FabSwingers.com forum: What can be done to stop pitch invasions.

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

People have been injured at the Man City game. It looks rather ugly and spoils what was a good match.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fences around stands? Like in Europe?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fences around stands? Like in Europe?"

Yes I think so but that has dangers too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fences around stands? Like in Europe?"

There was a fairly big reason these were taken down in this country.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fences around stands? Like in Europe?

There was a fairly big reason these were taken down in this country."

But that was when we didn't have seating. There has to be something that can be done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fences around stands? Like in Europe?

There was a fairly big reason these were taken down in this country.

But that was when we didn't have seating. There has to be something that can be done. "

Yes - people can behave themselves and the clubs can spend more money on security.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fences around stands? Like in Europe?

There was a fairly big reason these were taken down in this country."

Oh yeah. Was just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fences around stands? Like in Europe?

There was a fairly big reason these were taken down in this country.

But that was when we didn't have seating. There has to be something that can be done.

Yes - people can behave themselves and the clubs can spend more money on security."

But fans aren't behaving themselves and there is no major deterrent.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much."

Agreed but that doesn't happen.

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By *hilledGuerillaMan
over a year ago

In the monkey house

New rule that if the pitch is evaded it costs the team 3 points.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much."

Maybe need to go one step further- if a clubs fans do invade the pitch then all supporters from that club be banned from a certain number of future games. Maybe once they start to miss out it will deter them in the future

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By *he Secret Tea PartyCouple
over a year ago

London

Stop them coming in high on drugs in the first place.

Fences came down for a reason

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fences around stands? Like in Europe?

There was a fairly big reason these were taken down in this country.

But that was when we didn't have seating. There has to be something that can be done.

Yes - people can behave themselves and the clubs can spend more money on security.

But fans aren't behaving themselves and there is no major deterrent. "

Then we're all doomed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"New rule that if the pitch is evaded it costs the team 3 points. "

I do think it's come to a time now where something like this will have to happen. So far reports are that a female steward was knocked out, A young boy was trampled and someone was tipped out of their wheelchair. There were kids sat on the goal!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New rule that if the pitch is evaded it costs the team 3 points. "

Everton have been evading the pitch all year!

Their fans have not Invdaded though or they’d be relegated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New rule that if the pitch is evaded it costs the team 3 points. "
how many Liverpool fans would’ve got hold of tickets to the city match today? Lol

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

Or just set up a sentry post with armed snipers (USA prison style) in the four corners of the ground with the guards permitted to shoot on sight!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New rule that if the pitch is evaded it costs the team 3 points.

Repeat offenders will be missing the points!

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By *he Secret Tea PartyCouple
over a year ago

London

"Or just set up a sentry post with armed snipers (USA prison style) in the four corners of the ground with the guards permitted to shoot on sight!"

This would work actually

Punishments won't as lunatics will always be lunatics

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Or just set up a sentry post with armed snipers (USA prison style) in the four corners of the ground with the guards permitted to shoot on sight!

This would work actually

Punishments won't as lunatics will always be lunatics

This is true and you always get 1 or 2 however this was ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Or just set up a sentry post with armed snipers (USA prison style) in the four corners of the ground with the guards permitted to shoot on sight!"

Could use the same tactic to address off side. Probably less controversial than VAR

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By *he Secret Tea PartyCouple
over a year ago

London

"Punishments won't as lunatics will always be lunatics

This is true and you always get 1 or 2 however this was ridiculous. "

I've been to plenty of matches with no pitch invasion of any sort.

Since the beer stopped the drug usage has soared

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By *aughty_Smooth_OperatorMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

No one was interested in looking at the screen which clearly said please leave the pith. So fences should come in next season I say

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Scrap football.

Simple!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How many games has this happened at each year? It's always at the end of the season. Make the clubs spend more money on actual police rather than stewards on the games where this is likely to happen (ie last games of the season, cup games etc).

Problem solved. Bringing back fences would be a huge mistake.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"How many games has this happened at each year? It's always at the end of the season. Make the clubs spend more money on actual police rather than stewards on the games where this is likely to happen (ie last games of the season, cup games etc).

Problem solved. Bringing back fences would be a huge mistake."
It's actually happened at more games this season than season than in the last 5 put together. What's just mass invasions like this but lots of small ones to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Problem solved. Bringing back fences would be a huge mistake. It's actually happened at more games this season than season than in the last 5 put together. What's just mass invasions like this but lots of small ones to. "

You're pointing out lots of problems but not coming up with any solutions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Points deductions for any team whos fans invade the pitch its would stamp it out in seconds if a team gets relegated or looses the title because of it the fans would stamp it out all by there selves a bit like team drills for kids one kids messes around the team are punished and that kid is either shamed into behaving or made to behave by the rest or he stops coming all together but nobody would be that brave too much about £££££££££

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"People have been injured at the Man City game. It looks rather ugly and spoils what was a good match. "

Snipers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"New rule that if the pitch is evaded it costs the team 3 points.

