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"I have heard that this is a thing. I gather it's pretty unusual though? The word that comes to mind is synesthesia, but it's the wrong word, it's sort of the opposite of that. Synesthesia is too much, what you're describing is less than normal. Damn it I'm sure I've read something about this. That's going to annoy me "Aphantasia I think? | |||
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"I’m like that too… That is why meditation, relaxation techniques and yoga are sheer torture to me… "Yes!!!! Same with all of those things. Apparently my nerve pain would improve if I could envisage myself on a beach. All trying to think about beaches does is reminds me that in December, I WAS on a beach and now I am in rainy old Manchester. This is very upsetting and not at all relaxing | |||
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"I can't visualise abstract things like a relaxing place, the idea makes me anxious. But I visualise my past, the way I felt, sounds, smells, touch and emotions. Which means I can be triggered in good and bad ways easily. " I'm exactly the same, and can visualise some quite specific times/places in my past (eg certain school classrooms or the feeling I said no to something and regretted it), but also struggle if given a broad, abstract brief like a 'relaxing place'. I can visualise a beach or open field but it would not relax me and would feel forced/false. | |||
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"Visualisation is very powerful as long as you can connect the senses to it as well. Not just what you can see but what you can hear, smell, taste and touch. It takes a lot of training to be able to put yourself in a different place in your mind" This was taught to me when I was having CBT therapy, especially in moments of high anxiety, it was a very good way to ground myself when I felt a panic coming on | |||
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"Visualisation is very powerful as long as you can connect the senses to it as well. Not just what you can see but what you can hear, smell, taste and touch. It takes a lot of training to be able to put yourself in a different place in your mind This was taught to me when I was having CBT therapy, especially in moments of high anxiety, it was a very good way to ground myself when I felt a panic coming on " The other thing the pain team can't get their heads around is that I'm not an anxious person at all. I don't exhibit anxiety and have never experienced anything like a panic attack or similar. I keep being asked to explain what I feel like when I'm anxious and equally struggle. It's like the pain clinic are finding more things broken about me than before I started  | |||
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"Visualisation is very powerful as long as you can connect the senses to it as well. Not just what you can see but what you can hear, smell, taste and touch. It takes a lot of training to be able to put yourself in a different place in your mind This was taught to me when I was having CBT therapy, especially in moments of high anxiety, it was a very good way to ground myself when I felt a panic coming on The other thing the pain team can't get their heads around is that I'm not an anxious person at all. I don't exhibit anxiety and have never experienced anything like a panic attack or similar. I keep being asked to explain what I feel like when I'm anxious and equally struggle. It's like the pain clinic are finding more things broken about me than before I started "I can only guess that "sometimes" anxiety and chronic pain can be associated, the anxiety makes you more hypersensitive to pain in general. In your case though it doesn't sound like that so I'm guessing theyre trying to rule that out maybe? | |||
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"I've been seeing people at a pain clinic and some of the things they've asked me to do have been, to me, quite bizarre. A lot of it involves visualisation of things, e.g. imagine a compassionate person or visualise a place where you feel truly relaxed, etc. Am I the only person who "sees" nothing? I can't envisage anything. I'm starting to think that the woman believes me to be wilfully difficult, but I genuinely find much of it completely impossible. I asked Mr KC to do the same things and he also draws a blank. He says he can't remember what his (deceased) grandparents look like, for example. I can describe mine, but without a photo in front of me, I don't "see" my grandparents, if asked to visualise them. Anyone who knows me will know, for example, that I adored my Grandad and was very close to him, so my lack of visualisation is not because of a lack of connection. Never mind the pain thing, I'm starting to think my brain is broken
Any thoughts, folks?! "Ability to visualize takes time like any other skill. Like a guided meditation. Stick with it... Its a powerful tool. Maybe start with something really simple... And practise it for a few minutes at a time. | |||
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"I passed on the pain clinic and went for the drugs "It's five years down the line. I have squashed nerves. I avoided most meds but take pregabalin only. I've mainly coped by trying to ignore it, which isn't always easy with neuropathy as you might well know. | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it" It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. " Next time we catch up I’m gonna tell you alllllll about my crazy mind and the weird shit it does and you’ll be relieved to be so damn clever and scientifically minded | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. " I'd say the woman taking the sessions lacks imagination herself. I can't visualise a scene from a description in a book or a pla, it has to be drawn. | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. Next time we catch up I’m gonna tell you alllllll about my crazy mind and the weird shit it does and you’ll be relieved to be so damn clever and scientifically minded "Can we do it while scranning pizza and cake?  | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. Next time we catch up I’m gonna tell you alllllll about my crazy mind and the weird shit it does and you’ll be relieved to be so damn clever and scientifically minded
Can we do it while scranning pizza and cake? "Yesssssssssss I can’t wait!!!!!!!!!  | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. I'd say the woman taking the sessions lacks imagination herself. I can't visualise a scene from a description in a book or a pla, it has to be drawn. " From the written word, I'll give the characters a physical image but it's more a descriptive list than an image? I don't know if that makes sense? It's certainly not a technicolour, 3D moving image with actions. It's more an outline. Also, I can't draw (unless it's with a ruler/straight lines) so I can't commit my "vision" to paper either! My latest homework required me to envision compassion (could be human or some other vision of compassion) and to describe emotions I felt during the vision. Also to describe what I'd say to it, what my facial expressions were. Honestly, I've never been more baffled in my life. The page is blank. | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. I'd say the woman taking the sessions lacks imagination herself. I can't visualise a scene from a description in a book or a pla, it has to be drawn. From the written word, I'll give the characters a physical image but it's more a descriptive list than an image? I don't know if that makes sense? It's certainly not a technicolour, 3D moving image with actions. It's more an outline. Also, I can't draw (unless it's with a ruler/straight lines) so I can't commit my "vision" to paper either! My latest homework required me to envision compassion (could be human or some other vision of compassion) and to describe emotions I felt during the vision. Also to describe what I'd say to it, what my facial expressions were. Honestly, I've never been more baffled in my life. The page is blank. " Yes it makes sense I would not be able to envision compassion although I can tell you that today it has a metallic taste and is the colour of petrol on water. Is the woman so hide bound that she can't adapt her techniques for you? | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. I'd say the woman taking the sessions lacks imagination herself. I can't visualise a scene from a description in a book or a pla, it has to be drawn. From the written word, I'll give the characters a physical image but it's more a descriptive list than an image? I don't know if that makes sense? It's certainly not a technicolour, 3D moving image with actions. It's more an outline. Also, I can't draw (unless it's with a ruler/straight lines) so I can't commit my "vision" to paper either! My latest homework required me to envision compassion (could be human or some other vision of compassion) and to describe emotions I felt during the vision. Also to describe what I'd say to it, what my facial expressions were. Honestly, I've never been more baffled in my life. The page is blank. Yes it makes sense I would not be able to envision compassion although I can tell you that today it has a metallic taste and is the colour of petrol on water. Is the woman so hide bound that she can't adapt her techniques for you? " It would seem that the pain clinic has a script. All people with chronic pain fit into the script. Presumably. The biggest bug bear is if I'd managed to be seen there within 2yrs of my injury, I might have qualified for a spinal cord stimulator. But I wasn't. And I don't now. I'm going to ask about something different tomorrow because it's getting more and more bizarre (to my mind) and not in the least bit helpful. | |||
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"I am a synaesthete and aphantastic. Apparently it's not common however I just think that people like me/us just think we're normal and don't talk about it It feels like the person taking the sessions disbelieves me and that she thinks I'm being wilfully difficult. As Aviatrix described above, I don't find meditation or yoga in the slightest bit relaxing or pleasant either. I'd say the woman taking the sessions lacks imagination herself. I can't visualise a scene from a description in a book or a pla, it has to be drawn. From the written word, I'll give the characters a physical image but it's more a descriptive list than an image? I don't know if that makes sense? It's certainly not a technicolour, 3D moving image with actions. It's more an outline. Also, I can't draw (unless it's with a ruler/straight lines) so I can't commit my "vision" to paper either! My latest homework required me to envision compassion (could be human or some other vision of compassion) and to describe emotions I felt during the vision. Also to describe what I'd say to it, what my facial expressions were. Honestly, I've never been more baffled in my life. The page is blank. Yes it makes sense I would not be able to envision compassion although I can tell you that today it has a metallic taste and is the colour of petrol on water. Is the woman so hide bound that she can't adapt her techniques for you? It would seem that the pain clinic has a script. All people with chronic pain fit into the script. Presumably. The biggest bug bear is if I'd managed to be seen there within 2yrs of my injury, I might have qualified for a spinal cord stimulator. But I wasn't. And I don't now. I'm going to ask about something different tomorrow because it's getting more and more bizarre (to my mind) and not in the least bit helpful. " It doesn't sound helpful at all. Mr N has asked several times to be referred to the pain clinic but after reading this he's wondering if it's worth it. | |||
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"I have heard that this is a thing. I gather it's pretty unusual though? The word that comes to mind is synesthesia, but it's the wrong word, it's sort of the opposite of that. Synesthesia is too much, what you're describing is less than normal. Damn it I'm sure I've read something about this. That's going to annoy me "I believe you're thinking of Aphantasia. | |||
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"I create mental images of people and places I read in books. But without any kind of stimulus (such as descriptive words), I simply cannot sit and visualise a particular place or face or describe what compassion looks or sounds like. It's like asking me to speak in a language I don't understand. " I can't really help on the places or faces thing but in high school we did a project on drawing taste and I mostly just did it based on the first things that came to mind when considering what would represent it rather than actually seeing any specific colours or shapes when I tasted things. For example, sour things were spikey but sweet things were more smooth, round and undulating. So it was more drawing things that when I looked at them felt like a representation of the experience rather than seeing anything in my mind during the experience. The beauty of it is you can't get it wrong. | |||
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"I have heard that this is a thing. I gather it's pretty unusual though? The word that comes to mind is synesthesia, but it's the wrong word, it's sort of the opposite of that. Synesthesia is too much, what you're describing is less than normal. Damn it I'm sure I've read something about this. That's going to annoy me
Aphantasia I think?"Yep. I'm in that camp. I'll start a guided meditation and starting to chill then get hit with "visualise a beach" or whatnot and I'm all "ffs ya cunt i was comfy" and have to find a different meditation to follow. Same when it comes to decorating etc, it's hit n hope with educated guesses rather than imagine what it'll look like when it's complete. | |||
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"Mine originated from pure childhood escapism Trauma,Anxiety and Fear fuelled it Visualisation is essentially the core of my meditation, yoga, grounding techniques, and when it all becomes too much I can happily be still in one place and let my mind run away. This however didn't help with my sciatica, because of the unpredictable shooting pains. The timings are not long enough for me to sink into a focus state of being. So although I can see what the pain clinic are getting at, Visualisation can work wonders on chronic pain that happens in certain circumstances and you can predict it, but nerve pain is really tricky to predict an attack. xxx" My nerve pain is constant, it just varies in intensity and "type". Sometimes it's more like my leg is burning, other times it's more sharp/stabbing pains. Sometimes more than one. I'm increasingly getting spasms in the muscles which feel like I've been shot, and they won't release for ages sometimes. They hurt. | |||
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