. This action marked the effective end to any discussion of reuniting East and West Germany.

In the period after World War II, Germany was divided into four occupation zones, with the British, French, Americans, and Soviets each controlling one zone. The city of Berlin was also divided in a like fashion. This arrangement was supposed to be temporary, but as Cold War animosities began to harden, it became increasingly evident that the division between the communist and non-communist controlled sections of Germany and Berlin would become permanent. In May 1946, the United States halted reparation payments from West Germany to the Soviet Union. In December, the United States and Great Britain combined their occupation zones into what came to be known as Bizonia. France agreed to become part of this arrangement, and in May 1949, the three zones became one.

On May the 23rd, the West German Parliamentary Council met and formally declared the establishment of the Federal Republic of Germany. Although Konrad Adenauer, the president of the council and future president of West Germany, proudly proclaimed, “Today a new Germany arises,” the occasion was not a festive one. Many of the German representatives at the meeting were subdued, for they had harboured the faint hope that Germany might be reunified. Two communist members of the council refused to sign the proclamation establishing the new state.

The Soviets reacted quickly to the action in West Germany. In October 1949, the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) was officially announced. These actions in 1949 marked the end of any talk of a reunified Germany. For the next 41 years, East and West Germany served as symbols of the divided world, and of the Cold War animosities between the Soviet Union and the United States. In 1990, with Soviet strength ebbing and the Communist Party in East Germany steadily losing its grip on power, East and West Germany were finally reunited as one nation."

A colleague told me back in the old days, they got a train from west Germany into Berlin and it went through east germany to get there and it was blacked out and they weren't to open the curtains

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever

I googled again , at one time they had dracula with a moustache

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"On this day 1949 The Federal Republic of Germany (popularly known as West Germany) was formally established as a separate and independent nation. This action marked the effective end to any discussion of reuniting East and West Germany.

In the period after World War II, Germany was divided into four occupation zones, with the British, French, Americans, and Soviets each controlling one zone. The city of Berlin was also divided in a like fashion. This arrangement was supposed to be temporary, but as Cold War animosities began to harden, it became increasingly evident that the division between the communist and non-communist controlled sections of Germany and Berlin would become permanent. In May 1946, the United States halted reparation payments from West Germany to the Soviet Union. In December, the United States and Great Britain combined their occupation zones into what came to be known as Bizonia. France agreed to become part of this arrangement, and in May 1949, the three zones became one.

On May the 23rd, the West German Parliamentary Council met and formally declared the establishment of the Federal Republic of Germany. Although Konrad Adenauer, the president of the council and future president of West Germany, proudly proclaimed, “Today a new Germany arises,” the occasion was not a festive one. Many of the German representatives at the meeting were subdued, for they had harboured the faint hope that Germany might be reunified. Two communist members of the council refused to sign the proclamation establishing the new state.

The Soviets reacted quickly to the action in West Germany. In October 1949, the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) was officially announced. These actions in 1949 marked the end of any talk of a reunified Germany. For the next 41 years, East and West Germany served as symbols of the divided world, and of the Cold War animosities between the Soviet Union and the United States. In 1990, with Soviet strength ebbing and the Communist Party in East Germany steadily losing its grip on power, East and West Germany were finally reunited as one nation.

A colleague told me back in the old days, they got a train from west Germany into Berlin and it went through east germany to get there and it was blacked out and they weren't to open the curtains "

Blimey.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I googled again , at one time they had dracula with a moustache "

I think you're trying to big up moustaches.

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever


"On this day 1949 The Federal Republic of Germany (popularly known as West Germany) was formally established as a separate and independent nation. This action marked the effective end to any discussion of reuniting East and West Germany.

In the period after World War II, Germany was divided into four occupation zones, with the British, French, Americans, and Soviets each controlling one zone. The city of Berlin was also divided in a like fashion. This arrangement was supposed to be temporary, but as Cold War animosities began to harden, it became increasingly evident that the division between the communist and non-communist controlled sections of Germany and Berlin would become permanent. In May 1946, the United States halted reparation payments from West Germany to the Soviet Union. In December, the United States and Great Britain combined their occupation zones into what came to be known as Bizonia. France agreed to become part of this arrangement, and in May 1949, the three zones became one.

