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"As a Man United fan from Derby who mostly watches them on TV, the Super League is a dreadful idea. From a football perspective, what gives us the right to be among Europe's elite with how we've been performing the past decade when Leicester have won the league and FA cup more recently? From a financial perspective, it's a cash grab to make the rich clubs stay rich because they don't have the jeopardy of missing out on Champions League football and missing out on that payout as a result. It allows Real Madrid and Barca and Juve to remain bankrolled so they can continue to dominate their leagues. It's driven by greed and takes away all that is romantic about football." If you could be promoted to and relegated from the super league would you be interested? | |||
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"As a Man United fan from Derby who mostly watches them on TV, the Super League is a dreadful idea. From a football perspective, what gives us the right to be among Europe's elite with how we've been performing the past decade when Leicester have won the league and FA cup more recently? From a financial perspective, it's a cash grab to make the rich clubs stay rich because they don't have the jeopardy of missing out on Champions League football and missing out on that payout as a result. It allows Real Madrid and Barca and Juve to remain bankrolled so they can continue to dominate their leagues. It's driven by greed and takes away all that is romantic about football." It’s a cash grab by EUFA | |||
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"As a Man United fan from Derby who mostly watches them on TV, the Super League is a dreadful idea. From a football perspective, what gives us the right to be among Europe's elite with how we've been performing the past decade when Leicester have won the league and FA cup more recently? From a financial perspective, it's a cash grab to make the rich clubs stay rich because they don't have the jeopardy of missing out on Champions League football and missing out on that payout as a result. It allows Real Madrid and Barca and Juve to remain bankrolled so they can continue to dominate their leagues. It's driven by greed and takes away all that is romantic about football. If you could be promoted to and relegated from the super league would you be interested?" That goes against the idea of the Super League that was first presented. If that was possible then it's just another version of a Champions League where relegated "big teams" would miss out on the financial rewards | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans" You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. | |||
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"As a Man United fan from Derby who mostly watches them on TV, the Super League is a dreadful idea. From a football perspective, what gives us the right to be among Europe's elite with how we've been performing the past decade when Leicester have won the league and FA cup more recently? From a financial perspective, it's a cash grab to make the rich clubs stay rich because they don't have the jeopardy of missing out on Champions League football and missing out on that payout as a result. It allows Real Madrid and Barca and Juve to remain bankrolled so they can continue to dominate their leagues. It's driven by greed and takes away all that is romantic about football. If you could be promoted to and relegated from the super league would you be interested? That goes against the idea of the Super League that was first presented. If that was possible then it's just another version of a Champions League where relegated "big teams" would miss out on the financial rewards" Yeah, I guess my point is that we all agree it is driven by greed. I think all top flight football is. The Champions League being the pinnacle of all that. So what's the difference? Just the lack of relegation and promotion? | |||
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"I thought the romance of football was dead years ago. When TV companies took part in scheduling the following season's fixtures. Early this century I saw a fixture which was Bournemouth (could've been Portsmouth, but I think I'm right) v Newcastle on a weds night. I thought "Jesus those away fans are gonna have to take the fat end of two days off work for that". TV doesn't give a fuck about football fans. Watching last night's game was entertaining. A memorable match, but romantic? Na. " When football resumed with no supporters, we were told football is nothing without fans, yet we are still treated like shit by the broadcasters/FA/Premier league To give to very recent examples of my club An FA cup semi final arranged in London, between two north west clubs when there are no trains from the NW that weekend And whilst the Womens game is being promoted like mad, City women are in their FA Cup final next Sunday, 2.30pm kick off Meanwhile the mens team is scheduled to play West Ham in london the same day at 4.30pm This week, the mens fixture has been brought forward to a 2pm kick off | |||
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"It’s a shameless cash grab by teams who are scared of someone doing a Leicester again. The same teams who opposed the Newcastle takeover. If they try again the should be kicked out of the Premier League. Sport is about competition and they’re trying to put an end to that." Agreed. English fans pretty much destroyed it too. Good for them. The rest of Europe seemed alright with it. Especially Spain. So what's happened to football? I blame the TV companies. What do you think? | |||
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"I thought the romance of football was dead years ago. When TV companies took part in scheduling the following season's fixtures. Early this century I saw a fixture which was Bournemouth (could've been Portsmouth, but I think I'm right) v Newcastle on a weds night. I thought "Jesus those away fans are gonna have to take the fat end of two days off work for that". TV doesn't give a fuck about football fans. Watching last night's game was entertaining. A memorable match, but romantic? Na. When football resumed with no supporters, we were told football is nothing without fans, yet we are still treated like shit by the broadcasters/FA/Premier league To give to very recent examples of my club An FA cup semi final arranged in London, between two north west clubs when there are no trains from the NW that weekend And whilst the Womens game is being promoted like mad, City women are in their FA Cup final next Sunday, 2.30pm kick off Meanwhile the mens team is scheduled to play West Ham in london the same day at 4.30pm This week, the mens fixture has been brought forward to a 2pm kick off" Sucks doesn't it. The last top flight game I went to was 8 or 9 years ago. Valencia v Deportivo it was €10 a ticket. I asked a local if it was always that price he said "it can get very expensive if Barca come to play" apparently expensive was €20-25. 
