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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

just reading that 91 thousand jobs are to be cut in the civil service to save money.

my question if we can do without them why were they there in th first place?

finaly someone has realised that the public sector is way over staffed and over funded, and dont forget, we all pay for them.

my ex father inlaw was one of them, he worked at best 6 hrs 4 days a week, earened a good chunk, with a great pension, but couldnt really tell me what he did.......

its about time we cut down on these people, most who think they change the world, but in reality dont really earn their keep in any way.

most who work in the public sector that i know, do so because they know they could never get a job in the private sector, and yes there are exeptions, but its time the thought that its an easy way to make ok money , but not having to really do much changed.

as you may guess i support the move.

from someone who has always worked for himself and had to battle burocrousy all the way.

ps sorry about spelling i left school early to earn a living

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

however i do feel for the people involved, they thought they had a job for life, families etc, and now wont, and no skills in the real world, i guess our taxes will just have to go up to pay for them, so maybe not such a good idea after all

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

The real world, oh dear.

They'll probably outsource the work to private companies who'll skimp and take short cuts like G4S running prisons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having worked in both the private sector and the public sector I think this move is the write move, yes granted there will be unemployment but they can offset that with retirements. In the private sector I was always under sever pressure to perform, always stressed over performance, and we were always looking for cost savings and how to improve how we do things in an effort to save money for the customer. In the public sector it’s the polar opposite, there’s no emphasis on saving money, it’s far more relaxed with getting work done, and there’s relatively no pressure. Personally I find a bit difficult because I’ve always been used to the pressure so much so that I’ve found it difficult to adjust, almost feels lazy. Think these jobs cuts are a good idea, apart from the fact these people have mortgages to pay, and mouths to feed in an already difficult time.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

I'd argue we can't so without them but will be forced to anyway. Depending what department they are in of course.

I work for the civil service and the department I work for is already woefully understaffed and it's difficult to recruit and retain new people.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"The real world, oh dear.

They'll probably outsource the work to private companies who'll skimp and take short cuts like G4S running prisons. "

Yep. Or Amey who do the facilities maintenance and would rather take the fine for not completing work because it's cheaper!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"however i do feel for the people involved, they thought they had a job for life, families etc, and now wont, and no skills in the real world, i guess our taxes will just have to go up to pay for them, so maybe not such a good idea after all"

No skills in the real world?! How do you work that one out?

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

I couldn’t disagree more. Sweeping statements there as well.

I’ve worked in both sectors and could again if I wanted, I don’t understand why you think people wouldn’t be able to get jobs elsewhere.

Let’s hope when they cut those staff it isn’t in a service that you need.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What a statement. So your saying people in the public sector jobs can't get jobs in the private sector. Can you please explain your rationale for this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just reading that 91 thousand jobs are to be cut in the civil service to save money.

my question if we can do without them why were they there in th first place?

finaly someone has realised that the public sector is way over staffed and over funded, and dont forget, we all pay for them.

my ex father inlaw was one of them, he worked at best 6 hrs 4 days a week, earened a good chunk, with a great pension, but couldnt really tell me what he did.......

its about time we cut down on these people, most who think they change the world, but in reality dont really earn their keep in any way.

as you may guess i support the move.

from someone who has always worked for himself and had to battle burocrousy all the way.

ps sorry about spelling i left school early to earn a living"

They probably can't 'do with out them'

The reality is they're probably going to reinterpret everyone and expect those who stay to do 1.5 or 2 peoples worth of work for the same amount of pay so they can save money.

The same happened to my mum who worked for the council for years. For every 3 people they wanted to get rid of 1 and expect the remaining 2 to do the extra work.

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By *agusMan
over a year ago

Near by

Cutting MP expenses would be a better place to start, one MP claimed £222,000 last year and that probably isn't the highest.

I feel for those losing their jobs whilst being run by money wasting rich bosses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also your post reeks of bitterness towards 1. People who work in the public and sector and 2. Those who 'didn't leave school early to earn a living'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also our taxes going up pays for Government waste like the £37bn given to Test and trace (to mate of the Government Dido Harding who has never run a successful business in her life, so heaven knows why they thought she'd do a good job with that kind of money)

- and I know you're alluding to benefits, so let me say this - if everyone claimed the benefits they were actually entitled to under the current system, it'd cost another £15bn. So be glad that people actually don't, instead of demonising those that do. Indeed, those that don't probably don't because of the fear of demonisation.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Cutting MP expenses would be a better place to start, one MP claimed £222,000 last year and that probably isn't the highest.

I feel for those losing their jobs whilst being run by money wasting rich bosses. "

They got paid expenses because they had to work in London and their own constituency which could mean running two homes - but that was back then. Their expense accounts are obscene - they are a massive salary in themselves. Then along with that they are allowed two jobs. Why should they get expenses if they have two jobs? How can they be giving their primary role their full attendance commitment if they have two jobs?

I work in the public sector and I am not allowed two jobs. It is in my contract.

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Cutting MP expenses would be a better place to start, one MP claimed £222,000 last year and that probably isn't the highest.

I feel for those losing their jobs whilst being run by money wasting rich bosses. "

Comparatively speaking, MPs expensive and even wages are peanuts compared to 91000 wages and pensions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cutting MP expenses would be a better place to start, one MP claimed £222,000 last year and that probably isn't the highest.

I feel for those losing their jobs whilst being run by money wasting rich bosses.

