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Then, I finish work and watch this:
BBC News - Man with guide dog twice refused access by Tesco
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61468496
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
So, we (the disabled people of the world) beseech that everyone does their bit. Where you see overt discrimination, challenge it. Where you see a lack of access or obviously ridiculous design that obstructs certain people from participating in something - speak up. Give feedback.
Lots of discrimination is "low level" and ingrained societally. It's not having a fold up ramp to get into the shop. It's putting the displays so close together that wheelchair users and visually impaired people cannot safely navigate. It's having fixed bench seating with nowhere for a wheelchair user to roll up and put their legs under the table. Etc.
Our gripes are very mobility-impaired and autism specific, but as the BBC video highlights, all manner of disabled people are routinely impacted by discrimination.
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My local shops must be completely unnavigable for anyone in a wheelchair. What's the best way to say something, do you think? I assume they're under pressure to put the latest displays up but there's little room on foot much less if you're on wheels. | |||
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My local shops must be completely unnavigable for anyone in a wheelchair. What's the best way to say something, do you think? I assume they're under pressure to put the latest displays up but there's little room on foot much less if you're on wheels. "Just politely ask to speak to a supervisor or manager and say you'd like to offer some constructive feedback. Suggest alternatives if possible, like wall mounted racks rather than dress rails on wheels in clothes shop. Noticing that the base of mannequins often takes up a lot of square centimetres so think about how close they place other items. Obviously I don't know what kind of shop, but any good retailer should want to be inclusive and accept constructive feedback. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " And this attitude is exactly what's wrong with the world, I'm afraid. The man had no business approaching a person half in/out of their car. If he'd waited 2 minutes, he'd have witnessed me unload my wheelchair. My badge was already in the window. You'd have plenty to say if the majority of your local high street was inaccessible to you and you had to plan every single trip out in minute detail and STILL find that you can't do what you'd planned, because when you ask "is this wheelchair accessible", the answer "yes" should be taken with a massive sack of salt. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " If that were permitted, then no business would bother to provide what can be expensive access. Fortunately there are laws against such blatant disregard of a not small minority of the population. I look forward to the day when they're enforced properly. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " I'm sure if that man saw Tyson Fury parking on a yellow line he'd helpfully tell him to move on. | |||
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"I support you guys daily by making sure part M of the building regs is followed Last year I suggested a change that resulted in the entire build being updated to give better access. We followed through with the change even though it meant going back through 100s of already finished (and some lived in) plots and cost us an arm and a leg " Yes! This is exactly what we're on about. Thank you for your work  | |||
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"I hate to say it, but if you listed your average day of disability discrimination acts against you, so many people would say oh yes, didn't think about that obstruction like that... Keep bringing us awareness as that's the only way we can wake up and change
"And then we're told we should be grateful, that we're just complaining, that others have it worse, etc. I don't just speak for myself. And if we complained about all the shit, we'd be here all day. Even just the fucking indignity sometimes. | |||
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"I hate to say it, but if you listed your average day of disability discrimination acts against you, so many people would say oh yes, didn't think about that obstruction like that... Keep bringing us awareness as that's the only way we can wake up and change
And then we're told we should be grateful, that we're just complaining, that others have it worse, etc.
I don't just speak for myself. And if we complained about all the shit, we'd be here all day. Even just the fucking indignity sometimes. "Buy people who don't care yes I can see that, but some of us want to be more aware. We open kids eyes everyday to disability discrimination by spreading a little awareness. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " Please just read very carefully what you've just written. All public places whether government or commercial should be accessible to the public whoever they are. The give and take you mention is nonsense. That could only possibly apply when the world is accessible to everyone. At the moment it's still predominantly an able-bodied and neurotypical world in this country. Others are just expected to somehow 'fit in'. | |||
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"I hate to say it, but if you listed your average day of disability discrimination acts against you, so many people would say oh yes, didn't think about that obstruction like that... Keep bringing us awareness as that's the only way we can wake up and change
And then we're told we should be grateful, that we're just complaining, that others have it worse, etc.
I don't just speak for myself. And if we complained about all the shit, we'd be here all day. Even just the fucking indignity sometimes.
Buy people who don't care yes I can see that, but some of us want to be more aware. We open kids eyes everyday to disability discrimination by spreading a little awareness."Yes. We need awareness. But also I'm tired  | |||
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"I hate to say it, but if you listed your average day of disability discrimination acts against you, so many people would say oh yes, didn't think about that obstruction like that... Keep bringing us awareness as that's the only way we can wake up and change
And then we're told we should be grateful, that we're just complaining, that others have it worse, etc.
I don't just speak for myself. And if we complained about all the shit, we'd be here all day. Even just the fucking indignity sometimes.
Buy people who don't care yes I can see that, but some of us want to be more aware. We open kids eyes everyday to disability discrimination by spreading a little awareness."It's often obvious when people simply haven't thought of something vs people being deliberately discriminatory and of course, one deals with different scenarios as appropriate. In the case of children (who might stare, point or even laugh), I might invite a conversation via their accompanying adult or something. Too many adults shush their inquisitive child and rush them along, like it's a bad thing to see, which is counterproductive. It reinforces the idea that people who are "different" in some way are to be ignored or you shouldn't speak to them etc. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. Please just read very carefully what you've just written. All public places whether government or commercial should be accessible to the public whoever they are. The give and take you mention is nonsense. That could only possibly apply when the world is accessible to everyone. At the moment it's still predominantly an able-bodied and neurotypical world in this country. Others are just expected to somehow 'fit in'. " What you say is not strictly correct, all organisations open to the public have a duty to make reasonable adjustments to enable access to their buildings but it's not an absolute requirement e.g. if the cost of adapting a building would be excessive it doesn't have to be done. | |||
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"I hate to say it, but if you listed your average day of disability discrimination acts against you, so many people would say oh yes, didn't think about that obstruction like that... Keep bringing us awareness as that's the only way we can wake up and change
And then we're told we should be grateful, that we're just complaining, that others have it worse, etc.
I don't just speak for myself. And if we complained about all the shit, we'd be here all day. Even just the fucking indignity sometimes.
Buy people who don't care yes I can see that, but some of us want to be more aware. We open kids eyes everyday to disability discrimination by spreading a little awareness.
It's often obvious when people simply haven't thought of something vs people being deliberately discriminatory and of course, one deals with different scenarios as appropriate. In the case of children (who might stare, point or even laugh), I might invite a conversation via their accompanying adult or something. Too many adults shush their inquisitive child and rush them along, like it's a bad thing to see, which is counterproductive. It reinforces the idea that people who are "different" in some way are to be ignored or you shouldn't speak to them etc."
In my world (not a competition, just a different facet), as long as I keep myself quiet and small, I usually "pass" as "normal". But it's exhausting to make myself pass, and I'm not always successful. And if I out myself, I risk becoming the freak show museum piece... Or told that I'll grow out of it or that I need to be stronger or fuck knows what else. Or it's not that bad. Or stop being so difficult.