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"It’s a shameless cash grab by teams who are scared of someone doing a Leicester again. The same teams who opposed the Newcastle takeover. If they try again the should be kicked out of the Premier League. Sport is about competition and they’re trying to put an end to that. Agreed. English fans pretty much destroyed it too. Good for them. The rest of Europe seemed alright with it. Especially Spain. So what's happened to football? I blame the TV companies. What do you think?" I think it’s greedy owners. Mostly American owners who want to make football more like the Super Bowl. | |||
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"It’s a shameless cash grab by teams who are scared of someone doing a Leicester again. The same teams who opposed the Newcastle takeover. If they try again the should be kicked out of the Premier League. Sport is about competition and they’re trying to put an end to that. Agreed. English fans pretty much destroyed it too. Good for them. The rest of Europe seemed alright with it. Especially Spain. So what's happened to football? I blame the TV companies. What do you think? I think it’s greedy owners. Mostly American owners who want to make football more like the Super Bowl." The champions League final looks exactly like the superbowl (I love how my phone always corrects that to superb owl) to me. 50 million times bigger too. | |||
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"It’s a shameless cash grab by teams who are scared of someone doing a Leicester again. The same teams who opposed the Newcastle takeover. If they try again the should be kicked out of the Premier League. Sport is about competition and they’re trying to put an end to that. Agreed. English fans pretty much destroyed it too. Good for them. The rest of Europe seemed alright with it. Especially Spain. So what's happened to football? I blame the TV companies. What do you think? I think it’s greedy owners. Mostly American owners who want to make football more like the Super Bowl. The champions League final looks exactly like the superbowl (I love how my phone always corrects that to superb owl) to me. 50 million times bigger too. " Minus the ridiculous adverts and unnecessary halftime show. If a sport needs entertainment halfway through it’s clearly not entertaining enough. | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities." Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team | |||
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"It’s a shameless cash grab by teams who are scared of someone doing a Leicester again. The same teams who opposed the Newcastle takeover. If they try again the should be kicked out of the Premier League. Sport is about competition and they’re trying to put an end to that. Agreed. English fans pretty much destroyed it too. Good for them. The rest of Europe seemed alright with it. Especially Spain. So what's happened to football? I blame the TV companies. What do you think? I think it’s greedy owners. Mostly American owners who want to make football more like the Super Bowl. The champions League final looks exactly like the superbowl (I love how my phone always corrects that to superb owl) to me. 50 million times bigger too. Minus the ridiculous adverts and unnecessary halftime show. If a sport needs entertainment halfway through it’s clearly not entertaining enough. " A very good point. American sports developed alongside TV tho, they grew together. Ours have been part of a hostile takeover. Can you imagine how much a 15 second ad during half time of the champions league would cost. | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team" Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans" In fairness, the Americans at United are royally fucking the club up. Whereas at Liverpool they seem to be doing it right. That being said, I really don't want American owners at Chelsea. Or any consortium for that matter. As for the super league, that idea can fuck right off. I want to see my team fighting for multiple trophies, not just one that no-one else is invited into. I don't want to see my club play the same teams over and over a fucking gain. It's hard enough getting to games here, let alone traveling all over Europe to watch a game. I think the PL, or telly in particular needs a kick in the bollocks. 8.30 kick offs midweek, miles away from home. There's fuck all like making it easy for the true supporters. I want to see a club from the lower leagues giving those in the Premier League a battle. I want to see the glory and the struggles my team faces. If my club is successful or is relegated, that's part of the game. Take that away, take the supporters away, and the games lost whatever soul its got left. I know plenty of football supporters. I don't know one who was in favour of the Super League. And whoever thought it up is a cunt. And breathe..... 