I work in the public sector and I am not allowed two jobs. It is in my contract. "

For me MP salaries should be means-tested. People like Rees-Mogg don't need a salary, they're already rich and earn enough from their "investments". Also why do we allow rich people control of our lives? They have no idea of the cost of living, or what ordinary people have to put up with on a daily basis.

If an MP wants a second job, fine, but they lose their MP salary. Let them work for us for free if they want to work for the private sector at the same time. And if they don't like it, they can quit their seocnd job or they can quit as an MP and let someone who will actually work full-time for their constituents.

Also why isn't this in the politics bit

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By *ighty_tightyMan
over a year ago

Norfolk/Suffolk

"Cutting MP expenses would be a better place to start, one MP claimed £222,000 last year and that probably isn't the highest.

I feel for those losing their jobs whilst being run by money wasting rich bosses.

I work in the public sector and I am not allowed two jobs. It is in my contract. "

A massive salary? Compared to who?

These are the people running the country, the equivalent of being a board member of a multinational company. The wages are peanuts, it's no wonder we get monkeys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Having worked in both the private sector and the public sector I think this move is the write move, yes granted there will be unemployment but they can offset that with retirements. In the private sector I was always under sever pressure to perform, always stressed over performance, and we were always looking for cost savings and how to improve how we do things in an effort to save money for the customer. In the public sector it’s the polar opposite, there’s no emphasis on saving money, it’s far more relaxed with getting work done, and there’s relatively no pressure. Personally I find a bit difficult because I’ve always been used to the pressure so much so that I’ve found it difficult to adjust, almost feels lazy. Think these jobs cuts are a good idea, apart from the fact these people have mortgages to pay, and mouths to feed in an already difficult time. "

Absolutely this, same experience myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cutting MP expenses would be a better place to start, one MP claimed £222,000 last year and that probably isn't the highest.

I feel for those losing their jobs whilst being run by money wasting rich bosses.

I work in the public sector and I am not allowed two jobs. It is in my contract.

A massive salary? Compared to who?

These are the people running the country, the equivalent of being a board member of a multinational company. The wages are peanuts, it's no wonder we get monkeys"

Probably compared to those who work private sector jobs and don't get an expense account running into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

And MPs get £81k a year. I'd kill for £81k a year. They get their expenses on top of that, so that £81k a year becomes even more lucrative.

It's only ever the rich MPs, by the way, that complain about the MP salary not being enough. You never hear the MPs who actually do the job for their constituents complaining about the salary. They knew what it was when they signed up.

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By *ickJMan
over a year ago

Hemel Hempstead

"The real world, oh dear.

They'll probably outsource the work to private companies who'll skimp and take short cuts like G4S running prisons. "

Yep, and those private companies will be owned by... Tory party contributors!

Like the £37 billion they gave to Dido Harding (that's the cost of TWO Channel Tunnels!) for an excel spreadsheet! (that didn't work properly)

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By *lint-EverhardMan
over a year ago

Perpignan and cap

Pigeons meet cat, cat meet pigeons.

Sack em I say.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

As a humble admin officer in the civil service we were one of the departments that recruited executive officers on fixed term contracts when the pandemic started as we were going to need extra staff to cope.It looks like the majority in London will be retained as we are not a over staffed department and also some of us myself included maybe retiring or taking partial retirement over the next 2-5 years.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

If you think the cut's are coming from those few on the mega bucks you are delusional.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

Yeah I'm one of them. I am probably, technically, entitled to low rate PIP. However, I've never bothered to claim because

a) I know they'll probably initially reject me and I can't be faffed begging for it at an appeal or tribunal

b) I don't NEED the money, I work FT and earn a decent wage

c) I don't want to be judged. It's bad enough having a blue badge!

BUT, by not claiming PIP, I'm not entitled to a bunch of other stuff, like a cinema pass that proves I need a wheelchair space, free carer tickets for things, and the biggest thing - no help with the cost of mobility equipment. Now, to get the mobility component of PIP, you need to get higher rate and I don't think I'd qualify anyway, but a few quid from PIP would at least subsidise the £4400 for my new wheelchair

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By *itygamesMan
over a year ago

They might do what p&o did....re employ on minimum wage

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan
over a year ago

Coventry

Aren't they always boasting how many jobs there are now? So if the Tories are right these civil service employees have nothing to fear. They should be able to easily swap their stable pensioned jobs easily for a new role as Devlieroo rider.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"just reading that 91 thousand jobs are to be cut in the civil service to save money.

my question if we can do without them why were they there in th first place?

finaly someone has realised that the public sector is way over staffed and over funded, and dont forget, we all pay for them.

my ex father inlaw was one of them, he worked at best 6 hrs 4 days a week, earened a good chunk, with a great pension, but couldnt really tell me what he did.......

its about time we cut down on these people, most who think they change the world, but in reality dont really earn their keep in any way.

as you may guess i support the move.

from someone who has always worked for himself and had to battle burocrousy all the way.

ps sorry about spelling i left school early to earn a living

They probably can't 'do with out them'

The reality is they're probably going to reinterpret everyone and expect those who stay to do 1.5 or 2 peoples worth of work for the same amount of pay so they can save money.

The same happened to my mum who worked for the council for years. For every 3 people they wanted to get rid of 1 and expect the remaining 2 to do the extra work. "

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

"Cutting MP expenses would be a better place to start, one MP claimed £222,000 last year and that probably isn't the highest.