Everton have been evading the pitch all year!

Their fans have not Invdaded though or they’d be relegated

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price you pay would soon learn

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

Dig a moat around the pitch. If they want to invade the it, they can do so medieval style

LvM

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You're pointing out lots of problems but not coming up with any solutions."

It's not my job to come up with solutions! This is a simple discussion thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're pointing out lots of problems but not coming up with any solutions.

It's not my job to come up with solutions! This is a simple discussion thread. "

What would you do OP?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You're pointing out lots of problems but not coming up with any solutions.

It's not my job to come up with solutions! This is a simple discussion thread.

What would you do OP?"

Points deductions, fan bans, They shouldn't be allowed now to have the cup celebration. This is serious people have been badly injured and the Aston Villa goalkeeper attacked.

It isn't just a few people getting over excited.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're pointing out lots of problems but not coming up with any solutions.

It's not my job to come up with solutions! This is a simple discussion thread.

What would you do OP?

Points deductions, fan bans, They shouldn't be allowed now to have the cup celebration. This is serious people have been badly injured and the Aston Villa goalkeeper attacked.

It isn't just a few people getting over excited. "

You should write to the Premier League and suggest this.

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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago

Craggy Island

Fans have only just been back in the ground...the stadium just needs to remind people over the tannoy and tell people then threaten people with bans and it should settle down.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

You're pointing out lots of problems but not coming up with any solutions.

It's not my job to come up with solutions! This is a simple discussion thread.

What would you do OP?

Points deductions, fan bans, They shouldn't be allowed now to have the cup celebration. This is serious people have been badly injured and the Aston Villa goalkeeper attacked.

It isn't just a few people getting over excited.

You should write to the Premier League and suggest this."

I will repeat again this is a simple discussion thread, I didn't say I could solve this or was going to do anything about it. But if we could keep on topic that would be great.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nothing will be done either way

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Fans have only just been back in the ground...the stadium just needs to remind people over the tannoy and tell people then threaten people with bans and it should settle down. "

There were tannoy announcements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I will repeat again this is a simple discussion thread, I didn't say I could solve this or was going to do anything about it. But if we could keep on topic that would be great.

Sorry. I thought you asked what could be done to stop pitch invasions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're pointing out lots of problems but not coming up with any solutions.

It's not my job to come up with solutions! This is a simple discussion thread.

What would you do OP?

Points deductions, fan bans, They shouldn't be allowed now to have the cup celebration. This is serious people have been badly injured and the Aston Villa goalkeeper attacked.

It isn't just a few people getting over excited.

You should write to the Premier League and suggest this.

I will repeat again this is a simple discussion thread, I didn't say I could solve this or was going to do anything about it. But if we could keep on topic that would be great.

Is there a point to this thread?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are dicks, such a shame. I’m not sure that anything can be done

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People are dicks, such a shame. I’m not sure that anything can be done "

Of course something can be done it's just whether or not clubs and the FA will do it. Players and staff are now regularly attacked on the pitch and if this was any other workplace something urgently would be done.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are dicks, such a shame. I’m not sure that anything can be done

Tom will start a proper thread about this once it is all over the news.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People are dicks, such a shame. I’m not sure that anything can be done

Tom will start a proper thread about this once it is all over the news.

Could you stop commenting on all my threads saying they are pointless please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are dicks, such a shame. I’m not sure that anything can be done

Tom will start a proper thread about this once it is all over the news.

Could you stop commenting on all my threads saying they are pointless please. "

Sorry I though this was the follow up pointless to fill up as quickly as possible thread. The pitched filled up quickly did it not? Why not the thread? So just asking about the point?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"People are dicks, such a shame. I’m not sure that anything can be done

Tom will start a proper thread about this once it is all over the news.

Could you stop commenting on all my threads saying they are pointless please.

Sorry I though this was the follow up pointless to fill up as quickly as possible thread. The pitched filled up quickly did it not? Why not the thread? So just asking about the point? "

The point is in the title of the thread. Do you have anything to say about it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"People are dicks, such a shame. I’m not sure that anything can be done

Tom will start a proper thread about this once it is all over the news.

Could you stop commenting on all my threads saying they are pointless please.

Sorry I though this was the follow up pointless to fill up as quickly as possible thread. The pitched filled up quickly did it not? Why not the thread? So just asking about the point?

The point is in the title of the thread. Do you have anything to say about it?"

