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Ukraine Regugees on the Streets

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

After falling fowl of their hosts.. what's going on here guys...

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Which news is this all over, Tom?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

It's all over the news...

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London

Is this anything to do with reports of single men over the age of 40 signing up to host single women in their 20s and 30s?

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"It's all over the news..."

Which news?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Google it and it'll come up. Can't say I'm massively surprised to be honest. A lot of people will have offered as a knee jerk reaction without actually thinking how it'd work out in reality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes unfortunately this is happening a lot at the moment because placements are breaking down.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Is this really happening...

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Google it and it'll come up. Can't say I'm massively surprised to be honest. A lot of people will have offered as a knee jerk reaction without actually thinking how it'd work out in reality. "

Essex Tom predicted this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Google it and it'll come up. Can't say I'm massively surprised to be honest. A lot of people will have offered as a knee jerk reaction without actually thinking how it'd work out in reality. "

^ this really. The *theory* is often, in many walks of life, very different to the *reality*. It’s a shame of course and I hope that those displaced can be found alternative arrangements, but I don’t think I’d allow strangers into my house tbf, whatever the situation (I try to help in other ways - I’m not a total uncaring cu*t, like)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this really happening...

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It is as I've seen in a couple of local Facebook groups,one single lady and one family desperately asking for accommodation because because their hosts have said they can't stay anymore. You have to agree to host anyone for at least text anyone for at least 6 months when you sign up but it seems this isn't always happening.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Do it is happening

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"Is this really happening...

It is as I've seen in a couple of local Facebook groups,one single lady and one family desperately asking for accommodation because because their hosts have said they can't stay anymore. You have to agree to host anyone for at least text anyone for at least 6 months when you sign up but it seems this isn't always happening. "

Did they give reasons?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/25/ukrainian-refugee-left-homeless-after-uk-host-demanded-bill-money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is this really happening...

It is as I've seen in a couple of local Facebook groups,one single lady and one family desperately asking for accommodation because because their hosts have said they can't stay anymore. You have to agree to host anyone for at least text anyone for at least 6 months when you sign up but it seems this isn't always happening.

Did they give reasons?"

One said it was because the host said her daughter was too loud! The other didn't I don't think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe I’m a pessimist but I’m not sure I can believe all the arguments or reasons

On the north circular, there is a guy with a pretend limp that just puts his trainer on sideways who used to be from Romania. Earlier today he was desperately fleeing Ukrain and needed money for his family.

I can’t help but think that too many dodgy people and scammers are trying to cash in on these poor peoples struggles. Makes it hard for me to believe everything I see/read

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/25/ukrainian-refugee-left-homeless-after-uk-host-demanded-bill-money"

Aren't the hosts getting paid for housing refugees?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing is that these are people, not simply refugees. Just because you've had your home bombed it doesn't make you a nice person a considerate person, a caring person. Most people are tolerable in small doses when you can go back to the peace and quiet of your own home. Very few are bearable to live with.

Mr

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/25/ukrainian-refugee-left-homeless-after-uk-host-demanded-bill-money

Aren't the hosts getting paid for housing refugees?"

They get 350 pounds a month as a gift from the government. It does however say when you sign up you do not have to pay for food or any costs at all and can ask for bill money. Local councils do have a fund for this but it up £50 a week for energy bills for one person is just taking the piss.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In France I think they have managed it better but many towns and villages have empty properties.

The local mayor is responsible for housing the families and they may spend some time with volunteer hosts but only until a house or apartment has been refurbished to be suitable.

Community groups work out of a central resource centre where families can meet, furniture can be donated and clothes and toys can be set up in a shop type manner so families can come shopping and choose for themselves. Similarly the children can choose their own toys and videos. They are all very traumatised and worried about family and friends that are left behind, especially those fighting.

The government has made it possible for local areas to issue residence cards, health cards, sims for mobile phones, debit cards to receive their gov allowance and school places. Near to me is a redundant school that has been renovated by volunteers to house several families and be a community resource centre. They women and children have already planted fruit and vegetables for additional food.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/25/ukrainian-refugee-left-homeless-after-uk-host-demanded-bill-money

Aren't the hosts getting paid for housing refugees?