I feel for those losing their jobs whilst being run by money wasting rich bosses.

I work in the public sector and I am not allowed two jobs. It is in my contract.

A massive salary? Compared to who?

These are the people running the country, the equivalent of being a board member of a multinational company. The wages are peanuts, it's no wonder we get monkeys"

I said their expenses accounts are like a massive salary in themselves. They get a wage then expenses that exceed the salary.

The difference is it isn’t a private company, they are public servants and the tax payer is paying for it.

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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago

It is always the same in these situations- some will take redundancy, some retirement, some redeployed and some will stay and do more work.

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

"Also your post reeks of bitterness towards 1. People who work in the public and sector and 2. Those who 'didn't leave school early to earn a living' "

you are probably right on both points, yes i had to work to get where i am, where ever that is, i have no shame in that, i do believe people in the public sector get an easy life compaired to the private sector, and this is confermed by people i know in both, not just internet talk. i also uderstand that we need people to run things but our local council recently advertised for a housing officer for instance, , no experiance needed, really, and the salary was around 80k a year, madness

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

and as to working in the real world, no most people i know who work for the local gov, well, they would never get a job in the real world, not ever having to deal with it. i certainly would never employ any of them

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"and as to working in the real world, no most people i know who work for the local gov, well, they would never get a job in the real world, not ever having to deal with it. i certainly would never employ any of them"

You are thinking of the civil service of old. People in the civil service are getting jobs in the private sector in their droves die to the skills they've honed in the public sector. I don't blame them. Money is better and in my sector at least there's much less danger involved.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Also your post reeks of bitterness towards 1. People who work in the public and sector and 2. Those who 'didn't leave school early to earn a living'

A housing officer would not be on 80k. That's head of department money.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

The purpose seems to be to cut the cost of government to reduce the cost of living. They estimate £3.6b a year could be saved. That would be enough to give everyone £60.

What happened to the £350m a week sent to the EU that could be sent to the NHS instead?

This Gov lies. Its not going to be about saving money, its going to be about outsourcing functions to their mates companies and getting nice fat kickbacks.

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

"Also your post reeks of bitterness towards 1. People who work in the public and sector and 2. Those who 'didn't leave school early to earn a living'

A housing officer would not be on 80k. That's head of department money. "

take it you work in the pulic sector then

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

"It is always the same in these situations- some will take redundancy, some retirement, some redeployed and some will stay and do more work. "

and how much will that cost?

ive been self employed most of my life, i dont get redundancy pay out, and no help with my pension, but i still pay the same tax, to help pay for those that do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The worrying think is that it was Jacob Rees-mogg that come up with the idea. I can't think of anyone else who is so far removed from what actually happens in real life.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It is always the same in these situations- some will take redundancy, some retirement, some redeployed and some will stay and do more work.

and how much will that cost?

ive been self employed most of my life, i dont get redundancy pay out, and no help with my pension, but i still pay the same tax, to help pay for those that do"

That's your choice though isn't it.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Also your post reeks of bitterness towards 1. People who work in the public and sector and 2. Those who 'didn't leave school early to earn a living'

A housing officer would not be on 80k. That's head of department money.

take it you work in the pulic sector then"

I do indeed and have no shame about it.

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

"It is always the same in these situations- some will take redundancy, some retirement, some redeployed and some will stay and do more work.

and how much will that cost?

ive been self employed most of my life, i dont get redundancy pay out, and no help with my pension, but i still pay the same tax, to help pay for those that do

That's your choice though isn't it. "

what yo add to the country or take from it, then yes

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

"Also your post reeks of bitterness towards 1. People who work in the public and sector and 2. Those who 'didn't leave school early to earn a living'

A housing officer would not be on 80k. That's head of department money.

take it you work in the pulic sector then

I do indeed and have no shame about it. "
. There is nothing to be ashamed of working in the public sector 21 years in the civil service for me

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

"Also your post reeks of bitterness towards 1. People who work in the public and sector and 2. Those who 'didn't leave school early to earn a living'

A housing officer would not be on 80k. That's head of department money.

take it you work in the pulic sector then

I do indeed and have no shame about it. . There is nothing to be ashamed of working in the public sector 21 years in the civil service for me "

very much depends on the role tho, most are very much needed and do a brilliant job, but there is a large minority that are the oposite.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It is always the same in these situations- some will take redundancy, some retirement, some redeployed and some will stay and do more work.

and how much will that cost?

ive been self employed most of my life, i dont get redundancy pay out, and no help with my pension, but i still pay the same tax, to help pay for those that do

That's your choice though isn't it.

what yo add to the country or take from it, then yes

I add the same as you and take nothing. Never claimed a benefit, never claimed job seekers (not that there is anything wrong with using the system when you need to, that's why it's there. Got the greater good).

You are no better than anybody else just because you choose to work for yourself.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

This is a direct reaction to the fact that Mogg has been trying to stop them working from home and failed

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

One point here tho. The Tories have demonised the civil service for years calling them fat cat civil servants on gold plated pensions. They of course are talking of a handful of senior service top dogs who advise the govery on what they can and cannot do.

Evie, the average civil servant works at the DVLA in Swansea and is often a part time mum working as a clerical assistant and earning buttons topped up by Universal Credit.