The world is allegedly give and take, as stated above. But you dare express that you have a need and people come down on you like a tonne of bricks. (Or, in my case, ask if I've been vaccinated. Yes I've had my MMRs, fuck off with your fascist conspiracy bullshit. All the way off. Further.) | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. Please just read very carefully what you've just written. All public places whether government or commercial should be accessible to the public whoever they are. The give and take you mention is nonsense. That could only possibly apply when the world is accessible to everyone. At the moment it's still predominantly an able-bodied and neurotypical world in this country. Others are just expected to somehow 'fit in'. What you say is not strictly correct, all organisations open to the public have a duty to make reasonable adjustments to enable access to their buildings but it's not an absolute requirement e.g. if the cost of adapting a building would be excessive it doesn't have to be done." What's not correct? My opinion is that all should be. I appreciate the costs involved. But there's plenty that can be done even in older buildings. For example, it's a commercial decision in shops that aisle widths are kept to a minimum which makes wheelchair access difficult. Even if it is just navigable the wheelchair user is hit in the face with the clothes etc. on the displays. And has someone mentioned earlier, even existing law isn't followed such as refusing access to people with guide dogs. | |||
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"Not here to be a bit look at me but just sharing that I work for a well known retailer. A wheelchair user came through my checkout and I made sure I packed for him, lowered the card machine to his height even carried his shopping out to his vehicle for him and put on the passenger seat for him. It’s just what we would do in our store for any customer with any additional needs. He was so happy and said I’d made his day. Not everyone is as unhelpful as you’d think. I will always ask first what assistance they may need if any, I know my friend hates when people assume what she needs and they push her chair for her. It freaks her out. The world should be more inclusive not just of disabilities but neurodivergence and also gender but hey we can dream. " Most staff in shops etc are indeed lovely and helpful. I made firm friends with a lady in my lovely bug brand supermarket, who encouraged her employer to make access improvements during the COVID restrictions. The store had made a previously 100% accessible place into an absolute nightmare. As for pushing my chair unless I ask for it, to me, it's no different to someone grabbing you by the arm and dragging you in the direction they choose. It's happened to me so many times and it's a) petrifying, b) often painful because my chair has fold away handles so people have come up behind me and effectively punched me in the spine by shoving the soft fabric of the chair and c) it's demeaning. This morning, I had to ask for help to get into a solicitors office (massive step with an extra lip on it). I asked. They helped. I got in, I went out. All smiles. But if someone had started pushing me otherwise, I'd have lost my shit. Unfortunately, despite many very positive encounters, when every day involves some level of struggling against "the system" and often the prejudices of others (in person, online etc), you do start be worn down by it. | |||
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"Mrs I take my hat off to you! You’re such a strong, ballsy woman and I wouldn’t want to be on the end of your wrath. As you know I have now become a member of the stick/crutch club and the bus to work every morning is a nightmare. Today I stood up for the second time in just over a week because (and I quote a particularly vocal man) “they want to be treated the same why should I offer my seat when I was here first) alright pal, I have a brain/muscle problem, I'm not a leper (lol), was tutted at for dropping my suitcase as I didn’t have enough hands and really that’s absolutely nothing compared to some peoples day to day. I’d love to magic some people to have a disability just for a day. They’d quickly change their tune. "GG, I'm sorry you've had these experiences on your daily journeys. It's not acceptable at all. You rock your walking aids - wield them with pride, I say | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " All public buildings are meant to have been reasonably adjusted to be accessible. You do not need to be not able bodied to qualify for a blue parking badge. There is absolutely no reason why the world shouldn’t try to cater for disabled people. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " And that right there is part of the problem! You could bet your ass you wouldn't be saying that if if was your demographic who were being discriminated against on a daily basis. Her blue badge was on her dashboard and someone saw fit to question her, that isn't that person being an ally to disabled people so please don't make excuses | |||
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My local shops must be completely unnavigable for anyone in a wheelchair. What's the best way to say something, do you think? I assume they're under pressure to put the latest displays up but there's little room on foot much less if you're on wheels.
Just politely ask to speak to a supervisor or manager and say you'd like to offer some constructive feedback. Suggest alternatives if possible, like wall mounted racks rather than dress rails on wheels in clothes shop. Noticing that the base of mannequins often takes up a lot of square centimetres so think about how close they place other items. Obviously I don't know what kind of shop, but any good retailer should want to be inclusive and accept constructive feedback."There are several nearby that I think have issues. My dad is in a wheelchair, I pay more attention than I used to because of that and it should be that way. | |||
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"Every little helps!
My local shops must be completely unnavigable for anyone in a wheelchair. What's the best way to say something, do you think? I assume they're under pressure to put the latest displays up but there's little room on foot much less if you're on wheels.
Just politely ask to speak to a supervisor or manager and say you'd like to offer some constructive feedback. Suggest alternatives if possible, like wall mounted racks rather than dress rails on wheels in clothes shop. Noticing that the base of mannequins often takes up a lot of square centimetres so think about how close they place other items. Obviously I don't know what kind of shop, but any good retailer should want to be inclusive and accept constructive feedback.
There are several nearby that I think have issues. My dad is in a wheelchair, I pay more attention than I used to because of that and it should be that way. "Correction: it shouldn't be that way. We should pay attention anyway. | |||
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"Every little helps!
My local shops must be completely unnavigable for anyone in a wheelchair. What's the best way to say something, do you think? I assume they're under pressure to put the latest displays up but there's little room on foot much less if you're on wheels.
Just politely ask to speak to a supervisor or manager and say you'd like to offer some constructive feedback. Suggest alternatives if possible, like wall mounted racks rather than dress rails on wheels in clothes shop. Noticing that the base of mannequins often takes up a lot of square centimetres so think about how close they place other items. Obviously I don't know what kind of shop, but any good retailer should want to be inclusive and accept constructive feedback.
There are several nearby that I think have issues. My dad is in a wheelchair, I pay more attention than I used to because of that and it should be that way. "Most of the time, it's something that's never occurred to the people laying out the shop and often, they've never heard of or bothered to investigate the various options for improving things. Many adjustments can be low cost, like having a longer cord on the card payment machine so it can be used/seen from a seated position. A basic fold away ramp is inexpensive. Putting a call bell at the entrance (at lower height) can allow people to attract attention for assistance. Etc. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. Please just read very carefully what you've just written. All public places whether government or commercial should be accessible to the public whoever they are. The give and take you mention is nonsense. That could only possibly apply when the world is accessible to everyone. At the moment it's still predominantly an able-bodied and neurotypical world in this country. Others are just expected to somehow 'fit in'. What you say is not strictly correct, all organisations open to the public have a duty to make reasonable adjustments to enable access to their buildings but it's not an absolute requirement e.g. if the cost of adapting a building would be excessive it doesn't have to be done. What's not correct? My opinion is that all should be. I appreciate the costs involved. But there's plenty that can be done even in older buildings. For example, it's a commercial decision in shops that aisle widths are kept to a minimum which makes wheelchair access difficult. Even if it is just navigable the wheelchair user is hit in the face with the clothes etc. on the displays. And has someone mentioned earlier, even existing law isn't followed such as refusing access to people with guide dogs. " Sorry I didn't realise that you meant "should" in an ethical rather than legal sense. I agree that in an ideal world there would be no barriers to the participation of disabled people in society but the law treads the middle ground. | |||
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" The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. " I find it astounding that anyone can justify this man's actions not all disabilities are visible and I assumed the amount of media that has tried to highlight this, would have sunk in. What happens to those without a wheelchair? They are allowed to be approached by Joe public to be asked for their medical conditions and life history 
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"I bang on about disability shizz quite a lot, and make no apologies for that. The reactions are often mixed, from "yeah! You go and change the world!" to "put up and shut up" or words to that effect. Lots of people are very surprised when people like me explain their day to day experience of either overt or covert disability discrimination, but it is pretty much a daily occurrence. Just this morning, a "helpful" man thought it would be a good idea to point out (loudly) that I was parking in a blue badge area. Of course, I was. My blue badge was in the bloody windscreen
Then, I finish work and watch this:
BBC News - Man with guide dog twice refused access by Tesco
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61468496
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
So, we (the disabled people of the world) beseech that everyone does their bit. Where you see overt discrimination, challenge it. Where you see a lack of access or obviously ridiculous design that obstructs certain people from participating in something - speak up. Give feedback.