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe?" I mean no disrespect BTW. After watching that doc today I have started pondering what football culture is so I'm here to listen. | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans In fairness, the Americans at United are royally fucking the club up. Whereas at Liverpool they seem to be doing it right. That being said, I really don't want American owners at Chelsea. Or any consortium for that matter. As for the super league, that idea can fuck right off. I want to see my team fighting for multiple trophies, not just one that no-one else is invited into. I don't want to see my club play the same teams over and over a fucking gain. It's hard enough getting to games here, let alone traveling all over Europe to watch a game. I think the PL, or telly in particular needs a kick in the bollocks. 8.30 kick offs midweek, miles away from home. There's fuck all like making it easy for the true supporters. I want to see a club from the lower leagues giving those in the Premier League a battle. I want to see the glory and the struggles my team faces. If my club is successful or is relegated, that's part of the game. Take that away, take the supporters away, and the games lost whatever soul its got left. I know plenty of football supporters. I don't know one who was in favour of the Super League. And whoever thought it up is a cunt. And breathe.....
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe?" I used to go to 3-4 games a season and buy the shirts before Mike Ashley. Now I’ve got a young family and wouldn’t want to spend my weekends away from them at the match. I still think I’m a proper fan. | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe?" Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things " I do believe in supporting your local team, yeah. Before TV you had to. I think I'm prehistoric tho | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things I do believe in supporting your local team, yeah. Before TV you had to. I think I'm prehistoric tho" So if you move are you going to support a different team then? | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans In fairness, the Americans at United are royally fucking the club up. Whereas at Liverpool they seem to be doing it right. That being said, I really don't want American owners at Chelsea. Or any consortium for that matter. As for the super league, that idea can fuck right off. I want to see my team fighting for multiple trophies, not just one that no-one else is invited into. I don't want to see my club play the same teams over and over a fucking gain. It's hard enough getting to games here, let alone traveling all over Europe to watch a game. I think the PL, or telly in particular needs a kick in the bollocks. 8.30 kick offs midweek, miles away from home. There's fuck all like making it easy for the true supporters. I want to see a club from the lower leagues giving those in the Premier League a battle. I want to see the glory and the struggles my team faces. If my club is successful or is relegated, that's part of the game. Take that away, take the supporters away, and the games lost whatever soul its got left. I know plenty of football supporters. I don't know one who was in favour of the Super League. And whoever thought it up is a cunt. And breathe.....