Yes i do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

The FA warned clubs 2 days ago they needed to take swift action to stop pitch invasions or face stern disciplinary action. It will be interesting to see what disciplinary action is carried out against Manchester City.

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By *ot-AshMan
over a year ago

London

A lot of fans clearly seem to have forgotten how to behave at a football match.

Only the other night Sheffield utd player Billy Sharp was head butted and knock out by invading Nottingham forest fans which was a disgrace..

The suits at the FA need to come up with something during the summer to stop this happening before something more serious happens...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of fans clearly seem to have forgotten how to behave at a football match.

Only the other night Sheffield utd player Billy Sharp was head butted and knock out by invading Nottingham forest fans which was a disgrace..

The suits at the FA need to come up with something during the summer to stop this happening before something more serious happens...

This

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By *irtydevil666Man
over a year ago

bristol

Points deductions for invading pitch...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Points deductions for invading pitch..."

Agreed but I just don't think that's ever gonna happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Points deductions for invading pitch..."

They could deduct one point to make a statement and City would still win. 2 point then 3 then 4 for repeat offences from next season onwards.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

I think we’ve been here before and now it has become a ‘thing’ again it will be here for the foreseeable.

I would be zero tolerance on this - which is why they wouldn’t ever let me decide

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"New rule that if the pitch is evaded it costs the team 3 points.

Apparently Frank lampard approves of pitch invasions.

The entire bench invaded the pitch. Not making excuses for the idiots but maybe the clubs can set a better example as a first step.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Go back to having security fences fitted, they can't invade the pitch then.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

I think perhaps the time has come to look at perhaps playing more matches at 12.00 pm as opposed to between 3.00pm to 8.00 pm.My thinking is a lot of the incidents could be alcohol related so by having a earlier kickoff with pubs and bars near the ground closed this could help.Also it really is up to the fans to behave themselves footballers come in for some stick when they step out of line how they are earning £millions each year and so should be better role models now the fans should be better role models setting good examples to their families who could also be at the game.In the same way we expect players representing our teams and countries to be good role models surely we should expect the same of our fans after all they are also representing their team and countries.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Points deductions for invading pitch...

Agreed but I just don't think that's ever gonna happen. "
it wont the legal teams would be on it in seconds

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Go back to having security fences fitted, they can't invade the pitch then."

There is a reason we don't have fences though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The FA warned clubs 2 days ago they needed to take swift action to stop pitch invasions or face stern disciplinary action. It will be interesting to see what disciplinary action is carried out against Manchester City. "
£20 fine

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I think perhaps the time has come to look at perhaps playing more matches at 12.00 pm as opposed to between 3.00pm to 8.00 pm.My thinking is a lot of the incidents could be alcohol related so by having a earlier kickoff with pubs and bars near the ground closed this could help.Also it really is up to the fans to behave themselves footballers come in for some stick when they step out of line how they are earning £millions each year and so should be better role models now the fans should be better role models setting good examples to their families who could also be at the game.In the same way we expect players representing our teams and countries to be good role models surely we should expect the same of our fans after all they are also representing their team and countries."

A legal substance seem to be more of a growing problem.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much.

Agreed but that doesn't happen. "

Ok, ban pitch games, ban spectators, televised only.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much.

Agreed but that doesn't happen.

Ok, ban pitch games, ban spectators, televised only."

This might be a daft question… But if they ban pitch games, what would they televise?

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By *yourselfMan
over a year ago

Heworth

20 point deduction for the clubs involved. That would make the fans think twice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1st Ban the fans and anyone associated with them (family andfriends). A proper ban, unlike the ones that are issued now (a Millwall I once knew was banned and just carried on going). Punish the fans in the section they came from. That twat who came on the pitch at West Ham had the living shit rightly beaten out of him when the stewards returned him to the section he came from. Guaranteed to stop anyone helping or encourage anyone is the threat of losing their season ticket as well.

2nd - Proper searches (pay security better) - Too much taking is visibly done by the fans now. Put drug testing sensors on the ticket readers. Actually quite cheap and have to be used to get in.

3rd - Any fans who come on the pitch. Match abandoned and rewarded to the opposing team.

4th Bring back the fences. It would be my first mitigating decision. Hillsborough will always be the reason not to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Deep trench between the seating area and the pitch with angled walls made of a non-grip substance. Any problems in the seating area and fans can slide down into it and escape via exits away from pitch side, but they won't be able to climb the pitch side wall. Then a low fence on the pitch side to prevent players falling down into the trench.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"1st Ban the fans and anyone associated with them (family andfriends). A proper ban, unlike the ones that are issued now (a Millwall I once knew was banned and just carried on going). Punish the fans in the section they came from. That twat who came on the pitch at West Ham had the living shit rightly beaten out of him when the stewards returned him to the section he came from. Guaranteed to stop anyone helping or encourage anyone is the threat of losing their season ticket as well.