Lots of discrimination is "low level" and ingrained societally. It's not having a fold up ramp to get into the shop. It's putting the displays so close together that wheelchair users and visually impaired people cannot safely navigate. It's having fixed bench seating with nowhere for a wheelchair user to roll up and put their legs under the table. Etc.
Our gripes are very mobility-impaired and autism specific, but as the BBC video highlights, all manner of disabled people are routinely impacted by discrimination.
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Agree, a much better understanding and action(s) required by all to do more in helping the vulnerable...
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"The local supermarket is like a maze. Pallets and boxes of product all over the aisles at stupid angles make it really difficult to navigate with a trolley. For a visually impaired person, wheelchairs, prams or elderly with walkers it's very stressful indeed. I told the manager about a particularly small gap where a bottleneck of people were stuck (near the exit). He just said it was within their company regulations and walked off. I will check the fire regulations. " Thank you for trying to make the point and if you think health and safety regs are being ignored, you can always report to your local council? | |||
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" The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I find it astounding that anyone can justify this man's actions not all disabilities are visible and I assumed the amount of media that has tried to highlight this, would have sunk in. What happens to those without a wheelchair? They are allowed to be approached by Joe public to be asked for their medical conditions and life history
"Not to mention that it's perfect allowable for an able bodied driver to park up in the blue badge area (with badge) and go and fetch their disabled passenger from the shops or doctors or whatever. The badge could belong to a passenger, not just the driver. And yes, there are many non visible reasons why someone might have a blue badge. | |||
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" The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I find it astounding that anyone can justify this man's actions not all disabilities are visible and I assumed the amount of media that has tried to highlight this, would have sunk in. What happens to those without a wheelchair? They are allowed to be approached by Joe public to be asked for their medical conditions and life history
"There was a case a few years ago when Joe Public questioned a guy going to his car where his wife had parked in a disabled bay, with a blue badge. Said Joe argued with him then punched him in the face, the husband fell and hit his head, died a few days later. Joe Public denied it and said the husband came at him, CCTV showed that this wasn’t true at all! Joe Public went to prison for manslaughter! Pixie | |||
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" The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I find it astounding that anyone can justify this man's actions not all disabilities are visible and I assumed the amount of media that has tried to highlight this, would have sunk in. What happens to those without a wheelchair? They are allowed to be approached by Joe public to be asked for their medical conditions and life history
There was a case a few years ago when Joe Public questioned a guy going to his car where his wife had parked in a disabled bay, with a blue badge. Said Joe argued with him then punched him in the face, the husband fell and hit his head, died a few days later. Joe Public denied it and said the husband came at him, CCTV showed that this wasn’t true at all! Joe Public went to prison for manslaughter!
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" The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I find it astounding that anyone can justify this man's actions not all disabilities are visible and I assumed the amount of media that has tried to highlight this, would have sunk in. What happens to those without a wheelchair? They are allowed to be approached by Joe public to be asked for their medical conditions and life history
"No! What the hell has it got to do with Joe Public anyway? People should stay out of others people’s business. Really winds me up. I’ve had it so much with my daughter. I tell them to mind their own business or just totally ignore them. I don’t have to explain anything to anyone. | |||
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" The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I find it astounding that anyone can justify this man's actions not all disabilities are visible and I assumed the amount of media that has tried to highlight this, would have sunk in. What happens to those without a wheelchair? They are allowed to be approached by Joe public to be asked for their medical conditions and life history
There was a case a few years ago when Joe Public questioned a guy going to his car where his wife had parked in a disabled bay, with a blue badge. Said Joe argued with him then punched him in the face, the husband fell and hit his head, died a few days later. Joe Public denied it and said the husband came at him, CCTV showed that this wasn’t true at all! Joe Public went to prison for manslaughter!
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " Equality Act 2010 says otherwise. I worked on a safe spaces project in a local town, and it was amazing how many shops were inaccessible for people with a variety of disabilities. Throw in the strip lighting and loud music for neurodiverse people. I completely agree that we need to follow the social model. Equality isn't about treating people equally, it's ensuring everyone has equal access to services, business, leisure, everything. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. Equality Act 2010 says otherwise. I worked on a safe spaces project in a local town, and it was amazing how many shops were inaccessible for people with a variety of disabilities. Throw in the strip lighting and loud music for neurodiverse people. I completely agree that we need to follow the social model. Equality isn't about treating people equally, it's ensuring everyone has equal access to services, business, leisure, everything. " This! sometimes treating people equally means treating them differently. | |||
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"my father ws in a wheelchair due to a spinal injury, so grew up with it, and tbh most times it was a positive experiance, and more so in later years, back in the 70s it could be unpredictable, hes gone now, but im also disabled, but dont find a problem offten tbh, and if i do its usually something i can work round, i dont expect the world to bend to my needs" Fantastic that you can work round it but somebody in a wheelchair cannot work round a flight of stairs! | |||
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Not to mention that it's perfect allowable for an able bodied driver to park up in the blue badge area (with badge) and go and fetch their disabled passenger from the shops or doctors or whatever. The badge could belong to a passenger, not just the driver. And yes, there are many non visible reasons why someone might have a blue badge. "This is the problem we have come across because we are always the passengers. | |||
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There was a case a few years ago when Joe Public questioned a guy going to his car where his wife had parked in a disabled bay, with a blue badge. Said Joe argued with him then punched him in the face, the husband fell and hit his head, died a few days later. Joe Public denied it and said the husband came at him, CCTV showed that this wasn’t true at all! Joe Public went to prison for manslaughter!
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " Thankfully we live in a country where businesses aren’t allowed to operate unless they comply with certain regulations, so I disagree with your first point. Your point about the man being helpful? Hmmm, have another think about it. I see a helpful situation being the man approaching the OP to ask if he would like any help getting his wheelchair out the car. Not assuming that the OP was parking where he shouldn’t be. Who did the man actually help? Once made aware that the OP was permitted to park there, did the man then apologise and offer any assistance? I’m assuming not, therefore I don’t think he was providing any help to anyone? And your final point I disagree with because I do think we can have everything suited to everyone. Or at least have the mindset that it’s possible. | |||
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There was a case a few years ago when Joe Public questioned a guy going to his car where his wife had parked in a disabled bay, with a blue badge. Said Joe argued with him then punched him in the face, the husband fell and hit his head, died a few days later. Joe Public denied it and said the husband came at him, CCTV showed that this wasn’t true at all! Joe Public went to prison for manslaughter!