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

"It is always the same in these situations- some will take redundancy, some retirement, some redeployed and some will stay and do more work.

and how much will that cost?

ive been self employed most of my life, i dont get redundancy pay out, and no help with my pension, but i still pay the same tax, to help pay for those that do

That's your choice though isn't it.

what yo add to the country or take from it, then yes

You are no better than anybody else just because you choose to work for yourself.

never said i was better, its just a different state of mind

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By *akie32 OP Man
over a year ago

winchester

"This is a direct reaction to the fact that Mogg has been trying to stop them working from home and failed

let them work from home, there is little reason for them to go to an office, give a small , sell the buildings, make money ,reduce tax bills, oh that bit wont happen, but i really dont se the down side, aslong as they are policed to put the work in, if they need to do the school run, fine, let them work later etc

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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago

South Wales

That’s a lot of jobs to cut and I feel for those who will be affected. Having been through two redundancy situations myself I know how stressful it can be, even had to be interviewed for a different job in the same company at one point - that was just a bit of salt in the wound and I left after three months.

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By *avie65Man
over a year ago

In the west.

I'm a public sector worker and I have worked in the private sector as well.

Granted there will be some departments that are over staffed but there will be others that are under staffed. If that is the case there should be a chance for people to move about, if it is suitable.

Outsourcing has been mentioned above and from what I have experienced it doesn't work, and how much does it really cost!

This country and every country around the world needs the public sector.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is a direct reaction to the fact that Mogg has been trying to stop them working from home and failed

Good point.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

Deflection headlines designed to divert and divide..

Works every time as it allows some to have a go at someone else, often with a huge amount of ignorance of the actual roles others do..

Funny enough a large part of the increases since 2016 have been to try and sort out the mess that is brexit, to deal with reductions in all areas by guess who since 2010 ?

And any short term reductions post this sop to the Tories base will be backfilled no doubt by the private sector with higher costs for the posts..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"It is always the same in these situations- some will take redundancy, some retirement, some redeployed and some will stay and do more work.

and how much will that cost?

ive been self employed most of my life, i dont get redundancy pay out, and no help with my pension, but i still pay the same tax, to help pay for those that do

That's your choice though isn't it.

what yo add to the country or take from it, then yes

You are no better than anybody else just because you choose to work for yourself.

never said i was better, its just a different state of mind"

Its how you're coming across though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could always divert a couple of billion pounds from the foreign aid budget to help the poorest, including homeless, in this country….

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sir Humphrey Appleby: "Government policy has nothing to do with common sense'

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"One point here tho. The Tories have demonised the civil service for years calling them fat cat civil servants on gold plated pensions. They of course are talking of a handful of senior service top dogs who advise the govery on what they can and cannot do.

Evie, the average civil servant works at the DVLA in Swansea and is often a part time mum working as a clerical assistant and earning buttons topped up by Universal Credit."

Where has this average information come from, tom?

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

Whilst axing 91,000 will likely have the opposite effect on the cost of living and drive more people into poverty. I was just thinking of some of the salaries of our local exec heads. 10 execs have just been recruited all with salaries over £100k. I think they were 140- 190k. None of them will drive change as the previous ones were only in post a matter of years.

It's an audacious sum that would be hard to fill/find (without a huge skill set) even in the private sector.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Also your post reeks of bitterness towards 1. People who work in the public and sector and 2. Those who 'didn't leave school early to earn a living'

People who didn't leave school early and went to college and university have also had to work hard to where they are, not sure why you're under the impression that they haven't?

Also if public sector is so easy why dont you go and get a job there instead of looking down your nose and talking rubbish about those who work there?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is always the same in these situations- some will take redundancy, some retirement, some redeployed and some will stay and do more work.

and how much will that cost?

ive been self employed most of my life, i dont get redundancy pay out, and no help with my pension, but i still pay the same tax, to help pay for those that do

That's your choice though isn't it.

what yo add to the country or take from it, then yes

You are no better than anybody else just because you choose to work for yourself.

never said i was better, its just a different state of mind"

You never said you were better but you definitely think it judging by some of your comments

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Evie, the average civil servant works at the DVLA in Swansea and is often a part time mum working as a clerical assistant and earning buttons topped up by Universal Credit.

Where has this average information come from, tom?

I made it up....

The point is that the overwhelming total of civil servants work in Swansea, Perterbourough, Newcastle, the ports etc and not wearing a pinstripe suit and bowler hat walking down Whitehall . Most are not paid well at all and final salary pensions are long gone...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Evie, the average civil servant works at the DVLA in Swansea and is often a part time mum working as a clerical assistant and earning buttons topped up by Universal Credit.

Where has this average information come from, tom?

I made it up....

Well blow me down with a feather.....you made it up?!

I think people don't realise just how many different jobs there are in the civil service and just how hard working the people that work there are.

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By *etcplCouple
over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

My understanding is that this is about central gov departments, and not local gov.

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"just reading that 91 thousand jobs are to be cut in the civil service to save money.

my question if we can do without them why were they there in th first place?

finaly someone has realised that the public sector is way over staffed and over funded, and dont forget, we all pay for them.

my ex father inlaw was one of them, he worked at best 6 hrs 4 days a week, earened a good chunk, with a great pension, but couldnt really tell me what he did.......

its about time we cut down on these people, most who think they change the world, but in reality dont really earn their keep in any way.

as you may guess i support the move.

from someone who has always worked for himself and had to battle burocrousy all the way.

ps sorry about spelling i left school early to earn a living"

The problem is that as soon as you say civil service most people think people in stuffy rooms in London! When most people are out there on the front line! … so if you really want to cut job centre staff for example. Or people out there helping the most vulnerable in society, then you best have a bloody good plan!