2nd - Proper searches (pay security better) - Too much taking is visibly done by the fans now. Put drug testing sensors on the ticket readers. Actually quite cheap and have to be used to get in.

3rd - Any fans who come on the pitch. Match abandoned and rewarded to the opposing team.

4th Bring back the fences. It would be my first mitigating decision. Hillsborough will always be the reason not to.

Totally agree with your second point.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

If people are being injured and assaulted then is that club a safe place as per the local council who license such things..

If the club's can't stop this happening then a ban on supporters for one game initially, and increased if further such incidents occur maybe might get the club's to increase steward numbers..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

2nd - Proper searches (pay security better) - Too much taking is visibly done by the fans now. Put drug testing sensors on the ticket readers. Actually quite cheap and have to be used to get in.

3rd - Any fans who come on the pitch. Match abandoned and rewarded to the opposing team.

4th Bring back the fences. It would be my first mitigating decision. Hillsborough will always be the reason not to.

Totally agree with your second point. "

That’s crossing the line!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If people are being injured and assaulted then is that club a safe place as per the local council who license such things..

If the club's can't stop this happening then a ban on supporters for one game initially, and increased if further such incidents occur maybe might get the club's to increase steward numbers.."

Injured fans. Class action against the club for failure of duty if care and the council for failing to enforce safety standards and the FA for simply being shit. Kerching! (For the lawyers anyway).

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much.

Agreed but that doesn't happen.

Ok, ban pitch games, ban spectators, televised only.

This might be a daft question… But if they ban pitch games, what would they televise? "

Not daft at all. No game no invasion. If you allow the game, no spectators, hence televise it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much.

Agreed but that doesn't happen.

Ok, ban pitch games, ban spectators, televised only.

This might be a daft question… But if they ban pitch games, what would they televise?

Not daft at all. No game no invasion. If you allow the game, no spectators, hence televise it."

But if there is no game. What are you televising?

I know what you mean btw - i’m just taking the piss.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect"

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

Wembley have a metal railing system in place it runs around the pitch it’s not impossible to get on but it’s a deterrent and if we put fences back up we’d be going back to the dark ages of English football point of note hillsborough was caused because the police commander lost control and opened the gates yea fences caused the death but I think it was more the fact the police panicked would that happen again now as most stadiums are all seater ?

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By *al kalMan
over a year ago

london

"People have been injured at the Man City game. It looks rather ugly and spoils what was a good match. "

Instil a moat around the pitch….. it works for castles doesn’t it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much.

Agreed but that doesn't happen.

Ok, ban pitch games, ban spectators, televised only.

This might be a daft question… But if they ban pitch games, what would they televise?

Not daft at all. No game no invasion. If you allow the game, no spectators, hence televise it.

But if there is no game. What are you televising?

I know what you mean btw - i’m just taking the piss. "

From on or off the pitch?..

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic. "

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much.

Agreed but that doesn't happen.

Ok, ban pitch games, ban spectators, televised only.

This might be a daft question… But if they ban pitch games, what would they televise?

Not daft at all. No game no invasion. If you allow the game, no spectators, hence televise it.

But if there is no game. What are you televising?

I know what you mean btw - i’m just taking the piss.

From on or off the pitch?..

From behind the telly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair."

I think the point has been clearly missed.

The rowing slowed down a lot once the fans and firms got on the disco biscuits!

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over a year ago

"Anyone taking part, permanent ban all grounds. Of course the easy answer is sensible people but that's asking too much.

Agreed but that doesn't happen.

Ok, ban pitch games, ban spectators, televised only.

This might be a daft question… But if they ban pitch games, what would they televise?

Not daft at all. No game no invasion. If you allow the game, no spectators, hence televise it.

But if there is no game. What are you televising?

I know what you mean btw - i’m just taking the piss.

From on or off the pitch?..

From behind the telly

See, works a treat!..

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

I think the point has been clearly missed.

The rowing slowed down a lot once the fans and firms got on the disco biscuits! "
I think the police upped their game and had proper intel on the main boys along with new powers to jail them helped not because the stone island Burberry wearing idiots took E

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over a year ago

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

I think the point has been clearly missed.

The rowing slowed down a lot once the fans and firms got on the disco biscuits! I think the police upped their game and had proper intel on the main boys along with new powers to jail them helped not because the stone island Burberry wearing idiots took E"

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

I think the point has been clearly missed.

really? and the same intel and powers are not working now because?

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over a year ago

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

I think the point has been clearly missed.

really? and the same intel and powers are not working now because?"