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " I disagree with that hugely and the law disagrees with you too. Equality for disabled people is not the same as "give and take", it's allowing people to access the same shops, services and opportunities as you or I. | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. I disagree with that hugely and the law disagrees with you too. Equality for disabled people is not the same as "give and take", it's allowing people to access the same shops, services and opportunities as you or I." I imagine that if there were any "take" from the ableds, even a fraction of what it's like being disabled, the ableds would lose their shit | |||
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"I bang on about disability shizz quite a lot, and make no apologies for that. The reactions are often mixed, from "yeah! You go and change the world!" to "put up and shut up" or words to that effect. Lots of people are very surprised when people like me explain their day to day experience of either overt or covert disability discrimination, but it is pretty much a daily occurrence. Just this morning, a "helpful" man thought it would be a good idea to point out (loudly) that I was parking in a blue badge area. Of course, I was. My blue badge was in the bloody windscreen
Then, I finish work and watch this:
BBC News - Man with guide dog twice refused access by Tesco
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61468496
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
So, we (the disabled people of the world) beseech that everyone does their bit. Where you see overt discrimination, challenge it. Where you see a lack of access or obviously ridiculous design that obstructs certain people from participating in something - speak up. Give feedback.
Lots of discrimination is "low level" and ingrained societally. It's not having a fold up ramp to get into the shop. It's putting the displays so close together that wheelchair users and visually impaired people cannot safely navigate. It's having fixed bench seating with nowhere for a wheelchair user to roll up and put their legs under the table. Etc.
Our gripes are very mobility-impaired and autism specific, but as the BBC video highlights, all manner of disabled people are routinely impacted by discrimination.
Be a buddy "I hear ya! I used to work in a Scotmid shop local to me, there are the normal shelving stacks, then there are the ‘floaters’ the things just dumped somewhere in the middle of the aisle that stops not just people in wheelchairs but also mums with buggy’s. Then we got redesigned and were told under no circumstances were there to be ‘floaters’ in the aisles….. that lasted all of two weeks. I’ve also been yelled at using a disabled space, like you I have a blue badge. I was parked and in the shop before the other car driver caught up with me, he yelled at me in the shop so loudly a security guard came over, I just told him to go and look at my cars windscreen and that maybe I’d accept his apology when he got back…. He did go and look but I didn’t see him again lol…. It wasn’t like I took the last space lol I’ve also had shit treatment on buses using the disabled space…. People are just nasty | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " Except if they follow your idea, to cater for non-disabled only, incidentally obstructing disabled people from being able to access their services, they will be breaking the law. Access for all should be the norm. | |||
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"I agree with you OP. I think those with hidden disabilities do suffer quite a lot, especially autistic and those with learning disabilities. Physically disabled people seem to be taken more seriously than others as you can ‘see’ it. But it seems things are moving in the right direction "
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"Modern buildings are more catering for disabled. It's the law. " Yeah? As long as the lift isn't broken. I've just been stuck at work due to this and have been told I cannot attend the workplace tomorrow or Friday now, due to the breakdown and need to get parts. I have important in person meetings booked with people who have already travelled from the south of England tomorrow, so now I have to host them in a local café. Disability access, my left foot!! | |||
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"Modern buildings are more catering for disabled. It's the law. Yeah? As long as the lift isn't broken. I've just been stuck at work due to this and have been told I cannot attend the workplace tomorrow or Friday now, due to the breakdown and need to get parts. I have important in person meetings booked with people who have already travelled from the south of England tomorrow, so now I have to host them in a local café. Disability access, my left foot!!" I'm sorry | |||
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"I agree with you OP. I think those with hidden disabilities do suffer quite a lot, especially autistic and those with learning disabilities. Physically disabled people seem to be taken more seriously than others as you can ‘see’ it. But it seems things are moving in the right direction "One of us is autistic, the other a wheelchair user. We experience (between us) both the hidden and less hidden disability issues. Actually, in our case, it is me (Mrs KC) that has most problem day to day. That might be because Mr KC largely avoids the places he knows will set off issues and he much prefers staying at home than a "big night out", for example. Places like restaurants and supermarkets with loud music and sudden loud noises (crockery banging etc) are big issues for him. My physical disability is only obvious once I'm out of the car and on the crutches, getting into the wheelchair. Sat in my driver's seat, I look perfectly well. | |||
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" The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I find it astounding that anyone can justify this man's actions not all disabilities are visible and I assumed the amount of media that has tried to highlight this, would have sunk in. What happens to those without a wheelchair? They are allowed to be approached by Joe public to be asked for their medical conditions and life history
There was a case a few years ago when Joe Public questioned a guy going to his car where his wife had parked in a disabled bay, with a blue badge. Said Joe argued with him then punched him in the face, the husband fell and hit his head, died a few days later. Joe Public denied it and said the husband came at him, CCTV showed that this wasn’t true at all! Joe Public went to prison for manslaughter!
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My local shops must be completely unnavigable for anyone in a wheelchair. What's the best way to say something, do you think? I assume they're under pressure to put the latest displays up but there's little room on foot much less if you're on wheels. "For shops like that I tend to walk into everything and then loudly exclaim that if I can't get around then how will a wheelchair C | |||
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"OP you've taught me loads I had never considered. Keep telling us hopefully we can improve things for everyone. " Fanks 
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"OP you've taught me loads I had never considered. Keep telling us hopefully we can improve things for everyone. Fanks
Guess what one of my meetings is about, tomorrow?! Yes, disability access and making recruitment more accessible. Utterly hilarious and ridiculous that I will be physically unable to attend due to lack of the lift working and I shall instead be in a café "Are you serious!!! I thought our sector was at least slightly ahead of the game in general. Mun it's ridiculous in this day and age. We have access in our building we even have cool benches we can alter the height. Though I did jam my finger in it last term altering it. | |||
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" The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I find it astounding that anyone can justify this man's actions not all disabilities are visible and I assumed the amount of media that has tried to highlight this, would have sunk in. What happens to those without a wheelchair? They are allowed to be approached by Joe public to be asked for their medical conditions and life history
There was a case a few years ago when Joe Public questioned a guy going to his car where his wife had parked in a disabled bay, with a blue badge. Said Joe argued with him then punched him in the face, the husband fell and hit his head, died a few days later. Joe Public denied it and said the husband came at him, CCTV showed that this wasn’t true at all! Joe Public went to prison for manslaughter!
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"OP you've taught me loads I had never considered. Keep telling us hopefully we can improve things for everyone. Fanks
Guess what one of my meetings is about, tomorrow?! Yes, disability access and making recruitment more accessible. Utterly hilarious and ridiculous that I will be physically unable to attend due to lack of the lift working and I shall instead be in a café "But if you play it right, that perverse situation could be the best illustration for your arguments. | |||
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"OP you've taught me loads I had never considered. Keep telling us hopefully we can improve things for everyone. Fanks
Guess what one of my meetings is about, tomorrow?! Yes, disability access and making recruitment more accessible. Utterly hilarious and ridiculous that I will be physically unable to attend due to lack of the lift working and I shall instead be in a café
Are you serious!!! I thought our sector was at least slightly ahead of the game in general. Mun it's ridiculous in this day and age. We have access in our building we even have cool benches we can alter the height. Though I did jam my finger in it last term altering it.