They get 350 pounds a month as a gift from the government. It does however say when you sign up you do not have to pay for food or any costs at all and can ask for bill money. Local councils do have a fund for this but it up £50 a week for energy bills for one person is just taking the piss. "

So you'll only be given refuge if you have money to pay bills?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not being funny, but isn’t Spain full of entire empty communities, flats, houses, villas etc? How come places like that aren’t ever put to use for the aid of the stricken?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/25/ukrainian-refugee-left-homeless-after-uk-host-demanded-bill-money

Aren't the hosts getting paid for housing refugees?

They get 350 pounds a month as a gift from the government. It does however say when you sign up you do not have to pay for food or any costs at all and can ask for bill money. Local councils do have a fund for this but it up £50 a week for energy bills for one person is just taking the piss.

So you'll only be given refuge if you have money to pay bills?

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No, So hosts are given a gift but on but on top of that be Ukrainians guests can get funds from the local council to cover any costs until they can claim benefits or get work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The thing is that these are people, not simply refugees. Just because you've had your home bombed it doesn't make you a nice person a considerate person, a caring person. Most people are tolerable in small doses when you can go back to the peace and quiet of your own home. Very few are bearable to live with.

Mr"

The most common reasons apparently seem to be the language barrier, And in some cases Ukrainian guests basically seem to be expected to be free domestic staff. This was always going to happen though.

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/25/ukrainian-refugee-left-homeless-after-uk-host-demanded-bill-money

Aren't the hosts getting paid for housing refugees?

They get 350 pounds a month as a gift from the government. It does however say when you sign up you do not have to pay for food or any costs at all and can ask for bill money. Local councils do have a fund for this but it up £50 a week for energy bills for one person is just taking the piss.

So you'll only be given refuge if you have money to pay bills?

No, So hosts are given a gift but on but on top of that be Ukrainians guests can get funds from the local council to cover any costs until they can claim benefits or get work. "

Oh right.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli

I read something the other day about someone being kicked out because they asked them for rent and obviously they had nothing to give them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I read something the other day about someone being kicked out because they asked them for rent and obviously they had nothing to give them"

Hosts are not actually allowed to ask for housing costs such as rent however they can ask for costs towards bills and food.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"After falling fowl of their hosts.. what's going on here guys..."

Oh dear Tom, they’re from Ukraine, they’re not turkeys…

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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago

East London


"I read something the other day about someone being kicked out because they asked them for rent and obviously they had nothing to give them"

Ridiculous. They should have lodgers if they're only after money.

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli


"I read something the other day about someone being kicked out because they asked them for rent and obviously they had nothing to give them

Hosts are not actually allowed to ask for housing costs such as rent however they can ask for costs towards bills and food. "

It's same though really, it's still money to go towards something no matter what they say it's for

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By *iscean_dreamMan
over a year ago

Llanelli


"I read something the other day about someone being kicked out because they asked them for rent and obviously they had nothing to give them

Ridiculous. They should have lodgers if they're only after money."

Yeah I agree, I don't think anyone that's not in a position to help out from own pocket shouldn't offer really. They're going to need anything they've entitled to so they can buy things when they eventually rebuild their homes and need things

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who’d have thought it ? I did wonder why so many virtue signalling people were up for a Ukrainian refugee but not for a cross channel refugee as they are all holed up in britannias around the country .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Not being funny, but isn’t Spain full of entire empty communities, flats, houses, villas etc? How come places like that aren’t ever put to use for the aid of the stricken? "

Because the UK has no control over Spanish properties maybe?

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

This is really sad.

I think setting up communal residences for them would have been much better (although probably harder to find suitable properties) with a house manager. That way they would have been amongst folk who had been through what they had been through, and had a manager there to arrange/sort out any issues they may have with regard to getting money in etc. It would have been much more supportive to their needs. Maybe?

I think the recent increase in bills probably has folk worried about the extra useage that having someone in their home would bring. Like others have said, the offer was an ill thought out spontaneous decision. Mostly with good intentions, albeit always get twits who abuse these situations. Just very sad it has come to this for those who have been through so much already.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Don't tell the home office, they'll probably try round them up, box them up and send them to Rwanda by Hermes. And that's the last thing you need after being deeply traumatised, losing everything and away from your home and roots.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Remember a Ukrainian isn't just for Christmas.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Maybe it's because the Ukrainians think their hosts are weirdos...