Because they are not being used in the same way. Football matches are no longer policed by the police in the same way.

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over a year ago

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

I think the point has been clearly missed.

really? and the same intel and powers are not working now because?"

People who take e are easily caught by cctv. But Charlie makes you invisible. And a bit of skag gives you superpowers allegedly.

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

I think the point has been clearly missed.

really? and the same intel and powers are not working now because?"
yes really the police had/has units set up football intelligence units they know who the trouble causes are believe me they have the powers to make you hand you’re passports in when England are playing they can give you banning orders who’ve on match days you argent allowed in a 5 mile radius of the ground unfortunately it won’t stop dick heads running on the pitch but having said that I’m sure the intelligence officers will be looking at the cctv and a few doors will be going in

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

" Because they are not being used in the same way. Football matches are no longer policed by the police in the same way. "

i have been going to football matches regularly for over four decades now which is why i can safely say that your post is wholey wrong

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over a year ago

" Because they are not being used in the same way. Football matches are no longer policed by the police in the same way.

i have been going to football matches regularly for over four decades now which is why i can safely say that your post is wholey wrong

I went to a football match recently at a huge London stadium and there were police officers at the tube station but didn't see any at the ground.

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over a year ago

" Because they are not being used in the same way. Football matches are no longer policed by the police in the same way.

i have been going to football matches regularly for over four decades now which is why i can safely say that your post is wholey wrong

I went to a football match recently at a huge London stadium and there were police officers at the tube station but didn't see any at the ground. "

Policing inside the stadium has to be paid for by the club, if any is even available.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

" Because they are not being used in the same way. Football matches are no longer policed by the police in the same way.

i have been going to football matches regularly for over four decades now which is why i can safely say that your post is wholey wrong

I went to a football match recently at a huge London stadium and there were police officers at the tube station but didn't see any at the ground. "

you not noticing the police presence at a match recently is different to the matches you were going to in the late 80's in what way?

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over a year ago

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

I think the point has been clearly missed.

really? and the same intel and powers are not working now because? yes really the police had/has units set up football intelligence units they know who the trouble causes are believe me they have the powers to make you hand you’re passports in when England are playing they can give you banning orders who’ve on match days you argent allowed in a 5 mile radius of the ground unfortunately it won’t stop dick heads running on the pitch but having said that I’m sure the intelligence officers will be looking at the cctv and a few doors will be going in

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By *arlomaleMan
over a year ago

darlington

"raving put a stop to football violence .... putting a stop to raving is now having the equal and opposite effect

That is two completely separate things,also often a very different demographic.

i disagree, i think you are clearly just too young to remember what affect the second summer of love had on football to be fair.

I think the point has been clearly missed.

Thought the point was what changed the scene 30 years ago. Agro has not reached the 80s scale ever since. Whilst the police were getting more clued up - they were far from the level of sophistication they have now. It was obvs not all down the rave, but scene did play some part for sure. There has been quite a bit of academic research on the matter. "
I’ve seen that part in rise of the footsoldier where Carlton leech says Es stopped the violence it probably did in the nightclubs but certainly not on match days on the terraces

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over a year ago

" Because they are not being used in the same way. Football matches are no longer policed by the police in the same way.

i have been going to football matches regularly for over four decades now which is why i can safely say that your post is wholey wrong

I went to a football match recently at a huge London stadium and there were police officers at the tube station but didn't see any at the ground.

you not noticing the police presence at a match recently is different to the matches you were going to in the late 80's in what way?"

I never said I was going to matches in the late eighties! as I was only 7 when the eighties ended.

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

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I don’t know. I saw a news report that commented on more effective stewarding, and I thought to myself “good luck with that one” after witnessing the recent violence. Stewards can’t be dealing with that, it’s not safe for them nor practical.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"you not noticing the police presence at a match recently is different to the matches you were going to in the late 80's in what way?

I never said I was going to matches in the late eighties! as I was only 7 when the eighties ended. "

then you're not in any position to comment on the difference between policing then and now in that case.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

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over a year ago

"you not noticing the police presence at a match recently is different to the matches you were going to in the late 80's in what way?

I never said I was going to matches in the late eighties! as I was only 7 when the eighties ended.

then you're not in any position to comment on the difference between policing then and now in that case."

Yes I can and please stop telling me what I can and cannot comment on.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

" Yes I can and please stop telling me what I can and cannot comment on. "

you can comment as much as you like and i'll feel free to correct you when you are wrong as i have already done

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Yes I can and please stop telling me what I can and cannot comment on.

you can comment as much as you like and i'll feel free to correct you when you are wrong as i have already done

Please don’t tell us what you can correct. That’s not fair. Diddums

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground."