"I have access, if the one lift works. But it broke today and I got stranded in the building. We had to use a complicated solution involving breaking into the building next door via the goods lift (usually strictly prohibited!) I've been told it will take at least tomorrow and Friday to fix the lift so I cannot attend my workplace... Whizzy benches are cool  But yeah, don't amputate your finger! | |||
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"OP you've taught me loads I had never considered. Keep telling us hopefully we can improve things for everyone. Fanks
Guess what one of my meetings is about, tomorrow?! Yes, disability access and making recruitment more accessible. Utterly hilarious and ridiculous that I will be physically unable to attend due to lack of the lift working and I shall instead be in a café
But if you play it right, that perverse situation could be the best illustration for your arguments. "Yep, I recognise that 
I've selected the most accessible, disability friendly café venue in possibly the whole of the city. And my coffee bill shall be charged to work!! | |||
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"OP you've taught me loads I had never considered. Keep telling us hopefully we can improve things for everyone. Fanks
Guess what one of my meetings is about, tomorrow?! Yes, disability access and making recruitment more accessible. Utterly hilarious and ridiculous that I will be physically unable to attend due to lack of the lift working and I shall instead be in a café
Are you serious!!! I thought our sector was at least slightly ahead of the game in general. Mun it's ridiculous in this day and age. We have access in our building we even have cool benches we can alter the height. Though I did jam my finger in it last term altering it.
I have access, if the one lift works. But it broke today and I got stranded in the building. We had to use a complicated solution involving breaking into the building next door via the goods lift (usually strictly prohibited!) I've been told it will take at least tomorrow and Friday to fix the lift so I cannot attend my workplace...
Whizzy benches are cool But yeah, don't amputate your finger!"That absolutely sucks I thought it was bad enough when I stuck in the one in work. It's proper ridiculous grr | |||
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"OP you've taught me loads I had never considered. Keep telling us hopefully we can improve things for everyone. Fanks
Guess what one of my meetings is about, tomorrow?! Yes, disability access and making recruitment more accessible. Utterly hilarious and ridiculous that I will be physically unable to attend due to lack of the lift working and I shall instead be in a café
Are you serious!!! I thought our sector was at least slightly ahead of the game in general. Mun it's ridiculous in this day and age. We have access in our building we even have cool benches we can alter the height. Though I did jam my finger in it last term altering it.
I have access, if the one lift works. But it broke today and I got stranded in the building. We had to use a complicated solution involving breaking into the building next door via the goods lift (usually strictly prohibited!) I've been told it will take at least tomorrow and Friday to fix the lift so I cannot attend my workplace...
Whizzy benches are cool But yeah, don't amputate your finger!
That absolutely sucks I thought it was bad enough when I stuck in the one in work. It's proper ridiculous grr "At least I didn't get stuck IN it. It just conked out before it could convey me downwards and outwards this evening! I was making plans to raid the library comfy corner for beanbags to make a bed | |||
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"I bang on about disability shizz quite a lot, and make no apologies for that. The reactions are often mixed, from "yeah! You go and change the world!" to "put up and shut up" or words to that effect. Lots of people are very surprised when people like me explain their day to day experience of either overt or covert disability discrimination, but it is pretty much a daily occurrence. Just this morning, a "helpful" man thought it would be a good idea to point out (loudly) that I was parking in a blue badge area. Of course, I was. My blue badge was in the bloody windscreen
Then, I finish work and watch this:
BBC News - Man with guide dog twice refused access by Tesco
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61468496
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
So, we (the disabled people of the world) beseech that everyone does their bit. Where you see overt discrimination, challenge it. Where you see a lack of access or obviously ridiculous design that obstructs certain people from participating in something - speak up. Give feedback.
Lots of discrimination is "low level" and ingrained societally. It's not having a fold up ramp to get into the shop. It's putting the displays so close together that wheelchair users and visually impaired people cannot safely navigate. It's having fixed bench seating with nowhere for a wheelchair user to roll up and put their legs under the table. Etc.
Our gripes are very mobility-impaired and autism specific, but as the BBC video highlights, all manner of disabled people are routinely impacted by discrimination.
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"I bang on about disability shizz quite a lot, and make no apologies for that. The reactions are often mixed, from "yeah! You go and change the world!" to "put up and shut up" or words to that effect. Lots of people are very surprised when people like me explain their day to day experience of either overt or covert disability discrimination, but it is pretty much a daily occurrence. Just this morning, a "helpful" man thought it would be a good idea to point out (loudly) that I was parking in a blue badge area. Of course, I was. My blue badge was in the bloody windscreen
Then, I finish work and watch this:
BBC News - Man with guide dog twice refused access by Tesco
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61468496
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
So, we (the disabled people of the world) beseech that everyone does their bit. Where you see overt discrimination, challenge it. Where you see a lack of access or obviously ridiculous design that obstructs certain people from participating in something - speak up. Give feedback.
Lots of discrimination is "low level" and ingrained societally. It's not having a fold up ramp to get into the shop. It's putting the displays so close together that wheelchair users and visually impaired people cannot safely navigate. It's having fixed bench seating with nowhere for a wheelchair user to roll up and put their legs under the table. Etc.
Our gripes are very mobility-impaired and autism specific, but as the BBC video highlights, all manner of disabled people are routinely impacted by discrimination.
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"With this morning's announcement that the Government will not implement recommendations from the Grenfell Inquiry on the subject of evacuating disabled people from high rise buildings, and when statements like this come out of a Government department: "the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” you wonder why disabled people feel so hard done to, eh? Recommendation: stay put and die, like good disabled people. Obviously building owners can still choose to plan evacuation systems for disabled people but with no mandate, the majority will continue to take the cheap way out and not bother. By the way, councils and housing associations don't take evacuation into account when housing disabled people at high rise level, they say "there's a lift" and that's that. If you decline what's offered by the council, you lose your right to a council home, if that's what you need, so a lot of disabled people have no choice. My PEEP at work (a 10-storey building) is pretty simple and the costs to the business minimal to put in place. I'll be evacuated after the majority have gone down the stairs, but they're not leaving me behind. I am fortunate that Mr KC is one of my colleagues and I have other colleagues who wouldn't leave me behind (exemplified by the guy who waited for ages after work yesterday, while I couldn't get out due to the lift being broken. He didn't leave until I was at my car). " What is PEEP? | |||
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"With this morning's announcement that the Government will not implement recommendations from the Grenfell Inquiry on the subject of evacuating disabled people from high rise buildings, and when statements like this come out of a Government department: "the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” you wonder why disabled people feel so hard done to, eh? Recommendation: stay put and die, like good disabled people. Obviously building owners can still choose to plan evacuation systems for disabled people but with no mandate, the majority will continue to take the cheap way out and not bother. By the way, councils and housing associations don't take evacuation into account when housing disabled people at high rise level, they say "there's a lift" and that's that. If you decline what's offered by the council, you lose your right to a council home, if that's what you need, so a lot of disabled people have no choice. My PEEP at work (a 10-storey building) is pretty simple and the costs to the business minimal to put in place. I'll be evacuated after the majority have gone down the stairs, but they're not leaving me behind. I am fortunate that Mr KC is one of my colleagues and I have other colleagues who wouldn't leave me behind (exemplified by the guy who waited for ages after work yesterday, while I couldn't get out due to the lift being broken. He didn't leave until I was at my car). " Bloody hell  | |||
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. " You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. | |||
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. " And your work are putting themselves at risk of accusation of discrimination if they are enforcing a ground floor only policy, if that restricts job options for anyone with either a temporary or permanent mobility problem. | |||
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. " I realise it appears that I'm a dick. Apologies. I agree... I just don't know what the solution is. | |||
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I posted about being tired on twitter this morning. Everything feels like a fight at the moment, if it's not ableism it's mysoginy or homophobia.