On May the 23rd, the West German Parliamentary Council met and formally declared the establishment of the Federal Republic of Germany. Although Konrad Adenauer, the president of the council and future president of West Germany, proudly proclaimed, “Today a new Germany arises,” the occasion was not a festive one. Many of the German representatives at the meeting were subdued, for they had harboured the faint hope that Germany might be reunified. Two communist members of the council refused to sign the proclamation establishing the new state.

The Soviets reacted quickly to the action in West Germany. In October 1949, the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) was officially announced. These actions in 1949 marked the end of any talk of a reunified Germany. For the next 41 years, East and West Germany served as symbols of the divided world, and of the Cold War animosities between the Soviet Union and the United States. In 1990, with Soviet strength ebbing and the Communist Party in East Germany steadily losing its grip on power, East and West Germany were finally reunited as one nation.

A colleague told me back in the old days, they got a train from west Germany into Berlin and it went through east germany to get there and it was blacked out and they weren't to open the curtains "

an scared they might look out upon the commie paradise,

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever


"I googled again , at one time they had dracula with a moustache

I think you're trying to big up moustaches."

just t can't see bela lugosi with a 'stache

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"On this day 1949 The Federal Republic of Germany (popularly known as West Germany) was formally established as a separate and independent nation. This action marked the effective end to any discussion of reuniting East and West Germany.

In the period after World War II, Germany was divided into four occupation zones, with the British, French, Americans, and Soviets each controlling one zone. The city of Berlin was also divided in a like fashion. This arrangement was supposed to be temporary, but as Cold War animosities began to harden, it became increasingly evident that the division between the communist and non-communist controlled sections of Germany and Berlin would become permanent. In May 1946, the United States halted reparation payments from West Germany to the Soviet Union. In December, the United States and Great Britain combined their occupation zones into what came to be known as Bizonia. France agreed to become part of this arrangement, and in May 1949, the three zones became one.

On May the 23rd, the West German Parliamentary Council met and formally declared the establishment of the Federal Republic of Germany. Although Konrad Adenauer, the president of the council and future president of West Germany, proudly proclaimed, “Today a new Germany arises,” the occasion was not a festive one. Many of the German representatives at the meeting were subdued, for they had harboured the faint hope that Germany might be reunified. Two communist members of the council refused to sign the proclamation establishing the new state.

The Soviets reacted quickly to the action in West Germany. In October 1949, the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) was officially announced. These actions in 1949 marked the end of any talk of a reunified Germany. For the next 41 years, East and West Germany served as symbols of the divided world, and of the Cold War animosities between the Soviet Union and the United States. In 1990, with Soviet strength ebbing and the Communist Party in East Germany steadily losing its grip on power, East and West Germany were finally reunited as one nation.

A colleague told me back in the old days, they got a train from west Germany into Berlin and it went through east germany to get there and it was blacked out and they weren't to open the curtains an scared they might look out upon the commie paradise,"

It was probably to stop em nicking ze germans kit.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I googled again , at one time they had dracula with a moustache

I think you're trying to big up moustaches. just t can't see bela lugosi with a 'stache"

Nah. Dracula should be clean shaven.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I googled again , at one time they had dracula with a moustache

I think you're trying to big up moustaches. just t can't see bela lugosi with a 'stache"

He said the name https://youtu.be/zq7xyjU-jsU

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By *ildbillkidMan
over a year ago

where the road goes on forever

Writer w.e.b. griffin wrote some novels about this time period, the last one "the enemy of my enemy" mentions the train "the berliner" said the same thing about the curtains not being opened

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"Writer w.e.b. griffin wrote some novels about this time period, the last one "the enemy of my enemy" mentions the train "the berliner" said the same thing about the curtains not being opened "

I would actually presume it was so they wouldn't know how many troops were changing over, going on leave etc. They must have known what units.

Even into the 90s Recce guys could tell you what soviet unit was what by the variation of armour they used.

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"On this day 1979 Tom Petty declared himself bankrupt in an effort to free himself from his contract with Shelter Records.The music industry is notorious for its creative accounting practices and for onerous contracts that can keep even some top selling artists perpetually in debt to their record labels. In a typical recording contract, a record label advances an artist a certain sum of money against future earnings from royalties. But because the cost of things like studio time, marketing support and tour expenses must be “recouped” by the label before an artist earns any royalties, many artists who sign recording contracts never sell enough records to “earn out” their advance. Where this system truly breaks down is when a top-selling artist or group like TLC or Run-DMC finds itself deeply in debt to its record label despite having sold millions of records. Those are but two groups that have pursued a strategy made famous by Rock and Roll Hall of Fame member Tom Petty.