The Manchester Half Marathon and 10k was happening on the same day, finishing only a short time before the kick off at Etihad. I'm not sure of the wisdom of having two such huge events on the same day, at almost the same time. One or other of the events should have moved to a different day.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground."

Intelligence officers? An oxymoron surely in some cases. Bubbles the chimp could have predicted pitch invasions today.

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over a year ago

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

To be fair though England does not have a huge reputation for runner hooliganism. There might be the odd fishery one, but they generally don’t out in shop windows or turn over a pub cause they don’t get a PB

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

" Because they are not being used in the same way. Football matches are no longer policed by the police in the same way.

i have been going to football matches regularly for over four decades now which is why i can safely say that your post is wholey wrong

I went to a football match recently at a huge London stadium and there were police officers at the tube station but didn't see any at the ground. "

They will have been there, but not necessarily highly visible during the match. Most of my football spectating has been/is at small, lower league grounds and there's always a decent police presence. My team's stadium has a capacity of just over 16,000 and home games are around 5-7,000 usually. We have police there and the chance of disorder is miniscule.

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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

Electric cattle fencing, for warning of course that it’s live...maybe

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over a year ago

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

They couldn't have moved the Match because every single premiership match is played at the same time on the final game of the final game of the season. The 1/2 marathon and 10k were to mark the anniversary of the arena bombing so really neither could be moved.

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By *cotty1376Man
over a year ago

PRESTON

"Electric cattle fencing, for warning of course that it’s live...maybe

^^^^this

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

The police were stretched rather thin. Due to the incredibly busy city centre (full of event participants, spectators etc) plus people trying to travel to the Etihad but with loads of road closures, police had a very difficult job in Manchester today, just with the sheer volume of people.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

Why couldn't the premier league season finish on a Saturday, like it did for years and years?

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over a year ago

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

Precisely! Manchester is trying to be UK’s 2nd City and a global stage. So it should be able to police a few big things at once. How many Prem games where there in London? They seem to manage. Not as if these things were decided upon a few days ago on a whim.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

It would require a little more police funding then. We don't have anywhere near as many as London and GM Police cover the entire GM region, which is huge. That included a bunch of other football games too, by the way.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Also we don't have the public transport infrastructure to support these things. Today, we took the bus from the park and ride. Normally there are two buses, at 15min intervals. Today, only 1 bus, starting partway down the line and only half hourly. Many major arterial roads were closed, including those to the Etihad within about 45mins of kick off. Trains - one an hour, not accessible due to the number of stations with steps and the Metroliner does not serve the two largest towns in the GM region. It only serves a fraction of the population.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

*Metrolink

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

if the GM police felt they were too stretched, they have the power to dictate to the club what day any match is played.

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over a year ago

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

To be fair there is A population difference of 5 million people.

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By *bony-delightMan
over a year ago

Fuck town

"Kids were sat on the goal post"

My question was how did the kids get unto the goal post?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

Still these things are planned months in advance. Someone screwed up and didn't anticipate the Mancs behaviour. The club, the council, the FA and the Police could have all been better prepared. But they were not, and the milk has been spilled. So all that can be done now is to mop it up and try to do better next time.

Why can’t Manchester fund its own policing requirements? Is it not a thriving metropolis? Why does it plan events that it cannot cope with? Are there news articles about this in other cities? (There could well be I’ve not looked tbh)

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over a year ago

""Kids were sat on the goal post"

My question was how did the kids get unto the goal post? "

They climed I guess.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

To be fair there is A population difference of 5 million people. "

GM has far fewer if you work it out per head of population. Metropolitan has far more officers as a ratio to the population of their area of responsibility.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

the fifth richest football club in the world with an annual revenue of £549 million can't afford enough policing at a game? really?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

Police funding comes from central Government, so perhaps our illustrious (London based) Parliament can explain why GM police has so few officers, per capita, compared to Metropolitan?

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over a year ago

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

To be fair there is A population difference of 5 million people.

GM has far fewer if you work it out per head of population. Metropolitan has far more officers as a ratio to the population of their area of responsibility. "

Fair enough. Maybe Manchester should refrain from trying to act the big boy city then until it can fund safety and plan large events properly? Leave the big events to a city that can ensure public safety?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"the fifth richest football club in the world with an annual revenue of £549 million can't afford enough policing at a game? really?"

You can't buy what isn't there. GM police don't bother investigating serious crime (see recent reports and the removal of a few key personnel) so no matter how much money Man City have, they can't seek more GM police than there are officers. Private security has its own issues too.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

Police funding comes from central Government, so perhaps our illustrious (London based) Parliament can explain why GM police has so few officers, per capita, compared to Metropolitan?"

the police charge for the policing of sporting events. it's not been taxpayer funded for a very long time.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

To be fair there is A population difference of 5 million people.