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Evie, the average civil servant works at the DVLA in Swansea and is often a part time mum working as a clerical assistant and earning buttons topped up by Universal Credit.

Where has this average information come from, tom?

I made it up....

Well blow me down with a feather.....you made it up?!

Well here is a statement that Tom has not made up. You are bloody awesome person Evie

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

Evie, the average civil servant works at the DVLA in Swansea and is often a part time mum working as a clerical assistant and earning buttons topped up by Universal Credit.

Where has this average information come from, tom?

I made it up....

Well blow me down with a feather.....you made it up?!

Well here is a statement that Tom has not made up. You are bloody awesome person Evie

Mwah xxxx

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"This is a direct reaction to the fact that Mogg has been trying to stop them working from home and failed

Let’s not call it home working.. let’s call it hybrid working… I work home 50% and work in the office 50%

What’s the problem.. I probably get more done in the quiet atmosphere of my home than the loud noise of the office

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

Evie, the average civil servant works at the DVLA in Swansea and is often a part time mum working as a clerical assistant and earning buttons topped up by Universal Credit.

Where has this average information come from, tom?

Actually for once in his life Tom made a bloody good point… because my first thought was .. yeah, cut the jobs and try to then explain backlogs at places like the DVLA…. Or the passport office. Or at border control , less staff in prisons ect ect

Those are your average civil service jobs…

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By *edheadjMan
over a year ago

High Wycombe

They're not cutting them because they're not needed. Boris is doing it out of spite because he wants them all back in the office, rather than wfh so his mates who own the buildings get paid.

No doubt the ones who are going to be let go, their jobs will be outsourced to a private company owned by another one of his donors.

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By *andy2123Couple
over a year ago

Portsmouth

If they save the money, where does it go? X

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By *omer47Man
over a year ago

leigh

"The real world, oh dear.

They'll probably outsource the work to private companies who'll skimp and take short cuts like G4S running prisons. "

Yes your probably right. Also don't forget that they,(civil servants),are allowed flexi time work hours, and get a nice pension. On the downside of things, have you thought about the amount of money they will receive in redundancy payouts?.my wife was a civil servant for 33yrs and took redundancy and she got £40000.if you think 90000 are going to be made redundant then the tax payers money will be an almighty amount paid to get rid of these civil servants.

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By *elvet RopeMan
over a year ago

by the big field

I think we could save a good few quid more by removing the MP’s final salary pension scheme abd replacing it with an off the shelf scheme like many companies now have, loosing the subsidised bars in parliament, ditching the second home allowance that they then use ‘expenses’ to decorate before selling at a profit and finally putting them on hourly rates with timesheets to show what they’re working on- like many other businesses do with staff (also, deducting any income gains from their salary for anything they vote for where they’re on the board or have financial stake)- time to remind the fuckers like Rees Mogg that they work for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some wildly sweeping statements made here, and a lack of true understanding of what the Civil Service covers. It's not all just high paid admin roles.

You include Border Force, HM Coastguard, the NCA, SFO. I would say quite strongly we need all of them.

Now to drink some water, the amount of saltiness in your post left me dehydrated.

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By *ryandseeMan
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Al I can say I never stop being astonished by some people's misguided prejudices and rather simplistic generalisations. Enjoy the debate

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If the civil service were a race then this would be racism pure and simple

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As someone who is self-employed also and without any drive to obtain money I don't personally care. The announcement causes a level of frustration and outrage from every angle and those who are in control of the money get to sit back and laugh about it.

For those who will lose their incomes life will change and likely be difficult at least for a while. The burden will fall on the tax payer to pay for them so this way we get to pay them to not work.

As I wrote, I cannot bothered with the drive for wealth and the arguement is designed to enflame tempers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they save the money, where does it go? X"

Abroad of course

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

You mean no civil servants ?

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"As someone who is self-employed also and without any drive to obtain money I don't personally care. The announcement causes a level of frustration and outrage from every angle and those who are in control of the money get to sit back and laugh about it.

For those who will lose their incomes life will change and likely be difficult at least for a while. The burden will fall on the tax payer to pay for them so this way we get to pay them to not work.

As I wrote, I cannot bothered with the drive for wealth and the arguement is designed to enflame tempers."

So if you can't get a passport ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

Cheers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know a number of people who are civil servants and hands down their chief complaint is the technology they are using. I work in IT, and some of the horror stories make it obvious why there are so many staff. Lots of functions could and should have been automated to better serve the public.

Politics apparently get in the way of progress

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

So you don't want roads maintained, street lighting, libraries, hospitals, schools, police, fire, military, etc...

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Deflection headlines designed to divert and divide..

Works every time as it allows some to have a go at someone else, often with a huge amount of ignorance of the actual roles others do..

Funny enough a large part of the increases since 2016 have been to try and sort out the mess that is brexit, to deal with reductions in all areas by guess who since 2010 ?

And any short term reductions post this sop to the Tories base will be backfilled no doubt by the private sector with higher costs for the posts..

