FabSwingers.com forum: Help a fellow fabster identify

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I find transgender women attractive, knowing full well they have a penis. I list as bi curious for that reason. If I feel arousal from viewing what is essentially a feminine form but with male anatomy, I must surely be bi. However I don't find masculinity a turn on remotely, don't fancy blokes. Walking home tonight from work I passed some women and thanked God I was a man. Gorgeous lovely sexy females. All I could imagine was pleasuring them in a normal healthy hetro sense. I don't know what I am in terms of itendity. Can't be alone though as trans porn is very popular. Your thoughts, be as brutal and clear as day as you wish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A straight man would never get aroused at a penis, wether it is on a beautiful pre-op transexual or a butch man like me. No matter what way people on here try to twist it, a straight male should not be getting aroused by a penis. It puts you on the bi spectrum.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"A straight man would never get aroused at a penis, wether it is on a beautiful pre-op transexual or a butch man like me."

Absolute nonsense. And at the same time, they are all made-up classifications, so you mighy be right.

- A very non-butch man

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"A straight man would never get aroused at a penis, wether it is on a beautiful pre-op transexual or a butch man like me. No matter what way people on here try to twist it, a straight male should not be getting aroused by a penis. It puts you on the bi spectrum."

Thank you, the fact the liking or arousal of male organs arouses, I can't disagree with your reply.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The terminology is confused and confusing; some of those of us who would say that we are transgender cannot get physically altered for medical reasons, others do not wish to, and others (MtoF) are able to and do get fully castrated and physically altered to look like a woman, and a few will as you describe get physically altered to resemble a woman but will for whatever reason keep male genitals, but all can be and are referred to as transgender. To me sex is biological and immutable, whereas gender is vaguer and more flexible; masculine or feminine, although these days many would disagree!

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Walking home tonight from work I passed some women and thanked God I was a man. Gorgeous lovely sexy females. All I could imagine was pleasuring them in a normal healthy hetro sense. "

As you invited comments, even if brutal... what if those women were gay? What on earth does you being a man have anything to do with their pleasure?

Also, 'normal healthy hetro' sense? I would invite you to consider whether that is a healthy way to phrase things. Sounds wildly heteronormative *at best.*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A straight man would never get aroused at a penis, wether it is on a beautiful pre-op transexual or a butch man like me.

Absolute nonsense. And at the same time, they are all made-up classifications, so you mighy be right.

- A very non-butch man

Yeah just like gay men love vagina and get rock hard

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Yeah just like gay men love vagina and get rock hard

If a man gets turned-on by a woman with a strap-on, is he bi?

If a man gets turned-on by a woman with a permanent physical "strap-on" (a.k.a penis), why is he gay. She's a woman.

I know a number of gay men who watch straight or lesbian p0rn. I'll inform them that they are apparently confused about what box they're meant to be in.

(Incidentally, what do you make about the hoards of straight teenage boys who have wet dream over a guy? Are they to automatically conclude that they are straight or bi?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Who cares? People are too quick to label themselves. As long as you're not hurting anyone or doing anything illegal who cares who or what you're shagging?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Walking home tonight from work I passed some women and thanked God I was a man. Gorgeous lovely sexy females. All I could imagine was pleasuring them in a normal healthy hetro sense.

As you invited comments, even if brutal... what if those women were gay? What on earth does you being a man have anything to do with their pleasure?

Also, 'normal healthy hetro' sense? I would invite you to consider whether that is a healthy way to phrase things. Sounds wildly heteronormative *at best.* "

I think you've misjudged my dilema. If the said women were gay would be unknown to me when I passed them by. I meant, I felt sincere sexual attraction to their femininity regardless of insight about their orientation. I'm saying I felt arousal, but if they were transgender, I'd remain sexually attracted. So am I bi for liking females with either genitals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yeah just like gay men love vagina and get rock hard

If a man gets turned-on by a woman with a strap-on, is he bi?

If a man gets turned-on by a woman with a permanent physical "strap-on" (a.k.a penis), why is he gay. She's a woman.

I know a number of gay men who watch straight or lesbian p0rn. I'll inform them that they are apparently confused about what box they're meant to be in.

(Incidentally, what do you make about the hoards of straight teenage boys who have wet dream over a guy? Are they to automatically conclude that they are straight or bi?)"

This place gets more and more ridiculous on this subject. That is enough internet for me for tonight

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Yeah just like gay men love vagina and get rock hard

If a man gets turned-on by a woman with a strap-on, is he bi?

If a man gets turned-on by a woman with a permanent physical "strap-on" (a.k.a penis), why is he gay. She's a woman.

I know a number of gay men who watch straight or lesbian p0rn. I'll inform them that they are apparently confused about what box they're meant to be in.

(Incidentally, what do you make about the hoards of straight teenage boys who have wet dream over a guy? Are they to automatically conclude that they are straight or bi?)"

I've never had wet dreams over guys, but certain trans porn stars,oh god...

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"This place gets more and more ridiculous on this subject. That is enough internet for me for tonight

Thank you for responding to my questions so thoughtfully and convincingly.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"So am I bi for liking females with either genitals. "

I have no idea if you're bi. All I know, based on what you've said, is that you're a man who fancies women who have penises. I presume it's the women-with-penises you are attracted to and not just their penises?