I just want people to be kinder and think of others. "I feel like kindness gets hijacked. Be nice to the people who think that disability accommodations are too much. Be nice to the people who think that abortion should be prohibited because of their private beliefs. I know stigma promotes in groups and perpetuates this bullshit, but it's not these people who need our kindness. It's the people who are being shat upon. | |||
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" Yes. We need awareness. But also I'm tired
I posted about being tired on twitter this morning. Everything feels like a fight at the moment, if it's not ableism it's mysoginy or homophobia.
I just want people to be kinder and think of others.
I feel like kindness gets hijacked. Be nice to the people who think that disability accommodations are too much. Be nice to the people who think that abortion should be prohibited because of their private beliefs.
I know stigma promotes in groups and perpetuates this bullshit, but it's not these people who need our kindness. It's the people who are being shat upon."Oh yeah I should have clarified. Be kinder to the marginalised, the poor, the disabled, those who don't have the privilege of choice, or ability, colour of skin etc... Like I said. I'm tired. Probably doesn't help I'm midway through my pip application, after having faced a barrage of homophobic abuse this morning. | |||
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" Yes. We need awareness. But also I'm tired
I posted about being tired on twitter this morning. Everything feels like a fight at the moment, if it's not ableism it's mysoginy or homophobia.
I just want people to be kinder and think of others.
I feel like kindness gets hijacked. Be nice to the people who think that disability accommodations are too much. Be nice to the people who think that abortion should be prohibited because of their private beliefs.
I know stigma promotes in groups and perpetuates this bullshit, but it's not these people who need our kindness. It's the people who are being shat upon.
Oh yeah I should have clarified.
Be kinder to the marginalised, the poor, the disabled, those who don't have the privilege of choice, or ability, colour of skin etc...
Like I said. I'm tired.
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"Tom supports the OP on this one. It was only when he had to navigate footpaths with a pram with cars parked half on the pavement that he realized what it must be like for mum's and wheelchair users every day. That aside he has seen discrimination at first hand. When out walking only the other day Tom saw a lady on a horse at a Pegasus Crossing. A Pegasus crossing is a zebra crossing for people on horseback and it means they can press the Pegasus button without getting off the horse. The lady stopped at the crossing and crossed the road when the green light showed that it was safe to do so. Shortly after, a girl on a Shetland pony tried the same thing but the horse was so short that she could not reach the button.. pure discrimination in Toms world " Tom gets it | |||
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. I realise it appears that I'm a dick. Apologies. I agree... I just don't know what the solution is. " The solution is for people to stop thinking that disabled people but disabled people somehow don't need don't need or deserve the same access as everybody else. The solution in relation to tower blocks is not to put disabled residents on high floors. The solution is for everyone to think one day this could be them and how would they feel about being told they could just work on the same floor! | |||
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. I realise it appears that I'm a dick. Apologies. I agree... I just don't know what the solution is. The solution is for people to stop thinking that disabled people but disabled people somehow don't need don't need or deserve the same access as everybody else. The solution in relation to tower blocks is not to put disabled residents on high floors. The solution is for everyone to think one day this could be them and how would they feel about being told they could just work on the same floor!" The solution is empathy, then? We're fucked  | |||
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. I realise it appears that I'm a dick. Apologies. I agree... I just don't know what the solution is. The solution is for people to stop thinking that disabled people but disabled people somehow don't need don't need or deserve the same access as everybody else. The solution in relation to tower blocks is not to put disabled residents on high floors. The solution is for everyone to think one day this could be them and how would they feel about being told they could just work on the same floor! The solution is empathy, then? We're fucked "Not just empathy but for people not to be dicks. | |||
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. I realise it appears that I'm a dick. Apologies. I agree... I just don't know what the solution is. The solution is for people to stop thinking that disabled people but disabled people somehow don't need don't need or deserve the same access as everybody else. The solution in relation to tower blocks is not to put disabled residents on high floors. The solution is for everyone to think one day this could be them and how would they feel about being told they could just work on the same floor! The solution is empathy, then? We're fucked
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. I realise it appears that I'm a dick. Apologies. I agree... I just don't know what the solution is. The solution is for people to stop thinking that disabled people but disabled people somehow don't need don't need or deserve the same access as everybody else. The solution in relation to tower blocks is not to put disabled residents on high floors. The solution is for everyone to think one day this could be them and how would they feel about being told they could just work on the same floor! The solution is empathy, then? We're fucked
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. I realise it appears that I'm a dick. Apologies. I agree... I just don't know what the solution is. The solution is for people to stop thinking that disabled people but disabled people somehow don't need don't need or deserve the same access as everybody else. The solution in relation to tower blocks is not to put disabled residents on high floors. The solution is for everyone to think one day this could be them and how would they feel about being told they could just work on the same floor! The solution is empathy, then? We're fucked
Not just empathy but for people not to be dicks.
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""the evacuation of residents with disabilities may put others at risk, saying: “A resident in an evacuation chair, aided by one or two people could potentially restrict the space available on a stairwell – which may be the only stairwell – and slow the evacuation of other residents,” . This is a fact though. It would likely restrict/ block space on the stairs for others to pass. The alternative is to only allow disabled/ people unable to walk to be on ground floor levels only. This is the rule at my work. If you are e.g. on crutches you must work from home or be off work as sick. If there was a fire or urgent evacuation, it would put them and/ or others at risk. You can't restrict disabled people to one floor only. It would totally restrict the jobs they could do. It's completely impractical to suggest every person with mobility problems should only work or live on the ground floor. Councils offer flats to people irrespective of their needs to evacuate. If people decline high rise council flats, they can be removed from the waiting list and be left homeless. I would like to sell my house and buy a bungalow but that's apparently akin to me saying I'm going to buy myself a pet unicorn. And a PEEP is a personal evacuation and egress plan. I realise it appears that I'm a dick. Apologies. I agree... I just don't know what the solution is. The solution is for people to stop thinking that disabled people but disabled people somehow don't need don't need or deserve the same access as everybody else. The solution in relation to tower blocks is not to put disabled residents on high floors. The solution is for everyone to think one day this could be them and how would they feel about being told they could just work on the same floor! The solution is empathy, then? We're fucked
Not just empathy but for people not to be dicks.
Are you calling me a dick?