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That's quite a forthright and articulate diatribe, sir. Well spoken. "The whole travelling to games here is a nightmare. Lady Astor has a home and away season for her particular torture. A few weeks ago, away game at Newcastle. 8.30pm kick off. Tuesday night. So many hours on the coach the driver has to stop for a 45 minute break on the way home. They got in at 3am Wednesday morning. For those hard of thinking telly schedulers, THATS A FUCKING WORK DAY. Pricks. Winston | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things I do believe in supporting your local team, yeah. Before TV you had to. I think I'm prehistoric tho So if you move are you going to support a different team then? " There's a shit load of Polish Millwall fans round my way so yeah. I'm sure they follow their home team on the telly too. I'm not criticising you PD, but I am questioning football culture in general. What it has become etc. I used to love football, but I've wondered off now, disinterested and out of touch. Again, I don't consider myself a proper football fan because I've been to no more than a couple of dozen games in my life. I'd love to go to Anfield and hear them sing You'll Never Walk Alone, but the section I'm in will sing "daytripper" at me and they'd be right. | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans In fairness, the Americans at United are royally fucking the club up. Whereas at Liverpool they seem to be doing it right. That being said, I really don't want American owners at Chelsea. Or any consortium for that matter. As for the super league, that idea can fuck right off. I want to see my team fighting for multiple trophies, not just one that no-one else is invited into. I don't want to see my club play the same teams over and over a fucking gain. It's hard enough getting to games here, let alone traveling all over Europe to watch a game. I think the PL, or telly in particular needs a kick in the bollocks. 8.30 kick offs midweek, miles away from home. There's fuck all like making it easy for the true supporters. I want to see a club from the lower leagues giving those in the Premier League a battle. I want to see the glory and the struggles my team faces. If my club is successful or is relegated, that's part of the game. Take that away, take the supporters away, and the games lost whatever soul its got left. I know plenty of football supporters. I don't know one who was in favour of the Super League. And whoever thought it up is a cunt. And breathe.....
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That's quite a forthright and articulate diatribe, sir. Well spoken.
The whole travelling to games here is a nightmare. Lady Astor has a home and away season for her particular torture.
A few weeks ago, away game at Newcastle.
8.30pm kick off.
Tuesday night.
So many hours on the coach the driver has to stop for a 45 minute break on the way home.
They got in at 3am Wednesday morning.
For those hard of thinking telly schedulers, THATS A FUCKING WORK DAY.
Pricks.
Winston
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things I do believe in supporting your local team, yeah. Before TV you had to. I think I'm prehistoric tho So if you move are you going to support a different team then? There's a shit load of Polish Millwall fans round my way so yeah. I'm sure they follow their home team on the telly too. I'm not criticising you PD, but I am questioning football culture in general. What it has become etc. I used to love football, but I've wondered off now, disinterested and out of touch. Again, I don't consider myself a proper football fan because I've been to no more than a couple of dozen games in my life. I'd love to go to Anfield and hear them sing You'll Never Walk Alone, but the section I'm in will sing "daytripper" at me and they'd be right. "I've unfortunately only been to one game at Anfield but I'd go to every game if I won the lottery or someone wanted to pay for me to go  | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things I do believe in supporting your local team, yeah. Before TV you had to. I think I'm prehistoric tho So if you move are you going to support a different team then? There's a shit load of Polish Millwall fans round my way so yeah. I'm sure they follow their home team on the telly too. I'm not criticising you PD, but I am questioning football culture in general. What it has become etc. I used to love football, but I've wondered off now, disinterested and out of touch. Again, I don't consider myself a proper football fan because I've been to no more than a couple of dozen games in my life. I'd love to go to Anfield and hear them sing You'll Never Walk Alone, but the section I'm in will sing "daytripper" at me and they'd be right.
I've unfortunately only been to one game at Anfield but I'd go to every game if I won the lottery or someone wanted to pay for me to go "It is eye wateringly expensive in this country. Its just England too. I've been to games in Spain and Italy, my mates go to German games all the time. If it works there... | |||
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans In fairness, the Americans at United are royally fucking the club up. Whereas at Liverpool they seem to be doing it right. That being said, I really don't want American owners at Chelsea. Or any consortium for that matter. As for the super league, that idea can fuck right off. I want to see my team fighting for multiple trophies, not just one that no-one else is invited into. I don't want to see my club play the same teams over and over a fucking gain. It's hard enough getting to games here, let alone traveling all over Europe to watch a game. I think the PL, or telly in particular needs a kick in the bollocks. 8.30 kick offs midweek, miles away from home. There's fuck all like making it easy for the true supporters. I want to see a club from the lower leagues giving those in the Premier League a battle. I want to see the glory and the struggles my team faces. If my club is successful or is relegated, that's part of the game. Take that away, take the supporters away, and the games lost whatever soul its got left. I know plenty of football supporters. I don't know one who was in favour of the Super League. And whoever thought it up is a cunt. And breathe.....