A very large increase under Blair to make employment figures look better...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

They don't...they want anarchy but they do not know what that will look like...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've worked in the public sector for over 40 years and my areas have always been understaffed such that we could barely function. By contrast there is massive financial mismanagement and waste, often in pursuit of projects doomed to failure. We always used to say that if we were a private sector business, we'd go broke in a year. Then I worked a year out in the private sector, and it turned out we were way better. Go figure.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

The government wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs to “save money”…..yawn

Not an exhaustive list of taxpayer money they have wasted in last 2 years

£9,000,000,000 written off bounce back loans

£4,900,000,000 written off out of date PPE

£36,000,000,000 track and trace

£850,000,000 eat out to help out

£72,000,000 lease of Govt charter plane

£53,000,000 garden bridge project written off

£25,000,000 annual cost of maintaining 10681 long term empty MOD homes

£900,000 Irish sea tunnel feasibility study

£900,000 repainting Johnson’s aeroplane

£320,000 Johnsons London water cannon, sold for £25K scrap

£3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The government wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs to “save money”…..yawn

Not an exhaustive list of taxpayer money they have wasted in last 2 years

£9,000,000,000 written off bounce back loans

£4,900,000,000 written off out of date PPE

£36,000,000,000 track and trace

£850,000,000 eat out to help out

£72,000,000 lease of Govt charter plane

£53,000,000 garden bridge project written off

£25,000,000 annual cost of maintaining 10681 long term empty MOD homes

£900,000 Irish sea tunnel feasibility study

£900,000 repainting Johnson’s aeroplane

£320,000 Johnsons London water cannon, sold for £25K scrap

£3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch"

But, in her defence, it was a REALLY tasty steak

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The government wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs to “save money”…..yawn

Not an exhaustive list of taxpayer money they have wasted in last 2 years

£9,000,000,000 written off bounce back loans

£4,900,000,000 written off out of date PPE

£36,000,000,000 track and trace

£850,000,000 eat out to help out

£72,000,000 lease of Govt charter plane

£53,000,000 garden bridge project written off

£25,000,000 annual cost of maintaining 10681 long term empty MOD homes

£900,000 Irish sea tunnel feasibility study

£900,000 repainting Johnson’s aeroplane

£320,000 Johnsons London water cannon, sold for £25K scrap

£3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch

But, in her defence, it was a REALLY tasty steak

How many were fed for 3k

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The government wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs to “save money”…..yawn

Not an exhaustive list of taxpayer money they have wasted in last 2 years

£9,000,000,000 written off bounce back loans

£4,900,000,000 written off out of date PPE

£36,000,000,000 track and trace

£850,000,000 eat out to help out

£72,000,000 lease of Govt charter plane

£53,000,000 garden bridge project written off

£25,000,000 annual cost of maintaining 10681 long term empty MOD homes

£900,000 Irish sea tunnel feasibility study

£900,000 repainting Johnson’s aeroplane

£320,000 Johnsons London water cannon, sold for £25K scrap

£3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch

But, in her defence, it was a REALLY tasty steak

How many were fed for 3k"

Errrrrrr. 3. And an office assistant's chihuahua (took a doggy bag).

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The government wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs to “save money”…..yawn

Not an exhaustive list of taxpayer money they have wasted in last 2 years

£9,000,000,000 written off bounce back loans

£4,900,000,000 written off out of date PPE

£36,000,000,000 track and trace

£850,000,000 eat out to help out

£72,000,000 lease of Govt charter plane

£53,000,000 garden bridge project written off

£25,000,000 annual cost of maintaining 10681 long term empty MOD homes

£900,000 Irish sea tunnel feasibility study

£900,000 repainting Johnson’s aeroplane

£320,000 Johnsons London water cannon, sold for £25K scrap

£3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch

But, in her defence, it was a REALLY tasty steak

How many were fed for 3k

Errrrrrr. 3. And an office assistant's chihuahua (took a doggy bag)."

You jest

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

£3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch

But, in her defence, it was a REALLY tasty steak

How many were fed for 3k"

Truss was forced to correct a parliamentary question about the south-east Asia trip and disclose that the cost to the taxpayer included £20,296 on flights, £3,980 on accommodation and £4,034 – or £250 a day for each person – on expenses.

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

£3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch

But, in her defence, it was a REALLY tasty steak

How many were fed for 3k

And the 3k meal?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"The government wants to cut up to 91,000 civil service jobs to “save money”…..yawn

Not an exhaustive list of taxpayer money they have wasted in last 2 years

£9,000,000,000 written off bounce back loans

£4,900,000,000 written off out of date PPE

£36,000,000,000 track and trace

£850,000,000 eat out to help out

£72,000,000 lease of Govt charter plane

£53,000,000 garden bridge project written off

£25,000,000 annual cost of maintaining 10681 long term empty MOD homes

£900,000 Irish sea tunnel feasibility study

£900,000 repainting Johnson’s aeroplane

£320,000 Johnsons London water cannon, sold for £25K scrap

£3,000 Liz Truss private members club lunch

But, in her defence, it was a REALLY tasty steak

How many were fed for 3k

Errrrrrr. 3. And an office assistant's chihuahua (took a doggy bag).

You jest "

It was all over the booze. Actually, the booze might have been all over them

It wasn't many more than 3. Lizzy, US trade representative (Katherine Tai) and perhaps a secretary each? It might have been a sausage dog

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
over a year ago

nearby

Cue Tory MP Lee Underwood to tell people they should “learn to cook….meals at 30p” a throw

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem with posts like these is that we all just agree with the comments that fit our views and ignore those that don't.