Safer on the street than in a strange house

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Maybe it's because the Ukrainians think their hosts are weirdos...

Safer on the street than in a strange house"

Did yours leave you a Dear Tom letter?

Don't take it to heart, I'm sure you're just misunderstood.

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By *urvySub87Woman
over a year ago

Near Wellingborough


"Not being funny, but isn’t Spain full of entire empty communities, flats, houses, villas etc? How come places like that aren’t ever put to use for the aid of the stricken? "

My parents live in a small village in Spain out in the sticks and the village has taken on 2 Ukrainian families. They speak a little English but no Spanish so the small English community in the village are trying to help them out as much as possible. My mum sent chocolates to the children for Easter.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan
over a year ago

derby


"Not being funny, but isn’t Spain full of entire empty communities, flats, houses, villas etc? How come places like that aren’t ever put to use for the aid of the stricken?

My parents live in a small village in Spain out in the sticks and the village has taken on 2 Ukrainian families. They speak a little English but no Spanish so the small English community in the village are trying to help them out as much as possible. My mum sent chocolates to the children for Easter."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny how Russia invades... Sorry carries out a specual millitary operation against Ukraine, and everyone is handing out aid and help, flooding their country with state of the art weaponry, but no one gave a shit about them sending lead downrange at the folks in Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West


"Funny how Russia invades... Sorry carries out a specual millitary operation against Ukraine, and everyone is handing out aid and help, flooding their country with state of the art weaponry, but no one gave a shit about them sending lead downrange at the folks in Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014. "

Which side are you referring to in 2014, please?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Funny how Russia invades... Sorry carries out a specual millitary operation against Ukraine, and everyone is handing out aid and help, flooding their country with state of the art weaponry, but no one gave a shit about them sending lead downrange at the folks in Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014.

Which side are you referring to in 2014, please?"

You are aware Donetsk and Luhansk kicked the Ukrainian government out, and there's been a low level war with the Ukrainians using units like the A3ov regiment, Donbas battalion and other slightly unbalanced and dodgy units, who have no respect for human rights, general decency or anything else?

You know those ones.

You should see some of A3ovs home movies on their own website and twitter.

Torch lit executions where they crucify and burn a sepratist alive and firing into random buildings and houses on the way out of Donbas spring to mind.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Funny how Russia invades... Sorry carries out a specual millitary operation against Ukraine, and everyone is handing out aid and help, flooding their country with state of the art weaponry, but no one gave a shit about them sending lead downrange at the folks in Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014.

Which side are you referring to in 2014, please?

You are aware Donetsk and Luhansk kicked the Ukrainian government out, and there's been a low level war with the Ukrainians using units like the A3ov regiment, Donbas battalion and other slightly unbalanced and dodgy units, who have no respect for human rights, general decency or anything else?

You know those ones.

You should see some of A3ovs home movies on their own website and twitter.

Torch lit executions where they crucify and burn a sepratist alive and firing into random buildings and houses on the way out of Donbas spring to mind. "

What's any of this got to do with Ukrainian refugees being kicked out by their hosts?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Funny how Russia invades... Sorry carries out a specual millitary operation against Ukraine, and everyone is handing out aid and help, flooding their country with state of the art weaponry, but no one gave a shit about them sending lead downrange at the folks in Donetsk and Luhansk since 2014.

Which side are you referring to in 2014, please?

You are aware Donetsk and Luhansk kicked the Ukrainian government out, and there's been a low level war with the Ukrainians using units like the A3ov regiment, Donbas battalion and other slightly unbalanced and dodgy units, who have no respect for human rights, general decency or anything else?

You know those ones.

You should see some of A3ovs home movies on their own website and twitter.

Torch lit executions where they crucify and burn a sepratist alive and firing into random buildings and houses on the way out of Donbas spring to mind.

What's any of this got to do with Ukrainian refugees being kicked out by their hosts?"

Thanks for proving my point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"After falling fowl of their hosts.. what's going on here guys..."

you mean 'foul', the last thing they are is chickens.

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