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"I work in this sector with people with learning difficulties, autism etc and it's a daily battle for the people I support. Not all disabilities are visible and sometimes even just the looks they get from Johnny Public makes my blood boil. Just recently had to have it out with a guy on a bus because of his verbal outburst towards my service user for simply talking louder than the average person. This is why we still have to wear badges, to highlight who we are and why we're with them, and to highlight they've got the same rights anyone else has. We've still got a long, long way to go, believe me! " Thank you for what you do | |||
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"Have you heard of Swad (Sex with a Difference?) They aim to raise awareness on these issues" I haven't actually. I'm "lucky" because really, my ability to have sex is largely unchanged from when I was able bodied. I can't stand up for stuff and I can't be kneeling up for long periods and can only do that on the bed (not the floor) BUT otherwise, I can do what I want. One of disability suppliers I buy wheelchair gubbins from has a section dedicated to sex aids for disabled people, which is brilliant! | |||
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"I work in this sector with people with learning difficulties, autism etc and it's a daily battle for the people I support. Not all disabilities are visible and sometimes even just the looks they get from Johnny Public makes my blood boil. Just recently had to have it out with a guy on a bus because of his verbal outburst towards my service user for simply talking louder than the average person. This is why we still have to wear badges, to highlight who we are and why we're with them, and to highlight they've got the same rights anyone else has. We've still got a long, long way to go, believe me! Thank you for what you do" ^^^What Swing said | |||
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"I work in this sector with people with learning difficulties, autism etc and it's a daily battle for the people I support. Not all disabilities are visible and sometimes even just the looks they get from Johnny Public makes my blood boil. Just recently had to have it out with a guy on a bus because of his verbal outburst towards my service user for simply talking louder than the average person. This is why we still have to wear badges, to highlight who we are and why we're with them, and to highlight they've got the same rights anyone else has. We've still got a long, long way to go, believe me! " Do you know if the guy you had a go at is actually autistic and the loud talking made him anxious/ triggered him? | |||
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"I work in this sector with people with learning difficulties, autism etc and it's a daily battle for the people I support. Not all disabilities are visible and sometimes even just the looks they get from Johnny Public makes my blood boil. Just recently had to have it out with a guy on a bus because of his verbal outburst towards my service user for simply talking louder than the average person. This is why we still have to wear badges, to highlight who we are and why we're with them, and to highlight they've got the same rights anyone else has. We've still got a long, long way to go, believe me! Thank you for what you do ^^^What Swing said "Thank you. I've been doing this for just 2 years but it's really opened my eyes to what they've had to go through and still do. Made it my focus to make sure they get every opportunity they can, not just sitting in a day entre or in cafes all day. I've taken some of my guys to snowboarding lessons, wakeboarding, karate classes, rock climbing.... list goes on. Doing things they were never given the opportunity to do before. Sometimes it just needs a fresh pair of eyes for someone to say "why haven't they tried this?" Just because they have x, y or z doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't have a chance to have a go. Love my job!! | |||
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"I work in this sector with people with learning difficulties, autism etc and it's a daily battle for the people I support. Not all disabilities are visible and sometimes even just the looks they get from Johnny Public makes my blood boil. Just recently had to have it out with a guy on a bus because of his verbal outburst towards my service user for simply talking louder than the average person. This is why we still have to wear badges, to highlight who we are and why we're with them, and to highlight they've got the same rights anyone else has. We've still got a long, long way to go, believe me! Do you know if the guy you had a go at is actually autistic and the loud talking made him anxious/ triggered him? " Sadly he was just one of life's would be hard men thinking he'd have a go. | |||
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"I work in this sector with people with learning difficulties, autism etc and it's a daily battle for the people I support. Not all disabilities are visible and sometimes even just the looks they get from Johnny Public makes my blood boil. Just recently had to have it out with a guy on a bus because of his verbal outburst towards my service user for simply talking louder than the average person. This is why we still have to wear badges, to highlight who we are and why we're with them, and to highlight they've got the same rights anyone else has. We've still got a long, long way to go, believe me! Do you know if the guy you had a go at is actually autistic and the loud talking made him anxious/ triggered him? Sadly he was just one of life's would be hard men thinking he'd have a go. " It's great that you can diagnose people on sight. | |||
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"I work in this sector with people with learning difficulties, autism etc and it's a daily battle for the people I support. Not all disabilities are visible and sometimes even just the looks they get from Johnny Public makes my blood boil. Just recently had to have it out with a guy on a bus because of his verbal outburst towards my service user for simply talking louder than the average person. This is why we still have to wear badges, to highlight who we are and why we're with them, and to highlight they've got the same rights anyone else has. We've still got a long, long way to go, believe me! Do you know if the guy you had a go at is actually autistic and the loud talking made him anxious/ triggered him? Sadly he was just one of life's would be hard men thinking he'd have a go. It's great that you can diagnose people on sight. "Thank you, it's a talent I've mastered over the years. | |||
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"Going back a few years, a project I worked on a few years ago, everyone totally engaged with making the building above and beyond compliant with the various Acts. Lots of meetings and discussions around how to make it "right". So many "yes but if we do this, it means we can't do that" discussions. After weeks of meetings with literally dozens of industry professionals no firm and fixed ideas in place. Finally someone said "I can't see how we can make 100% of our goals workable. Anyone got any ideas?" Me, looking round the table...... "Why don't we get a few people with disabilities in the room and ask what challenges they face, they're the people we're looking to support?" So many "why the fuck didn't we think of that" faces...... Like so many things in this world, solutions being "made" by people who don't have the challenge. Windton" Absolutely spot on | |||
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"Going back a few years, a project I worked on a few years ago, everyone totally engaged with making the building above and beyond compliant with the various Acts. Lots of meetings and discussions around how to make it "right". So many "yes but if we do this, it means we can't do that" discussions. After weeks of meetings with literally dozens of industry professionals no firm and fixed ideas in place. Finally someone said "I can't see how we can make 100% of our goals workable. Anyone got any ideas?" Me, looking round the table...... "Why don't we get a few people with disabilities in the room and ask what challenges they face, they're the people we're looking to support?" So many "why the fuck didn't we think of that" faces...... Like so many things in this world, solutions being "made" by people who don't have the challenge. Windton Absolutely spot on "A family member, who is also paraplegic, has a company doing exactly the above ^^^ advising companies on all access/life enhancment for all manner of disabilities including all the legal bits!!! | |||
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"I bang on about disability shizz quite a lot, and make no apologies for that. The reactions are often mixed, from "yeah! You go and change the world!" to "put up and shut up" or words to that effect. Lots of people are very surprised when people like me explain their day to day experience of either overt or covert disability discrimination, but it is pretty much a daily occurrence. Just this morning, a "helpful" man thought it would be a good idea to point out (loudly) that I was parking in a blue badge area. Of course, I was. My blue badge was in the bloody windscreen
Then, I finish work and watch this:
BBC News - Man with guide dog twice refused access by Tesco
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61468496
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
So, we (the disabled people of the world) beseech that everyone does their bit. Where you see overt discrimination, challenge it. Where you see a lack of access or obviously ridiculous design that obstructs certain people from participating in something - speak up. Give feedback.
Lots of discrimination is "low level" and ingrained societally. It's not having a fold up ramp to get into the shop. It's putting the displays so close together that wheelchair users and visually impaired people cannot safely navigate. It's having fixed bench seating with nowhere for a wheelchair user to roll up and put their legs under the table. Etc.
Our gripes are very mobility-impaired and autism specific, but as the BBC video highlights, all manner of disabled people are routinely impacted by discrimination.