The reality is there's truth on both sides of the argument. Is there massive waste in the civil service? Of course. Are there lots of people idling away doing very little for a decent wage and wasting tax payers money? Absolutely.

Will blanket job reduction make the Civil Service more productive? Not in the slightest. The people sitting around doing fuck all for their wage have got away with this for a long time so clearly are not managed properly. Either their managers don't care, they are protected by nepotism or they're good enough bull shitters to convince management that they are worth what they're paid. Because of these reasons, it's unlikely these people will be the ones affected. Instead, it will be the lowest paid, the front line staff, those who don't toe the corporate line and actually stand up for what is right. The people that will go will be those who answer the phones, process your forms, deal with your enquiries.

The result will be longer backlogs, greater delays, less access to services that should be quick and easy and a system that's even less efficient than it already is as the ratio of useless twats to productive people will have gone up.

Numbers isn't the issue. Nepotism, favouritism and utter incompetence are the bane of the Civil Service and this latest hit of austerity will do sweet FA to counter this.

The answer isn't privatisation. This works in the short term and gives pretty quick monetary gains but these inevitably come at a long term cost. You could sack every lithe police officer, nurse and doctor and see a huge saving at the end of the first quarter but how long would it be before the system collapsed, emergency measures would need putting in place, agency staff hired at twice the cost etc etc. The only way privatisation can work is if they get paid on long term results with massive fines for not hitting agreed targets over 5 or 10 years with company directors personally liable for these fines. Can't see that ever happening though.

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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

"Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

So you don't want roads maintained, street lighting, libraries, hospitals, schools, police, fire, military, etc...

Almost all of that is also done by the private sector.

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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago

In my happy place

"My understanding is that this is about central gov departments, and not local gov."

People working at councils or local authorities are not civil servants.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

You may not need the services that others depend on and deserve. And may not care about falling standards of life in this country.

A race to the bottom is not good for the majority of the people in this country. Don't get taken in by the propaganda that those with vested interests spew out.

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By *batMan
over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"my question if we can do without them why were they there in th first place?"

The UK can probably do without them, it's just you'll get a lesser service. The end result will be wait longer for everything rather than getting rid of dead wood.

My suspicion is that the current Government will outsource some of the work to their mates companies and this will cost as much if not more in the long run.

", and dont forget, we all pay for them."

And don't forget, "they" pay for them too. Public Sector workers pay tax didn't you know?

"my ex father inlaw was one of them, he worked at best 6 hrs 4 days a week, earened a good chunk, with a great pension, but couldnt really tell me what he did......."

He sounds like a lazy twat or just didn't really want to talk to you about his work. Could be either. Lot's of lazy twats in the private sector too.

"its about time we cut down on these people, most who think they change the world, but in reality dont really earn their keep in any way."

Is it just Civil servants or all public sector? Do you want less Police, Fire Service, NHS (Did you clap for them?) Armed forces, Prison officers, Border Force, Passport Office staff, benefits office staff, social workers? (I'm sure you could add more onto the list yourself).

"most who work in the public sector that i know, do so because they know they could never get a job in the private sector"

So a publicly funded Prison Officer couldn't get a job in a private prison? A copper couldn't work in private security? A nurse couldn't work in the care sector? A soldier couldn't work in industry? A fighter pilot couldn't fly for Easyjet? A civil servant couldn't do finance for a factory? (other examples are available).

"ps sorry about spelling i left school early to earn a living"

A publicly funded teacher might have helped you out there, but my suspicion is you didn't want helping. (Maybe there weren't enough teachers at your school due to cuts?).

I've got to say, having had a full career in the public sector and now working part time in the private sector, my latter job is a piece of piss and gets waaaaay less scrutiny than my old role.

And whilst I wasn't changing the world in my old job, I changed a few people's lives, that's for sure. My new job? Just fun and extra money.

Gbat

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

So you don't want roads maintained, street lighting, libraries, hospitals, schools, police, fire, military, etc...

Almost all of that is also done by the private sector.

Emergency services, teachers, DR's, nurses etc are public sector totalling over 1.2 million that is not counting DVLA, Passport, border staff or military, backroom staff for emergency services, NHS ect.

The road repairs, streetlights etc are still organised by public sector workers.

But then you knew that but were just trying to be argumentative.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Cue Tory MP Lee Underwood to tell people they should “learn to cook….meals at 30p” a throw "

Did you read the rest of the article or just believe the out of context headline?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

So you don't want roads maintained, street lighting, libraries, hospitals, schools, police, fire, military, etc...

Almost all of that is also done by the private sector.

The road repairs, streetlights etc are still organised by public sector workers.

But then you knew that but were just trying to be argumentative.

And prison service. Everyone forgets the prison service

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By *asycouple1971Couple
over a year ago

midlands

Most jobs are duplicate jobs and nothing made up jobs.

Alot of ppl in some companies cannot justify their wages and are only there because of friends and family.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

"Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

So you don't want roads maintained, street lighting, libraries, hospitals, schools, police, fire, military, etc...

Almost all of that is also done by the private sector.

The road repairs, streetlights etc are still organised by public sector workers.

But then you knew that but were just trying to be argumentative.

And prison service. Everyone forgets the prison service

"
. Even though they are not to popular with the roll out of Universal Credit there is the DWP

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Most jobs are duplicate jobs and nothing made up jobs.