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That's quite a forthright and articulate diatribe, sir. Well spoken.
The whole travelling to games here is a nightmare. Lady Astor has a home and away season for her particular torture.
A few weeks ago, away game at Newcastle.
8.30pm kick off.
Tuesday night.
So many hours on the coach the driver has to stop for a 45 minute break on the way home.
They got in at 3am Wednesday morning.
For those hard of thinking telly schedulers, THATS A FUCKING WORK DAY.
Pricks.
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things I do believe in supporting your local team, yeah. Before TV you had to. I think I'm prehistoric tho So if you move are you going to support a different team then? There's a shit load of Polish Millwall fans round my way so yeah. I'm sure they follow their home team on the telly too. I'm not criticising you PD, but I am questioning football culture in general. What it has become etc. I used to love football, but I've wondered off now, disinterested and out of touch. Again, I don't consider myself a proper football fan because I've been to no more than a couple of dozen games in my life. I'd love to go to Anfield and hear them sing You'll Never Walk Alone, but the section I'm in will sing "daytripper" at me and they'd be right.
I've unfortunately only been to one game at Anfield but I'd go to every game if I won the lottery or someone wanted to pay for me to go
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things I do believe in supporting your local team, yeah. Before TV you had to. I think I'm prehistoric tho So if you move are you going to support a different team then? There's a shit load of Polish Millwall fans round my way so yeah. I'm sure they follow their home team on the telly too. I'm not criticising you PD, but I am questioning football culture in general. What it has become etc. I used to love football, but I've wondered off now, disinterested and out of touch. Again, I don't consider myself a proper football fan because I've been to no more than a couple of dozen games in my life. I'd love to go to Anfield and hear them sing You'll Never Walk Alone, but the section I'm in will sing "daytripper" at me and they'd be right.
I've unfortunately only been to one game at Anfield but I'd go to every game if I won the lottery or someone wanted to pay for me to go
It is eye wateringly expensive in this country. Its just England too. I've been to games in Spain and Italy, my mates go to German games all the time. If it works there...
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"As a Manchester City season card holder, I and the vast majority of other City fans think it is a terrible idea Whilst I suffer all the racist "dirty oil" "ruining football" jibes plus all the other stuff, what people do not realise and need to wake up to is that the biggest threat to the future of football is American owners, as they are the ones driving this The next worst thing that can happen is Chelsea are bought by Americans You're a season ticket holder. A proper supporter. They're polling the kind of people who watch in the pub from far flung cities. Not everyone can afford to spend hundreds every week to travel or thousands a year for tickets. Just because you can't go it doesn't mean you aren't a proper supporter of your team Does it not? Educate me. Yeah fans have been priced out and I feel for them, but how can you support your team if you're not there? Buying merchandise maybe? Yes merchandise makes up a big part of a teams income, especially at almost 100 quid for a top or 60 odd for the cheaper option. That's a lot of money if you're buying 2 or 3 kits and on a low income. For you to be saying you aren't a proper supporter if don't go to the games you must either live local to your team or have money to burn that you don't need for other things I do believe in supporting your local team, yeah. Before TV you had to. I think I'm prehistoric tho So if you move are you going to support a different team then? There's a shit load of Polish Millwall fans round my way so yeah. I'm sure they follow their home team on the telly too. I'm not criticising you PD, but I am questioning football culture in general. What it has become etc. I used to love football, but I've wondered off now, disinterested and out of touch. Again, I don't consider myself a proper football fan because I've been to no more than a couple of dozen games in my life. I'd love to go to Anfield and hear them sing You'll Never Walk Alone, but the section I'm in will sing "daytripper" at me and they'd be right.
I've unfortunately only been to one game at Anfield but I'd go to every game if I won the lottery or someone wanted to pay for me to go
It is eye wateringly expensive in this country. Its just England too. I've been to games in Spain and Italy, my mates go to German games all the time. If it works there...