GM has far fewer if you work it out per head of population. Metropolitan has far more officers as a ratio to the population of their area of responsibility.

Central Government funds the police. This is why northern areas feel hard done to (among a million other reasons). We can't magic more money if BoJo and chums don't allocate it.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

Police funding comes from central Government, so perhaps our illustrious (London based) Parliament can explain why GM police has so few officers, per capita, compared to Metropolitan?

the police charge for the policing of sporting events. it's not been taxpayer funded for a very long time."

GM police has far fewer officers than metropolitan, for ANY reason. Football clubs can't employ or pay for non existent police, can they?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

To be fair there is A population difference of 5 million people.

GM has far fewer if you work it out per head of population. Metropolitan has far more officers as a ratio to the population of their area of responsibility. "

Actually no, If you look at the number of officers covering London and the number of officers covering greater Manchester it's about the same per head.

But anyway violence at football is just because of lack of police it's more complex than that.

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

Police funding comes from central Government, so perhaps our illustrious (London based) Parliament can explain why GM police has so few officers, per capita, compared to Metropolitan?

the police charge for the policing of sporting events. it's not been taxpayer funded for a very long time.

GM police has far fewer officers than metropolitan, for ANY reason. Football clubs can't employ or pay for non existent police, can they?"

they regularly draft officers in from other forces when required. it's the norm. today the police were caught napping and the pitch invaders took advantage of the situation.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Metropolitan = 32,954 officers for approx 9,000,000 people

GM = 7,086 for approx 2,500,000 people.

That's 3,661.5 officers per million in the Metropolitan area. 2834.4 for GM. That's a big difference, per million of population.

Yes, there's other reasons for pitch invasions but people complaining about policing etc need to consider that we do have far fewer of the yellow jacketed people up here. And we have far more than just Man U and Man C requiring match day policing.

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

People calling for policing, they won't be able to do anything anyway. It's not like the old days where they could batter them back. If they're over zealous keeping d*unk intruders off the pitch, the TV footage and phone cams will be all over Twitter and the officer will be suspended by Monday morning.

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over a year ago

"People calling for policing, they won't be able to do anything anyway. It's not like the old days where they could batter them back. If they're over zealous keeping d*unk intruders off the pitch, the TV footage and phone cams will be all over Twitter and the officer will be suspended by Monday morning. "

This is why I think the FA needs to step in.

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"Metropolitan = 32,954 officers for approx 9,000,000 people

GM = 7,086 for approx 2,500,000 people.

That's 3,661.5 officers per million in the Metropolitan area. 2834.4 for GM. That's a big difference, per million of population.

You forget that London also has a huge amount of nationally important facilities and government functions to protect. Not just the population. So the comparison is not quite apples to apples.

But anyway, the invasions happened in Manchester not London or so it seems. So a Manchester problem to solve?

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By *ealthy_and_HungMan
over a year ago

Princes Risborough, Luasanne, Alderney

to be fair there's been an increase in pitch invasions across the country .... and an increase in ground disturbances abroad too so it seems

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have a general in a golf buggy like in Tekeshi's Castle. If they invade he can round them up and penetrate their rings

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By *actilemale4uMan
over a year ago

London

A 7ft deep 7ft wide trench around the pitch

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

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"Metropolitan = 32,954 officers for approx 9,000,000 people

GM = 7,086 for approx 2,500,000 people.

That's 3,661.5 officers per million in the Metropolitan area. 2834.4 for GM. That's a big difference, per million of population.

You forget that London also has a huge amount of nationally important facilities and government functions to protect. Not just the population. So the comparison is not quite apples to apples.

But anyway, the invasions happened in Manchester not London or so it seems. So a Manchester problem to solve?"

Wembley managed to "allow" a mass invasion of ticketless fans during the Euros, so no, it's not just a Manchester thing.

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"Metropolitan = 32,954 officers for approx 9,000,000 people

GM = 7,086 for approx 2,500,000 people.

That's 3,661.5 officers per million in the Metropolitan area. 2834.4 for GM. That's a big difference, per million of population.

You forget that London also has a huge amount of nationally important facilities and government functions to protect. Not just the population. So the comparison is not quite apples to apples.

But anyway, the invasions happened in Manchester not London or so it seems. So a Manchester problem to solve?

Wembley managed to "allow" a mass invasion of ticketless fans during the Euros, so no, it's not just a Manchester thing. "

That was then. This is now. Was there an invasion in London today?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

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"Metropolitan = 32,954 officers for approx 9,000,000 people

GM = 7,086 for approx 2,500,000 people.