Alot of ppl in some companies cannot justify their wages and are only there because of friends and family."

What complete nonsense!

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Civil Service have adopted Spanish Working Practices and the government just want them out so they can change their conditions and start again..

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

"Is that all? I'll settle for nothing less than 100% of cuts to the public sector.

So you don't want roads maintained, street lighting, libraries, hospitals, schools, police, fire, military, etc...

Almost all of that is also done by the private sector.

The road repairs, streetlights etc are still organised by public sector workers.

But then you knew that but were just trying to be argumentative.

And prison service. Everyone forgets the prison service

Sorry

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"The Civil Service have adopted Spanish Working Practices and the government just want them out so they can change their conditions and start again.. "

Leave the Spanish alone, tom

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Tom is serious...these buggers have adopted Spanish Working Practices and insist that they work from home..

That's why they want rid of these buggers . ..

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Tom is serious...these buggers have adopted Spanish Working Practices and insist that they work from home..

That's why they want rid of these buggers . ..

Who knew the Spanish were such advocates of working from home...

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Tom is serious...these buggers have adopted Spanish Working Practices and insist that they work from home..

That's why they want rid of these buggers . ..

Who knew the Spanish were such advocates of working from home...

The government want srses behind desks..

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

I don't think for a second that the public sector is over-staffed or over-paid. The country would not run without it.

Of course, that's quite a wide sector, so there will be quite a spectrum of salaries.

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

"Tom is serious...these buggers have adopted Spanish Working Practices and insist that they work from home..

That's why they want rid of these buggers . ..

Who knew the Spanish were such advocates of working from home...

The government want srses behind desks.. "
. As I work for the civil service in a customer facing role in my part of the civil service it is considered important we do more face to face interview

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Tom is serious...these buggers have adopted Spanish Working Practices and insist that they work from home..

That's why they want rid of these buggers . ..

Who knew the Spanish were such advocates of working from home...

The government want srses behind desks.. "

Yes, I'd got that. Just wondered what the Spaniards had to do with it!

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"My suspicion is that the current Government will outsource some of the work to their mates companies and this will cost as much if not more in the long run. "

100%!

And none of us can claim surprise when they do. They've been at war with the Private Sector since at least so-called austerity began.

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By *pank the MonkeyCouple
over a year ago

Down the Rabbit Hole and Round the Corner

Johnson and his mates are just a bunch of tossers.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Johnson and his mates are just a bunch of tossers."

Woh... that's a bit over-polite! ??

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By *pank the MonkeyCouple
over a year ago

Down the Rabbit Hole and Round the Corner

"Johnson and his mates are just a bunch of tossers.

Woh... that's a bit over-polite! ??"

I excel I'm being over polite as cunt sometimes offends

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By *ssex_tomMan
over a year ago

Chelmsford

The truth is that the civil servants were adopting Spanish Working Practices.. the Government cannot get them back into work so they will clear them out ....

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"In the public sector it’s the polar opposite, there’s no emphasis on saving money, it’s far more relaxed with getting work done, and there’s relatively no pressure."

You can't be serious. NHS, Prisons, Children's Social Care...

No emphasis on saving money? No pressure?!

I'm afraid you are waaaaay off!

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By *mp411Man
over a year ago

chester

"Cutting MP expenses would be a better place to start, one MP claimed £222,000 last year and that probably isn't the highest.

I feel for those losing their jobs whilst being run by money wasting rich bosses.

I work in the public sector and I am not allowed two jobs. It is in my contract.

A massive salary? Compared to who?

These are the people running the country, the equivalent of being a board member of a multinational company. The wages are peanuts, it's no wonder we get monkeys

Probably compared to those who work private sector jobs and don't get an expense account running into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

And MPs get £81k a year. I'd kill for £81k a year. They get their expenses on top of that, so that £81k a year becomes even more lucrative.

£84,500,basic+£250,000(expenses)+£40,000 London accommodation+£20,000 office expenses+£16,000 for any committees they sit on(as many as they can)+free food and drinks+£300 when in parliament and I nearly forgot about the cough cough wink wink brown envelopes (gifts) oh and the second/third jobs all in all absolute lying theiveing corrupt hippocritical scumbags

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"In the public sector it’s the polar opposite, there’s no emphasis on saving money, it’s far more relaxed with getting work done, and there’s relatively no pressure.

You can't be serious. NHS, Prisons, Children's Social Care...

No emphasis on saving money? No pressure?!

I'm afraid you are waaaaay off! "

Absolutely.

I have worked in the public sector most of my working life and can honestly say that... pay rarely reflects workloads or decision making expectations. We are mostly over worked, under staffed and under paid. Many roles are also high pressure.

I work in Environmental Health and there's a national shortage of suitably qualified people, so many authorities are recruiting and paying for training. The department I work for has struggled to retain new recruits because they simply cannot cope with the workload and expectations.

Social work departments, the police, prisons etc all seem have similar problems.

I'm sure there are cushy jobs in the public sector, but they're not the norm.

Nita

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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

If you want to reduce public spending begin by downsizing parliament or wage cuts for elected officials. There's too many MP's as it is.

While you're at it get rid of the useless and outdated house of Lords.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"If you want to reduce public spending begin by downsizing parliament or wage cuts for elected officials. There's too many MP's as it is.

While you're at it get rid of the useless and outdated house of Lords."

And do a better job of catching tax avoiders - including MPs' spouses.

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