Crazy expensive in England, they definitely turn a good profit
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"I thought the romance of football was dead years ago. When TV companies took part in scheduling the following season's fixtures. Early this century I saw a fixture which was Bournemouth (could've been Portsmouth, but I think I'm right) v Newcastle on a weds night. I thought "Jesus those away fans are gonna have to take the fat end of two days off work for that". TV doesn't give a fuck about football fans. Watching last night's game was entertaining. A memorable match, but romantic? Na. " Us lower league teams have been trekking to far flung away games on a Tuesday or Wednesday night since forever! Nowt to do with TV. Fecking Bournemouth on a Tuesday, 7:45pm kick off | |||
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"As someone who used to go to Man Utd games in London during the 1980’s where all you had to do was que up and pay your money at the turnstiles.These games were always on a Saturday at 3.00 pm where the whole of the football league played at that time and occasionally evening games at 7.45. I would love to go back to those days but I know and accept it is never going to happen.I feel that television and the outrageous salary been paid to players has essentially ruined football and the Super League which collapsed would have been a bad thing from my point of view but obviously a money spinner for television companies and clubs " I didn't know until today that the Champions League was Silvio Berlisconi's idea. Says a lot. | |||
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Really?! I had no idea! I've always blamed the telly for such fixtures. I presume you mean Div 1 or 2? Championship matches get good coverage now it seems."What would now be called League One and League Two. It was 1st and 2nd Division when I was trekking to away games. We have always and still have frequent midweek fixtures and they can be absolutely anywhere. Carlisle on a freezing Wednesday evening  | |||
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"As a season ticket holder of a lower league team that travels 200 miles round trip every other week, I personally think that the Super league is a bad idea, there is already a massive gulf between clubs at the top and the Championship, there is a massive gulf between championship and league 1 and soon there will be one between league 1 and 2 (if not already there). Bringing a super league in will reduce the money filtering down to the lower leagues even further. Without the lower leagues in place you get no new players coming through" Utmost respect to anyone on a terrace in the depths of winter cheering on a lower league team potentially having hours long drives after a 0-0 draw. | |||
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"As a season ticket holder of a lower league team that travels 200 miles round trip every other week, I personally think that the Super league is a bad idea, there is already a massive gulf between clubs at the top and the Championship, there is a massive gulf between championship and league 1 and soon there will be one between league 1 and 2 (if not already there). Bringing a super league in will reduce the money filtering down to the lower leagues even further. Without the lower leagues in place you get no new players coming through Utmost respect to anyone on a terrace in the depths of winter cheering on a lower league team potentially having hours long drives after a 0-0 draw. " Fucking Grimsby Town | |||
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"Football lost any credibility long ago with teams being used to launder dirty foreign money and owned by repressive regimes that want to 'sports wash' their image." When you say "launder dirty money" are you talking about the club I support, Manchester City, and if so, please simply explain how it is "laundering" money Before you do though, there is a second question you can also answer Sheikh Mansour's money is his own and legitimately earned. Why would he have to launder legitimate cash? | |||
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"As a Man United fan from Derby who mostly watches them on TV, the Super League is a dreadful idea. From a football perspective, what gives us the right to be among Europe's elite with how we've been performing the past decade when Leicester have won the league and FA cup more recently? From a financial perspective, it's a cash grab to make the rich clubs stay rich because they don't have the jeopardy of missing out on Champions League football and missing out on that payout as a result. It allows Real Madrid and Barca and Juve to remain bankrolled so they can continue to dominate their leagues. It's driven by greed and takes away all that is romantic about football. It’s a cash grab by EUFA" It wasn’t even a UEFA because these clubs were breaking away from the champions league… I hate the new format coming in 2023/24! The funny thing is that fans in Spain and Italy were resigned to this happening because TV rights are not shared equally the way it is in the UK… The thought of relegation scares American owners for the same reason we love it, because there is sometimes as much in staying up as there is in winning | |||