That's 3,661.5 officers per million in the Metropolitan area. 2834.4 for GM. That's a big difference, per million of population.

You forget that London also has a huge amount of nationally important facilities and government functions to protect. Not just the population. So the comparison is not quite apples to apples.

But anyway, the invasions happened in Manchester not London or so it seems. So a Manchester problem to solve?

Wembley managed to "allow" a mass invasion of ticketless fans during the Euros, so no, it's not just a Manchester thing.

That was then. This is now. Was there an invasion in London today? "

Is the OP only about pitch invasions on 22 May 2022? Any specific time, or will "PM (general)" suffice? Note, you may thus omit the pitch invasion that occurred at 11:59 at the game in Dukinfield between the Cock and Balls Second XI vs Dog and Partridge Reserves.

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over a year ago

"Metropolitan = 32,954 officers for approx 9,000,000 people

GM = 7,086 for approx 2,500,000 people.

That's 3,661.5 officers per million in the Metropolitan area. 2834.4 for GM. That's a big difference, per million of population.

You forget that London also has a huge amount of nationally important facilities and government functions to protect. Not just the population. So the comparison is not quite apples to apples.

But anyway, the invasions happened in Manchester not London or so it seems. So a Manchester problem to solve?

Wembley managed to "allow" a mass invasion of ticketless fans during the Euros, so no, it's not just a Manchester thing.

That was then. This is now. Was there an invasion in London today?

The Cock & Ball Casuals are a force of nature. Can’t overlook their impact on policing for sure.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

33 from closure. OP’s goals before midnight might be achieved this time.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"it was pretty clear a pitch invasion was going to happen at the man city match. it appears greater manchester police were caught napping despite them having a large presence at the ground.

And to be fair they probably only knew a few days before hand that these events were happening so probably didn't have a chance to complete the risk assessment necessary.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

""Kids were sat on the goal post"

My question was how did the kids get unto the goal post? "

That's nice. Must have made mum and dad proud.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would say fines and games behind closed doors to start with. After that, points deductions for the teams.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would say fines and games behind closed doors to start with. After that, points deductions for the teams."

Oh, and if that doesn't work, then transfer bans

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"A 7ft deep 7ft wide trench around the pitch"

Or at least build a bunker in the centre circle which the players and officials can use when their safety is threatened

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Police too busy investigating partygate at a cost of £500,000 to put extra cops at football matches.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

"Scrap football.

Simple!"

I disagree.

Football does a great job keeping lots of people well away from whatever I want to be doing!

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over a year ago

It is illegal to run onto the pitch, arrest and charge

Obviously you will get small number but will be deterrent

Also,, categorise more games as high risk,and police properly

The mega rich clubs don't want to pay for this and be held to ransom by police costs

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

The premiership is awash with money. The least they can do is ensure their fans who are breaking the law, with drink drugs violence behaviour are consequenced and that their customers are safe (for those not in the first category).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

C’mon everybody we need a thread invasion to close this down before midnight!!!!!

Blues, Reds, unite for the cause. Fk the police!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"C’mon everybody we need a thread invasion to close this down before midnight!!!!!

Blues, Reds, unite for the cause. Fk the police! "

Meh

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By *dward_TeagueMan
over a year ago

wolverhampton

I follow my team home and away and the thing I’ve noticed in the last couple of years is an increase in the use of . Guys have several beers and then a few lines, that’s part of the problem.

I get why fans invade the pitch when there’s something to celebrate. It’s an end of season thing, it doesn’t happen in December! The lack of police doesn’t help and stewards are powerless, it seems to me that they concentrate on keeping rival fans apart rather than stopping them getting on the pitch in the first place. Attacking players is wrong as is goading rival managers/coaches until they react as was seen with Patrick Viera this week.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I actually blame the security industry.

SIA licencing has made the door/event side of security completely not worth bothering with.

Static and retail working for a company they will do all your licencing etc. And the money is crap but at least the hours are available.

It's just no longer viable to pay for renewals, upskilling, extra training for a part time job.

And it shows in how useless security staff are getting.

Just look at the state of most of them.

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over a year ago

"The premiership is awash with money. The least they can do is ensure their fans who are breaking the law, with drink drugs violence behaviour are consequenced and that their customers are safe (for those not in the first category).

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)

I think that there are two issues here.

Firstly it’s the ongoing issue with bad behaviour at and associated with football. Namely drink, drugs and violence.

Secondly it’s the actual pitch invasion, which I don’t really see as an issue, it’s a celebration and in the two instances this week, I’d argue as being justified.

If you remove the first aspect, the second isn’t a problem, it’s just joyous. After all, isn’t that what football is about?

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