At the time of Tom Petty’s bankruptcy filing, he had little to show financially for the two hit albums already behind him, 1976’s Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers (featuring the hit singles Breakdown and American Girl) and 1978’s You’re Gonna Get It! Unhappy with the terms of his contract with Shelter Records, Petty seized upon the sale of Shelter by ABC to industry giant MCA as justification to declare himself, in effect, a free agent. In his own words, he would not be “bought and sold like a piece of meat.” Never mind the fact that the deal was actually a re-acquisition, since Shelter and with it Petty’s contract had actually been owned by MCA before being acquired by ABC. Petty refused to allow his next album to be released, even going so far as to bear the cost of recording it personally, leaving him some $500,000 in debt. This was when he filed for bankruptcy, hoping to gain leverage in the brewing legal dispute by having the bankruptcy court declare null and void an extremely unfavorable contract that Petty felt he had signed under duress.

Ultimately, MCA blinked, agreeing to release Petty from his existing contract but immediately re-signing him to a $3 million contract with a brand new subsidiary label created especially for this purpose. The album that Petty had held back, Damn The Torpedoes (featuring the singles Refugee and Don’t Do Me Like That), would go on to be certified Double Platinum and make Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers into true superstars. But if MCA thought that its squabbles with Petty were behind them at that point, they were sorely mistaken. In 1981, Petty once again threatened to withhold his new album, Hard Promises, when MCA announced its intention to sell it for $9.98 a full dollar more than the typical retail price at the time. Said Tom Petty at the time, “If we don’t take a stand, one of these days records are going to be $20.” And once again, MCA finally agreed, selling the album at retail for the then customary $8.98."

I hate these long posts.

Blah blah too fckin looong. (Never does a blowjobber say that usually)

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"On this day 1979 Tom Petty declared himself bankrupt in an effort to free himself from his contract with Shelter Records.The music industry is notorious for its creative accounting practices and for onerous contracts that can keep even some top selling artists perpetually in debt to their record labels. In a typical recording contract, a record label advances an artist a certain sum of money against future earnings from royalties. But because the cost of things like studio time, marketing support and tour expenses must be “recouped” by the label before an artist earns any royalties, many artists who sign recording contracts never sell enough records to “earn out” their advance. Where this system truly breaks down is when a top-selling artist or group like TLC or Run-DMC finds itself deeply in debt to its record label despite having sold millions of records. Those are but two groups that have pursued a strategy made famous by Rock and Roll Hall of Fame member Tom Petty.

At the time of Tom Petty’s bankruptcy filing, he had little to show financially for the two hit albums already behind him, 1976’s Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers (featuring the hit singles Breakdown and American Girl) and 1978’s You’re Gonna Get It! Unhappy with the terms of his contract with Shelter Records, Petty seized upon the sale of Shelter by ABC to industry giant MCA as justification to declare himself, in effect, a free agent. In his own words, he would not be “bought and sold like a piece of meat.” Never mind the fact that the deal was actually a re-acquisition, since Shelter and with it Petty’s contract had actually been owned by MCA before being acquired by ABC. Petty refused to allow his next album to be released, even going so far as to bear the cost of recording it personally, leaving him some $500,000 in debt. This was when he filed for bankruptcy, hoping to gain leverage in the brewing legal dispute by having the bankruptcy court declare null and void an extremely unfavorable contract that Petty felt he had signed under duress.

Ultimately, MCA blinked, agreeing to release Petty from his existing contract but immediately re-signing him to a $3 million contract with a brand new subsidiary label created especially for this purpose. The album that Petty had held back, Damn The Torpedoes (featuring the singles Refugee and Don’t Do Me Like That), would go on to be certified Double Platinum and make Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers into true superstars. But if MCA thought that its squabbles with Petty were behind them at that point, they were sorely mistaken. In 1981, Petty once again threatened to withhold his new album, Hard Promises, when MCA announced its intention to sell it for $9.98 a full dollar more than the typical retail price at the time. Said Tom Petty at the time, “If we don’t take a stand, one of these days records are going to be $20.” And once again, MCA finally agreed, selling the album at retail for the then customary $8.98.

I hate these long posts.

Blah blah too fckin looong. (Never does a blowjobber say that usually)"

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