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"As a Man United fan from Derby who mostly watches them on TV, the Super League is a dreadful idea. From a football perspective, what gives us the right to be among Europe's elite with how we've been performing the past decade when Leicester have won the league and FA cup more recently? From a financial perspective, it's a cash grab to make the rich clubs stay rich because they don't have the jeopardy of missing out on Champions League football and missing out on that payout as a result. It allows Real Madrid and Barca and Juve to remain bankrolled so they can continue to dominate their leagues. It's driven by greed and takes away all that is romantic about football. It’s a cash grab by EUFA It wasn’t even a UEFA because these clubs were breaking away from the champions league… I hate the new format coming in 2023/24! The funny thing is that fans in Spain and Italy were resigned to this happening because TV rights are not shared equally the way it is in the UK… The thought of relegation scares American owners for the same reason we love it, because there is sometimes as much in staying up as there is in winning " Do you mean the proposed wild card places for those ‘big’ clubs who miss out on a CL place due to their league standing. Oh but don’t worry we’ll give you a free pass because of your history. It just makes a joke of the league, why bother fighting for league position if it doesn’t matter to some clubs. On the Super League dreadful idea and glad the first attempt came to nothing. Long May it last. | |||
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"Just watched the documentary "Kicking Off" on iplayer. The final comment is from the chairman of Palace questioning the research that said "59% of English fans want a super league" he then says "who are they asking?". They're asking TV fans. The ones who pack the pubs in London at the tail end of the season.The "die hard" Liverpool fans who have never seen the City let alone been to Anfield. I'm not a proper supporter either, but I don't pretend to be. I think TV ruined football 20 odd years ago. What do actual football supporters think? Are any of you here?" Isn't the champions league already a version of a super league? ... With play offs at the end to determine the winner? | |||
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"Football lost any credibility long ago with teams being used to launder dirty foreign money and owned by repressive regimes that want to 'sports wash' their image. When you say "launder dirty money" are you talking about the club I support, Manchester City, and if so, please simply explain how it is "laundering" money Before you do though, there is a second question you can also answer Sheikh Mansour's money is his own and legitimately earned. Why would he have to launder legitimate cash?" Thats like saying the British Royals money is their own and legitimately earned. Abu Dhabi United Group is supposed to be a Investment group. A Investment group is supposed to make money. Not lose it. So why are they ok with losing money on his plaything..? | |||
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"I'd like there to be a super league. But on the condition that they wouldn't be allowed to participate in their own domestic competitions anymore. Then all the other teams can carry on like it was the pre Sky or Premier league era. " That's the entire premise. Leave the EPL and just play European teams. With all the big 4 or big 6 gone the broadcast deals would plummet. The money would fall out of the game. The quality would drop. Why would any team want to be crowned champions knowing full well there were 4 or more teams better than them in the country that they just hadn't played? | |||
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"I'd like there to be a super league. But on the condition that they wouldn't be allowed to participate in their own domestic competitions anymore. Then all the other teams can carry on like it was the pre Sky or Premier league era. That's the entire premise. Leave the EPL and just play European teams. With all the big 4 or big 6 gone the broadcast deals would plummet. The money would fall out of the game. The quality would drop. Why would any team want to be crowned champions knowing full well there were 4 or more teams better than them in the country that they just hadn't played?" I believe the super league teams also wanted to compete in the existing domestic competitions as well. So having their cake and eating it. If they all agreed to fuck off entirely I'd be down with that. The best teams are only consistently the best because of financial doping and the system which exists to preserve the status quo. In time perhaps history will repeat itself. West Ham or Newcastle may become the new dominant forces and become difficult to dislodge. There may be a battle and the super league will probably recruit the best players. But ask all the other fans of the other clubs if it necessarily matters. The Championship is often seen as one of the most entertaining and competitive leagues which isn't devoid of quality. The skewed finances at the top means players are hoarded and mercenaries sit on their fat contracts even if they don't play, Hazard, Bale etc. Lesser clubs become risk aversive because they can't compete or don't want to face financial suicide. Money and greed has killed the game. For those at the top of the tree, they're thriving and want to ensure it remains so with the rest just there to play a supporting role. | |||