Therefore, you might be straight, you might be bi.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

I've never had wet dreams over guys, but certain trans porn stars,oh god..."

Loads of straight guys have. It's extremely common.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wouldn't go overboard trying to stick a label on it. I've had some folk practically grill me on if I'm this, that or the other? I just say I like who I like, and go with the flow

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"I wouldn't go overboard trying to stick a label on it. I've had some folk practically grill me on if I'm this, that or the other? I just say I like who I like, and go with the flow

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So am I bi for liking females with either genitals.

Therefore, you might be straight, you might be bi.

I'm not holding back here. I'm drawn to women. Their juxtaposed way of seeing things to me, their bodies, that connection a man can only tune into with a female. I love it, I truly do. If I should be with such a women and she asked me to pleasure another cock with her in a threesum, I would. Even though I wouldn't be interested other wise without her presence. A transgender women though, I would.

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire

You are on a spectrum a 100% heterosexual man would immediately feel disgust after finding the penis on a woman he fancies. No matter how attracted he is to her, he’ll not get past the fact she has that penis.

You are attracted to femininity so closer to being heterosexual but also towards bisexuality as well, because the penis adds to the attraction of the femininity within that person. Maybe that’s even the main reason you find that person attractive so you’re nudging towards being fully bisexual.

Either way label yourself and decide what you want or happy with. There’s endless discussions on these forums about sexuality but the only person who can really answer the question is yourself.

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By *nliveneTV/TS
over a year ago

Selby

Op whatever makes you happy independent of gender , race , age , body shape , colour or status

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I wouldn't go overboard trying to stick a label on it. I've had some folk practically grill me on if I'm this, that or the other? I just say I like who I like, and go with the flow

I'm free to marry you next Tuesday, then off to the Bahamas together.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"I'm not holding back here. I'm drawn to women. Their juxtaposed way of seeing things to me, their bodies, that connection a man can only tune into with a female. I love it, I truly do. If I should be with such a women and she asked me to pleasure another cock with her in a threesum, I would. Even though I wouldn't be interested other wise without her presence. A transgender women though, I would."

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were holding back.

Your sentence that 'without her presence' might mean you are "contextually bi." However, as I said, these are all made-up definitions (even so-called 'straight,' as problematic as it may be).

Given what you've said, I would suggest you are free to choose from the following labels, if they serve any positive purpose for you:

A) Straight (after all, you only fancy women - regardless of their bits!)

B) Contextually bi (i.e you can be aroused enough to play with men, if and only if the situation is hot enough)

C) Bi-curious

D) Bi

I personally wouldn't think of you as C or D, as you've only reported fancying women.

Or, I guess, it's theoretically possible that you're:

A2) Straight, but objectifying transgender women

However, I think if I was in your shoes, I'd say I was A or B.

Only you can really tell us.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You are on a spectrum a 100% heterosexual man would immediately feel disgust after finding the penis on a woman he fancies. No matter how attracted he is to her, he’ll not get past the fact she has that penis.

Either way label yourself and decide what you want or happy with. There’s endless discussions on these forums about sexuality but the only person who can really answer the question is yourself. "

Sums it up quite accurately. I'm staying with bi curious as an ident. I love women, as you say though, I also feel aroused by women in appearance but knowing full well they have a cock. Sod it just be me, respect everyone and live my life.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Op whatever makes you happy independent of gender , race , age , body shape , colour or status

Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Who cares? People are too quick to label themselves. As long as you're not hurting anyone or doing anything illegal who cares who or what you're shagging? "
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^^ spot on ^^

Go and try to connect with a trans female and enjoy OP and stop the overthinking

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Sums it up quite accurately. I'm staying with bi curious as an ident. I love women, as you say though, I also feel aroused by women in appearance but knowing full well they have a cock. Sod it just be me, respect everyone and live my life."

Damn right, mate!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you were holding back.

Your sentence that 'without her presence' might mean you are "contextually bi." However, as I said, these are all made-up definitions (even so-called 'straight,' as problematic as it may be).

Given what you've said, I would suggest you are free to choose from the following labels, if they serve any positive purpose for you:

A) Straight (after all, you only fancy women - regardless of their bits!)

B) Contextually bi (i.e you can be aroused enough to play with men, if and only if the situation is hot enough)

C) Bi-curious

D) Bi

I personally wouldn't think of you as C or D, as you've only reported fancying women.

Or, I guess, it's theoretically possible that you're:

A2) Straight, but objectifying transgender women

However, I think if I was in your shoes, I'd say I was A or B.

Only you can really tell us.

I think the hammer has hit the nail in the right place. I'm sticking to bi curious A or B as I think it's as honest a choice fab offers. Thank you.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I don't think that we can crush the huge spectrum of human personality amongst billions of people, into 2 or 3 boxes. Our species is much more complex than that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't think that we can crush the huge spectrum of human personality amongst billions of people, into 2 or 3 boxes. Our species is much more complex than that. "

True. I've opened a huge can of worms. Thank you you all for your input, all valued too. Anyway bed time for me. Goodnight fab.

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