Be a buddy "Thanks for posting this and for continuing to raise these issues. My partner and I have very similar gripes to you and have to deal with the same kinds of discrimination, especially when she has to use her mobility aids. What was an eye-opener for me was when I took her to Alton Towers after spraining my ankle. Normally she has her scooter and I walk, but this time I hired one as well. As soon as you are sat in a scooter you become invisible. People walk into you, lean over you and generally ignore personal space, usually while tutting or making sarcastic side comments about how you “don’t look disabled”. | |||
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"I bang on about disability shizz quite a lot, and make no apologies for that. The reactions are often mixed, from "yeah! You go and change the world!" to "put up and shut up" or words to that effect. Lots of people are very surprised when people like me explain their day to day experience of either overt or covert disability discrimination, but it is pretty much a daily occurrence. Just this morning, a "helpful" man thought it would be a good idea to point out (loudly) that I was parking in a blue badge area. Of course, I was. My blue badge was in the bloody windscreen
Then, I finish work and watch this:
BBC News - Man with guide dog twice refused access by Tesco
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61468496
I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
So, we (the disabled people of the world) beseech that everyone does their bit. Where you see overt discrimination, challenge it. Where you see a lack of access or obviously ridiculous design that obstructs certain people from participating in something - speak up. Give feedback.
Lots of discrimination is "low level" and ingrained societally. It's not having a fold up ramp to get into the shop. It's putting the displays so close together that wheelchair users and visually impaired people cannot safely navigate. It's having fixed bench seating with nowhere for a wheelchair user to roll up and put their legs under the table. Etc.
Our gripes are very mobility-impaired and autism specific, but as the BBC video highlights, all manner of disabled people are routinely impacted by discrimination.
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Thanks for posting this and for continuing to raise these issues. My partner and I have very similar gripes to you and have to deal with the same kinds of discrimination, especially when she has to use her mobility aids.
What was an eye-opener for me was when I took her to Alton Towers after spraining my ankle. Normally she has her scooter and I walk, but this time I hired one as well. As soon as you are sat in a scooter you become invisible. People walk into you, lean over you and generally ignore personal space, usually while tutting or making sarcastic side comments about how you “don’t look disabled”. "Unfortunately it's quite common "oh but you look normal" seems to fairly popular. | |||
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"Going back a few years, a project I worked on a few years ago, everyone totally engaged with making the building above and beyond compliant with the various Acts. Lots of meetings and discussions around how to make it "right". So many "yes but if we do this, it means we can't do that" discussions. After weeks of meetings with literally dozens of industry professionals no firm and fixed ideas in place. Finally someone said "I can't see how we can make 100% of our goals workable. Anyone got any ideas?" Me, looking round the table...... "Why don't we get a few people with disabilities in the room and ask what challenges they face, they're the people we're looking to support?" So many "why the fuck didn't we think of that" faces...... Like so many things in this world, solutions being "made" by people who don't have the challenge. Windton" Fuck me, isn't that typical | |||
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"Going back a few years, a project I worked on a few years ago, everyone totally engaged with making the building above and beyond compliant with the various Acts. Lots of meetings and discussions around how to make it "right". So many "yes but if we do this, it means we can't do that" discussions. After weeks of meetings with literally dozens of industry professionals no firm and fixed ideas in place. Finally someone said "I can't see how we can make 100% of our goals workable. Anyone got any ideas?" Me, looking round the table...... "Why don't we get a few people with disabilities in the room and ask what challenges they face, they're the people we're looking to support?" So many "why the fuck didn't we think of that" faces...... Like so many things in this world, solutions being "made" by people who don't have the challenge. Windton Fuck me, isn't that typical "Some places do an exceptional job while others are shambolic. Primark for example in every single store at all there till banks they have a till with a wheelchair sign, Anybody with a disability visible or otherwise can stand there and be served immediately, The sky garden has a designated queue for people who are unable to stand or who are unable to stand for long periods of time various reasons to go through security and the lifts as priority. It's little things like this that don't cost much but make a huge difference. | |||
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"Some places do an exceptional job while others are shambolic. Primark for example in every single store at all there till banks they have a till with a wheelchair sign, Anybody with a disability visible or otherwise can stand there and be served immediately, The sky garden has a designated queue for people who are unable to stand or who are unable to stand for long periods of time various reasons to go through security and the lifts as priority. It's little things like this that don't cost much but make a huge difference. " Agreed. Some other places are terrible. One of the shopping centres in Preston, for example, only had lift access between floors within Debenhams. When Debenhams closed they closed the lift access and told people who needed it to walk outside the centre, up a hill, around the corner and back in the centre via the upper entrance. Probably a 150-200 yard walk, for disabled people, because they “couldn’t” (read: wouldn’t) arrange for access to a lift in an empty shop. | |||
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"Going back a few years, a project I worked on a few years ago, everyone totally engaged with making the building above and beyond compliant with the various Acts. Lots of meetings and discussions around how to make it "right". So many "yes but if we do this, it means we can't do that" discussions. After weeks of meetings with literally dozens of industry professionals no firm and fixed ideas in place. Finally someone said "I can't see how we can make 100% of our goals workable. Anyone got any ideas?" Me, looking round the table...... "Why don't we get a few people with disabilities in the room and ask what challenges they face, they're the people we're looking to support?" So many "why the fuck didn't we think of that" faces...... Like so many things in this world, solutions being "made" by people who don't have the challenge. Windton Fuck me, isn't that typical "My personal favourite was a series of meetings with a "I don't see why we need that" guy as part of the team. 2 days of intransigence and ignorance. Day 3 I bring in my late mum's wheelchair and park it in the corner. Come coffee break I invite everyone to take it for a spin.... Mr "I don't see why we need that" guy leaps into the hotseat and starts whizzing round the room. Spinning about, trying to do wheelies. The meeting room is huge, loads of room and a perfectly flat floor. I give him 5 minutes of fun and then ask him for a favour. While you're in the chair, nip down to my car and grab the file on the backseat. Just for fun I'll time you... *hands him the keys He struggles to get out of the door and off he goes. Comes back a few minutes later. "I can't get down the stairs" We're on the 2nd floor with no lift.
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. " I disagree this country has gone down the route that we have to cater services for every single person no matter how diverse and even post brexit laws won’t change, we will still have good food standards , employment and disability laws, because we were lied to ( mostly by Boris when he was a journalist, but again later) it wasn’t Europe that made us do all this it was the modern world (Excluding America) . So if you wanna trade here you have to suck it up and make your services accessible to everyone | |||
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"Unfortunately businesses are there to cater for their mass target market. If that doesn't include people with disabilities, then they can make their choice and tailor their stores for the majority and people with disabilities can choose not to support that retailer. Government buildings, fair enough, should have suitable accessibility. The man being helpful obviously assumed you were able bodied and was trying to help in case someone who shouldn't be parking there was parking there. I just think there needs to be more give and take in the world, we cant have everything suited for everyone. I disagree this country has gone down the route that we have to cater services for every single person no matter how diverse and even post brexit laws won’t change, we will still have good food standards , employment and disability laws, because we were lied to ( mostly by Boris when he was a journalist, but again later) it wasn’t Europe that made us do all this it was the modern world (Excluding America) . So if you wanna trade here you have to suck it up and make your services accessible to everyone "Laws exist, but are often not enforced and many businesses and employers are not aware of their statutory responsibilities unfortunately. Also some of the laws are subjective or ambiguous and so this is unhelpful. Newly designed buildings should be 100% accessible to everyone, by default, but they are not. Also there is far too little in the way of housing being built that can be used by disabled people and little appetite to build more. | |||
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