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"I'd like there to be a super league. But on the condition that they wouldn't be allowed to participate in their own domestic competitions anymore. Then all the other teams can carry on like it was the pre Sky or Premier league era. That's the entire premise. Leave the EPL and just play European teams. With all the big 4 or big 6 gone the broadcast deals would plummet. The money would fall out of the game. The quality would drop. Why would any team want to be crowned champions knowing full well there were 4 or more teams better than them in the country that they just hadn't played?" That wasn't the premise. The 6 English teams that were going to be in the Super League would still have been playing in the Premier League. | |||
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"I'd like there to be a super league. But on the condition that they wouldn't be allowed to participate in their own domestic competitions anymore. Then all the other teams can carry on like it was the pre Sky or Premier league era. That's the entire premise. Leave the EPL and just play European teams. With all the big 4 or big 6 gone the broadcast deals would plummet. The money would fall out of the game. The quality would drop. Why would any team want to be crowned champions knowing full well there were 4 or more teams better than them in the country that they just hadn't played? That wasn't the premise. The 6 English teams that were going to be in the Super League would still have been playing in the Premier League. " untill the premier league said nope bye bye | |||
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"The Madrid game. Was that crowd noise fake? The front rows are were cordoned off. I have been to the Bernabuea (sic) and the Nou Camp and I came away blessed for the English and German leagues. So soulless, the chatting between goals. The Frankfurt and Rangers atmosphere looked terrific. Theres the difference between a super league and competition. How is it a competition when you know the results already, your just waiting for the goals. " Crowd noises are clearly heavily manipulated these days. Undesirable chants and swearing for example. The governing bodies are trying to take the game away from the people. The Bundesliga rejected the Super League idea as they're still heavily geared towards the fan base with 50+1 for example. In the greedy fat cats ideal world, the 'product' would become an event they could just sell globally like WWE or Ufc, playing in Asia, America or Dubai. I guess this is why they're floating the idea of the semi and final of champions league to be staged in a random city over a week and why the Premier league discussed a 39th game overseas years back. The traditional local legacy fan is just seen as a prop these days. | |||
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"I'd like there to be a super league. But on the condition that they wouldn't be allowed to participate in their own domestic competitions anymore. Then all the other teams can carry on like it was the pre Sky or Premier league era. That's the entire premise. Leave the EPL and just play European teams. With all the big 4 or big 6 gone the broadcast deals would plummet. The money would fall out of the game. The quality would drop. Why would any team want to be crowned champions knowing full well there were 4 or more teams better than them in the country that they just hadn't played?" No it wasn't. They wanted to still compete in their domestic leagues. It was to be a new midweek rival/replacement for the champions League. Just the premier said they'd expell them too. | |||
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"Football lost any credibility long ago with teams being used to launder dirty foreign money and owned by repressive regimes that want to 'sports wash' their image. When you say "launder dirty money" are you talking about the club I support, Manchester City, and if so, please simply explain how it is "laundering" money Before you do though, there is a second question you can also answer Sheikh Mansour's money is his own and legitimately earned. Why would he have to launder legitimate cash? Thats like saying the British Royals money is their own and legitimately earned. Abu Dhabi United Group is supposed to be a Investment group. A Investment group is supposed to make money. Not lose it. So why are they ok with losing money on his plaything..?" I'm not a spokesperson for a very rich Arab Sheikh, but your post is typical of the uninformed rubbish that was spouted when Mansour bought Manchester City Look up City Football Group and then look up Silverlake investment into Manchester City Mansour has spent around £1.5B on CFG and its infractstructure (Etihad campus as an example) The 2019 Silverlake investment places the CFG valuation at over £4B, so it's hardly a "play thing" As for the superleague, Chelsea are seemingly on the verge of an American takeover. As I said earlier in the thread, it's American owners who are the real danger to English football All of these will be American or majority American owned Arsenal Tottenham Manchester United Chelsea Liverpool Burnley Aston Villa Leeds United Crystal Palace In any vote regarding rule changes, it takes a majority of 14 clubs Americans do not understand the concept of promotion and relegation. Five more clubs and they could vote for a closed Premier league! | |||
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